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California Wants to Tax Gun Sales to Pay Therapists to Watch for School Shooters

The therapists would be mandatory in middle and high schools.

Katarzyna Bialasiewicz/Dreamstime.comKatarzyna Bialasiewicz/Dreamstime.comCalifornia Assemblyman Jim Cooper (D–Elk Grove) has introduced a bill that would impose a new excise tax of an unspecific amount on the sales of guns and ammunition, with the proceeds being deposited in a new School Gun Violence Prevention Fund. The money would pay for middle and junior high schools to hire counselors whose primary job is to stop would-be shooters before they strike. The tax would also fund grants to California's high schools to pay for additional on-campus police officers.

Public middle and junior high schools would be required to hire the counselors.

"A lot of these kids have trouble, especially in the middle school and high school years, and we really want to target them," Cooper tells a Sacramento-area NBC affiliate. "We are not banning guns or ammunition, but we would tax that. And to me that's a small price to pay."

Given that his bill does not specify how high the new tax will be, it's a little premature to call it a small price. It's also unclear what exactly the taxpayers would be buying.

Nickolas Cruz, the perpetrator of the Parkland shooting, received counselling services from a school therapist. In 2014 he reported to a counselor that he'd been having violent dreams about killing people. Health professionals evaluated him again in 2015 after he posted Snapchat videos in which he cut himself and announced his intention to buy a gun. Neither examination was enough to prevent the terrible shooting.

And ineffectiveness isn't the only risk here. The counselors and police officers funded by the grants may prove overly aggressive in singling out students with potentially violent tendencies. School officials have a natural tendency after a crime like this to see potential threats or infractions everywhere, to the detriment of students' civil liberties.

Gun owners have reacted negatively to Cooper's proposed legislation, calling it unjust that they should have to bear the entire burden of funding new school safety measures.

Given the practical difficulties in Cooper's bill and its lack of detail regarding tax rates, the assemblyman's proposal looks more like political theatre than a real attempt to improve school safety. California politicians are not above this, particularly when it comes to guns. State treasurer (and gubernatorial candidate) John Chiang has suggested divesting the state's pension fund from sporting goods store that sell firearms. Los Angeles City Councilman Mitch O'Farrell sponsored a resolution asking city staff to look into boycotting companies that do business with the NRA.

This anti-gun grandstanding may be good politics in much of California, but it is remarkably bad policy.

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  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Well, that's creative.

  • Eidde||

    Why not a tax on School Resource Officers?

  • BambiB||

    Keee-rist! Why not tax the source of the problem? Tax parents $12,000 per child and the rest of us can stop being taxed to edu-ma-cate their little urchins. Kids shooting up schools a problem? Raise the tax on kids by $1000. That should buy all the police and fuzzy science the could ever want.

  • Eidde||

    A crystal ball in every school!

  • Just Say'n||

    "has introduced a bill that would impose a new excise tax of an unspecific amount on the sales of guns and ammunition, with the proceeds being deposited in a new School Gun Violence Prevention Fund."

    How is this not an unnecessary burden imposed to restrict people from exercising their constitutional rights?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Guns

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    How is this not an unnecessary burden imposed to restrict people from exercising their constitutional rights?

    It's a feature, not a bug.

  • EscherEnigma||

    Because it's a partisan enough issue that the truth of the matter is muddled.

    Take Voter ID. Proponents have argued that the fees and work involved in getting IDs (ranging from $20 to countless lost hours navigating bureaucracy) aren't a sufficiently large to count as a poll tax. Opponents have argued that the burden is too large. Whatever the underlying principles are have been largely muddled by partisanship.

    So you can go to poll taxes and argue that the tax is too much of a burden. But you'll also be knocking out all taxes on guns and ammo, so the far-reaching effects might give a court pause before declaring a specific good is and always will be tax-free.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    A special newspaper vending machine tax was shot down years ago precisely because it singled out the press (its intent was to slow down the proliferation of newspaper machines on street corners).

    But guns, evil guns, .....

  • Paloma||

    Do groups like School Gun Violence Prevention Fund ever have to show that they actually prevent gun violence in schools? Otherwise it might be cheaper to hire a curandero or something.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I remember when ideas like these were considered crazy longshots.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Really?

    What's crazy about psychologists screening and rescreening your children for cognitive deviancy?

    You got somethin' to hide?

  • Tionico||

    yeah... the rest of the money they've not yet managed to steal from me.

    Its not only an unlawful tax (SCOTUS have declared that ANY amount for a poll tax is too much) its a makework project for the shrinks who will purportedly DO the screening.

    Funny thing. sort of: that creep who shot up the high school in Florida had been invountarily committed to a mental institution for more than 72 hours..... then released as OK. If a whole gaggle of shrinks had him a captive for more than three days and he fooled THEM, how they gonna know whether YOUR kid won't be the next shootemup guy?

    Simple// they won't.
    NOW.. who was mandated by law to REPORT that kid's stay in the joint to NICS... that one thing right there disqualifies him from possession of any firearms. WHO dropped THAT ball? Find HIM nd charge HIM with accessory to murder. ... his failure to report enabled the perp to buy his guns when he SHOULD have been listed as prohibited.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Just take a gander at the Yahoo headlines today, and tell me what f'n world we are living in.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I liked how Douglass Murray said that if you'd have told someone in the 90s that Europe would be debating and passing blasphemy laws, you'd have been laughed out of the room.

  • SQRLSY One||

    There should be individual-freedom-therapists who are empowered to scrutinize the teaching of socialism! Taxes imposed on the strident teaching of socialism, and the funds should be held to fund the counter-revolutions against the next Venezuela-type regime!

  • Ken Shultz||

    Now it's 1984
    Knock, knock on your front door
    It's the suede-denim secret police
    They've come for your un-cool neice

    California, uber alles!

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Jello Biafra was certainly prophetic

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...the assemblyman's proposal looks more like political theatre than a real attempt to improve school safety.

    And he's okay with that. Theater is so much easier than math.

  • Eidde||

    It doesn't look easy when Luciano Pavarotti does it.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's important to fund our schools, shitlord.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    There's no way this could go wrong, especially when combined with the gun restraining orders and the push to take guns away from "mentally ill" people. It's almost like they're actively discouraging people from getting help.

  • ||

    OK, so the plan is, we tax all the gun owners' guns and they give them up or move away and take the guns with them. Then we leave the homicidal maniacs that we've identified, but who haven't committed any crimes, in school and without counseling.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    "...and we really want to target them," Cooper tells a Sacramento-area NBC affiliate.

    Phrasing!

  • My Dog Bites Better Than Yours||

    "We are not banning guns or ammunition, but we would tax that. And to me that's a small price to pay.

    The snark just writes itself ...

  • Naaman Brown||

    SCOTUS observed 150 years ago, in regard to state attempts to shut down the national bank, that the power to tax includes the power to destroy that which you want to prohibit but cannot do so constitutionally.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Is this the plot to a quirky police procedural drama? [i]CSI: Pre-emptive Strike[/i]?

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    How do I make the words slanty?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Greater than/less than around your i and /i. Not square brackets.

  • EscherEnigma||

    Use angle brackets (< and >), not square brackets ([ and ]).

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    Use the < > around the i and /i rather than [ ]

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    Like this: "Usethe < > around the i and /i rather than [ ]"

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    IOW, use the Frenchy quotes, but only one of each.

  • ||

    I was gonna recommend a small notebook or a wooden shim under one side of his monitor.

  • Don't look at me.||

    That's how I do it.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    I just took a wheel off my chair.

  • Naaman Brown||

    I know some comment systems use angle brackets, some use [i]square brackets[/i].

    Here's single single quotes 'is this ital?' and double single quotes ''gets ital in the WP edit box''.

  • Naaman Brown||

    I guess Reason's comment system uses html tags like Disqus and some others.

    `testing'

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    You guys are the

    I have rigged up a small neck pillow under the left side of the monitor that I can inflate via a footpump for ultimate

    Whoa this is too much

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Is the idea of two separate [red/blue] countries really all that far fetched? Reality check here.

  • LarryA||

    Actually, California is two separate [red/blue] states. Unfortunately for the reds, the coastal cities are full of blues.

  • Ecoli||

    True.

    I live in Cali and I have a hard time accepting that the progs outnumber the conservatives.

    I plan to move away when I retire in a couple of years; Cali is beyond salvation.

  • EscherEnigma||

    It really is.

    Using presidential elections as proxies, what you find is that while most states swing positively one way or another, the losing party still gets a fair chunk of votes. Receiving less then a third is pretty rare, even in wildly partisan states.

    When you look at the county level you start to get a better picture (rural red, urban blue), but even then, there's a lot of blue voters in red counties and red voters in blue counties. We're self-segregated enough to solidly lean one way or another, but even if we split into "red and blue countries" you'd just be creating a permanent minority in them, not getting rid of them. And the local governments would still be split.

    To put it simply, we have broadly self-segregated. But in order to have two countries that were each more homogenous in viewpoints, we would have to move probably a third of the country around.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    No. The Civil War forced us into a single country governed from Washington DC, but did not in fact make us a single country with a common culture or political sensibility. We were two countries at our founding and remain so today.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Technically, we were 13 countries at our founding.

  • colorblindkid||

    Basically every teacher, administrator, student, counselor, and police officer at Parkland knew this kid was a threat who wanted to shoot up the school. What happens when one of these counselors identifies a kid they think is going to shoot up the school? Are they going to arrest him or some other unconstitutional bullshit?

  • colorblindkid||

    As usual, none of these "common sense" solutions would have actually prevented the incidents they are a reaction to.

  • Tionico||

    and Parkland is proof positive of that, because of all the "common sense gun control laws" already on the books, that did NOT prevent this prohibited person from nearly a dozen guns and using one of them to kill.

    The punk ad THREE felony actions in his history, but they were winked at and nodded over because the school district chief was salivating over the prospect of qualifying for a $54Mn prize for reducing the ARREST RATE in that county, and to have charged the kid with any of those three felonies would have spoiled their chances of the gravy train coming to their town. SO they let him go.... when ALL THREE of those should have been charged him, each one disqualifying him from possession of arms.

    I'll bet a big pile at long odds the money it has cost the public to deal with the aftermath of this shootemup is several multiples of the $54Mn prize they did get..... resulting in an HUGE net loss.

  • Ride 'Em||

    Are Juvenile arrest records reported to NICS? Aren't juvenile records sealed?

  • Naaman Brown||

    A local gun dealer had been a teenage clerk in a hotel that was robbed. As common practice at that time, hotel robberies were presumed inside jobs and all employees listed as suspects until cleared by investigation. Decades later the suspect list was among data dumped into the background check system in answer to a call to expand the database. The dealer was contacted by ATF and told he had lied about not having a criminal record on his application for his federal firearms license. Luckily, the state bureau of investigation guy who handled that robbery was then the city chief of police. Chief Keesling gave a deposition that the dealer had been cleared by investigation even though listed as a suspect.

    This was not even a juvenile arrest record. It was a record he had been listed as a juvenile suspect.
    The fact he was cleared was not part of the records kept over the decades.

    There is a move to add questionable data to the NICS and its not just ancient incomplete records. The presumption that a social security recipient who has a fiduciary handling their financial affairs should be treated the same as if they had been adjudicated mentally incompetent and a danger to self or others is an example.

    There have been millions of NICS background check denials, but few prosecutions of "prohibited persons" for attempting to buy guns. ATF has admitted to government reviewers that the system has too many false positives to justify prosecuting the majority of gun sales denials.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Two very young children, one with a Hello Kitty bubble shooter and the other with a masticated pop tart, seemed to get more of a reaction than Cruz did at any time prior to the actual shooting. I trust this scheme will target those who need it least and miss any big fish that happen to conspicuously swim by.

  • Eidde||

    Yeah, I don't see how Cruz could have been any more obvious if he'd hired a skywriter to say "I'M A WOULD-BE KILLER."

  • ||

    Actually, Cruz serves as a prototypical example of precisely how this would fail. He would get all the counseling and psychological help he needed right up until the point he graduated. Then when life gets exponentially more demanding and difficult, he would be 'granted his right' to legally purchase a gun himself (or within a few short years depending on the state of affairs).

    Might as well keep a bomb in the school and have someone to check, every day, that the fuse isn't lit, then get the kid a lighter to play with as a graduation present.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Then again, when the Cruzes of the world get out of school, they leave a world where bullying is is permitted, maybe even tacitly approved of, and enter a world where, if somebody assaults you, it gets treated as the crime it actually is.

    And where, if you're in the company of people who really, really get on your nerves, you can change jobs or move, instead of being stuck in enforced proximity with them for years.

    If all of life were anything like K-12, it would be a nightmarish world indeed.

    So, I'm guessing a lot of those bombs end up being disassembled after school.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    That's what happens when you try to look at everything through a microscope so you don't miss the tiniest clue, you end up missing the big ones.

  • Naaman Brown||

    And locally, we have had school resource officers in the county high schools since 1997.
    SRO Caroline Gudger confronted an armed man threatening the principal.
    2013 A pair of students who confessed they were plotting to outdo Columbine were turned in by an alert parent and mental health official.
    This year man threatening to go back and and shoot up his local high school was reported and arrested.
    One of our high school walk-out protesters told the newspaper his concern was that while students had swipe cards for the doors, some doors were being left unlocked for convenience of contractors.

    Gun control advocates though point out nationally that:
    _ the 1989 Stockton shooter waited til the students were on the playground, so that means that we should not try to prevent a non-student from sneaking in a side door with a duffle bag of god-knows-what; that
    _ one school shooter walked in the front door of a school and started by shooting the SRO, so SROs are always useless.
    I forget what the objection was to reporting people who made credible threats. Oh, turning schools into to safe havens and fortesses is turning them into prisons, or something.

    What we think has worked locally needs to be stopped, and replaced with a national paperwork ban on Armalite Model 15. From what I know about underground traffick in arms, AWB II would not make schools safe.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    Given that his bill does not specify how high the new tax will be, it's a little premature to call it a small price.

    Given that the counselors and whatnot they'll be hiring will be California government workers, the tax will have to be pretty damn high.

  • BYODB||

    So, we're saying that California wants to make the rapists mandatory?


    /Sean Connery

  • Don't look at me.||

    You mean getting raped isn't mandatory? I was tricked!

  • Nardz||

    Thus, all will finally learn that indeed the penis mightier!

  • Mike Laursen||

    This one isn't an abstract matter to me.

    I got called into the principal's office, when my son was in fourth grade, to be told he must see a counselor because of a remark he made about blowing up his school. Never mind that he had no intention or means of actually doing it, and didn't really mean it. We ended up transferring him to a better school in our district and he is happy there.

  • Longtobefree||

    As long as Jim Cooper and the counselors are held jointly liable for any and all harm to children that may result from missing any actual school shooter uppers. Because after all, it is only California, where the remaining parts of the US constitution don't apply anyway.

  • ||

    missing any actual school shooter uppers

    Show me in the Constitution where it says they're liable for missing the actual school shooter uppers and I'll ignore it and suggest that they be held liable for the stabby kids, the suicidal kids, and the rape-y ones as well. Hell, any crime at school, about school, or among school attendees is pretty squarely in their socialization wheelhouse, so why not? I mean, the rape culture on college campuses can only be because of the rape culturing being fomented by teachers and administrators in HS.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    If you create a government program to tax guns and send that money to fund psychics, then the government is saying that they can find shooters before there is violence because unicorns and pixies.

    Lefties have brain damage. This last year just caused them to be so irate that their mental illness spills into nearly everything they say and do.

  • Zeb||

    Here's a crazy question. Is there any actual evidence that interventions like this will actually reduce violence in schools generally or shootings in schools specifically? Seems like there is a lot of putting the cart before the horse going on here.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Ineffectiveness is the only possible outcome.

  • ||

    Check out Mister Bitter Clinger over here.

  • Zeb||

    Bitterly clinging to the notion that actual evidence should be provided, rather that just assuming that interventions will work according to the stated intentions.

  • DajjaI||

    Yikes. These 'therapists' created the problem in the first place. The solution is for the kids to round up all the 'autistic' and homeschool kids in their communities and take them to school with them. That would solve most of the problem and the rest can be solved by not naming your kid 'Stormy' or 'Darwin'.

  • Zeb||

    Did someone call you "autistic" or something? You seem weirdly obsessed with something no one is really talking about much.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Violence in schools is caused by home schooled kids not being in the schools, and would go away if they were forced into them?

  • Naaman Brown||

    Home schooling is the result of mega schools being toxic environments where kids gravitate into social cliques where bullying is fashionable.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "California Wants to Tax Gun Sales to Pay Therapists to Watch for School Shooters"

    Lefties call for more Lefties to be put on indoctrination duty in schools

  • buybuydandavis||

    The greatest contributor to the Parkland Massacre was government *policy* in Broward County, pushed by the Obama administration, titled "Collaborative Agreement on School Discipline", in which the Schools, Courts, and Police agreed not to uphold the law on student offenders

    Coulter in THE SCHOOL-TO-MASS-MURDER PIPELINE:
    School and law enforcement officials knew Cruz was a ticking time bomb. They did nothing because of a deliberate, willful, bragged-about policy to end the "school-to-prison pipeline."
    In a stroke of genius, they realized that the only problem criminals have is that people keep lists of their criminal activities...
    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2018-02-28.html

    Coulter:
    This primitive, stone-age thinking was made official Broward County policy in a Nov. 5, 2013, agreement titled "Collaborative Agreement on School Discipline."

    The first "whereas" clause of the agreement states that "the use of arrests and referrals to the criminal justice system may decrease a student's chance of graduation, entering higher education, joining the military and getting a job."

    COLLABORATIVE AGREEMENT ON SCHOOL DISCIPLINE
    THIS AGREEMENT
    is made and entered into as of this 5 day of November, 2013, by and between
    THE SCHOOL BOARD OF BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA
    https://goo.gl/Ewbczc

    Follow up article
    Coulter in RACIAL QUOTAS KILL KIDS:
    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2018-03-07.html

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I adore Annie. She is a vicious bitch to leftist idiots who deserve it. She also does her homework. She is totally right about this. Basically, Holder might as well have shot those kids himself.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Is anyone going to ask the question: At what point of taxation does it infringe on the right to keep and bear arms? At some super high taxation, especially designed to prevent gun sales, absolutely keeps people from buying guns.

    Imagine if the media was taxed per item so that nobody could afford news.
    If Freedom of association was taxed so that people meeting with one another was prohibitively expensive.
    If religious organizations were taxed, so people could not afford to belong.

    Lefties hate guns, because it makes it harder to control people, so its different.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Some *point* super high...

  • Libertymike||

    Any tax on the purchase and / or sale of firearms impermissibly infringes upon the right to keep and bear arms.

    LC, you have got to reorient the way you regard the constitution.

    First, the constitution must not be at odds with or otherwise contradict the Declaration of Independence. There are lots of dopehats who will tell you that the latter is not the law, but the short answer to that is that they are dopehats.

    Second, if the particular tax is not specifically authorized, then it is unconstitutional. There are, of course, lots of dopehats who will tell you that such an interpretation would paralyze the state and would not deprive it of its police powers. In this case, the dopehats would be right, but TFB.

    Third, given that the 2A does not admit of any exceptions, including a reservation of power for the state to impose taxes on the purchase and / or sale of firearms, one must be a dopehat to argue that the state, nevertheless, somehow has the power to tax the same.

    Dopehats are dopey!

  • Tionico||

    SCOTUS have declared that ANY ount of a poll tax as a prequalifier to exercise one's right to vote (a right not specifically named in the Constitution, by the bye) is an unconstitutional infringement upon that right.

    Replace "right to vote' with "right to arms" and you have your answer.

    This has been attempted again recently, and the courts have found in the same way.

  • MaleMatters||

    A way to dramatically curb violence by teen males and young men is described in detail in Warren Farrell's book "The Boy Crisis." At Amazon, see sample pages.

    Excerpts:

    "Dad deprivation stems...secondarily from devaluing what a father contributes when he IS involved.

    "When we hear that boys without dads do badly in so many ways, we wonder whether the cause is dad deprivation, or overlapping factors such as the greater poverty encountered by single moms in less-well-funded school districts. Fortunately, two decades ago, two Harvard researchers sought to answer that question by reviewing four of the most methodologically well-designed national studies. They found that all four revealed the same thing: even when race, education, income, and other socioeconomic factors are equal, living without dad doubled a child's chance of dropping out of high school.

    "Among preschool children admitted as psychiatric patients in two New Orleans hospitals, 80 percent came from homes without fathers. Similar percentages emerge among dad-deprived children in Canada, South Africa, and Finland, at ages from preschool through high school.

    "Before puberty, the suicide rates among males and females are about equal. However, between ten and fourteen, boys commit suicide at almost twice the rate of girls. Between fifteen and nineteen, boys commit suicide at four times the rate of girls; and between twenty and twenty-four, the rate of male suicide is between five and six times that of females."

  • EscherEnigma||

    That's a problem statement, not a solution.

    Unless you're saying that there should be "dad duty" like jury duty or something? "Sorry man, I got dad duty. I gotta parent this rando's kid for the next eighteen years. Yeah, we can go out for drinks then."

    Kinda makes you think all those right-wing "family" politicos should have been incentivizing adoption by gay men rather then trying to stop it.

  • Tionico||

    You signed up for Dad Duty when you lay on her and contributed your sperm to the making of that child. And if you don't stand up, BE A MAN and fulfil your obilgation and ACT like a Dad and BE involved in the life and maturation of that child, YOU are the deadbeat and should be held liable for his violent actions later. Or at least taxed hugely for your contribution and subsequent shirking of your responsibility so assumed. And the low rates of "child support" payments don't come anywhere near fulfilling your REAL obligation to fulfil your responsibility.

    Just like your hunting rifle.... when that thing goes off, YOU are responsible for what comes out of it. Man up. Or sip up.

  • Tionico||

    uh, that is, ZIP up, as in, yer britches.

  • Longtobefree||

    Excerpts read like a sexist anti-man rant.

  • Ecoli||

    Maybe the media should have to pay a tax whenever they glamorize a crazy shooter by saying his name, printing his name, showing his picture, running a background bio "portrait of a killer", etc. If CNN gets an audience of a million viewers, they pay a million dimes for every utterance of the shooter's name, a million dimes when they show his picture, etc. It's a small price to pay.

    You know, a tax on speech.

  • EscherEnigma||

    Instead of "pay a tax", make it a privacy rights thing. Each person is the sole owner of their name and likeness, and unauthorized uses or reproductions are prohibited. To accommodate fair use (as news articles would) you can have a provision where you can pay a scaling fee (to be remitted to the person or their estate) for every unauthorized use. The fee scales with national use, so if everyone is trying to run articles on the same person, it gets prohibitively more expensive. Probably have some time-decay built in so that if someone hasn't been in the news for a decade it's not as expensive to print about them as it was during the height of their 15 minutes.

    To prevent criminals from financially gaining from making the news, the remittances for accused would be held pending the conclusion of their trial. If convicted, it is divided (as fairly as possible) among their victims. If they're aquittted, they get to collect. Accused and convicted criminals cannot consent to waive these remittances.

    I imagine most folks would gleefully agree to be in the news, so most news would be unaffected. News about criminals, however, would probably be much more pointed instead of used for click-bait...

    ... I think I'll have to remember this one for my next Cyberpunk game.

  • BYODB||


    Each person is the sole owner of their name and likeness, and unauthorized uses or reproductions are prohibited.

    Already a thing, mate, but it assumes the individual in question is a private citizen that isn't otherwise newsworthy. It's one reason why media organizations trip and fall over themselves to try and make sure they have signed releases by anyone that shows up on their show / channel. It's also why in movies you'll often see a disclaimer that any likeness to people alive or dead is purely coincidental. Those aren't accidents, it's for liability.

    When someone becomes newsworthy, say by shooting a whole shit ton of people in front of witnesses, they really don't have any right to privacy anymore in terms of the crime in question, and anything people dig up is usually fair game.

    Unless, of course, you want to criminalize and censor any media reporting of news on topics of intense interest to the majority of citizens. I guess you could do that, too.

  • EscherEnigma||

    Already a thing, mate


    Not for non-fiction writing (including news reporting) we don't. Do anything interesting enough that someone will want to use your name, and you've de facto done something interesting enough to be "news worthy".

    That said, yeah, the entire thing was a response to

    Maybe the media should have to pay a tax whenever they glamorize a crazy shooter by saying his name, printing his name, showing his picture, running a background bio "portrait of a killer", etc


    So yeah, the entire idea was trying to find a way to reduce obsessive media reporting of criminals. My alternate suggestion was a way to have it more reactive to events (like "surge pricing" I suppose) rather then a flat rate.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Too Galambosian for my tastes. And, of course, contrary to the 1st amendment.

  • Longtobefree||

    What does the constitution have to do with this?
    It's California.
    No second amendment, first amendment restricted to certain 'zones' and types of speech (I can't even go into the religion parts), Fourth amendment turned into asset forfeiture, etc etc

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to drive all the progs out of the country?

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    "This anti-gun grandstanding may be good politics in much of California, but it is remarkably bad policy"

    In other words, the chances of passing in the California legislature are inordinately high

  • Eeyore||

    A teacher for every classroom. An administrator for every student.

  • Tionico||

    how's about a training course for every teacher/janirot/administrator, and a Mother May I Card to make it legal for that teacher to carry their own sidearm in school? Concealed, of course, so none of the preshus snowflakes will wet their BVD"s when they find out teacher's packin heat.

    Ohio have done just that.. and in the years since this programme has been implemented (FASTER saves lives.. look it up) there has not been ONE incident involving any would be shooter in Ohio's public schools.

    The best part is that IT WORKS. The next best part is.. IT COSTS THE TAXPAYERS NOTHING.

  • Cloudbuster||

    Thank God I graduated from high school in '82. I did so much stuff that would have gotten me jailed, expelled or institutionalized today and got off with absolutely no punishment or minor slaps on the wrist (detention).

  • Brett Bellmore||

    No kidding. Back in the 70's I got extra credit for sharing my thermite recipe with the high school chemistry teacher. Today I'd have gotten jail time, probably.

    But the rot was already starting back then. Teachers who were absolutely convinced that "Bullies just want a fight. Refuse to fight back, and they'll get bored and leave you alone." Self defense was vigorously punished. Known bullies were coddled.

    Obedient little nerd that I was, I obeyed them until I was ready to burn the school down myself. Then finally broke down and beat the crap out of the bully instead, and THEN my bullying problem went away. Thank goodness the fight took place off school grounds, or I'd probably have been referred to juvenile care.

  • Ron||

    that is the problem with school nothing is resolved. kid who are fighting are taken to a counselor and the counselor thinks things have been resolved when nothing was accomplished thus leaving some kids feeling they only have one choice left the ultimate choice. In the old days the fighting kids would have been given gloves and let loose and issues were resolved.

  • T. Busse||

    It won't pass. It will just go to the suspense file. The reporters will have a flurry of outrage, and the media-baiting bill will give its sponsor a flicker in the news media.

    I wish Reason - and all our local journalism outlets really - would properly staff the shenanigans in Sacramento and try to inform the public of what is going on in the state. Without journalists in the room to report out on the School Board and the Water district and everything else, it's just turned into uninformed outrage cronyism run amok, and it doesn't help when local news focuses on the latest empty Trumptweet rather than the long-term impact of things like the Prop 172 Public Safety Augmentation Fund, the 1991 health services realignment, the 2004 Mental health Services act, the 2010 dissolution of Redevelopment, the 2011 Local Control Funding Formula, or other similar HUGE California policy choices that impact everyone's daily life far more than these clickbaity social issues that will accomplish nothing.

    And of course, my commenting here is a cry in the wilderness. It's an empty forum that draws you in as some sort of fake multimedia immersive engagement, but anything I say will be pixels in a void - ineffectual, and will change nothing.

  • cravinbob||

    The schools still haven't solved the "bully" problem (hint: stop calling them "bully" and call them "criminals").
    One thing that is never addressed is low grades from average students which usually indicates a problem at home. If they would show an interest in the children they may not come back with firearms after graduation.
    Florida is looking to abolish teachers unions and one teacher says she has no idea why. Well Ms Dummy, read the newsletters or ask someone, after all you claim to be a teacher!

  • texexpatriate||

    I've been a professional psychotherapist most of my life. It would be far better to invest that money to arm guards and teachers in the schools, and to make it known to the general public that schools are not gun free zones. Even better, give firearms training (with BB-guns, then .22 rifles) in the schools. But Californians? They're not going to do anything rational on such a matter.

  • JohnCrocker||

    California lawmakers will continue to pass mindless unnecessarily unlawful laws until most good citizens of the state have simply given up fighting for liberty or just end up moving out altogether.

    https://ebay.to/2Fu4rMf

  • prediksi hk||

    i like california a lot

  • prediksi hk||

    i like california a lot

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