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'Free' Abortions for Everyone in Oregon

Anchoring abortion access to the insurance market won't make it more affordable. But it will result in a lot of legal drama...

The Washington Times/ZUMAPRESS/NewscomThe Washington Times/ZUMAPRESS/NewscomA measure on its way to Gov. Kate Brown requiring health-insurance plans to include "free" coverage for elective abortions and an array of other pregnancy-related services for all insured, regardless of their gender identity, is certain to reverberate far beyond the state of Oregon.

The bill, sponsored by state Rep. Julie Fahey (D-West Eugene), is a response to Republican shenanigans in Washington, which could soon end Obamacare's provision that health insurers cover a list of preventative services with no deductibles or co-pays.

Fahey's measure would ensure that many of these services—such as cervical and breast cancer screenings and birth control—remain mandatory benefits under Oregon insurance plans and add abortion and vasectomies to the list.

It would also set up a fund for covering abortion procedures for undocumented immigrant women, who are not eligible for state-funded health coverage otherwise.

"In some states such as New York, abortions are cost-free if they're deemed medically necessary," ABC News reports. "The Oregon bill is unique, however, in that patients would have access to the procedure for virtually any reason, at any time."

The Hill called the bill "a rare bright spot for abortion rights advocates at a time when opponents have advanced restrictions in other states."

I disagree.

The goal of the reproductive-freedom movement is ensuring safe, widespread access to things like contraception, abortion, and maternity care. And, in theory, the Oregon measure does that. But it does so by acting on the same authoritarian impulses abortion foes are so fond of, guaranteeing inevitable and lengthy legal battles from folks who feel their conscience rights are being abridged.

The bill contains some exemptions for churches and religious non-profits as required by federal law. Insurance companies with religious objections can also apply for a waiver. But the category of people who oppose abortion for religious reasons extends far beyond religious institutions and insurance-company execs.

As with Hobby Lobby and the Obamacare contraception mandate, there will certainly be owners of private, for-profit companies who object to providing employee health-care coverage that funds something they find morally abhorrent.

I don't find abortion morally abhorrent. I share in the liberal fight to not just keep abortion legal and clinics open but also to ensure that anyone who needs to terminate a pregnancy can afford to do so. But we have got to get beyond this idea that securing this access must involve mandates and government funding. Inevitably, such requirements will interfere with civil liberties, stymie innovation that could bring better and cheapter care to more people, and drive up the cost of care for everyone.

If we are securing abortion access even for those who can't afford it, why not go at it directly, instead of through sixteen layers of bureacracy? Making every health-care plan include abortion coverage doesn't just rile religious objectors and raise insurance costs (which will be passed on to plan recipients indirectly), it ignores some of the most vulnerable populations.

Not only undocumented immigrants who may lack health insurance coverage altogether. Homeless women, women fleeing violent partners, teen runaways, drug addicts, and others who are unlikely to be insured are also likely to be targets of sexual violence and to have unintended pregnancies. How is a health-insurance mandate going to help them?

Abortion providers will no longer have an incentive to keep costs as low as possible or find innovative models for care because they can count on insurance reimbursement and don't need to deal directly with patients about the expense.

Rather than requiring one-size-fits-all insurance plans, we'd do better to look to places like Carafem, which opened in the D.C.-area in 2015 and offers first-trimester, pill-induced abortions, along with other gynecological and sexual-health services.

The company advertises directly to patients via ads on the Metro and in other high-visibility spaces, and its website is up front about all costs—which are similar to those at Planned Parenthood. Without vast amounts of government funding, Carafem manages to provide the same services at the same prices and avoid the attention of anti-abortion protesters.

Harnessing the twin engines of the market and charitable groups devoted to helping low-income, uninsured, and undocumented patients could do a world more for abortion services than the government imposing "access" on the insurance industry.

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  • Libertarian||

    "In some states such as New York, abortions are cost-free if they're deemed medically necessary," ABC News reports.


    Other than plastic surgery, what kind of medical procedures aren't necessary?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    In most cases, abortion could be considered unnecessary. Medically speaking.

    There are a lot of knee or hip replacement surgeries that are arguably not necessary-- ie, the patient is not in any imminent danger if the operation doesn't take place, but may not be able to job any more or be as active as they'd like.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I recently had a burst appendix and almost died. They drained the poison out of me, and then said its my choice if I actually want to get the ruined remains of my appendix actually removed from me.

    So I guess, appendectomies sometimes.

  • pan fried wylie||

    When i had my burst appendix removed c.1989 the procedures went the other way around.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    What a time to be alive.

  • Philadelphia Collins||

    Mine was in 1995. Peritonitis hurts like hell.

  • Juice||

    Tiny American flags for others?

  • ||

    Don't blame me.

  • Dillinger||

    set grid coordinates for...Bob Dole.

  • Eek Barba Durkle||

    Without vast amounts of government funding, Carafem manages to provide the same services at the same prices and avoid the attention of anti-abortion protesters.

    Sounds pretty racist. Or fascist. Maybe both.

  • Charles Easterly||

    A measure on its way to Gov. Kate Brown requiring health-insurance plans to include "free" coverage for elective abortions and an array of other pregnancy-related services for all insured, regardless of their gender identity, is certain to reverberate well beyond the state of Oregon.

    I read this twice. Even so I could not but understand it.

  • Dillinger||

    Elizabeth may have never diagrammed a sentence.

  • Charles Easterly||

    Nice.

  • Michael Hihn||

    (lol) Dillinger just told the world that he or she is illiterate!

  • Dillinger||

    >>>he or she

    likely...I could be a room full of monkeys

  • Charles Easterly||

    < a href +"https://youtu.be/aDPndzPnSU8?t=2" > Nice

  • Charles Easterly||

    Oops: Nice

  • Dillinger||

    my favorite Pollock role. Nice.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Thanks!
    Even dumber than that!!!

  • Michael Hihn||

    likely...I could be a room full of monkeys

    Or the only one.

  • BYODB||

    I read it as a man who identifies as a woman should be able to get their birth control and abortions for free through their insurance. And people outside of Oregon are going to applaud it, and say that everyone should be able to get an abortion always every time. Or something like that.

    Doesn't really have anything to do with me, as long as I have a say in the abortion if it's my kid. Oh, what's that? I don't? Well, can I at least get out of paying for her choice? No?

    Super. Heads she wins; tails I lose.

  • BYODB||

    Oh, and recall forced sterilizations here in the United States at the beheast of the government? 'Three generations of imbeciles is enough'?

    Ah, the good ol' days are a' comin' back again!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Ummm, you have somehow fantasized forced abortions here?

  • SQRLSY One||

    I smell forced abortions coming our way, in the intermediate future...

    Bible-bangers and anti-tech liberals will ally themselves against "monster babies" (those unborn babies who have had GMO splicing, CRISPR-CAS or similar) done to improve them or just eliminate diseases... And some USA parents will go overseas to have this done!

    A logical follow-on to the new anti-monster-babies legislation will be enforcement... Fertile-age women will have to be re-inspected upon return to the USA. Those carrying "monster babies" will HAVE to have an abortion!

  • Michael Hihn||

    I read it as a man who identifies as a woman should be able to get their birth control and abortions for free through their insurance

    Getting a uterus transplant is a lot more than "identifying."

  • Kivlor||

    I took it to mean that if you're a man LARPing as a woman, you must be given free abortions and "other pregnancy related services" the first time I read it. And if you're a woman LARPing as a man, you'll be denied it...

    But upon closer inspection, it I think that ENB means "everyone must receive free abortion / pregnancy related services regardless of their gender".

  • Crusty Juggler > You||

    I think that ENB means "everyone must receive free abortion / pregnancy related services regardless of their gender".

    You do realize that ENB was reporting the details of the bill, right?

  • Kivlor||

    You do realize I was paraphrasing ENB for clarity on the bill right? The nomenclature is so awful that it is confusing if you aren't some mentally handicapped land-whale Tumblr-ette.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Whereas your own snarky mental handicap is to have been brainwashed by the Christina Taliban that trannies "decide one morning that they want to be a different gender" ... which is no crazier than your assumption that a male anatomy can "decide" to become pregnant.

  • Kivlor||

    Hey, it's Hihn! Did 4chan raid Tumblr again and drive you from your safe space?

    Look out Reaaonoids, a triggered land-whale has come to defend the honor of Tumblr users everywhere!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hey, it's Hihn! Did 4chan raid Tumblr again and drive you from your safe space?

    First you were triggered by Elizabeth.
    Then you were triggered my my ridicule of your illiterate fuckup.
    And like all rightwinger/goobers/aggressors, you say the OTHER one is a snowflake!

    So who's the dumbfuck here:

    Did 4chan raid Tumblr again and drive you from your safe space?

    Look out Reaaonoids, a triggered land-whale has come to defend the honor of Tumblr users everywhere!

    SWALLOWS HIS OWN BULLSHIT!

    (this too is ridicule)

    Look out Reaaonoids, a triggered land-whale has come to defend the honor of Tumblr users everywhere!

  • Kivlor||

    (Autistic screeching intensifies)

    Reeeeeee!

  • Michael Hihn||

    MOAR AGGRESSION!

    (Autistic screeching intensifies)
    Reeeeeee!

    I invite and encourage thoughtful alternative views, because tolerance is a defining virtue of libertarians.

    NAP forbids verbal aggression. Verbal aggression is protected speech, but the same Authoritarian mind as force -- to attack opponents and impose one's own values on everyone. The True Believers.

    Eric Hoffer's seminal book showed zealots and fanatics they eventually dominate all movements. And now ours.

    Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers."
    -Eric Hoffer, "The True Believers" (1951)

    Throughout human history, the worst moral atrocitres have been committed by those manipulated to BELIEVE they are defending some "greater good" -- the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous.
    -Mike Hihn (1994)
  • Kivlor||

    Needs moar autistic screeching

  • Michael Hihn||

    MOAR AGGRESSION. FUCK NAP

  • Kivlor||

    Don't forget to say "Reeeeeeeee" in your response Mikey

  • Michael Hihn||

    My name is Mike, childish one. I've never said Reeeeee, so you've been brainwashed, perhaps eagerly.

  • Kivlor||

    Reeeeee! It's aggression to offer clarification on something that other people stated they find confusing, and to agree that it is confusing to the uninitiated!

    Reeeeee! I'm autistic Little Mikey and can't find my way back to my Tumblr hugbox!

    Reeeeee! I'm triggered by all things at all times and must project that through my autistic screeching!

    Go home Mikey. Your wife should be done with her bull by now, and she can tell you all about what she did with him while you were here on Reason. Before you go though, do tell us, do you prep the bull first?

  • Michael Hihn||

    My stalker - a psycho liar (puke)

    LIE

    Reeeeee! It's aggression to offer clarification on something that other people stated they find confusing, and to agree that it is confusing to the uninitiated!

    TRUTH


    Hey, it's Hihn! Did 4chan raid Tumblr again and drive you from your safe space?
    Look out Reaaonoids, a triggered land-whale has come to defend the honor of Tumblr users everywhere!

    Commits aggression, while denying it.

    Reeeeee! I'm autistic Little Mikey and can't find my way back to my Tumblr hugbox!
  • Michael Hihn||

    But upon closer inspection, it I think that ENB means "everyone must receive free abortion / pregnancy related services regardless of their gender".

    (lol) "gender identity" is beyond your comprehension, so you change the words to fit your narrative.

    ENB is too smart for many of the commentariat -- no surprise. The law bill says -- if she states it properly -- that a female anatomy who identifies as male does not lose reproductive rights.

    This fits the narrative of brainwashed goobers by the Christian Taliban that trannies "decide" to be a different gender, because Fox News, the Christian Taliban and other anti-constitutionalists like Ron Paul.

    Psssst. the male anatomy has no uterus. Do the math.

  • WakaWaka||

    Alright, ENB, Hihn's a big fan! You have the most libertarian commentators as big fans: Hihn and Tony. Chuck Schumer 'libertarians'!

  • MarkLastname||

    Just wait, Hihn will be her mortal enemy again when she criticizes tge notion of taxpayer funded syphilus treatment.

  • Michael Hihn||

    BRAGS ABOUT BEING ILLITERATE ... Mindless tribalism outranks literacy for WakaWaka

    ENB is too smart for many of the commentariat -- no surprise.The law bill says -- if she states it properly -- that a female anatomy who identifies as male does not lose reproductive rights.

    Alright, ENB, Hihn's a big fan! You have the most libertarian commentators as big fans: Hihn and Tony. Chuck Schumer 'libertarians'!

    smirk

  • Michael Hihn||

    MORE AGGRESSION!

    Hihn will be her mortal enemy again when she criticizes tge notion of taxpayer funded syphilus treatment.

    What kind of bully is STILL stalking me for his fuckup nine months ago?

    http://reason.com/blog/2017/07.....nt_6893410

    (boldface in defense of repeated, non-stop aggression by a serial stalker ... in defiance of NAP)

  • Kivlor||

    Poor, poor Mikey. Venturing courageous and alone outside of his hugbox into savage realms to bring the Word to the heathens. Surely they will see by his unparalleled arguments that if you feel you're a girl, then that makes you a girl, and that anatomy and science are archaic monoliths of the dying kyriarchy of the white male.

    Science must fall!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Posted in defense of ... MORE aggression ... MORE punishment ... because I ridiculed his ILLITERACY

    (What I said, predictng goobers)
    ENB is too smart for many of the commentariat
    -- no surprise. The law bill says -- if she states it properly -- that a female anatomy who identifies as male does not lose reproductive rights.
    This fits the narrative of brainwashed goobers
    by the Christian Taliban that trannies "decide" to be a different gender, because Fox News, the Christian Taliban and other anti-constitutionalists like Ron Paul.
    Psssst. the male anatomy has no uterus. Do the math.

    ==
    (Brainwashed goober EXACTLY as I peredicted!! OMG)
    "Poor, poor Mikey. Venturing courageous and alone outside of his hugbox into savage realms to bring the Word to the heathens. Surely they will see by his unparalleled arguments that if you feel you're a girl, then that makes you a girl, and that anatomy and science are archaic monoliths of the dying kyriarchy of the white male. "

    (smirk)I said a WOMAN would NOT lose her reproductive rights as a trans male. But ......

    Over a dozen goobers on this page say (laughing hysterically ,... TREAT HER AS A MALE LEGALLY. .... They're at war with their own bigotry!

  • Kivlor||

    Keep on screeching little Mikey.

    http://tinyurl.com/y8bcs7tw

  • Michael Hihn||

    Keep on screeching little Mikey.

    Only in defense of your aggression. Why do you label self-defense as autism? While also lying about the article here?

    I invite and encourage thoughtful alternative views, because tolerance of opposing views is a defining virtue of libertarians. Intolerance defines authoritarians

    NAP forbids verbal aggression. Verbal aggression is protected speech, but the same Authoritarian mind as force -- to attack opponents and impose one's own values on everyone. The True Believers.

    Eric Hoffer's seminal book showed zealots and fanatics they eventually dominate all movements. And now ours.

    Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers."
    -Eric Hoffer, "The True Believers" (1951)

    Throughout human history, the worst moral atrocitres have been committed by those manipulated to BELIEVE they are defending some "greater good" -- the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous.
    -Mike Hihn (1994)
  • Philadelphia Collins||

    White Indian, is that you?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Yes. But why are you stalking me with childish taunts?

  • Kivlor||

  • Michael Hihn||

    (childish)

  • Kivlor||

    Mikey, if you're going to attempt to insult me, at least start by using the proper three sets of parens, like this: (((Kivlor)))

  • Philadelphia Collins||

    Needs more gamboling.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I read this twice. Even so I could not but understand it.

    You say the meaning is essentially self-evident .. once you read it twice. Now see how many read YOU wrong!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It would also set up a fund for covering abortion procedures for undocumented immigrant women, who are not eligible for state-funded health coverage otherwise.

    If I was a Trump supporter, my head would explode on this one.

  • Dillinger||

    abortions for immigants < or > less anchor babies?

    it's like the "put the donkey between 2 identical bales of hay" game

  • BYODB||

    Hmm...or would it bring a smile to your face when you realize that the anchor baby can be disappeared?

    Not that a catholic woman from Mexico, who is counting on that baby to keep her in the country, would be likely to do anything remotely like this. Set up a fund if you like, it'll just be a slush fund for their legislature I'd wager.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    If it makes you feel better, my one friend's mom went BACK to Mexico to give birth to him. So even though his parents lived in the US on a green-card he had to go through the full naturalization process.

  • BYODB||

    Doesn't make me feel good or bad, really. The above was not serious.

  • Paper Wasp||

    I'm not a Trump supporter, but still think it sucks ass. Glad I don't live in Oregonistan. "Don't worry, we still have PLENTY of other people's money to spend on the freeloading women of the world."

    I wonder which is cheaper? An abortion, or the per-head cost of packing a C-130 full of illegal preggos, flying to their shitholes of origin, and dumping them out. I'm guessing you could probably ship-and-dump for cheaper than $1K each, which is a ballpark average abortion cost.

  • Michael Hihn||

    If I was a Trump supporter, my head would explode on this one.

    If you were, it already had.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    of other pregnancy-related services for all insured, regardless of their gender identity

    I read this sentence like... six times.

    If someone needs pregnancy services (prenatal care, abortion services), they need pregnancy services, why do we care what their gender identity is?

    Doctor: It appears you're already about two months along... Mrs... *looks at chart notes*
    Patient: I prefer Mr.
    Doctor: Oh, I guess I can ignore the ultrasound then!

  • Number 2||

    The point appears to be that you'll be forced to purchase health insurance with premiums that include "free" pregnancy care even if it is physically impossible for you to become pregnant.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    The fuck?!!

  • Crusty Juggler > You||

    Exactly. And yet...

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Eh well, I guess that's nothing new. Reason has already covered the octogenarians having to pay for pediatric dentistry coverage. it is what it is, I guess.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Eh well, I guess that's nothing new. Reason has already covered the octogenarians having to pay for pediatric dentistry coverage. it is what it is, I guess.

    I've seen lots of hysteria on this, but never even an estimate on what it adds to the costs.

    Like how much does it cost to separate the ages of dental patient? ?

    And some say only proggies are easily manipulated. Tribal obligations are mandatory.

  • MarkLastname||

    How much does it cost to separate patients by age? Are you serious? It's a number in an excel spreadsheet. All rows > x don't get coverage for procedures exclusive to

  • Michael Hihn||

    (laughng)

  • ||

    And this differs from the ACA how?

    Oh, right. It doesn't.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I read this sentence like... six times.

    I got it the first time.

    If someone needs pregnancy services (prenatal care, abortion services), they need pregnancy services, why do we care what their gender identity is?

    For any and all laws and regulations that say "women," a female anatomy does not lose any reproductive rights if identifying as a male.

    Doctor: It appears you're already about two months along... Mrs... *looks at chart notes*
    Patient: I prefer Mr.
    Doctor: Ih, I guess I can ignore the ultrasound then!

    BINGO!
    How many Doctors assume there are no unwed pregnancies?

  • Philadelphia Collins||

    Doctor, I NEED to avoid taking responsibility for my actions. The little bastard has got to go.

  • Michael Hihn||

    (laughing) You got it totally backwards. Typical of your ilk

    And kinda stoopid. "IF SHE SAYS SHE'S A MAN, I WANT HER TREATED AS A MAN!"
    Will YOU take responsibility for your own fuckup? Or self-righteous?

  • Philadelphia Collins||

    White Indian returns!!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Back to ridicule you.

  • Magnitogorsk||

    I think if I was a Bezos/Zuckerberg level rich person instead of a traditional charity I would found a nation-wide free abortion service. That would be one huge wrench removed from the political gears in this country, AND would massively reduce the number of welfare recipients. Everyone would be happy! (except for the religious right, but fuck them)

  • Don't look at me.||

    You monster.

  • WakaWaka||

    Yes, because killing the undesirables and justifying it based on cost, has been a winning strategy throughout history.

  • Spooky||

    Lebensunwertes Leben, Kamerad.

  • Crusty Juggler > You||

    "Free Abortions For Everyone" was my nickname in college.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I thought it was 'Regardless of Gender Identity'.

  • Crusty Juggler > You||

    Rather than requiring one-size-fits-all insurance plans

    Hey Congress, this should be how you begin every discussion on health care.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I thought it should be "what just happened, and why are we here?"

  • Crusty Juggler > You||

    That wasn't in the article, Paul!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    They're ruining the libertarian moment!

  • Fuck You - Cut Spending||

    The police are happy to perform 90th trimester abortions

  • Dillinger||

    effective canine life-removal tactics as well.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I'm going to do my part to push Oregon towards bankruptcy by getting dozens of abortions every day.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    As a man!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I won't let any of god's mistakes stop me from reaching my goals.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Men don't get pregnant! Elizabeth seems to be above the intelligence of the commentariat.
    Again.

  • DesigNate||

    I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Paul was being sarcastic/making a joke.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I may be wrong, but men don't get pregnant.
    And everyone above me made the same point as me. All but you.
    He also fucked up by assuming the state would be paying.

  • Philadelphia Collins||

    White Indian has spoken.

  • Michael Hihn||

    The blunders were so fucking obvious!

  • Longtobefree||

    And Oregon will be shocked, shocked, to find no insurers selling in the state.
    At least no men buying.

  • SQRLSY One||

    Also, which is more "medically necessary" on a regular basis, abortions or eating?!?!

    MeThinks food is obviously, totally "medically necessary", and so, should be covered 100%, NO deductibles!!!

    I wonder what will happen to insurance prices after this obviously-needed change?

  • WakaWaka||

    Nothing is more 'libertarian' than digging into people's pockets to pay for abortions!

  • Michael Hihn||

    That's what she said. Thanks for correcting all the goobers who fucked it up.

  • WakaWaka||

    Exactly. How can you call yourself libertarian if you aren't forcing others to pay for your abortions? As if personal responsibility and not taking other people's money is at all important to liberty.

  • Michael Hihn||

    That's what she said. Thanks for correcting all the goobers who fucked it up.

    Exactly. How can you call yourself libertarian if you aren't forcing others to pay for your abortions? As if personal responsibility and not taking other people's money is at all important to liberty.

    I was ridiculing he biggest goober on the page.

    That makes you full; of shit twice, in this subthread alone!
    THE GOOBERS ARE GOING INSANE!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Unlike mot libertarians here, commenters and writers, Elizabeth threads the libertarian needle perfectly.
    That's why nearly half the commenters (and most of the comments) have no clue what she wrote!

    For the clueless, the transgender portion means that a female anatomy does not lose reproductive rights by "identifying" (a word they also cannot grasp) as a male. Umm, male anatomy has no uterus - seriously.

    No, that doe NOT mean I defended the bill. (lol)

  • WakaWaka||

    Alright, ENB, your brand of Chuck Schumer 'libertarianism' has a big fan in Hihn, the most libertarian libertarian ever!

  • Michael Hihn||

    I did predict goobers would say I defended the bill!! (this in defense of aggression)

    Alright, ENB, your brand of Chuck Schumer 'libertarianism' has a big fan in Hihn, the most libertarian libertarian ever!

    Confused by the dumbfuck goobers here? Why does WakaWaka make ass of himself, all over the page, calling Elizabeth a "Chuck Schumer libertarian" for ,.... opposing both the bill and the public financing?

    Well, she also DARED support a woman's unalienable right to Liberty, which is precisely equal to the fetal child;s unalienable right to Life .,. which PISSES OFF the Christian Taliban, who don;t know what "unalienable" means!. (smirk)

    On this site, it's usually Ron Paul's cult, extreme socons who SHIT on the constitution ... swallow Ron's bullshit about federalism -- the AUTHORITARIAN states rights from the KKK

    They drool when Ron says "rogue judges" oerturned DOMA -- DEFYING checks and balances, THREE co-equal branches and separtion of powers? WHY?

    Like the KKK, Ron says states have UNLIMITED powers, NEVER delegated by the people, who have NO defense of rights abuses by states. Target: fucking fags.

    The motherfucker BRAGS that he tried to ban SCOTUS from even CONSIDERING challenges to DOMA -- to make gays like ni**ers before emancipation. JIM CROW for gays. Guess who THAT attracts.

    No surprise, his cult is dominated by the bullies we see here, because aggression is inherent to all authoritarians.

  • Dillinger||

    >>>doe NOT

    mmmmmm...doeNOTs

  • MacDaddy81||

    Stop feeding the troll, people.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Did dumbfuck feed a troll? (smirk)

    I AGREE! Be like me! I invite and encourage thoughtful alternative views, because tolerance of opposing views is a defining virtue of libertarians.

    NAP forbids verbal aggression. Verbal aggression is protected speech, but the same Authoritarian mind as force -- to attack opponents and impose one's own values on everyone. The True Believers.

    Eric Hoffer's seminal book showed how zealots and fanatics eventually dominate all movements. Even ours.

    Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers."
    -Eric Hoffer, "The True Believers" (1951)

    Throughout human history, the worst moral barbarities have been committed by those claiming to be acting in the name of some god, or defending some "greater good" -- the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God ... Zealots and fanatics ... The militant self-righteous.

    Thugs to the left of me. Thugs to the right of me/

    Did dumbfuck feed a troll? (smirk)

  • Philadelphia Collins||

    How long will White Indian stay this time?

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