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Kmele vs. DeRay, and Trump’s Cherished History: The New Fifth Column

Arguments over Charlottesville, confessions of collegiate evangelizing, and a Q&A with Black Lives Matter activist DeRay McKesson

DeRay McKesson ||| CNNCNNHave you checked out the revamped website of The Fifth Column, your very favorite non-Reason podcast, starring Michael C. Moynihan, Kmele Foster, and me? Episode links—such as last week's, featuring Thaddeus Russell and Radley Balko—now include topic breakouts, relevant book links, and other helpful information. Check it out!

This week's episode is so hot off the presses that even I haven't listened to the featured scrum at the end, when Kmele sits down with blue-vested Black Lives Matter activist and Campaign Zero co-founder DeRay McKesson for a frank exchange of views on race, policing, and "dangerous" ideas. (Read Reason's interview with McKesson from 14 months ago.) The conversation before that is mostly an extended argument over President Donald Trump's reactions to Charlottesville, with me talking about the ideological/comportmental aspects that Trumpism, the alt-right, and a big chunk of the broader right has in common; Kmele giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, and Moynihan spitting fire about LARPing tiki-Nazis. You can listen here:

Reminder: Over the weekend you can listen to an hour-long version of The Fifth Column on Sirius XM POTUS (channel 124) Saturdays at 11 a.m. ET then Sundays at 1 a.m. and 3 p.m. And you can always find more Fifth Column at iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play,, @wethefifth, and Facebook.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A TWO-HOUR BROADCAST? Now I've seen everything. And who edits these down to an hour for satellite radio? I guess if you take out all the grabassing this thing is probably less than that.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Did anyone ask DeRay about his Planet of The Apes vest Tweet?

    Or about how he got the under-talented and homely singer Katy Perry to confess her white privilege sins?

    Or about #staywoke?

    You know, the REAL issues the cool listener cares about?

  • Rhywun||

    Or about "ending the family as we know it" and other choice Marxist claptrap his group plugs.

  • WakaWaka||

    "under-talented and homely singer Katy Perry"

    No one with a D cup can be considered 'homely'

  • Crusty Juggler||

    No one with a D cup can be considered 'homely'


  • BestUsedCarSales||

    "Fuck you in your rear cockhole."

    This is great. I'm learning lots of stuff.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    Some holes weren't meant to be fucked.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    @mcmoynihan is high on life.

    We really are living in the Bizarro World.

  • Microaggressor||

    LARPing tiki-Nazis

    Matt never disappoints with the quality band names.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Oh, the final 20-some minutes is the DeRay interview. It's a phone interview, so yuck there. Congratulations to Foster, though. Since I don't "follow" the "social medias" this is the first I'm hearing he's bringing another first class passenger into this world.

  • Microaggressor||

    His life matters that much.

  • ||

    What's with the stupid life preserver.

    Dork thinks he's gonna' drown.

  • Roger Wilco||

    I'm not even sure I can muster the effort... i'm so tired... anyone else tired?

    i just need to lie down... for .... a minute...



  • loveconstitution1789||

    I see that the lefty SJW socialists and the nazi socialists are getting many clicks for Reason and writers just continue to pump out garbage.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Worst podcast share EVER.


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