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Kathy Griffin's Latest Stunt Is Not a Threat of Violence Against Trump

Tasteless? Sure. Illegal? No.

GriffinScreenshot via Griffin / TwitterIn a recent (some would say desperate) grab for attention, infrequently funny comedian Kathy Griffin posed for photos while holding the (fake) severed head of President Trump. She has now been fired from her job of co-hosting CNN's New Year's Eve show.

Was the stunt obnoxious? Sure. Counterproductive, as far as anti-Trump statements go? Probably. An illegal threat of violence? Of course not.

But this did not stop several conservatives on Twitter—who apparently are wary of online lynch mobs only when the target is someone they find sympathetic—from demanding some kind of investigation. Katie Pavlich cc:ed the Secret Service in a tweet about Griffin. A Breitbart writer suggested the stupid stunt was "likely a crime."

It's true that threatening the president is a crime. But there's a difference between a true threat—a statement likely to be interpreted as a real, actual threat to harm the president—and hyperbole, satire, and humor. South Park character Mr. Garrison murdered Donald Trump (the president of Canada) in season 19 of the show, but this was clearly not an illegal threat of violence. HBO's Game of Thrones beheaded a George W. Bush dummy, but again, this is not direct and unambiguous enough to count as some kind of call to violence against the leader of the free world.

Similarly, Griffin's photo shoot clearly falls under protected speech. She would have had to actually threaten to kill the president, or call on other people to kill the president, in order to violate the law.

So the stunt wasn't illegal. It was tasteless, and all are welcome to condemn Griffin (who has by now apologized unconditionally) and even to demand that her employers—CNN and, um, Squatty Potty—fire her. But if you take up a pitchfork here, you may look a little foolish the next time you complain about political correctness run amok, or easily offended millennials, or safe spaces. If you care more about Trump's feelings than his very bad policies, you are the snowflake.

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  • Hugh Akston||

    I think you have to be a snowflake in order to support Trump. Everything is someone else's fault, my personal narrative is under attack, the world owes me a job and security and privilege etc. Why else would you vote for a blithering oafish man-baby?

  • timbo||

    Clinton?

  • Quixote||

    Whatever one thinks of her politics, she understands very well that we need to get rid of hate speech and "satire," and that there are usually ways of getting around the "Constitution" when we have to get the job done. Surely no one here would dare to defend the "First Amendment dissent" of a single, isolated judge in our nation's leading criminal "parody" case? See the documentation at:

    https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  • marslife66||

    good for you

  • Hank Phillips||

    Um... to have electricity?

  • Robbzilla||

    I sincerely doubt that the majority of the people who pulled the lever for Trump did it because they wanted the guy in office. They simply didn't want Clinton. She's the one person worse than Trump in modern politics, and that's why she lost.

  • Brandybuck||

    Hillary was so bad the only person she could beat was Trump. Unfortunately Trump was so bad the only person he could beat was Hillary.

  • SIV||

    Unfortunately Trump was so bad the only person he could beat was Hillary.

    And 16 or 17 GOP primary opponents.

  • Robbzilla||

    Good point. None of them were stellar either. Even Bland Paul, the used-to-be libertarianish kid.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    While I loath Shrillary, I think Trump's election has broader implications. I think the voters are so sick of the establishments of both parties that many of them were prepared to vote for whichever candidate could self-brand as an outsider. Trump could. Shrillary couldn't and didn't try.

    Now, Trump is about as much an "Outsider" as I am Sultan of Brunai. But he branded himself as such, and that was enough to tip the election against the insider's insider, Shrillary.

  • Johnimo||

    I agree, overall, with your analysis of the election. However, I have to say that Trump is an "outsider" on the issue of climate change. I can only hope he will become an outsider on other important issues. I hope he'll become an outsider on income tax (corporate & individual) reform. I'd love to see a low, flat rate for the personal tax and the elimination of the corporate rate.. We can only hope he'll become an outsider on federal involvement in education.

  • Hank Phillips||

    The February cover of Der Spiegel had almost the same picture n its cover, only of Trump holding up the severed head of the Statue of Liberty.

  • HenryC||

    Because as bad as he is, Hillary would have been worse. Still, I voted for Johnson.

  • Johnimo||

    I mirror your thoughts and your vote, but I'm thinking we may have to change next time. The left is going so, totally insane that Trump may actually deserve to be elected next time.

  • Tony||

    We're libertarians, not anarchists, bruh. She should be put in a Malaysian prison for life. Trump is the best president ever, after all.

    Saving you idiots the bother.

  • timbo||

    Once again, you prove that you are the dumbest person on the internet.

    The entire world wide web.

  • Tony||

    The dumbest person on the internet also happens to be the most powerful person in the world.

  • timbo||

    nice one. really

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    most powerful person in the world.

    One wonders how it got to be this way. One wonder if the lesson will be learned that... oh never mind.

  • timbo||

    Exactly. No one questions the obvious forward trajectory of big government.

    They only question the other guy they don't like. And both parties go out and fight to buy each other's steak.

  • Tony||

    What do you want me to do about it, exactly?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    *looks around nervously*

    I thin... I think the same thing you want us to do about Trump.

  • Tony||

    I never started defending or liking him.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    Do some of that wonderful democracy stuff.

    It's working great so far.

  • Tony||

    Okay. See what happens when we don't let democracy pick our political leaders?

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    It's only democracy when I say so!

  • Tony||

    I'm just saying, in my lifetime we've had two popular-vote losers ascend to the presidency, and they have successively been the worst presidents in history. That's not a positive argument for democracy necessarily, but it certainly doesn't put any points on the board for non-democracy.

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    I'm just saying, in my lifetime we've had two popular-vote losers ascend to the presidency, and they have successively been the worst presidents in history.

    We had two before that who weren't any great shakes, either, and yet the country managed to survive. Perhaps you should be less hysterical when you don't get your way.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    One would think that, if democracy is such a good system, then the choice of president, when whittled down to the top 2 candidates, would be a choice between best and next best.

    Instead, it's apparently a choice between best and worst.

    And that says nothing about democracy, which is the best damned way to make decisions ever!

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    The real question is: why do democrats suck so much at losing elections to the worst people?

  • Brandybuck||

    And despite these two popular-vote losers, the Democrats still insist that all power be piled on the presidency. You would think the Democrats would be running for the decentralists corner, but nope. It's like they really do think that once they get one of their own back in the White House it will be permanent.

  • Tony||

    Sigh. No one expanded presidential power like Cheney and that dry drunk fray guy he palled around with. Obama without question continued expanding it. But it's Republicans' fault. Their entire political purpose for eight years, and I dare you to argue otherwise, was to deny him any political wins, no matter what harm it caused to the country or its people, period.

    I said, over and over, that their behavior would force Obama to attempt to expand his own power where he could and that it would not be a good thing.

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    I said, over and over, that their behavior would force Obama to attempt to expand his own power where he could and that it would not be a good thing.

    "Elections have consequences, and I won."

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    No one expanded presidential power like Cheney and that dry drunk fray guy he palled around with.

    This is right on par with Trump's Coast Guard speech in its stunning lack of historical knowledge or perspective.

  • Presskh||

    The two popular vote-losing Presidents you mention, while definitely flawed, were separated in their terms by the most incompetent and Marxist-minded President in our history.

  • HenryC||

    We had Hillary and Trump, how could anything do worse.

  • Tony||

    When have I been a big proponent of expansive presidential power?

  • Ship of Theseus||

    LOL

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    What do you want me to do about it, exactly?

    Same thing you leftists always do--stew in your own misery and try to make the rest of society pay for it.

  • BambiB||

    It's called "Idiocracy". There's a documentary about it by the same title. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBvIweCIgwk See?

    In other words, the problem isn't Trump. Or Clinton. It's the voters who are fucking morons. Face it, most people are not much smarter than their simian ancestors and would be right at home in the chimp exhibit at the zoo, screaming at the gawkers and flinging excrement. Perhaps voting should be done based on IQ points. 100 or less, you don't vote. 100 or more, you get one vote per point above 100.

    Couldn't be worse than what we have now.

  • Jay Dubya||

    IQ scoring would become the new redistricting as those in power manipulate the system for personal or partisan gain. Meritocracy isn't a way out of democracy's problems, unfortunately.

  • Presskh||

    Voting in federal elections should, as intended by the original framers of the constitution, be restricted to those who are responsible citizens. These days, with half of the population paying no federal taxes and being net recipients of federal spending, elections boil down to who can promise the most free stuff.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|5.31.17 @ 2:21PM|#
    "The dumbest person on the internet also happens to be the most powerful person in the world."

    No, shitbag, you're actually pretty powerless.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    Libertarians are closet Republican Trumpkins!

    I know this because, whenever I bitch about Trump on a libertarian forum, I can find someone willing to respond!

  • RogerNorthup||

    So 'someone' = 'Libertarians'? You definitely don't belong on a site called reason, dude.

  • DOOMco||

    sarc meter.

  • Cynical Asshole||

  • Hank Phillips||

    It is a variant of the Nurd-o-meter invented by Sam Hurt in Eyebeam comics published in the UT Austin campus paper, 1980s

  • damikesc||

    But this did not stop several conservatives on Twitter—who apparently are wary of online lynch mobs only when the target is someone they find sympathetic—from demanding some kind of investigation.

    It's called "Making them live by their own rules".

    It's a necessary condition.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Please stop bolding everything; italics are far easier to read.

    Thank you.

  • damikesc||

    Please stop bolding everything; italics are far easier to read.

    I bold what I am replying to. I find italics not terribly good for that.

  • Ship of Theseus||

    You're thinking of Michael Hihn.

  • Subpoena'd Woodchipper||

    He will also tell you why he is more libertarian than you or I. He's a walking libertarian purist meter, in his own mind

  • Subpoena'd Woodchipper||

    He will also tell you why he is more libertarian than you or I. He's a walking libertarian purist meter, in his own mind

  • damikesc||

    We use blockquote for that. You are free to bold, but people will start accussing you of being a bully.

    Please note I feel bullied AND appropriated for being made to do this.

  • WakaWaka||

    "But this did not stop several conservatives on Twitter—who apparently are wary of online lynch mobs only when the target is someone they find sympathetic—from demanding some kind of investigation"

    Citation needed or link. I didn't see any of that. Nor have I read any demand for her ousting from Daily Caller, Hot Air, or the American Conservative (which didn't even mention the incident).

    Your perspective is right that what Griffin did was just silly and dumb. But, don't start playing the "see they did it too" without any evidence to back that up.

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    Every time Suave trots out his "conservatives are snowflakes too", he looks like such a dumbass.

  • BYODB||

    That's because he is, in fact, a dumb ass. He doesn't actually fact check his own articles. One of these days he's going to end up working for Rolling Stone, methinks, or at least that's gotta be a life goal for him.

  • Brandybuck||

    It's dumasses all the way down...

  • Cloudbuster||

    He'll be searching for that exclusive interview with Haven Monahan.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Team politics are all about each side constantly whining about the other side.

  • lap83||

    Are not. Shut up

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    I'm so much better than you.

  • Subpoena'd Woodchipper||

    I know you are, but what am I?

  • Nick W B||

    I take it you aren't on Twitter.

  • Ship of Theseus||

    Clearly not. Willful ignorance is a helluva drug.

  • Ron||

    I read her diatribe and it seemed like she was calling for others to do violence to him so that would be inciting violence. i can't find the link now since all about the apology

  • pan fried wylie||

    HBO's Game of Thrones beheaded a George W. Bush dummy

    Admittedly, I only recently got into the show and am on my 3rd replay of the series, but somehow I missed that. The first episode didn't even air until midway through Obama's first term.

  • Tony||

    One of the heads on the spikes near where Ned's head was parked at the Red Keep was apparently from a Bush dummy. They had to apologize for that too.

  • Free Society||

    They didn't behead a Bush dummy, they had replica of his head on a pike that was facing away from the camera at about 95 degrees. Robby is just used to reporting things based on second hand information.

  • pan fried wylie||

    Full disclosure time, I watch TV with my ears mostly, until the subtitles force me to turn my head.

    Working in props has got to be tough. "Ok, for this shot, we've got heads on pikes...." "Fuck man, we've got plenty of full bodies, but we don't have a pile of just heads lying around....alright, scrounge up anything we can decapitate, we don't have the time or money to fabricate these heads, CHOP CHOP PEOPLE." *everybody in the meeting groans at the pun*

  • Azathoth!!||

    most prop houses have tons of heads lying around. Effects places make them as a matter of routine.

    I've got nine standard, about six 'effect' heads(vampire, zombie, mummy), and dozens of styro heads.

    'Cos Knowledge is Power!!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    NO SPOILERS

  • grrizzly||

    Poor Robby. CNN has just fired her.

  • colorblindkid||

    Once again, this is mostly backlash to the ridiculous way Obama was coddled by the press for 8 years. It is retribution for the rodeo clown that got fired for wearing an Obama mask. I don't even blame Obama or the Democrats for it. I blame the press. The anger and outrage is mostly over the double standards and hypocrisy, something Robby still isn't getting about right-wing outrage, which (for the most part) is a completely different beast than the more earnest but misplaced SJW/left-wing outrage

  • grrizzly||

    Robby doesn't want to get it, he is on the other side.

  • SIV||

    The conservatives won't let him use the ladies room.

    Isn't Robbie supposed to be on sabbatical writing some stupid book on progressive millennial snowflakes like himself so he can collect an advance form some right wing publisher?

  • Tony||

    "There's no use in being the better man, after all. Two wrongs make a right. We're titty babies who are still blaming Obama for everything including our own blatant hypocrisy."

  • colorblindkid||

    I don't deny that it is stupid and I wish people were more principled, but I understand the anger.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    I'm still blaming the Russians for democrats' problems!

  • Social Justice is neither||

    Only a moron refuses to fight back when others take to pummeling your face.

  • damikesc||

    "There's no use in being the better man, after all. Two wrongs make a right. We're titty babies who are still blaming Obama for everything including our own blatant hypocrisy."

    Says the advocate of a group who proclaims tolerance as their highest ideal and they demonstrate that by silencing all dissenting voices they possibly can.

    So, please, tell me more about the hypocrisy.

  • Tony||

    First tell me who I have called on to be silenced.

  • timbo||

    Also, what could be phrased as "right wing outrage' is a far more sober look at the hilarious hypocrisy and moronic lunacy of the left's daily explosions of fury over pointless shit.

    Those of us who are paying attention know that all of this stuff is nothing more than welcome distraction from what both parties are doing.

    Every story should have the sub-heading - $20 trillion in debt, FED creates more chaos, endless war, cronyism, and both parties are the same.

    And tony, and palin, and Trudy, and micheal hihn are unhinged twitching dipshits.

  • Tony||

    What daily explosions? The left is freaking out over Trump's idiocy and horrible policy while you guys whine about some stranger in another state using a bathroom you don't approve of.

  • Free Society||

    I think the issue was about a stranger in another state being forced to accommodate out of their own pocket and on their own property, as a matter of law, the mental illness of a ridiculously small proportion of the population. But I know you would rather mischaracterize your opponents arguments because you find it easier to debate with lies.

  • timbo||

    What's this we stuff. They just want the rabbit.

    You really do not listen much to the people or articles on this website. It's remarkable that you have not grasped one idea yet.

  • Tony||

    The articles have been largely fine lately, in my opinion. Bailey could stop being such a cowering tool, but in general Reason is doing what it's supposed to do: realize that Obama and the left aren't in power anymore, and so aren't really the problem right now.

  • Free Society||

    He's either peak stupid, or he's just a run of the mill stupid liar. And as we all know, there is no peak stupid.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|5.31.17 @ 2:22PM|#
    "The left is freaking out over Trump's idiocy and horrible policy..."

    Tell the left to suck it up; you lost, loser.

  • damikesc||

    "The left is freaking out over Trump's idiocy and horrible policy..."

    Tell the left to suck it up; you lost, loser.

    I guess "IT'S THE LAW!!!" is no longer an acceptable retort to criticism of asinine policy.

  • Jesse Walker||

    The anger and outrage is mostly over the double standards and hypocrisy

    Nah, we went through all this under Bush too.

  • dantheserene||

    cbk-
    The rodeo clown purge was particularly strange, since the same guy had been wearing a Bush mask during Bush's presidency and no one cared.

  • pan fried wylie||

    they call that a Reverse Daily Show on the rodeo circuit.

  • Azathoth!!||

    It is retribution for the rodeo clown that got fired for wearing an Obama mask.

    I don't think they get this. You can't even poke fun in the lightest way at anything the leftists(and yes, I am including the staff and writers of reason in this) like without them throwing a shit-fit.

    Sometimes for weeks.

    But the second some non-leftist(and yes, I am excluding the staff and writers of reason from this) points out that leftists feel free to make the most egregious jokes and statements and images regarding the right by pointing out yet another severed head fantasy, the left plays the 'you're being PC, too' act.

    No. They're not. They're pointing out that you(and yes, I am including the staff and writers of reason in this) are doing something you go apoplectic--to the point of people losing their jobs or going to jail-- over if it's done to you.

  • esteve7||

    yes, this is because to leftists everything is a power game for control. They actually don't give a shit about if something is offensive, etc, it's only a way to control you.

    Obama is good because he supports good things, so you can't make fun of him at all.
    Trump is bad so anything goes with Trump.

    No contradiction in principles there. Or as the resident idiot, tony, would say on why you can't make fun of Obama:

    "Obama was cool and he didn't make many mistakes"

  • Free Society||

    God damn it I thought you were taking leave from Reason.

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    Robby took leave of his reason long ago.

  • Rhywun||

    Zing!

  • timbo||

    This would be an excellent time for the loser morons on the right to not act like the loser morons on the left.

    Sticks and stone american pussies!.

    And she has never been funny anyway.

  • Tony||

    I've seen her stand up show a few times, and she is good, but her niche is kind of exclusively "the gays."

    She is among the more prominent comedians who push the envelope deliberately, which is to say she is an ally for anyone who hates political correctness.

  • timbo||

    Except when she was on Seinfeld she was completely unfunny and annoying and that shtick is the only game she's got. Never once funny.

    In fact could be argued that she is still riding the coattails of those few appearances.
    Point being that she is no funnier than Saturday night live because she does the same obvious bitter political comedy that has never been funny. except of course to the sheep chorus that laps up everything they are told.

  • Tony||

    She does celebrity gossip stuff and hardly any politics in her routine. You don't know what you're talking about.

  • timbo||

    I don't know anything about her because I am smart enough to not watch her.
    She is not funny and she is fucking ugly too.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    I believe she has a smallish, but very dedicated, fanbase.

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    "I've seen her stand up show a few times, and she is good"

    The clearest insight into Tony's mental problems right there.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    "And she has never been funny anyway."

    I used to watch that show, "News Radio." That's the only thing I know her from. It had a great ensemble cast: Phil Hartman, Dave Foley, and Joe Rogan among others. The radio station owner, who would appear occasionally, was played by the great Stephen Root.

    As I recall, both Cathy and Andy Dick played characters who were so annoying they were funny. In other words, it probably didn't require a huge stretch for either of them.

    The show went off the air back in the 90s (possibly when Phil Hartman died, I'm not sure if that was the reason). This is the first of heard of her since then.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Ah, a common mistake. Vicki Lewis was on Newsradio, while Kathy Griffin was in the far inferior office comedy Suddenly Susan.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    You are right!

    It was Vicki Lewis who played the redhead on that show. My mistake.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    You owe Vicki Lewis an apology.

  • Jerryskids||

    something something sauce something something gander. Stop playing by self-imposed rules - had somebody posed with the severed head of Obama you know damn well it'd be the worstest thing ever, there'd by marches and boycotts and demands being made, all of it covered 24/7 by an approving media. I say we go burn down whatever university Griffin attended or last appeared at or had anybody speak a word of defense on her behalf. Or loot a liquor store at least. To hell with reason and logic and principles, that's the oppressive tools of the racist, sexist, heteronormative Western patriarchy which must be smashed.

  • Tony||

    Why is it when the right does something, that too is the left's fault?

  • Free Society||

    Is that a response to anything he actually wrote?

  • Jerryskids||

    Hey, when you're calling for going Attila the Hun on everybody's asses they're all "the left".

  • EscherEnigma||

    Seriously? Obama was hung in effigy multiple times during his presidency. And as you're demonstrating, outage didn't last.

  • Meh.||

    I'm glad you brought that up, because I was about to say something about that too. It seems like the key difference in coverage is celebrity status, and maybe part of what causes some conservatives (not all, but at least some of the younger ones in my news feed) to go a little overboard on the outrage is that conservatives don't really have many celebrities with a lot of exposure that will speak up for them. I mean, I know Griffin has a smaller platform than most, but Democrats have pretty much everyone in Hollywood backing them. Conservatives have... that guy from Duck Dynasty? That was the only celebrity I could remember off the top of my head who spoke out against Obama while he was office, and I think a lot of conservatives feel "punched down" on by celebrities.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Conservatives have... that guy from Duck Dynasty?

    What's Ted Nugent, chopped liver?

  • Harun||

    Hank Williams Jr.

    http://content.usatoday.com/co.....S9RtLpFx7U

    He was fired, of course.

  • Tak Kak||

    "But if you take up a pitchfork here, you may look a little foolish the next time you complain about political correctness run amok, or easily offended millennials, or safe spaces. If you care more about Trump's feelings than his very bad policies, you are the snowflake."

    They're fully aware, from what I can tell most aren't even shocked by the image. The complaining about political correctness really hasn't worked so instead of continuing to play defense they're going on the attack. May as well play the game.

  • Jerryskids||

    Exactly - "looking foolish" only matters if you give a shit about double standards, hypocrisy, consistency, i.e., if you're actually making a principled argument rather than an opportunistic attack. And "snowflakes" are anything but, they're cry-bullies who play at being offended as an excuse to claim their unprovoked attacks are self-defense. They pretend they've got principles, we pretend we have principles.

  • Tak Kak||

    It's a shame this is now the playing field but calling out hypocrisy while constantly being a noble loser won't change anything in your favor.

  • BearOdinson||

    So I can't link to the Twitter feeds from work. The article from Fox News is mostly about the Trump family saying that Griffin should be ashamed of herself. So what. I am sure EVERY POTUS' family would say the same thing in the same situation.

    Certainly if there are plenty of conservatives calling this a crime or whatever, then they are snowflakes. Agreed.

    But, I guess I really haven't seen it yet.

  • Free Society||

    To be sure, Robby likes to use tu quoque arguments where they don't apply to give cover to his friends on the left.

  • MikeP2||

    It's not a crime, but it is a big step closer to a crime then we've seen in the main stream political discourse. Griffin is no A-lister, but she is a well known name in media.
    .
    At some point, edgy comedy based around hatred of a political figure morphs into sedition. All it takes is an audience to start chanting and the 'comedian' to shout "who's going to step up?". yeh...a laugh riot that.

    What we all should recognize by now is that some people have utter lost their shit over politics, and that deep inside, they want to see an assassination or coup. Kathy, in her desperation to be relevant, is trying to feed on that.. Revolutions feed at the exact same well, which is why it's been a crime for a very long time to openingly talk about assassination and such.

    It's like one of the golden rules of firearms handling. 'treat every weapon as if it was loading and don't point it at something you don't intend to shoot'. could be readily modified to 'don't play around with assassination and sedition unless you are serious'

  • B.P.||

    Revolutions usually have more charismatic leaders.

  • Tony||

    How do you feel about Trump's routine hinting that his dumbfuck mobs should maybe consider murdering the members of the press who are in the room?

  • MikeP2||

    well,
    as a hypothetical, since that never happened? Sure. it would be a crime because inciting violence is something society has deemed unacceptable.

    While I recognize you are so steeped in partisan passions that speaking logically is pointless, I can't help but attempt to point out that inciting violence against individual citizens is an entirely different beast then inciting political violence. The former is individual, with a narrow range of victims. The latter affects a huge number of fellow citizens who participated in the election. Sedition is essentially a crime against 62million people. Some of the most bloody parts of history have resulted from comparable minor acts that got up in the face of too many fellow citizens. All of us can darn well imagine what would happen if this crap got out of hand, and Griffin should friggin know better then to play stupid childish games around such a topic.
    As I said, it's not a crime. But its darn closer to a crime then we've seen recently.

  • Tony||

    He's only president because the US's no. 1 foreign adversary had moles up and down his campaign and interfered with the election to help him win, so let's just throw the word "sedition" around when talking about obvious satire, why don't we?

    He's an actual fascist who hates the constitution and was installed by a foreign power. He's lucky we live in a more civilized time than the 40s.

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    He's only president because the US's no. 1 foreign adversary had moles up and down his campaign

    Since when has the left ever been pissed off about Russian spying? Oh, right, when Her Inevitability was wanting to start World War III with them.

    He's an actual fascist who hates the constitution and was installed by a foreign power.

    Heaven forbid.

  • Tony||

    We can debate the word "installed."

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Even you can't possibly actually believe that.

    Ye of little faith.

  • Subpoena'd Woodchipper||

    Your tin foil hat is showing....

    Don't go full Alex Jones on us, your "commentary", while colorful and completely off the rails, is entertaining.

    Why do you come here exactly? I mean, it can't be for the constructive banter

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    "routine hinting"

  • Cynical Asshole||

    What we all should recognize by now is that some people have utter lost their shit over politics, and that deep inside, they want to see an assassination or coup.

    Followed by French Revolution 2.0. Only this time with 30% more guillotines.

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    Robby, you promised you were going away for 3 months. Liar.

  • BYODB||

    Who is she, again?


    Just kidding, but in her younger days of (almost) glory I doubt she would have apologized. It's sad to see comedians buckle under the weight of public opinion, but then again I suppose that's how you stay employed when you're past your prime.


    Nice try, Kathy, a swing and a miss.

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    I'm guessing Griffin is of the school that believes, any press is good press.

  • esteve7||

    You should never apologize for a joke because by definition it is a joke and not serious. If you are offended that is on YOU, not the comedian.

    Having said that though, hoe is this possibly a "joke"? It was only called a joke after the fact. This was a smug leftist attack just like all the other crap celebrities pull. Sargon summed it up well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svOIZ0L_-pE

  • Rhywun||

    I haven't seen it but I can only imagine it's funny in the same way that Samantha Bee is funny: i.e. not in the least.

  • Tony||

    Of course this offensive abomination is plastered atop Drudge. Why won't Drudge think of poor Barron!

  • Hank Phillips||

    I´ve never heard of the gal, but this strikes me as much ado about nothing. Neither did I understand the reference to the Southpark thing (I don't watch the telescreens). I was under the impression that native-born Ted Cruz was president of Canada. Wot gives?

  • Jevioso||

    Yep, just another example of conservatives emulating radical leftists.

    That's the way it goes: leftists find some new way of corrupting common sense and reason, conservatives say, "Hmmm, we want to do that too" and voila, parcels of liberty are flushed down the totalitarian drain.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Wait a minute... Griffin was fired from CNN, why... why was she working for CNN?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    New Years Eve, the most important news story of any year.

  • pan fried wylie||

    Theory: thanks to this kerfuffle, her employment at CNN was brought to the attention of a CNN executive who asked that very question.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I like this theory because it's the funniest.

  • ||

    it's not that it's Trump's head. it's that we live in a world where this actually happens regularly now. it's disrespectful to those that have been brutally murdered that way to mock it, to make it a joke.

    it would be like using skeletal survivors of Auschwitz in a joke in 1946. there is nothing fucking funny about it.

  • Tony||

    Holocaust jokes are the best.

  • esteve7||

    driving down south, passing Harris Ranch. It's like a cow death camp...... you could almost call it "Cowschwitz".

    Prepare to go to hell because you laughed at that.

  • lap83||

    But if you take up a pitchfork here, you may look a little foolish the next time you complain about political correctness run amok, or easily offended millennials, or safe spaces. If you care more about Trump's feelings than his very bad policies, you are the snowflake.

    I couldn't care less about Trump's feelings, but you are complaining about people complaining about Kathy Griffin's stupid joke. No one is discussing his policies, including you, so what is the difference?

  • Cynical Asshole||

    No one is discussing his policies, including you, so what is the difference?

    This. If Trump was smart, he'd take this opportunity to sign a bunch of Executive Orders while everyone is distracted by Kathie Griffin's idiocy.

  • MikeT1986||

    I wonder if they realize they're wind up dolls for his amusement?

  • Cynical Asshole||

    He is the Alpha Troll of Reason.

  • Subpoena'd Woodchipper||

    Alpha Troll, but Beta Male

  • Bubba Jones||

    I don't have a problem with hanging politicians in effigy, or just their heads.

    This seems like a very traditional form of protest.

    The irony is when it comes from rich people.

    I get why CNN fired her. They don't want her distracting from their NYE ratings. But let's be serious. How many Trump supporters are going to watch CNN on NYE when Fox News has their own program? Who would you rather have on the TV? Kathy Griffin or any of the usual Fox News babes?

  • Meh.||

    Yeah, it was wayyy too gory. Just looking at it made me feel physically sick.

  • Subpoena'd Woodchipper||

    "From what I could see on the Today show" - are you a sadist? Why would you do that to yourself?

  • Tony||

    Kathy Griffin. There's an internet for looking at babes with nothing interesting or funny to say.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    Remember all that brew haha over a rodeo clown wearing an Obama mask?

    I guess Griffin is trying to out do him.

  • Harun||

    Hank Williams Jr. was fired for comparing Obama to Hitler.

    Now...any celebrities compare Trump to Hitler yet?

    Will they be fired?

    The key with standards is they have to be applied to both sides. Otherwise, expect one side to weaponize and thus chill free speech. That's the argument for taking scalps. (See Ace of Spades on this.)

  • LifeStrategies||

    Hitler was the elected head of the Nazi party whose full name is NAtional soZIalistische deutsche arbeiter partei - which literally translates from German as the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

    Socialists hate the fact that the Nazi party was a National Socialist party with the same strong gun control agenda, the same strong social programs, the same government control of education, the same government control of the economy, and the same emphasis on government jobs and worker's rights as modern socialists.

    There's also the same Nazi brownshirt violence against those who refuse to follow their left-wing agenda (history calls it brownshirt violence because they dressed in brownshirts to easily identify attackers from their victims, today they're masked and dress in black but still violent).

    How is much if any of this clearly distinguishable from Obama and Democratic policies?

    Democrats along with Socialists frequently try to rewrite history by referring to Nazi as right-wing whereas in truth Nazi is actually left-wing and socialist.

  • XM||

    I'm not aware of anyone from the reputable side of the right calling for a Griffin to be prosecuted. Breitbart is obviously going to be upset, but one of their writers opining that this "might" be a crime is not one the level of leftist mobs.

    There's a difference "picking up a pitchfork" over a truly offensive stunt and snowflakes getting upset at white people selling copycat Mexican burritos. Obama was behind plenty of bad policies but I would be horrified at seeing any mainstream conservative figure holding up a disfigured dummy head of Barack Obama, a pose that clearly mimics ISIS holding up severed heads of their victims. Yes, I would very much care about his "feelings" as well as his family's. Robby should probably reconsider the last line of the article.

    Yeah, I'm aware of rodeo clowns, Ted Nugent, and burning Obama effigies. There are Trump pinatas and effigies too. But this is on another level - the libs would condemn "art" depicting graphic rape of the Obama kids more vociferously than a rodeo clown wearing a George Bush mask.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    While, unlike others, I freely admit that I find value in shows of judging others by their own supposed standards, when will people learn to ignore this kind of thing? Is vying for the title of Most Outraged really worth this much of your social media time?

    And speaking of value, hasn't President Trump devalued the office yet? How long is this going to take?

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    I don't care if Griffin or anybody else insults politicians. Politicians are scum. But the Left likes to go on and on about how superior they are, morally, intellectually, artistically. This little episode (and little it is, or should be) does nothing to convince me that they are one bit better than those they look down on. Shit, a fifth-grader could have thought this stunt up.

  • Tony||

    "But the left..."

    Just shut the fuck up. You people are so stupid it's painful. Nobody on "the left" has any power in this country any more. You people are autistic with this crap. No remotely intelligent person could stand to listen to or watch whatever fat propagandists you get this mindless zombie nonsense from for more than 5 minutes.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    Great way to prove his point.

  • Tony||

    The point being "I'm a whiny little bitch who blames everything on anonymous leftists because a fat man on teevee told me to"?

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    The point being "I'm a whiny little bitch who blames everything on anonymous leftists because a fat man on teevee told me to"?

    As opposed to, "I'm a whiny little bitch who blames everything on anonymous rightists because a cable teevee host told me to"?

  • Tony||

    I blame everything on Republicans only because they are actually responsible for all the problems in the country.

  • DOOMco||

    ...

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    What was that you said about valuing facts over dogmatic certainty? LOL

  • DOOMco||

    it's fucking 3 comments down, and he still doesn't get it.

  • Tony||

    An opinion based on observation alone.

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    I blame everything on Republicans only because they are actually responsible for all the problems in the country

    You misspelled, "my persistent daddy issues."

  • Tony||

    My daddy's fairly apolitical. He likes to hang out on his boat and chill mostly.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""The point being "I'm a whiny little bitch who blames everything on anonymous leftists because a fat man on teevee told me to"?""

    Uh no.

    "But the Left likes to go on and on about how superior they are, morally, intellectually, artistically"

    That.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|5.31.17 @ 3:44PM|#
    "The point being "I'm a whiny little bitch who blames everything on anonymous leftists because a fat man on teevee told me to"?"

    The point being that YOU are a lying pile of shit.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    LOL, they talk just like you do. "You people"...you're so outraged I dare to speak this way to my betters!

    Come on, for fuck's sake. Griffin is not only one of you good sensitive progressives but also a professional comedienne. This is her best shot? A novice would be fucking embarrassed.

    Your smugness would be a bit more tolerable if you had something to back it up with.

  • Tony||

    I don't think she claimed this was her "best shot," and in fact apologized profusely for it. Which is a shame, because I admire Ms. Griffin largely because she is an enemy of political correctness.

    But you're too fucking brain-pickled and tribal to care about anything other than the fact that she doesn't vote for Republicans.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    Swing and a miss! You're too fucking brain-pickled and tribal to understand that somebody who doesn't worship Hillary Clinton is not necessarily a Republican.

    My only point--which you're doing your damnedest to dodge--is that a group of people who have crowned themselves my superiors aren't superior to the lint in my navel.

  • Tony||

    We're superior primarily because we value facts above dogmatic certainty, while you don't.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    If you ever actually demonstrate that I'll seriously consider it. But lately junk like this Griffin stunt is all I see.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|5.31.17 @ 4:08PM|#
    "We're superior primarily because we value facts above dogmatic certainty, while you don't."

    You're a lying pile of shit.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    We're superior primarily because we value facts above dogmatic certainty, while you don't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpGO2VTksIw

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    I guess part of my problem, too, is my age. I can remember when comics lambasted Reagan in the '80s. I laughed my ass off...and I was a Republican back then! Why? Because it was good comedy. It was seriously goddamn funny. Nowadays...just pathetic.

  • DOOMco||

    I just wanted The Daily Show to actually rip on Obama like they did Bush. I thought it was hilarious when they were making 'bush is stupid' jokes in 07.
    But, like the onion, 08 happened, and the next few years of political comedy continued to be pointed at republicans. Didn't offend me, I came from the left. It saddened me, because I realized that it wasn't comedy.

  • Tony||

    Every time they tried it felt painfully forced. He was very difficult to make fun of because he was cool and didn't make many mistakes.

  • DOOMco||

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

  • tgrondo||

    "Obama was cool and he didn't make many mistakes"???

    Obama wasn't cool....he was a dumb-shit politician.... like all other politicians!!!

    I get it, you're a big fan...But.....Holy Crap man....Get a grip!!!!

  • HenryC||

    Ms. Griffin is not only against PC she is a jerk. She has always been a jerk. I have never liked her act and am glad to see her go. Still, she had every right to do what she did and be a jerk. I would not hire her though. Bill Maher is not politically correct, but he is not a jerk.(or only rarely one).

  • XM||

    "Nobody on "the left" has any power in this country any more."

    Progressive white males pretty much run finance, information, and entertainment of the nation. They just don't have a rep in the white house.

  • GiveMeLibertyOrHandouts||

    (t)reason.com supporting this very, very obvious assassin. SAD!

  • Ship of Theseus||

    If you took away their retarded insults, they'd have nothing left.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Hey, I have a serious question. Did Griffin appropriate Islam with this stunt? Discuss.

  • timbo||

    I think she has appropriated one of the letters in lgbtqricn.

    She is one disagreeable looking skank.

  • Darth Soros||

    I thought at first that Trump could retaliate with a photo of him holding a mock-up of Griffin's severed, bloody head. But who'd believe it? What would Trump want with something that empty and ugly? Maybe use it as an umbrella stand, I guess.

  • Brandybuck||

    Yesterday no one knew who Kathy Griffin was.

    Today she's the darling of the left that people can't stop talking about.

  • NoVaNick||

    I must admit that I confused her with Kathy Lee Gifford for a second...but yeah, she's a B-list proggie celeb.

  • Robbzilla||

    Nah, I knew who she was from her past life as an actress in a decent TV show. News Radio was solid.

  • Robbzilla||

    Nah, I knew who she was from her past life as an actress in a decent TV show. News Radio was solid.

  • NoVaNick||

    The only thing more retarded than this prank is the prankster.

  • Glide||

    Conservatives calling for criminal charges are stupid.

    Breitbart is not an appropriate example to use in leveling charges of stupidity and snowflak-ism against all conservatives. It is just Salon except red.

    EVERY SINGLE THING that happens these days is an excuse to talk about how morally bankrupt the left or the right is. Can we get back to a bit of individualism, please?

    Actual takeaways from this:
    1) Kathy Griffin did something extremely crude and tacky, and any private citizen who wants to stop associating with her can do so.
    2) You and I should probably not pose with the severed head of the president.
    3) There are actual things that affect our lives going on while this happens, like a healthcare debate, confirmation of a circuit court judge, and overly strict crackdowns on random things peripheral to the child sexual abuse world, and society is essentially ignoring them because dumb blind outrage over some famous name sells better.

  • NoVaNick||

    3) There are actual things that affect our lives going on while this happens,

    Yeah-but those other things are sooo boring/sarc

  • Harun||

    Are they really calling for charges?

    Or are they following the NAACP who wanted a DOJ investigation of a rodeo clown?

  • Cynical Asshole||

    If you care more about Trump's feelings than his very bad policies, you are the snowflake.

    It's snowflakes all the way down anymore. Everyone's butthurt and perpetually offended by something, why should conservatives be any different?

  • Ship of Theseus||

    And it's not like it's anything new.

  • Zeb||

    I think it's mostly people pretending to be snowflakes for dramatic effect. But it is to be expected.

  • HenryC||

    Actually Trump's policies are no were near as bad as his statements. He would not be too bad if he kept his mouth shut more.

  • Zeb||

    Jesus Christ, people. This is the thread that gets ~200 comments? You make me sad.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Of course. Tony's upthread flinging his special brand of shit all over the thread, and people just can't help but to respond to it.

  • SIV||

    Take out the Tulpas and it won't break 120.

  • Procyon Rotor||

    "Nobody on 'the left' has any power in this country any more."

    This might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard from you Tony, and that is a mighty high bar to clear.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    I don't know, he's in rare form today. Just from this thread alone:

    Tony|5.31.17 @ 3:46PM|#

    I'm just saying, in my lifetime we've had two popular-vote losers ascend to the presidency, and they have successively been the worst presidents in history. ...
    ...
    Tony|5.31.17 @ 3:43PM|#

    When have I been a big proponent of expansive presidential power?
    ...
    Tony|5.31.17 @ 4:02PM|#

    He's only president because the US's no. 1 foreign adversary had moles up and down his campaign and interfered with the election to help him win, so let's just throw the word "sedition" around when talking about obvious satire, why don't we?

    He's an actual fascist who hates the constitution and was installed by a foreign power. He's lucky we live in a more civilized time than the 40s.
    ...
    Tony|5.31.17 @ 3:59PM|#

    I blame everything on Republicans only because they are actually responsible for all the problems in the country.
    ...

    And the cherry on top of the derp sundae:

    Tony|5.31.17 @ 4:08PM|#

    We're [progtards] superior primarily because we value facts above dogmatic certainty, while you don't.
    ...

  • Not a Libertarian||

    But is everything that is posted under this Tony! Toni! Toné! character's handle to be taken at face value?

    Not suggesting that the guy or gal is totally fake

    But I sometimes that y'all take turns posting under that handle just to argue.

    Why would any sane person log onto a website (with which they disagree philosophically) simply to be called a dumb-fuck over and over again?

  • Not a Libertarian||

    But I sometimes that y'all take turns posting under that handle just to argue.

    "But I sometimes _think_ that y'all take turns posting under that handle just to argue."

  • HenryC||

    He President because Hillary was a terrible candidate. Yes she won the popular vote, but we live in a Republic, not a democracy, and Trump won the republic.

  • John B. Egan||

    I don't get the absurd overreaction to what was a political statement. She held up Donald's head which was bleeding from every pore. This was just her way of emphasizing his disgusting public statement about Megyn Kelly, which he has never apologized for: "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever,".. At what point is it OK for a presidential candidate to say that and nobody can call him out for his BS later?

  • Mongo||

    Agreed -- It's an effete shtick bordering on vaudeville.

    However, it's a cool horror prop!

  • Radioactive||

    Quells diuche?

  • Radioactive||

    Douche...dames auto spell

  • Harun||

    Hank Williams Jr. lost a gig because he compared Obama to Hitler.

    So...anyone famous compare Trump to Hitler yet?

    A lot of famous people. Since they haven't been fired, it probably means Trumps' America is less Hitlerian than Obama's America. Ironic.

  • ToCa81||

    Dumped by squatty potty. That's pretty shitty.

  • Mongo||

    It's political Grand Guignol.

    Like the barf-inducing Naked Trump imagery that you see everywhere, the Decapitated Trump is now overdone and too predictable.

    Yeah, when I think 'danger' I don't think of a Hollywood faghag....sheesh.

  • Skeebo||

    What it wasn't was funny. Then again, she never really was.

  • qoheleth||

    Agreed. I read this as a publicity stunt and possibly (granting more sagacity than she likely deserves) an attempt to make the far right look silly as they go crazy over it. I don't believe it's anything but noise with no intention of following through with any physical action.
    It's in extremely poor taste, but shouldn't be taken as anything more than an indication of poor judgment on her part.
    Suppose someone sees the picture and thinks, "That would be a good idea to actually try." She can't really be held responsible for someone else's sociopathy either.
    So, harm, foul, but no real danger. I'd pretty much ignore it and let her career continue to disappear.

  • Locris||

    Well Robby, then convince the folks at Reason to put any of the many available images of Obama in a noose on the next front cover.
    After all, stand up for silly images, and the freedom to do so.

  • Crowster||

    Why spend any time on this? It's nothing but a desperate publicity stunt and reacting to it simply feeds it and gives it credibility. All she's done is potentially traded co-hosting a show that came on once a year on CNN for potential political martyrdom which might get her a year's worth of good feelies with the Hollywood crowd and a talk show tour. It's not as much a political statement as it is an attempt to prop up a flagging career. If people pay attention she can cry that Trump and his cronies tried to ruin her career instead of the real truth which is her career cratered about ten years ago and she can't get a job pumping gas in Hollywood at the moment. This should go in the category of pathetic attention grab not noble political resistance.

    The irony is that if you watch her previous stuff she made her career poking fun at the very people to which she is now pandering, meaning the Hollywood crowd. I wonder if they'll hold their noses and embrace her or simply ignore it like the rest of us should?

  • Bacon-Magic glib reasonoid||

    I miss picking on you Robbo.

  • Robbzilla||

    She shouldn't go to jail.

    Losing her livelihood for being an asshole, on the other hand, is fine with me. If nobody every wants to give this horrid person another dime to "entertain" them, that's fine. I really have no use for her, and would love to see her end up working as a night security guard at a warehouse in Toledo or something else with no contact with the public. As long as it's voluntary on the part of the people paying her, I have no complaints.

  • swampwiz||

    It seems to me that Barack Hussein Obama II had a lot of this disgusting parody done against him, but that was alright according to a lot of conservatives. In any case, it was the rise of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh et al that had begun this coarsening of the political landscape

  • HenryC||

    I never saw any of the disgusting parody against Obama. I read a lot about it, but never really saw it. The worst I saw were some clown face cartoons, none with violence done to him.

  • Stephdumas||

    Youtube vlogger Tommy Sotomayor give a good rant about this and do a comparo when Michael Richards had once said the "n-word" in stage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2VjhTKZ3ME

    And enjoy some parodies and editorial toons of Kathy Griffin mentionned on Moonbattery posted by a guy nicknamed Ted. ;-)
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=84730

  • HenryC||

    I totally agree both that she had the right to do what she did and CNN was right to fire her for it. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean there won't be consequences.

  • Hank Phillips||

    The hoary yet still popular German magazine Der Spiegel published a similar image on its cover in February. On a red background is a beefy yellow-haired Trumpish-looking gentleman with a knife in one hand and the bloody severed head of Lady Liberty in the other, captioned America First. So where's the outrage over that? It was hand-wringingly covered in the Washington Post et alii and nobody fired the male artist Edel Rodriguez. If I were a militant feminist this would look like... discrimination--or maybe the depiction by a Tea Party YAFer or a pagan atheist desecration of the Savior.

  • billstewart||

    Kathy Griffin's being punished for political incorrectness. Because, yes, it's still political incorrectness when right-wing snowflakes are offended by something; they seem to think that it's a bad habit only those liberal liberals have, and that when its *their* politics, it's perfectly legitimate.

  • Hank Phillips||

    Charlie Hebdo--a French commie humor mag--posted the beheading cover of Des Spiegel AND a shot of former East German communist solder Angela Merkel displaying the severed head of her defeated opponent in the race for Chancellor of the Reich. No shrieks and fainting spells over that.
    It is true that since the Liberal Party wrote the repeal plank the Dems copied and won 5 elections in a row mystical altruist Republicans are pissed and refer to liberals the same way Hitler did. All this does is tip their hand (as mystical bigots), prove the looters correct when they point to coercive christians and yell "fascisti", and it makes Canadians, Australians and British subjects cringe at the ignorant abuse of their native language.

  • Sanjuro Tsubaki||

    Yes, yes. Let's all be fair and REASONable now. Sure, she may be just another modern, progressive fearless grrrrlll comedian/harridan who stars bawling in front of the camera when it becomes clear that he has in fact crossed a line, alienated even her own addled fanbase, and possibly torpedoed her career. But she meant well. After all, Trump is a mean person and she's a another left winger.

  • Hank Phillips||

    One comment I found elsewhere is that it LOOKS like the redhead, Der Spiegel and Charlie Hebdo are all imitating Mohammed's Saracen Berserkers--something one would normally expect only from other religious conservatives... like Republican lawmakers.

  • LifeStrategies||

    But Griffin defended her actions, tweeting: "OBVIOUSLY, I do not condone ANY violence by my fans or others to anyone, ever! I'm merely mocking the Mocker in Chief."

    But condoning violence was exactly what she did, so she's lying. It's not at all OBVIOUS, that she doesn't condone violence, and she pretends she doesn't even know that ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS. She's only trying to refute her actions with such lies because of the backlash.

    How do you condone violence? One way is to hold up a severed head, one realistic enough to disturb an 11-year old.

    Does she claim ISIS is not condoning violence by holding up severed heads? No. Nobody thinks that, and America obviously doesn't either.

  • No Yards Penalty||

    Who the hell is Kathy Griffin?

  • Charles Hurst Author||

    They've been nothing but violent and allowed to be so. So it may be time to call to arms
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWMy9NQ1z6E

  • Praveen R.||

    She has every right to do what she did. But I found her silly with her crying about her career ruined. If you are going to be stupidly tone deaf, then face the PR consequences. And what is the need for her to parade Lisa Bloom a lawyer? Who was suiing her for her to need a lawyer?

    But I do find it funny how Ted Nugent thinks she was out of line. Seriously?

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