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Gorilla Boy's Mom Shouldn't Be Burned at the Stake

If the manhole in front my apartment suddenly blew up, I wouldn't blame a nearby mom.

HarmbeScreenshot via Viral Hog / YoutubeThe account below seems to capture the shocking and chaotic scene at the Cincinnati Zoo, where a toddler wiggled his way into the gorilla exhibit and had to be saved, unfortunately by zookeepers shooting Harambe, the 400-pound gorilla holding onto him. The gorilla died. The boy has been treated and released from the hospital.

The public has, naturally, weighed in on this, as if any of us in our armchairs have insights as to what was happening or should have happened. Many people are livid that the zookeepers killed the animal, but just as many seem to be blaming the kid's mom. Because of course, bad things only happen to the children of bad parents, and parents who are distracted are freakishly awful. And so this outrageous meme is going around:

GorillaMemegenerator

Here, then, is what appears to be an eyewitness's firsthand account of the horrible afternoon (lifted from Facebook):

My family and I decided to go to the zoo yesterday after visiting my neice at Cincinnati Childrens hospital. For those of you that have already heard, there was a terrible accident there yesterday. And since every news media has covered this story, I don’t feel bad telling our side. This was an accident! ! A terrible accident, but just that! My husband’s voice is the voice talking to the child in one of the videos. I was taking a pic of the female gorilla, when my eldest son yells, “what is he doing? ” I looked down, and to my surprise, there was a small child that had apparently, literally “flopped” over the railing, where there was then about 3 feet of ground that the child quickly crawled through! ! I assumed the woman next to me was the mother, getting ready to grab him until she says, “Whose kid is this? ” None of us actually thought he’d go over the nearly 15 foot drop, but he was crawling so fast through the bushes before myself or husband could grab him, he went over! The crowed got a little frantic and the mother was calling for her son. Actually, just prior to him going over, but she couldn’t see him crawling through the bushes! She said “He was right here! I took a pic and his hand was in my back pocket and then gone!” As she could find him nowhere, she lookes to my husband (already over the railing talking to the child) and asks, “Sir, is he wearing green shorts? ” My husband reluctantly had to tell her yes, when she then nearly had a break down! They are both wanting to go over into the 15 foot drop, when I forbade my husband to do so, and attempted to calm the mother by calling 911 and assure her help was on the way. Neither my husband or the mother would have made that jump without breaking something! I wasn’t leaving with my boys, because I didn’t trust my husband not to jump in and the gorilla did just seem to be protective of the child. It wasn’t until the gorilla became agitated because of the nosey, dramatic, helpless crowd; that the gorilla violently ran with the child! And it was very violent; although I think the gorilla was still trying to protect, we’re taking a 400 lb gorilla throwing a 40 lb toddler around! It was horrific! The zoo responded very quickly, clearing the area and attempting to save both the child and the gorilla! The right choice was made. Thank God the child survived with non-life threatening, but serious injuries! This was an open exhibit! Which means the only thing separating you from the gorillas, is a 15 ish foot drop and a moat and some bushes! ! This mother was not negligent and the zoo did an awesome job handling the situation! Especially since that had never happened before! ! Thankful for the zoo and their attempts and my thoughts and prayers goes out to this boy, his mother and his family.

The local TV station WLWT5 explained that the gorilla was not simply tranquilized “because when the animal is agitated, [zoo director Thane] Maynard said, the tranquilizer may not take effect right away. This was the first time Cincinnati Zoo officials have killed an animal in this manner, Maynard said. The zoo also said this is the first security breach at Gorilla World since it opened in 1978.”

When something terrible does not happen, ever, I’d say we are allowed to assume it won’t happen. If the manhole in front of my apartment suddenly blew up and injured a kid, I don’t think I’d blame the kid's mom for letting him wander out of her sight momentarily.

When we are faced with sudden sadness, we have a few choices. We can sigh. We can pray. We can donate—for instance, to an animal sanctuary. We can commit ourselves to trying to make the world a better place, if only to feel less despair. Or we can force ourselves to understand that the incomprehensible—especially sudden death—either has a bigger meaning (it’s part of God’s plan) or it doesn’t (fate is fickle).

What is easier than all of these is to sink into the sewer of self-righteousness and pretend that if only someone had been doing what we believe we would have done in that unpredictable situation, everything would be peachy. That way we get to feel smug and angry—a heady combination. And the perfect kindling for the burning of witches, or the crafting of national legislation.

Let’s try not to go down either of those roads as we mourn Harambe.

Photo Credit: Screenshot via Viral Hog / Youtube

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  • grrizzly||

    Finally, reason is covering the most important current news.

  • RBS||

    Hey, if not for this I never would have known how many zookeepers I know.

  • albo||

    Yeah, but which restroom does the gorilla use?

  • Zeb||

    Well, it is Skenazy's beat.

  • SQRLSY One||

    Gorilla mom should be impregnated with a gorilla blastocyst, and forced to bring it to term, to make up for the gorilla life that she has destroyed, by not micro-managing her son.

    'Cause every gorilla has a soul, and gorilla-killing is murder! God told me so! Whatever God tells me, is The Holy Word, and other people's opinions or desires don't matter!

    (Whether or not the gorilla was a tranny, is irrelevant. And if the gorilla was secretly, inwardly, an elephant, in need of a publically-funded species-change surgical operation, is flat-out IRRELEPHANT!!!!)

  • RBS||

    Killing an endangered animal is literally worse than murder.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    The predominant reaction to the killing of the gorilla makes me loathe today's society.

    It's a fucking 400-lb wild animal. It's not your stupid domesticated cat whose pics you share on your retarded Facebook account. Morons.

  • rudehost||

    My loathing only goes to 11. I need a new loathing amp that goes to some number that needs exponents to express on a single sheet of paper.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    Over 9000?

  • Zeb||

    Meh. Not surprising. Sort of like how cops killing dog stories get more outraged comments than cops killing people stories.

  • Juice||

    Right. It's an critically endangered species, not a housecat, of which we have way too many.

  • Kevin47||

    How many giant gorillas do we need, exactly, that I am supposed to be worked up over this?

  • spqr2008||

    I'm less concerned about the gorilla, since he was a product of a breeding program (from Brownsville, Texas), and they have his samples to impregnate other gorillas with. And the woman is probably right. Without the crowd freaking him out, the gorilla likely would have continued to watch the kid until the gorilla was called away by trainers. And the way he "violently" carried him is pretty typical of how male apes deal with carrying baby apes (which is why they generally aren't let near them for a year or so in captivity).

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    Didn't mean you specifically, RBS.

    I assume you were being sarcastic.

  • Princess Trigger||

    Can we blame the whole city of Cincinnati?

  • Citizen X||

    That's usually a safe place to start.

  • JW||

    I'm actually OK with this.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    - 1 disgusting concoction of spiced meat and cheese over a plate of pasta.

  • JW||

    I bet that you thought that Jennifer was hotter than Bailey.

    You disgust me....

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I am on Team Smithers, sir. How dare you!

  • JW||

    Jolly good, sir. I retract my accusation and shall lead the boys in a rousing round of song in your honor!

  • yet another dave||

    +1 "as god is my witness I thought turkeys could fly"

  • robc||

    I could go for some skyline cheese coneys.

  • Mr Drew||

    Hey now... take it easy. Some of us live here.

    I appreciate some Lenore's piece but the sub headline is hardly fair.
    Let's not rush to hang this woman but let's also not rush to excuse her.
    For the record I think the zoo made the right call. While the gorilla sure seemed like it was being protective, that can change in a heartbeat. Crappy options all around.

  • toolkien||

    No, just Pete Rose.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Sizzlin'.

  • RBS||

    Thank you for your keen insight into not only this specific mother/son relationship but parenting worldwide.

  • commodious spittoon||

    It's a troll. There is no point in responding to it.

  • Rhywun||

    Reasonable is your friend. Although I wish he would add an option to hide all responses to trolls in addition to the troll themself.

  • JW||

    Just added the twat to the list.

    Buh-bye!

  • Libertymike||

    Instead of hoping that you suffer the same fate as the Detroit dogs, perhaps we should hope that you suffer the same fate as the young boy would have but for the zookeeper's intervention.

  • Libertymike||

    Do I have to spell out that my post was directed at shreek or is this post just superfluous?

  • SugarFree||

    Oh, fuck off. The whining is worse than the sockpuppeting.

  • Citizen X||

    Sad!

  • SugarFree||

    It's been like this since I outed his puppet. Now it's all butthurt and sucking up to the yokels.

  • WTF||

    Let the strong wind of mushroom country blow across the annihilated enemy fairyland!!

  • Citizen X||

    Actually, the copying/pasting is worse.

  • SugarFree||

    Actually, the copying/pasting is worse.

  • ||

    aw shit... you both really are Tulpa

  • SugarFree||

    aw shit... you both really are Tulpa

  • waffles||

    aw shit... you both really are Tulpa

  • ||

  • Citizen X||

    Let the strong wind of mushroom country blow across the annihilated enemy fairyland!!

  • waffles||

    Actually, the copying/pasting is worse.

  • DenverJ||

    Saying mean things to you is mean and rude, but it won't really cause you any physical harm, and if your psyche is so delicate that insults from strangers on the internet cause you mental anguish, then perhaps you should stay off the internet, because there is a lot of that kind of behavior.
    Now, please stop whining.

  • Juice||

    Should I wish you the same fate as the gorilla? Who, by the way, was completely innocent in all this. I mean, look at it from his perspective. Here I am in captivity, living rather well, and then one day out of the blue this thing shows up in my pen and then with no warning, bam, dead.

  • Zeb||

    Are you a Burger King assistant manager?

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    It wasn’t until the gorilla became agitated because of the nosey, dramatic, helpless crowd; that the gorilla violently ran with the child!

    I'm not an expert on gorillas, but I've wondered about that: if things could have been worked out if everybody had simply stopped shrieking. Animals react to people on a basic emotional level; freaking out will freak them out.

  • RBS||

    if things could have been worked out if everybody had simply stopped shrieking

    Your patriarchy is showing.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    I'm not an expert on gorillas, but I've wondered about that: if things could have been worked out if everybody had simply stopped shrieking. Animals react to people on a basic emotional level; freaking out will freak them out.

    Sounds like today's voters and the collective media freakout about Trump, which only makes his cult followers freak out even more.

    We're all gorillas now!

  • WTF||

    Pretty much. We're three steps out of the cave with alot of fancy toys.

  • Slammer||

    Was the "Gorilla Boy's Mom" sequel as good as the original "Gorilla Boy"? I saw the original at the drive-in in 1973

  • Jerryskids||

    "Gorilla Boy's Mom" II or III? II was just a crude rip-off of "Curious George and The Rainy Day" but III was a straight-to-video triple-x with Andy Dick in a monkey costume.

  • SugarFree||

    The gorilla's family should receive a bill for the bullet.

  • Bling Boy||

    Nice

  • Juice||

    Really for the whole damned thing.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    If that was my kid in the gorilla pit, I would have jumped down there and popped that gorilla in the nose. I will do anything to protect my children.

  • Rhywun||

    Cool, more limbs to tear off.

    /gorilla

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    Great, more virtue signaling.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I would do anything for my children, and that includes fighting a gorilla. Yeah, I am that great of a parent .

  • Florida Hipster||

    Another reason not to have children. No impromptu gorilla fights.

  • RBS||

    See, I think of it as a bonus.

  • Playa Manhattan.||

    I'd rather do it the old fashioned way. Secret trip to Africa, and then have my dental practice protested.

  • Necron 99||

    Nothing like a good old fashioned monkey knife fight.

  • waffles||

  • GamerFromJump||

    Or maybe just calmly say, "Can I have him back? That's a nice monkey."

    Starting off violent is probably not the best way to deal with a creature that can rip off your arms and beat you with them.

  • Long Woodchippers||

    The gorilla would probably crush your skull for calling him a monkey.

  • commodious spittoon||

    “He was right here! I took a pic and his hand was in my back pocket and then gone!”

    MONSTER.

    The only solution is to manacle infants to their mothers at birth. The chains come off when the child turns 18 26.

  • Robert||

    David Paulides collects stories like this.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    Why do you want to put women in chains, you sexist TEAthuglikkkan pig?

  • commodious spittoon||

    If it saves just one child from tumbling into a gorilla enclosure...

    I mean, what was the mother thinking? She practically lobbed the child in there herself by failing to predict that her toddler would jump in.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    DCF should really kick down the family's front door, shoot the dog to death (they'll need the DEA or FBI for that) and snatch the child away. Upon which he will receive real abuse in a foster home.

    /justice

  • rollcast||

    Way to ruin the hysteria and finger-pointing fun. Please keep your rational thinking to yourself!

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    Yes, stop going after the mom. It's the child that sounds like an asshole.

  • commodious spittoon||

  • John||

    That is right. It is not like it is the kid's parents' responsibility to teach him to act any better. I mean, the kid is four, he should have figured all of this out by now. The parents are just bystanders at this point.

  • Zeb||

    Unless you are going to say that parents are obliged to maintain physical control over their children at all times, stuff like this can happen and sometimes will.
    Maybe they were bad parents. But 4 year olds are nuts and just do shit sometimes. I see no reason to assume anything about them.

  • Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper||

    Unless you are going to say that parents are obliged to maintain physical control over their children at all times...

    Yep, I'll go that far. If your kid could "go nuts and just do shit" and can't or shouldn't be held responsible for his or her actions, then, yes, you have an obligation to maintain control over him or her, physically if need be.

  • LarryA||

    Of course, if parents took your advice and "maintained physical control" over their kids, the kids would never learn not to jump into gorilla cages (or the equivalent) and parents would have to continue to "maintain control" forever.

    If you don't let kids grow up, they don't grow up.

    Like the college kids we're seeing who jump into "gorilla cages" and demand that "safe spaces" be provided by someone else.

  • MikeP2||

    false strawman. Letting your kids cross the street to meet friends, while watching secretly to make sure they look both ways is good parenting. Letting your kids cross the freeway by themselves is not.

    the former helps them learn responsibility and risk management. The latter is just effin ignorant.

  • MikeP2||

    Guessing you don't have kids.

    By 4 years old, a normal parent would have taught their kid to not do excessively stupid shit. Crawling over a fence and off a 15 foot drop easily falls into the category.
    .
    This is Darwinism in action. either the parents are too ignorant to raise proper kids, or the kid is deficient in basic self-preservation. Society would be better off letting nature take its course.

  • Zeb||

    Kid's are all assholes. Especially at that age. No regard or concern for anyone else or what they might want or need.

  • MikeP2||

    Bullshit. You obviously don't know many kids at that age.

    I suspect this family swims at the shallow end of the gene pool.

    shoulda tranked the gorilla and let the situation play out as natured intended.

  • Long Woodchippers||

    Shooting the gorilla with a tranquilizer would have pissed him off and it would still take at least another five minutes for him to start his nap. It only takes him a split-second to turn unfriendly.

  • Jerryskids||

    I think I've mentioned before my brother and his wife on a trip to Yellowstone seeing a crowd over in a corner of a pasture wandered over to see what they were looking at and upon realizing it was a couple of bear cubs decided the hell away from there was a good place to be. About the time they got halfway across the pasture a couple of park rangers showed up and started telling the crowd to get away and of course a bunch of them started getting huffy and indignant about how rude the rangers were. This same brother one time on a trip to a Florida nature preserve saw a group crowding around an alligator that had gotten up onto a footbridge and couldn't get off again. One guy grabbed the alligator by the tail and tried turning him around so he could get a better picture and was astonished when the alligator whipped around and snapped at his arm. People seriously are not aware that TV and movies ain't the real world and the wilderness is not a some big Disney set with wild animals being played by actors. They really do ask at the park ranger station where they keep the bears at night and what time they let them out in the morning and where are the bears right now so we can go see them and if it's okay to feed the bears this half-eaten ham sandwich I don't want.

  • Rhywun||

    Jesus... my cats snap at me if they get perturbed. I would not be surprised if dogs would too. These idiots have probably never owned a pet.

  • John||

    Or been around a large animal like a horse or a cow and realized how defenseless you really are in comparison.

  • Rhywun||

    I found out the hard way how much damage even a cat can do once when my landlord sent the bedbug dog over without giving me some time to lock them up.

  • John||

    My cat bit me in fear once and almost put me in the hospital. Those claws and teeth will do some real damage.

  • GILMORE™||

    Mah kitty blinded the neighbors little dog and it had to be put down.

    We insisted it must have been a raccoon. (we saw our cat do it. they didn't. family comes first!)

  • Rhywun||

    Jesus, how do you sleep at night?

    /JK

  • Citizen X||

    Probably pretty well, since the neighbors don't have a yappy little dog anymore.

  • GILMORE™||

    +1 Benji

  • ||

    How much to rent your cat for a weekend? My neighbors chide me for bringing my dog into the house if he starts barking because it makes them look like assholes for letting their dog bark incessantly. I want the cat for the neighbors, I actually like the dog.

  • GILMORE™||

    The aforementioned cat has been dead for about 20 years

  • ||

    Dammit.

    I guess I'll invite them to the zoo.

  • Lord at War||

    Horses can be real assholes... they'll let you walk around the stall all day til they get a perfect shot- then BOOM!- they kick the shit out of you.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    People seriously are not aware that TV and movies ain't the real world and the wilderness is not a some big Disney set with wild animals being played by actors. They really do ask at the park ranger station where they keep the bears at night and what time they let them out in the morning and where are the bears right now so we can go see them and if it's okay to feed the bears this half-eaten ham sandwich I don't want.

    +1 Elmyra Duff

  • LarryA||

    Timothy Treadwell lives here. (Or used to.)

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    "indignant about how rude the rangers were." I bet they'd love how friendly the mama bear would be.

    I was on a safari on my honeymoon in one of those heavy duty open-top "land rovers" (I forget the actual name). We shared the vehicle with our guide and another couple. We found a couple lions, both of which walked within a few meters of the car. The guide told us that we'd be fine, provided we don't make any sudden movements or noise. What did the other couple do? Freak out, make sudden movements and noise.

    Of course it turned out to be fine, but jesus christ listen to the damn guide.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I don't know why but there seems to be a loss of general knowledge that wild animals are often unpredictable and dangerous. Including wild animals that have lived their entire lives in a 'domesticated' situation. That Lion or Polar Bear or Wolf will never, EVER be like your golden retriever.

  • JW||

    I'm going to go with that most people are idiots.

  • rollcast||

    (Citation needed)

  • bshep19||

    Google "Human History".

  • ||

    A few years back we were in Yellowstone and saw the same foolishness. A grizzly bear and her two cubs had people getting OUT of their cars to take pictures. Bison grazing seemed to be a challenge for people to see just how close they could get. A still moose staring directly at noisy people seemed to hypnotize them and draw them closer. So many visitors treat it like a petting zoo.

    I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t seen these things but a guide told us of a father putting his little girl on top of a bison to get a picture. I think the only thing that prevents Yellowstone from becoming the deadliest place in America is that the animals have become comfortable with humans acting like idiots.

  • Juice||

    Oh cool! A wild horse. Let me pet him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doa7n4YDNJw

  • Hooha||

    My father and I came up with a fun game on our trip to Yellowstone; While driving, we would scan for a vista overlooking complex and varied - but mostly open - terrain. We would then pull onto the shoulder, exit the vehicle, and he would aim his camera out at nothing whilst I stood and pointed, talking excitedly (usually about Halo multiplayer. It was a long time ago)

    Score was kept by counting how many other cars would stop, their passengers emerging armed to the teeth with all the trappings of a sightseeing tourist, before someone asked us what we were observing, to which we would generally respond "people" before fleeing the scene.

    I think our high score was thirteen.

  • Set Us Up The Chipper||

    Camper!

  • yet another dave||

    Sadly, what these idiots generally accomish is forcing the animal to be put down. When I lived in the Northwest Territories they started putting up signs that said "a fed bear is a dead bear, please don't feed the wildlife". Didn't stop the tourists from getting too close though, they really do think they're harmless and cute. They'd get upset when I'd raise a stink and scare em off everytime one got close, especially cubs and yearlings. My response was always "I like bears, so I don't want to see it killed cause you're a dumbass".

  • Zeb||

    People seriously are not aware that TV and movies ain't the real world and the wilderness is not a some big Disney set with wild animals being played by actors.

    Nah, it's worse than that. People get killed by bears and alligators in movies all the time. If anything, they are more dangerous in fiction than in real life.
    I'd say that people think that when they are in a maintained tourist spot, they think that everything must be there for their entertainment and somehow under the control of top men. And some people are delusional idiots like that Grizzly Man asshole.

  • DaveSs||

    Just got back from Badlands NP.
    They have Bison running around.

    We saw a whole mess of them right by the road on Sunday. Sure enough while driving through the herd some idiot got out of his car about 30ft away from them. Dangerous enough when its only adult animals, but there were about 10 calves very close by as well.
    If they'd have decided he was a threat he wouldn't have even had time to dive into the window, let alone open the door and get in.

  • John||

    If you don't want the responsibility of controlling the kid, then don't have one. It is totally the parents' fault here and they deserve all the blame. The kid is 4. There is no excuse for him not knowing better than to do that. The parents both failed to teach him and absent teaching him failed to physically control him. If you don't want to teach your kid how to behave, it is going to get really hard for you once they get to be four and five and have the ability to really go mobile.

    Up to a certain age, we could debate on what that is but it is certainly more than four, parents are responsible for the actions of their children. This is why it is hard and stressful to be a parent. These people were neglectful and as a result their child was nearly killed and the gorilla was killed. Fuck them.

  • Rhywun||

    Meh, it's no more than a modest tragedy IMHO. Nobody deserves any major blame here.

  • John||

    I think they deserve massive blame. The only reason there wasn't a major tragedy is because the zoo keepers were able to shoot the gorillas before the kid was hurt. Had the kid crawled into a cage with a large carnivore like a Tiger or Lion, he likely would have been dead before anyone could do anything.

    I can't imagine how far you must have to have your head up your ass to let your kid fall into a zoo exhibit. And the kid just must not have ever been told no or in any way ever controlled to have made the move that quickly and gotten down there. Again, if you don't want to teach your kid to mind, then I suggest you get a good collar and a leash if you plan to go out in public.

  • RBS||

    I can't imagine how far you must have to have your head up your ass to let your kid fall into a zoo exhibit. And the kid just must not have ever been told no or in any way ever controlled to have made the move that quickly and gotten down there

    I guess this comes from all of your direct experience with 4 year olds.

  • John||

    There are zoos all over the world and they are filled with kids that age. And how many of them get into the gorilla enclosure? I don't think, "keep your kid from climbing over a fence and across a moat and into the gorilla cage" is exactly a high bar here.

  • John||

    If the kid had been playing in the yard and his parents not paying any attention and he had wondered out into the street and caused an accident, would you hold the parents responsible then? is there any negligence you would hold the parents accountable for no matter how dire the consequences?

  • JW||

    John, you should drive up there and let them know how awful they are. I'm sure they're just kickin' back, without a care in the world, with the crack pipe at this point.

  • John||

    I guess personal responsibility just isn't a thing for Libertarians anymore.

  • JW||

    Thank Zod we have you around here to always point our moral compasses to true north. We'd be lost without your limitless and omnipresent outrage.

    Seriously, you're the gift of courage that keeps on giving, whether we like it or not.

  • John||

    Again JW, do you think parents should be held accountable for anything?

  • Zeb||

    Kids are independent human beings. Unless you think they should be permanently shackled to their mothers, it is always possible that they might run off an do something dangerous. I don't think parents are accountable for every dumb thing a kid might do. Sometimes unfortunate things just happen.
    Maybe they were in this case. But I don't think we have any reason to assume they were.

  • Mr Drew||

    Agreed. The mom may be an idiot but it may have just been pure misfortune. Kids are slippery, boys especially.

    I struggle against bring too over protective and once lost sight of my then 4 year old at a crowd church summer fair. I came within seconds of causing a major scene before I spotted her. It happens.

    That said I would have absolutely gone in after my kid. I'm not claiming any high virtue. I'm not kidding myself that I'm going to "fight" a gorilla. But I think the genetic programming says you go.

  • Kevin47||

    "If the kid had been playing in the yard and his parents not paying any attention and he had wondered out into the street and caused an accident, would you hold the parents responsible then?"

    No.

  • MikeP2||

    Then, you sir, are an idiot.

  • Rhywun||

    I suggest you get a good collar and a leash

    Better yet, leave them home. 4 years old is too young to visit the zoo anyway.

    Of course the parents are technically at fault here but really the amount of attention this is receiving is just too much.

  • John||

    Again, four year old kids visit zoos every day without a problem. There is no defending or excusing the parents here.

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    She had other kids, right? And no, 4 years is not too young to visit the zoo. They love that shit. Which is evidenced by this kid wanting to go hug a gorilla.

  • Berserkerscientist||

    As in all cases like this, fault can be distributed to the Zoo, the parents, and if it is truly unforeseen, to chance (no fault). I'd probably assign 40% zoo, 30% parents and 30% chance.

    I have a hard time believing that no one ever foresaw that someone may wiggle into the enclosure. That is on the zoo. However, if the parents know the kid likes to explore and they didn't pay attention, that is on them.

    Of course, some things are freak accidents, like getting hit by a meteor.

  • John||

    I don't see anything accidental here. Is it foreseeable that a kid would do this? Maybe. But it has never happened before. At some point, the zoo has a right to expect some level of supervision and responsibility from its patrons. So it is entirely the parents' fault.

  • Lord at War||

    First incident in 38 years... I gotta figure that's at least a million 4 yr old children that never did this...

    Why do you blame the zoo?

  • Billy Bones||

    In 38 years this exhibit has been open, the millions of visitors with toddlers that visited this exhibit, and no instance of something like this. Then enter mom, busy taking her pictures (probably with a fucking selfie-stick), loses track of her child, very shortly after he announces that he would like to swim with the gorilla. Parents fault? You better fucking believe it is. You actually disappointed me with this one, Lenore.

    Also, an instance like this one also occurred at Brookfield Zoo in 1996. In that case, a female gorilla picked up the unconscious child, protected it, and gave him to zoo officials. No animals injured in that case.

  • Slay! Robby=Bae. Sashay, Soave||

    (probably with a fucking selfie-stick)

    Dude, fuck you. You're just a bitter misanthrope with a fucking ax to grind against countless disparate things, so hey! Why not take every opportunity of lack of information to conflate them all?

    It's amazing how you old fucks can act so pettily and petulantly and in the same breath scoff that others should grow up.

    Grow up.

    Most people are stupid.

    Ayy, everyone but y'all!

  • commodious spittoon||

    The kid is 4. There is no excuse for him not knowing better than to do that.

    Assigning blame isn't what this is about, though.

    It's the public wailing and gnashing of teeth against today's designated Goldstein that's the problem. It's loathsome and pointless and stupid.

  • John||

    There is nothing wrong with assigning blame where it is deserved. And public shame, where it is deserved serves a valuable purpose.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Except it's gotten so vicious and warped and predominantly serves the interests of the lefty mob.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    ^This^

    Well said.

  • John||

    I think that having to kill a magnificent and very rare animal because it was the only way to avoid the tragedy of a child dying is more than just a "moderately big deal".

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    I think that having to kill a magnificent and very rare animal because it was the only way to avoid the tragedy of a child dying is more than just a "moderately big deal".

    ???

    I was responding to this comment from commodious spittoon:

    Assigning blame isn't what this is about, though.

    It's the public wailing and gnashing of teeth against today's designated Goldstein that's the problem. It's loathsome and pointless and stupid.

  • Horatio||

    Wrong. It's an animal, 1000's of which are killed/displaced every day to ensure humans of all ages do not die.

    Also, it's just too bad those awful parents don't have access to your amazing powers of hindsight. Beliving that you would have parented better than the family in question is all the proof I need to know you're completely full of shit here.

  • John||

    The animal is still a life and has value. It may not be equal to the value of a human life but it is still valuable. The parent's negligence got the animal killed and almost go their kid killed. And that sucks and the parents deserve everything they are getting and more.

    If you don't want the responsibility for your kid's safety and his actions, don't have a kid. They fucked up. It happens. But like all fuck ups, they own it and are responsible.

  • JW||

    Having childless people scold parents on their parental failings is always entertaining.

  • John||

    The facts are what they are. Let me ask you JW, if the parents are not responsible here, under what circumstances would you ever hold a parent responsible for failure to control and supervise a small child? Is there in your view any standard of care that is appropriate here? If there is, exactly what is it? I honestly can't see a standard any lower than, "don't let your kid crawl through multiple barriers into a cage with a dangerous animal.

    I am not asking that they control the kid all of the time and never lose track of him. I am just saying they should perhaps take some care to do so when it involves the kid crawling into a cage with a dangerous animal.

  • JW||

    I am not asking that they control the kid all of the time and never lose track of him

    Actually, that is exactly what you are asking. Are they responsible? Sure. Should they be held accountable. I have no idea what they did or didn't do. And neither do you. The nearly incoherent mess of a story above doesn't really shed any light on it, beyond showing a parent who was keeping tabs on their kid and didn't instantly notice when they weren't there.

    Accidents, especially tragic accidents, sometimes just happen, regardless of your actions or intentions. Holding complete strangers to superhuman accountability helps no one.

    Kids do stupid shit, suddenly and impulsively sometimes, before you have a chance to react or can turn your attention back to them. It's about .1% of the time you spend with them. My son would typically suddenly try to run out into a parking lot without warning, after getting out of the car and before I could close the door, even though he's been instructed to not do so and had been yelled at about it before.

    But, don't let your compete lack of experience at raising children get in the way of rubbing a good outrage boner out. I'll let you get back to that.

  • John||

    Sorry JW, but "it was an accident" doesn't excuse your negligence. If I fuck up and run someone down in my car, I am still responsible for it even though I didn't intend to do ti. That is what negigence is.

    And again, as Billy Bones points out, this cage had been in use for years. Millions of kids had been there and somehow their parents managed to keep them from crawling in the cage. You act like the kid burned his hand on the stove when the mom looked away for 30 seconds and I am trying to hang the mom. I get it. Accidents happen and even with the most conscientious parents and kids are hard to control all of the time.

    This however is not one of those accidents. Only a parent who engages in epic negligence could have allowed this to happen. And proof of that is that it never happened before despite millions of parents, many of which no doubt had their heads up their asses, and millions of kids being in the same situation.

  • Zeb||

    this cage had been in use for years. Millions of kids had been there and somehow their parents managed to keep them from crawling in the cage

    So either these are the uniquely worst parents in the world or they were unlucky. I think the latter sounds more likely given the information we actually have.

  • John||

    Zeb, how were they unlucky? The kid crawled in there. He wasn't hit by lightening. He crawled in there. No doubt there are a ton of 4 year olds out there who would happily crawl into a gorilla cage if there was no one there to stop them. So there kid like millions of other kids wanted to do that and had the means. It is not like he was any more agile or bold than many other four year old kids. And yet, he got in and the others did not. That is not bad luck. that is them not paying attention and allowing it to happen.

    There is no excusing the parents here.

  • JW||

    Only a parent who engages in epic negligence could have allowed this to happen.

    And of course, you have the all-present eye to know exactly what happened there. See? You're the gift that we need.

    Don't let us stop you from leading the angry mob, John. It's your calling. You were born to do it.

  • John||

    If it doesn't require epic negligence, why doesn't it happen more often JW? There are certainly plenty of negligent parents out there.

  • JW||

    It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

  • Billy Bones||

    I was a single father who raised both of my children, by myself, since they were both in diapers (2 and 3). They are now both fully grown and well adjusted (22 and 21). AND I agree 100% with John.

  • JW||

    Aren't you just the special one, Billy? We bow at your perfect parenting skills and dumb luck.

  • Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper||

    Ditto. I'm a father of a toddler (turning a year old in two weeks) and while I get that kids pretty much spend every waking second figuring out how to get into everything they can, the mother is at fault. I'm not saying she should be stoned in the public square, but it's ridiculous to blame the zoo for not anticipating that she'd be busy with her phone, lose track of her kid, and he'd climb into the exhibit. And it's also a little too flippant to brush this off as just one of those things that happen.

  • Juice||

    The animal is still a life and has value.

    And an endangered gorilla's life is 10 times more valuable than that one stupid kid's. Or mine or yours if anyone wanted to counter with that.

  • DarrenM||

    We are all animals.

  • Juice||

    It's an animal, 1000's of which are killed/displaced every day to ensure humans of all ages do not die.

    Which is always a-ok, right? This is never a bad thing, ever, eh?

  • Sombody||

    Well one thing's for sure, that's one expensive ass gorilla that got killed. I'd be pissed.

  • yet another dave||

    Unfortunately, it seems every situation now there is a chorus of voices shouting;
    1) Blame and Shame.
    2) We MUST do SOMETHING!
    Sadly sometimes a set of unfortunate circumstances leads to tragedy. I'm glad the kid's going to be ok, sorry the gorilla had to die.

  • CE||

    If an unattended toddler can crawl into the gorilla exhibit (or the lion exhibit, the tiger exhibit, the elephant exhibit, etc.), it's the zoo's fault. If the parent perched the toddler on a railing and the kid fell in, it's the parent's fault. A safety railing is not an observation platform.

  • John||

    So it is the Zoo's responsibility to attend to people's kids? I thought that was the parents' responsibility? And if it requires anymore than the most minimal level of attention, why don't more kids get into the cages?

  • GILMORE™||

    as we mourn Harambe.

    Who the fuck is Harambe?

    Earth to anthropomorphic-crazy-people = the ape never knew you gave it a name and just wanted to escape your fucking cage anyway.

  • commodious spittoon||

    In a way, this kid was a blessing from the skies. His little tumble from on high provided poor Harambe with the sweet release from captivity only death could provide. The child is an angelic little cherub.

  • Juice||

    the ape never knew you gave it a name

    Um, no. Most likely he knew his fucking name. He knew that this is what the humans called him.

  • Kevin47||

    But deep down, he knew he was Kunta Kinte.

  • GILMORE™||

    +1 Toby

  • GILMORE™||

    Juice|5.31.16 @ 5:22PM| block | mute | #

    the ape never knew you gave it a name

    Um, no. Most likely he knew his fucking name.

    Check out jane goodall over here.

  • Adans smith||

    As someone who as killed and eaten many upland birds,small game,deer ,fish and water fowl I ask.What does gorilla steaks taste like?

  • ||

    like solyent green, only gamier.

  • tarran||

    If you are ever near the Congo, buy "bush meat". That's what they call gorilla or chimpanzee meat. IIRC the hands are considered the tastiest bit.

  • ||

    Isn't that the way to be in first in line to get Ebola?

  • Citizen X||

    That and AIDS.

  • Jerryskids||

    Rich, smoky, and veal-like. (I have no idea how "rich and smoky" and "veal-like" go together.)

  • Crusty Juggler||

    And the perfect kindling for the burning of witches, or the crafting of national legislation.

    If your child gets into the gorilla pit and the gorilla dies, you die, the other parent dies, any living grandparents die, and your child and any other children will be sent to Canada.

  • John||

    It is nothing personal, we just owe it to the gene pool and future generations.

  • Slay! Robby=Bae. Sashay, Soave||

    No one collectivizes like you, John.

  • ||

    thank goodness there were some adults around to do what had to be done.

  • GILMORE™||

    Shriek and provoke the animal to madness?

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    Shriek and provoke the animal to madness?

    It forced the zookeepers to conclude: "Well fuck. These idiot parents started screaming and provoked the gorilla, now we have to kill it."

    The "adults" might tell you that had they not screamed hysterically and probably caused the gorilla to start dragging the child around, Something Much Worse would have happened.

  • ||

    Jabari 2004. never forget....that gorillas are dangerous.

  • PapayaSF||

    One amusing aspect: immediately after this, a few Black Lives Matter types tweeted about killing an African to protect a white kid. Then it came out that the kid is black. Oops!

  • GILMORE™||

    do you actually have a cite-link? because that just seems... "killing an African"?.... something tells me that they'd not jump to identifying themselves with the Gorilla

  • RBS||

    Maybe not the Gorilla himself but there is a definite movement within the BLM crowd to reclaim all that is African. Up to and including the throne of the Pharaoh.

  • PapayaSF||

    Here you go.

    Isa Ibn ‎@IsaIbnOfficial

    That gorilla was taken from it's homeland, put in captivity, and then killed to preserve White life. That sounds familiar.

    7:35 AM - 29 May 2016 · Prairie View, TX, United States

    3,034 Retweets 2,388 likes
  • GILMORE™||

    Lol that's actually pretty awesome.

  • GILMORE™||

    I'm sure people were tweeting back, "And the Gorilla Never Had it So Good!!"

  • PapayaSF||

    Note also the incorrect apostrophe in "it's," the fact that the gorilla was born in captivity, and the fact that they are endangered in Africa because of... Africans. So, pretty much a total fail.

  • Sombody||

    Don't bring up BLM from now on, it's pathetic to even talk about.

  • PapayaSF||

    They'll be at the conventions, I am sure. Soros still has money.

  • Princess Trigger||

    You know that gorillas had the upper hand for millions of years, killing humans with impunity - until we invented the katana.

  • Uncle Jay||

    RE: Gorilla Boy's Mom Shouldn't Be Burned at the Stake
    If the manhole in front my apartment suddenly blew up, I wouldn't blame a nearby mom.

    Of course you would blame a nearby mom.
    It's always someone else's fault.
    Responsibility is an unknown factor in our country.
    That's the great thing about living in a socialist slave state.

  • commodious spittoon||

    In slightly related news, I think I killed a cat this morning.

    There's a ton of strays living in the area, and I think I may have clipped this one when I pulled into my parking space. I didn't hear anything, but when I got out and turned around the poor thing was staggering around spewing gore from its face. It was grisly and mercifully short. The thing had stopped moving before I got to it.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    Poor kitty. Must have sucked for you as well. Sorry you had to go through that.

  • commodious spittoon||

    I'm just thanking little kitty God I didn't have to put it out of its misery.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Kitty God absolves you of your sin.

  • GILMORE™||

    Hello, new avatar

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    Turn yourself in.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    You probably clipped it with your giant, oversized, ugly-ass SUV, you Kochsucking shitlord. If you had been driving a Prius, that wouldn't have happened.

  • Citizen X||

    Stay where you are, Warty is on his way to your location at such a high speed that you will be dead before you even hear his world-rending scream of rage.

  • commodious spittoon||

    The only thing I could think to tell our facilities guy is "...they're usually faster than that!", and he had a laugh. They're a huge nuisance for the bank: awhile back we had to overhaul the security system because cats were eating up too much media triggering the motion sensor cameras all night long. Their first gambit was to be a catch-and-euthenize service, but a few women convinced them to sterilize and release as many as possible since nature abhors a vacuum and more feral cats would take their place.

    Not that I'm happy about killing this one. I'm just glad he hustled the body off before the girls got in.

  • Zeb||

    I bet you don't have a rodent problem there.

  • Jerryskids||

    I tried killing one this morning - there's several of them living in the woods behind the house and they hop the fence just to crap in my gazebo. And don't think they're not doing it just for spite. They know it pisses me off. There's a fox back in the woods there I keep hoping gets to eat some pussy.

  • Citizen X||

    If the fox has the same relationship to your ferals as my dog does to my cats, then the fox is an abject slave and does their bidding.

  • Clint Eastwoodchipper||

    There's a fox back in the woods there I keep hoping gets to eat some pussy.

    Austin Petersen?

  • SugarFree||

    Maybe you shouldn't have filled your gazebo with litter.

  • John||

    +1000000000

  • commodious spittoon||

    True story, the delivery alley where this took place borders a drainage ditch. A few times a year a fox will come down from the foothills or up from the Bosque and sit in a tree for several hours watching the deliveries. He's done it for years, apparently.

  • Citizen X||

    Then, when nothing comes for him, he sighs, goes back to his den, and types up yet another angry review of a seller on eBay.

  • Swiss Servator||

    *stumbles up to begin thunderous applause*

  • John||

    Judging from your posts on here Jerry, I think you are probably more of a danger to kill yourself with that gun (I assume you tried to shoot them) than you are those cats.

  • Slammer||

    Great, just great. As if libertarians didn't have enough of a bad image.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "the gorilla did just seem to be protective of the child. It wasn’t until the gorilla became agitated because of the nosey, dramatic, helpless crowd; that the gorilla violently ran with the child! And it was very violent; although I think the gorilla was still trying to protect, we’re taking a 400 lb gorilla throwing a 40 lb toddler around! It was horrific! "

    I saw that movie. Only it wasn't a toddler the gorilla was trying to protect; it was a movie star. The gorilla took her to the top of the Empire State Building, and there were planes shooting at him. 'twas beauty that killed the beast!

    Yeah, I think the gorilla was trying to protect the kid, the crowd got frantic, the gorillia thought the crowd was dangerous with all the noise and became frantic, . . . and they probably did the right thing in shooting him.

  • RBS||

    Look, neither you nor anyone else, except maybe some gorilla specialists, have any clue as to what the gorilla was doing.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Sure we do.

    We all make guesses about each others' motives. They're driven by instinct, and they're usually pretty good.

    Even dogs like to keep track of why other people are doing what they're doing. I've had otherwise friendly dogs start growling at me when I put on my motorcycle helmet. They don't like it when they can't read the expression on my face.

    Even if the gorilla was just trying to protect the kid, though, they probably did the right thing in shooting him. What, it's not enough that I say shooting him was probably the right thing; I have to think the gorillas wasn't trying to protect the child, too?

    Why?

  • RBS||

    We all make guesses about each others' motives.

    Right, and we all deal with other humans on a daily basis.

    I have to think the gorillas wasn't trying to protect the child, too?

    No, I'm saying you can't read the gorilla's mind or interpret his behavior.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Sure we can. Not with 100% certainty, but, yeah, we can look at dogs, people, gorillas, watch their behavior and get a pretty good idea of what they're trying to do and why.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YRvebrqnVY

  • ||

    we all deal with other humans on a daily basis

    Hermits do not.

  • commodious spittoon||

    It's moot in any event; the zoo could not have taken the risk that their gorilla wasn't going to kill the child.

  • Ken Shultz||

    That's my point.

    I just don't understand why it's necessary to pretend that we can't assume the gorilla was trying to protect the child.

    It was. It's just that it didn't matter what the gorilla was trying to do.

    It's sort of like Al Qaeda. They had reasons for doing what they did. So what? They murdered innocent people, so now they have to die. Doesn't mean they didn't have reasons; it just means that those reasons don't necessarily make any difference.

    If a guy breaks into my house and tries to rob me at gunpoint because his children are hungry, so what? I'm justified in shooting him in self-defense anyway.

  • grrizzly||

    OMG, Ken compared a sweet innocent gorilla to Al Qaeda!!! I can't even...

  • DarrenM||

    Well, it hasn't been compared to Hitler yet, so there's that.

  • mfckr||

    "Gorilla boy"

    Wow Reason. Way to be racist about black children.

  • John||

    Somewhere Joe from Lowell feels justified in leaving reason.

  • WTF||

    He's still here, he slunk back with a different handle.

  • ||

    hiding in a short hole.

  • Granny Weatherwax||

    I blame the idiots standing around shrieking at the tops of their lungs, because that's the best way to keep a large wild animal calm and non-aggressive.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Some breeds of dogs you wouldn't trust with babies, but many of them will become instinctively protective of babies--even against their owners. But most dogs are great with children. Funny how we don't generally put dogs in zoos.

    I've had more than one occasion surfing where I've found myself suddenly surrounded by dolphins. Try to swim or paddle away, and the dolphins get agitated and surround you all over again--they're protecting us from a nearby shark. Every older surfer I know has a story like that about dolphins.

    But dolphins don't belong in zoos. They used to have a petting pool at Sea World in San Diego, where you could buy fish and feed a pool of dolphins by hand. It was disgraceful. People would carve their initials in the dolphins with their fingernails. It made me sick. "M-13 Ladera Heights, y'all!" "A+K = Forever".

    Gorillas shouldn't be locked up in holding areas. I'm not saying there oughtta be a law. Hell, gorillas don't even pass the mirror test. But if you want to see a gorilla in person, go to Uganda. The San Diego zoo is probably the best of all of them. Even there, I walk away from the gorilla exhibit feeling sad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIZ04AGTjHc

  • geo1113||

    No wonder Cornelius was sympathetic to the plight of Taylor and Nova.

  • MikeP2||

    Cornelius wasn't a gorilla.

  • DesigNate||

    I don't think that's quite fair. Zoos, especially the better ones, do a lot to help otherwise failing (usually because of poachers) species. Or maybe I've just bought into the indoctrination.

    Plus some of us have too many orphans working our platinum mines to fly to Uganda for the weekend with our spawn to show them the wonders of nature.

  • ||

    This is retarded as fuck.

    I have nothing else to add.

  • Ken Shultz||

    If this had been in Texas, a third of the crowd would have open fired on the gorilla long before the zoo keepers got there.

  • commodious spittoon||

    The child would have shot itself with an unlocked handgun just lying around before they'd even left for the zoo.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Another third of the crowd might have shot the first third for drawing their weapons, not realizing they were merely trying to save the child and shoot the gorilla. The first third would return fire.

    Then the SWAT team would show up and shoot everybody standing--whether they have a gun or not. Blame it all on biker gangs.

    So in Texas? The solution is to arm both the gorillas and the babies. It's every man for himself--that's what the Bible and the Second Amendment are all about.

  • commodious spittoon||

    You, sir, should be writing for HBO. I would watch this series.

  • This Machine||

    Same.

  • lap83||

    And then, as if it couldn't get any worse, Trump called the gorilla a "hater" and "African"

  • Citizen X||

    "They're not sending their best gorillas."

  • WTF||

    Although some of them, I assume, are good people.

  • R C Dean||

    I larfed.

  • ||

    As if this isn't stupid enough, it's considered newsworthy what Trump thinks about it.

    Our society is well and truly fucked. Congratulations, ISIS. You win.

  • ||

  • Glide||

    Is it okay if I have literally no opinion on this based on the fact that I don't have complete omnipotence on the intentions of zoo primates, 4 years of complex personal interactions of a child's developing brain, and the exact individual actions of a crowd of dozens of terrified zoogoers?

  • ||

    It's not ok, shitlord. You HAVE TO have an opinion and that opinion has to be shared on social media nonstop for at least a week. Otherwise you're like me. And you don't want that.

  • ||

    Happy? Rich? The Great Impregnator?

  • ||

    But I'm bald.

  • DesigNate||

    Come on sloopy, it's not like you're Episiarch or *shudder* Warty.

  • DenverJ||

    No. You must pick a side, and then you must defend that position with greater and greater fervor, eventually working yourself into an impotent rage, and end by insulting everyone who thinks different.
    What is this, your first rodeo?

  • JW||

    Don't let John hear you say that crazy shit.

    SOMEONE MUST BE PUNISHED.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Cecil and Harambe are duking it out in heaven.

    *sheds a single, manly tear*

  • Microaggressor||

    The people I hate most in this story are the visitors who started shrieking and spooked the gorilla.
    The zookeepers acted rationally. They don't want to open themselves up to liability, and gorilla families don't sue. I think that's mostly what it comes down to.

  • ||

    Expecting people to act calmly when they see a kid in a gorilla pit is like expecting SEC schools to not pay their football players.

  • Sombody||

    I'm with you, people shriek about anything that involves harm and it's the last thing you should be doing. Maybe a hearty and controlled yell if it's appropriate. It's as if it is somehow fun to be cowards... all that screaming that's done at rollercoaster parks or something.

  • Playa Manhattan.||

    This is Cecil the Lion all over again.

  • ||

    Did that dentist ever get his life back? Or did the mob ruin him?

  • Juice||

    Not really. But it is very similar to the killing of zoo lions that happened in Chile.

  • Mackenzie Brunson||

    If the manhole in front of my apartment suddenly blew up and injured a kid, I don’t think I’d blame the kid's mom for letting him wander out of her sight momentarily.

    No, I would blame the company or city whichever was responsible for the public works under said manhole cover. In the same respect only a bush protected a child from falling into a pit with Gorillas. He may have been trying to get a closer look at the Gorilla and couldn't see through said bush to note the drop. As such, I hold the zoo the most responsible for the accident. Accidents happen, but a bush isn't much protection from falling 15 feet. In fact, it might be a horrible way to let someone who can't see over said bush know that there is a drop. The zoo's insurance will be paying for this boys injuries and the cost of the now dead animal and I guarantee you there will be proper fencing put in place at this zoo from now on.

  • Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper||

    When something terrible does not happen, ever, I’d say we are allowed to assume it won’t happen. If the manhole in front of my apartment suddenly blew up and injured a kid, I don’t think I’d blame the kid's mom for letting him wander out of her sight momentarily.

    I'm typically a big Lenore fan, but this is just retarded. You're removing all agency from the mother when, frankly, this is one of those situations where you don't let your kids loose to do as they please. The odds of a gorilla leaping into my home and attacking my daughter are pretty minimal; they increase significantly if I take her to a gorilla exhibit and then lose track of her, particularly if I know she's prone to exploration. I'm with you on the whole "free-range kid" thing, but that only works when you've raised your children to behave responsibly and with some common sense. At 4, that's a pretty tall order, especially when you're putting your child in a situation almost tailor-made to test those qualities.

  • yet another dave||

    Any parent, will have a story about a time when one of their kids wandered off in brief moment of lapsed attention (if you don't get rid of your helicopter) I once briefly lost sight of my daughter at the airport in Denver at christmas, when Chicago and NYC were storm delayed. Airport was a shit show (allbeit this was before the terrorist and tsa menace) But crowded, with changing depart gates, confusion etc. having a long conversation with with a helpful but helpless stew at the 2nd gate I'd been directed to...After having been told "Stay right here" and after I successfully determined where I was to board my next leg. I looked down to my right... gone... I look around at a sea of people. Tall for 6 but a needle in a haystack there. After what felt like an hour of graduating circle search, keeping my eye on where I was when last seen she comes strolling up.... went to the water fountain. I have since determined it was less than a minute. But holy fuck 17 years later I still remember that moment in a crowd when I was briefly powerless. She now breaks and saddle trains horses, while attending university, doesn't trust the gov't and can find her way in the bush as well as in a crowd. But I did have a moment of second thought, that day...

    Sometimes shit happens. To all of us.

  • toolkien||

    Have they made ashtrays out his hands yet?

    What? Too soon?

  • yet another dave||

    Soup?

  • BambiB||

    Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
    When mothers are arrested for letting their kids play in the park or even their own front yard, we either need to stop all of that nonsense - or publicly execute this mother. I'm for giving her a pass - but that would mean all the other bullshit has to stop. Permanently.

    As for the stupid bystanders who made things worse - if an intelligent species were observing them, could they differentiate between the apes and the humans?

  • jdgalt||

    Zoos are supposed to be safe to let a child wander around in. All blame here belongs to the zoo for not making it impossible for the child to get inside the animal's confinement.

  • Anvil||

    I'm not a parent, but I've been around enough kids to know that any kid who is curious enough, will attempt something multiple times before succeeding or being forcibly removed by a parent or other authoritative figure. That being said, this kid definitely made at least 1 previous attempt before the situation arose as it did. Obviously, the first time, he did not succeed, but "try, try again" he did, meaning that either his mother or someone had already stopped him from doing something that he should not have, only to turn their back or be distracted long enough for him to get into the area.

    There was a similar situation at the zoo in Pittsburgh a few years ago where a child crawled over a railing and fell into the area where African Painted Dogs were and the young boy was mauled to death rather quickly. The parents sued the zoo and received and undisclosed settlement, which is an absolute disgrace because of the mother's lack of oversight. And the ironic part, is that the kid had made at least 1 prior attempt before his fate quickly came to a tragic end.

  • MikeP2||

    And this is why physical discipline is so absolutely critical for young children. Contrary to the quite recent phenomena of clueless parents listening to childless and clueless psychologists, a spank on the bottom, slap, paddling, or switch is the only thing proven to reduce the risk of a child doing something foolish.
    Children can't grasp elaborate cause and effect. A child can't understand that the gorilla is not a teddy bear or a pet dog. A child can't understand that the car in the road will not always be able to stop when then run into the street after a ball. But a child can understand the short sharp pain administered by an adult when a bad decision is made. They learn to avoid the punishment, because they are not wise enough yet to avoid the broader risk. And anyone who tells you a "time out" is as good as a smack is likely speaking from very narrow experience. "Time out" works for many kids, but nowhere near a majority. The more strong willed the more intelligent, the more self-assured a child is.....everything we want to protect and foster.....the least likely they will respond to time-out.
    Darwinism at work here. Shoulda tranked the gorilla and hoped for the best for the child.

  • Anvil||

    Maybe I'm wrong here, but perhaps his was raised by "free range" parenting??

  • Rational Exuberance||

    "Free range parenting" means teaching your kids to be responsible enough so that you can let them run around unsupervised without creating havoc. It does not mean letting your 3 year old loose so that he can climb into a gorilla enclosure.

  • Rational Exuberance||

    And the perfect kindling for the burning of witches, or the crafting of national legislation.

    I don't see how pointing out that the mother may have acted irresponsibly and that parents should pay more attention to their kids amounts to "burning witches".

    Furthermore, the zoo lost valuable property, while the parents have medical bills, so someone will end up paying someone, and it is perfectly reasonable to talk about the morality and legality of the situation.

  • IMissLiberty||

    Every parent and political candidate should watch The Dog Whisperer series, over and over, again, even if they don't have a dog or expect to deal with a gorilla. The crowd in this situation basically told the gorilla that this was a dangerous, fear-inducing, time to panic. It might have worked much differently if everyone had remained calm-assertive (rather like the LP chair, Nick Sarwark at the LP convention).

    (Written from Amtrak, northbound from Orlando to New York, as I return from Orlando to California via the quasi-governmental, non-free-market, scenic route. Hey, and lots of people on the train are delighted to hear about Gary Johnson!)

  • Reasonless||

    My God! Do you not know how "beloved" this ape was? I've heard it over and over again from our news programs like Cecil our "beloved" lion he was killed by our negligence. Yes sarcasm, and I know that sarcasm is anger's ugly cousin, but I just can't take it anymore.

  • Technomad||

    Part of the fuss is simply because these days, one virtue-signals by showing great love for furry animals. Being indifferent, or, worse, hostile to animals has become the Eighth deadly Sin.

  • hongcarzy||

    When something terrible does not happen, ever, I’d say we are allowed to assume it won’t happen. If the manhole in front of my apartment suddenly blew up and injured a kid, I don’t think I’d blame the kid's mom for letting him wander out of her sight momentarily. http://dogiadinh24h.com

  • J Norton||

    When I was 6,(47 years ago) I got separated from my parents and 5 siblings at Disney and stayed that way for over an hour. I suppose that was their fault, but I don't think of it that way. I know for certain, there was no way they could 100% guarantee this wouldn't happen. Shit happens. On the other hand, I never trusted primates and don't think I'd wander into a guerrilla pit. This little boy is lucky that thing didn't tear him from limb to limb.

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