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California Wants to Ban All Gas-Powered Cars

Seriously.

Gov. Jerry Brown and Al GoreAdMedia / Splash News/NewscomCalifornia Gov. Jerry Brown is reportedly considering a ban on all gas-powered cars.

No, seriously.

Mary Nichols, head of California's Air Resources Board, told Bloomberg News this week that Brown has been pestering her about getting a gas-car ban on the books.

"I've gotten messages from the governor asking, 'Why haven't we done something already?'" she said, adding that Brown is particularly worried that his planet-saving efforts might be outshined by those of other countries.

The United Kingdom and France have both said they will ban the sale of gas and diesel by 2040. Norway's transportation plan calls for all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2025. India wants to make the switch to electric by 2030.

But it's the People's Republic of China, currently drafting its own ill-defined ban on the production and sale of fossil-fuel-powered vehicles, that is giving Brown the most grief.

Says Nichols, "The governor has certainly indicated an interest in why China can do this and not California."

Apart from envying the autocratic powers of a communist dictatorship, Brown has not said what a ban on gas and diesel vehicles might look like. Nichols herself offers scant detail, other than saying that a complete ban on the sale of new combustion-powered vehicles could arrive as early as 2030 and that all combustion would have to be phased out by as early as 2040.

That's...optimistic. California currently has a goal of getting 1.5 million zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) on the road by 2025, and the prospects of reaching even this far more modest goal are in question.

Despite generous subsidies, purchases of ZEVs still hover below 3 percent of new vehicles sales. Only 13,804 were sold in California in the first quarter of 2017, out of 506,745 in total new vehicle sales.

Only 300,000 "clean vehicles," of which roughly half are partially gas-powered hybrids, have been sold in California. Purely electric vehicles are about .4 percent of the nearly 35 million registered vehicles on the state's roads.

To achieve Brown's goals, he will have to compel 99.6 percent of California drivers to trade in their gas guzzlers for electric vehicles that they currently find too expensive or too impractical. And that doesn't even touch on the issue of providing enough charging stations for these vehicles, or of generating enough electricity to power those stations.

Nor does it cover the issue of affordability. Right now, electric cars are the domain of the well-to-do. A 2016 Berkeley study found that 83 percent of those making use of California's electric vehicle subsidy program made over $100,000.

Getting the rest of the state into these cars would require massive subsidies. Even then, many might end up going without personal transportation.

How any of these practical considerations might be addressed is unknown. Right now, the ban is still just talk. But it's talk that Brown and his subordinates are taking seriously.

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  • Citizen X - #6||

    Even then, many might end up going without personal transportation.

    Which is certainly at least part of the goal.

  • Jerryskids||

    I'd say it's the sum total of the goal. Leftists hate humanity, consider humanity a cancer upon the Earth, and devoutly wish for the extinction of the human race.

  • Rat on a train||

    You first, of course.

  • SIV||

    They should ban surfing, those rice-filled burritos and blonde hair as well.

  • Zeb||

    Yeah, fuck rice in burritos. Whose idea was that anyway?

  • sarcasmic||

    Seriously? I like rice in burritos. Beans, rice, meat, veggies, cheese, salsa, guac, sour cream... put a little bit of everything in there. Yum.

  • Zeb||

    I think that the rice unnecessarily dilutes the more flavorful ingredients.

  • D.D. Driver||

    You don't wrap up a carbohydrate in another carbohydrate. Would you eat a rice sandwich?

  • My Dog Bites Better Than Yours||

    I blame Chipotle.

  • SIV||

    The abomination known as the "California burrito" long predates Chipotle. They are largely responsible for its re-popularization in "Real America".

  • Sevo||

    Given even the claimed ranges, an electric pretty much has to be a second car. Plus, you need a garage; parking on the street would mean you have to find and occupy one of the 'free' charging stations for 8 hours or so; frowned upon by 'sharing' free-loaders. So it's no surprise 'the wealthy' (who can afford two cars and a garage) own them.
    Given moonbeam's hair-shirt Jesuit views, it's also no surprise that he prefers people to suffer for 'their sins', but it is surprising that someone advising him (supposing he's open to same; he's pretty much convinced that he's the smartest guy in any room) hasn't suggested pressing for delivery vehicles to be EVs. Short ranges, parked all night in one location, etc.
    (prolly shouldn't be giving them ideas)

  • Zeb||

    Yeah, I don't really see battery powered cars ever fully replacing combustion engines.

  • KDN||

    I think there will eventually be some kind of quick-swap system which will be put in place, especially if ICE bans in large markets actually come to fruition.

  • DaveSs||

    I think a better, or at least easier short term solution would actually be small trailers you could rent for long trips that has a gas/diesel/propane powered generator.

    A similar method could potentially be used for travel trailers towed by electric trucks. Most already have a generator on board anyway (though it would need to be upsized)

  • KDN||

    Towing a generator? I don't get to be smug about that.

  • BYODB||

    If you could find a way to make said generator super light without exploding because it's fuel is massively volatile, perhaps, but that material and that fuel don't exist yet to my knowledge.

  • KDN||

    I think he's talking about converting your Leaf into a Volt with a detachable ICE. Seems feasible at first glance.

  • DaveSs||

    Yes, towing a trailer that makes a Leaf like a Volt.

    I suspect diesel would probably be the preferred fuel because of flammability.

    I'm not sure that weight is really a difficult thing to overcome.
    The Volt uses a 1.4L gas engine and 55kw motor/generator, and it drags that engine, fuel, and the gear box around all time time even when it doesn't need it.
    It also doesn't technically operate in the manner I'm suggesting since the ICE in the volt can power the wheels directly when needed.


    Another alternative method that could be like a quick change of the internal battery packs is a towable battery pack. You lose efficiency of course since its added weight, but it would be about as fast as filling up with gasoline.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Diesel is going to be problematic to meet NOX emission standards. The more efficient diesel burn you get, the higher NOX content in the exhaust.

  • BYODB||


    The United Kingdom and France have both said they will ban the sale of gas and diesel by 2040. Norway's transportation plan calls for all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2025. India wants to make the switch to electric by 2030.


    So, coal powered cars then? Probably easy to achieve since both their nations are smaller than some U.S. States. That tends to make electrical power easier to transmit.


    That said, I wonder why it's a good thing to trade oil mining for lithium mining. Oh well! Move along, people, move along. No questions allowed!

  • BYODB||


    Says Nichols, "The governor has certainly indicated an interest in why China can do this and not California."

    Oh, and this is an easy answer. It's because China isn't going to do it, and even if they do they're still going to pollute a fuck ton with their industry and power generation to support their central planning agenda. Oops!

  • colorblindkid||

    Not necessarily, but not because they're building solar and wind, but because they don't listen to the retarded environmentalists who oppose nuclear energy and are actually building plants. The anti-nuclear environmentalist Luddites helped get us to this point with their decades long science-free fearmongering campaign.

  • BYODB||


    To achieve Brown's goals, he will have to compel 99.6 percent of California drivers to trade in their gas guzzlers for electric vehicles that they currently find too expensive or too impractical. And that doesn't even touch on the issue of providing enough charging stations for these vehicles, or of generating enough electricity to power those stations.

    And you thought California's 'brown outs' were bad before without 35 million vehicles being a part of the central power grid!

    The idea that California could go full electric in ten years is so wildly optimistic and obviously bullshit that it's beyond laughable. Go home Moonbeam, you're drunk.

  • ||

    And you thought California's 'brown outs' were bad before without 35 million vehicles being a part of the central power grid!

    ^ this was exactly my first thought, as well.

  • BYODB||

    I'll say one thing for Moonbeam, he is consistent in pushing for things that sound good at first blush if you have absolutely no knowledge of how things actually work.

    I'm convinced the government of California is run by the same attitudes held by Marie Antoinette. It's just a complete disconnect from reality.

  • Ama-Gi Anarchist||

    Well, he's unlikely to meet the same fate as Marie did when the masses of France were starving and rioting because of the Little Ice Age. Though one wonders (if Moonbeam is still in office) when the Sun takes a giant shit on us and food prices which are already in shock now go through the roof so that even average Americans are affected what the outcome might be.....

  • Mickey Rat||

    Come on, all government has to do is pass a law and it will be done. The Engineers will figure it out.
    Next they must pasded a lse mandati g a perpetual motion machine.

  • samdg671||

    They already have the highest rate of poverty adjusting for cost of living. I guess they are going for making that impossible to match.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    We give the homeless stationary bikes and rice burritos to power the electric grid for the wealthy with electric cars. Duh.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "The governor has certainly indicated an interest in why China can do this and not California."

    China can't do it.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    California Wants to Ban All Gas-Powered Cars Go Full Retard
  • Calidissident||

    I really think even my state isn't quite retarded enough to do this, at least right now. I really hope it doesn't prove me to be overly optimistic.

  • BYODB||

    They literally can't do it. Consider the simple fact that all interstate commerce would be rendered illegal overnight.

  • Calidissident||

    That's a good point, the feds could (and probably would assuming the GOP is still in power) pass a law making it illegal for California to ban out-of-state gas-powered vehicles.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Commiefornia cannot ban out of state vehicles.

    The Constitution sets out the Full Faith and Credit Clause which requires states to honor the laws or in this the cause all other 49 states NOT having a law banning gas powered vehicles.

    The Constitution also sets out Privileges and Immunities Clause.

    Of course, the Founders deemed freedom of movement between states as fundamental and did not need to be specified in the Constitution. Like the freedom to open your mouth.

  • Rat on a train||

    You can bring your car in. Hopefully you can get in and out on one tank. Gas taxes will be $100 a gallon.

  • ||

    I don't think they can. I think the dominant forces on Team Blue have greatly overestimated the support for electric cars.

    No matter how much they tell us that electric cars are the "way of the future," you can't hide the fact that environmentally speaking electric cars are a disaster that don't address emissions problems nearly as well as hybrids, which present the same problems with rare-earth mining, but which at least reduce emissions rather than simply transferring them to another spot (which is literally all an electric car does).

    And this notion that we can "build charging stations everywhere" to power these things is . . . just stupid.

  • Zeb||

    simply transferring them to another spot (which is literally all an electric car does)

    Assuming people don't get over their dumb aversion to nuclear.

    Also, I've heard varying accounts of the relative efficiency of an ICE and electric generation and distribution and I'm not sure what to think there. It seems like using electric power for cars could increase efficiency. Electric power plants are pretty efficient. But there are a lot of losses along the way for electric distribution and battery charging.
    Anyone know of a good analysis of that?

  • p3orion||

    "Assuming people don't get over their dumb aversion to nuclear."

    That will never happen in a state where Brown's car ban could be even semi-seriously considered.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Jerry, ban them now. I mean, this second. Allow California to become a laboratory for such forward-looking policies. We'll watch from afar.

  • SoCal Deathmarch||

    Hey! I live in The Peoples Republic of California, afar my ass. Stop provoking them, you know they'll make an irrational decision based solely on emotion, it's what they do.

  • Microaggressor||

    I agree. Let's kick the exodus from California into overdrive until it's uninhabitable like Detroit. Maybe they'll learn a lesson or two.

    Wait... have they learned any lessons from Detroit?

  • ||

    Unfortunately, we in CA buy a lot of cars. Cars are arguably absolutely central to CA culture, especially in SoCal. CA deciding they want their cars a certain way means your cars will be that way, too.

    Fortunately, cars are so central to CA culture that this whole idea is a non-starter.

  • BYODB||

    I will say this, I am sick and tired of 'California Rules', virtually all of them suck and make Corporate planning in other states a pain in the ass.

  • GeneralWeygand||

    The complaints of the lower 49 do not concern me, admiral

  • Rat on a train||

    49? DC is not a state and Hawaii, well I assume Alaskans don't include them out of jealousy.

  • GeneralWeygand||

    No...as in California and the 49 Dwarves

  • p3orion||

    Cars are arguably absolutely central to CA culture..."

    Hey, I'd love to see Brown go full retard on this. I can't imagine anything that would drive so many Califidiots to the right. Ok, from far-left to center-left, but it would be an improvement anyway.

  • sarcasmic||

    I think about the best the California government could do is ban the sale of gas powered cars within the state. Kinda like how here in Maine they have banned the sale of diesel powered passenger cars. So if you want a Jetta that runs on diesel, you buy it in New Hampshire.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    Diesel powered passenger cars get about 20-25% better mileage than the equivalent gas powered model. So banning their sale makes zero sense. Even considering we're talking about politicians, I'm surprised.

  • KDN||

    Being a woodsy tourist haven, I imagine they're more concerned about air quality than fuel consumption.

  • sarcasmic||

    Yeah. I'm sure it was driven by pollution concerns.

  • p3orion||

    The diesel process is more efficient, but part of that advantage is the result of modern gas blends. Ethanol simply does not have the stored chemical energy that gasoline does, so adding 10-15% of the crap to your gas just makes it less powerful.

    Thanks, Iowa!

  • GeneralWeygand||

    We should ban loser progs from the lower 49 migrating here from wherever the hell they come from. Only Nevadans and Arizonans and *some* Oregonians would be allowed.

  • sarcasmic||

    Well that counts me out.

  • Zeb||

    Norway's transportation plan calls for all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2025.

    They might be able to pull it off with all that oil money.

  • Zeb||

    And lots of nuclear power. No way they can make it all with "renewables".

  • BYODB||

    That's the joke. They'll be fueled by fossil fuels in either scenario, it's just a difference in how it's distributed. Namely, it'll go through California's garbage electrical grid.

  • BYODB||

    Or, in the example you actually used (my bad) Norway's probably 'less bad' electrical grid. Either way though, you're absolutely correct that it ain't gonna run on sunbeams and the breeze.

  • Mickey Rat||

    With the usual 70% transmission power losses.

  • The Last American Hero||

    Norway does realize that it's a petrol-based economy, right?

  • colorblindkid||

    Also, Norway's 80% the size of California with 13% of the population, and they no need to drive between states like in America. Norway also has super strict immigration laws and 98% of the population is white.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Brown also wants to change the California state motto to "That government governs best which governs most"

    Trump notwithstanding, Brown has to be one of the most, if not the most, arrogant and self-centered office holders in the country. In a state government filled with liberal autocrats, he is the Apex Liberal Autocrat (remember, he called Californians objecting to the 12c per gallon gas tax hike as "freeloaders").

  • Microaggressor||

    Don't forget DeBlasio, who thinks property rights are overrated because they impede his enlightened, scientific 5 year plans to do whatever he wants with everything.

  • Mickey Rat||

    And Brown is the reasonable one compared to the bright lights in CA legislature.

  • GeneralWeygand||

    Sad and true.....

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    adding that Brown is particularly worried that his planet-saving efforts might be outshined by those of other countries.

    What a self-obsessed wiener. How many songs do the Dead Kennedy's need to write about him before he leaves?

  • ||

    Jello Biafra has been an active Brown supporter since 1992. : (

  • BYODB||

    I realize that a lot of people, well ok a few people, really love the Dead Kennedy's but I always thought their music sounded like a bunch of wailing cats and that's coming from someone who was pretty into punk rock for a spell. Never could get into their sound.

  • GeneralWeygand||

    Chemical Warfare and Stealing People's Mail are awesome songs

  • Jerryskids||

    Purely electric vehicles are about .4 percent of the nearly 35 million registered vehicles on the state's roads.

    Purely electric? Like, they have battery-operated power plants in California? Isn't that kinda like plugging an extension cord into itself and expecting to get an endless supply of free electricity? Or is it just that the car runs only on electricity, which electricity is obtained by, um, burning oil or gas or coal?

  • Microaggressor||

    It's pretend zero-emission. There are still emissions, but they get to role play as if they're in the future where electricity is entirely unicorn-sourced.

  • ||

    THEY GET POWER FROM THE OUTLET IN THE WALL!!

    Stop overthinking it.

  • p3orion||

    Virtue-signalling stops at the outlet.

  • Ron||

    Banning the use of fossil fuel cars is the second method of controlling how, where and when people travel. the first method was Obama care by forcing people to live near their coverage areas luckily that may fail yet.

  • Microaggressor||

    Don't worry, they'll make up for it with public transportation. That's all the freedom they need anyway.

  • Rebel Scum||

    California Wants to Ban All Gas-Powered Cars

    SECEDE.

    The United Kingdom and France have both said they will ban the sale of gas and diesel by 2040. Norway's transportation plan calls for all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2025. India wants to make the switch to electric by 2030.

    And I want a unicorn.

    Brown has not said what a ban on gas and diesel vehicles might look like.

    Easy, a dystopian wasteland.

  • Microaggressor||

    Not so dystopian, but more like a ghost town once virtually every citizen is forced to move a state over to make ends meet.

  • EscherEnigma||

    Sounds good to me. Should drive down property values so I can get that three-bedroom-with-a-guest-house place I've been looking at.

  • Ron||

    How do you force people to buy things they don't want. Reminds me of the ACA.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Pass a law.

  • Marshal||

    Please please please please please pass.

  • Old Mexican's Speedos||

    California Wants to Ban All Gas-Powered Cars


    Even the limos and Lamborghinis owned by all those beautiful donors from Hollywood and Palo Alto?

    Oh, bans are for the little people. The rabble. Let them eat brioche!

  • BYODB||

    Jay Leno hardest hit.

  • The Laissez-Ferret||

    Oh there will be "special permits" allowed for the donor class and the beautiful people. There always are.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Do it. Fuckin' do it. Make it happen. Do it. Now. I'll donate to the campaign to do it. Shut up and take my money, that's how much do it.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    Sure, electric cars are expensive right now, but just wait until they're mandatory.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Would the Chevy Volt be banned? The Gas-electric car that reverts to gas when you run out of battery 20 miles down the road?

  • GeneralWeygand||

    Why are you traveling more than 10 miles? Is there some double plus ungood you have planned?

  • Enemy of the State||

    Between free, universal health care for everyone and a ban on combustion, CA will be a basket case, pleasing the Eco-tards and Leftists immensely...

  • Empress Trudy||

    They should do it tomorrow. Make it a capital offense, tomorrow. No exceptions. Green or Death.

  • John B. Egan||

    Germany, Great Britain, China, France, India, Austria, Denmark, Ireland, Japan, the Netherlands, Portugal, Korea and Spain all have timetables to ban fossil fuel cars. .. Do we always have to be the one country that has a knee-jerk reaction against efforts that will not only benefit our environment (you never saw Pasadena in the 80's with it's orange air that would make your eyes burn and tear up.) ..and our economy?

  • Bra Ket||

    Requiring that resources get used less efficiently never benefits the economy.

  • DrZ||

    You said Pasadena in the 80s. This has been fixed with ultra clean burning gasoline autos and lead-less gasoline. Also consider that natural gas autos pretty much produce CO2 & water out the tailpipe. This would clean up the air too and make more sense than electric especially when that electricity is generated by coal or natural gas or worse by environmentally destructive windmills and solar panels.

  • Brandybuck||

    Of course, with the limited range of electric cars, California will have to exclude the government auto inspectors. Despite the hand wringing the urban progressives in the LA and SF areas, California is still a mostly rural state. The inspectors will need gas powered autos to get to where they need to be doing the inspections.

  • GeneralWeygand||

    We need to repatriate midwestern progs. CA Natives are all decent people

  • DrZ||

    I am all for banning politicians instead.

  • CuriousKevMo||

    I suspect they'll just ban gasoline and let the rest take care of itself. Cars, trucks, motorbikes, chain saws, generators...oh wait.....

  • West Texas||

    California already has a program in place that would feasibly make this happen. It's called the "Low Carbon Fuel Standard".

    If they'd just let the LCFS work as it's designed, the compliance mechanisms of the program would eventually force refiners to start rationing gasoline sales and raising the price per gallon by several multiples in order to discourage consumption and meet their carbon reduction targets.

    But, California being California, they've already put a "price cap" on LCFS credits and they've made it clear that they're not going to allow consumers to pay more for gasoline.... and now they say they are worried about not being able to meet their carbon reduction targets if gasoline consumption doesn't decrease.

    Gee, I wonder why it hasn't changed?

    These dumbasses really do believe in a free lunch.

  • p3orion||

    "Gee, I wonder why it hasn't changed?"

    I'm sure they're trying to figure that out, and the solution they come up with will be stronger mandates. It's like the old excuse for failing communist states: it's never that their system was destined to fail, but only that it wasn't implemented vigorously enough.

  • Old Monkey||

    It's going to take another 20 years to make electric cars a practical option. It needs to be remembered. the US will need a proper power grid, and reliable power sources to make them an option.. .

  • damikesc||

    Does Brown have any idea how to bolster his state's electrical grid? If the cars aren't using fuel, they are likely using that. And a couple of million cars will be a bit of a drain on a grid that is already old and rickety.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    Why hasn't "Moonbeam" done what he has control over:
    Mandating that all State-owned vehicles are NOT powered by internal-combustion engines?
    C'mon Jere, have the State show us the way! Plus, the counties and cities are just waiting for you to demonstrate some leadership they can piggyback on.....plus, buying vehicles on your State purchasing agreements.
    Can't wait to see the new electric-powered motorcycles for our CHiPs!

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