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CBO Estimates that Obamacare Will Shrink the Labor Force by the Equivalent of 2 Million Jobs

Whitehouse.govWhitehouse.govOne of the biggest debates about Obamacare has always been whether it would cost the nation jobs, with backers arguing that the labor market effects would be minimal, and critics labeling the law a job killer.

The debate flared up again this week after the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) released a report estimating that the law would shrink America’s by the equivalent of about 2 million jobs over the next decade.

The CBO report doesn’t quite solve the debate one way or the other. That’s because, despite the headline job-loss estimate, the CBO isn’t really saying that the law will kill off millions of jobs, in the sense that employers will fire people or eliminate positions in response to the law.

Instead, as with a previous report estimating a labor force reduction equal to about 800,000 jobs, the CBO is estimating that the law will have the effect of causing people to scale back their work hours, or quit work entirely, because the law allows them to do so without losing their benefits.

Based on this estimate, you can definitely say that the U.S. labor force is likely to be significantly smaller a decade from now thanks to Obamacare, that there will be less work performed and fewer people employed as a result of the law. But it won’t be because Obamacare made those positions unavailable to people who might have wanted them; it will be because Obamacare created a set of circumstances in which some people chose to leave jobs, or scale back on work hours.

As the CBO says, under the law, “some people would choose to work fewer hours; others would leave the labor force entirely or remain unemployed for longer than they otherwise would.”

Obamacare isn’t a job-killer, then, so much as a work-killer—a change in the nation’s benefits and incentive structure that makes working less desirable for millions of people. And in that sense the report cuts both ways: Conservatives shouldn’t argue that the law is responsible for eliminating positions that otherwise would be available, but liberal backers of the law shouldn’t pretend that it won’t ultimately have the effect of significantly reducing the number of hours and people who work. 

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  • Lee G||

    What a rousing success...

  • ||

    It successfully ended wage slavery for almost a million people!

  • Swiss Servator||

    Pffft... jobs hasn't been an issue for years!

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.....ncil/?_r=0

  • Swiss Servator||

    Hope you laid in plenty of cake, Peter. TEH LIGHTWORKER fellator-tards will be in shortly.

  • ||

    Light the Shriek Signal!

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Nah, the equivocation was perfect.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    Indeed, it's not that Obamacare hurt Americans, it's that Americans hurt Obamacare by being lazy and unwilling to act in their own best interest.

  • Doctor Whom||

    If lower labor-force participation means lower nominal unemployment, then that will be more reason to praise the Obamessiah.

  • Cyto||

    What percentage of the 100 million people not participating in the workforce should we count as unemployed? Is it as high as 30 million? Or do we have a bunch of boomers who are taking early retirement?

    Somebody was trying to convince us that it is because of all of the incentives to go back to school.... lots of people are going back for additional training. I'd say a bunch of those folks should count as unemployed - if they are going back to school because they lost their job and now they want to get into nursing or get training in computers because they can't find work doing what they were doing before.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'm my experience, sheet cake flings exactly like monkey shit.

  • MokFarin||

    Why have you flung both?

  • NoVAHockey||

    Perhaps their number, like the labor force, also will dwindle.

  • bacon-magic||

    Obama is the best thing for "us" libertarians. /AmSoc

  • ||

    One of the biggest debates about Obamacare has always been whether it would cost the nation jobs, with backers arguing that the labor market effects would be minimal, and critics labeling the law a job killer.

    Wait wait wait. I thought backers also thought it was a job-killer, and that that was a good thing. You know, so instead of working in a soul-crushing cubicle, they could go pursue their performance art dreams and stuff.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Wait, Obamacare could help get my one-man play Shame, Tissues, and Tears: My War On Internet Porn on Broadway?

  • ||

    "I'm auditioning for Professor Garrity's all-black production of 'Fiddler on the Roof.' It's called 'Fiddlah, Please!'"

  • Crusty Juggler||

    That episode inspired Hamilton.

  • Rich||

    I thought it was "The Fid", but I may have that confused with something else.

  • Swiss Servator||

    It Wiz'd right by you?

  • ||

    boo

  • macsnafu||

    Mumble, mumbo, gaze-narrowing, etc...

  • bacon-magic||

    *soul gazes Swiss

  • Contrarian P||

    I'm assuming one should watch your play covered in plastic sheeting or wear a raincoat?

  • Swiss Servator||

    HAZMAT suit.

  • ||

    Shame, Tissues, and Tears: My Party with Warty

  • ||

    Well now Barbie Girl is going to be stuck in my head for weeks. Thanks, dick.

  • GILMORE™||

    " they could go pursue their performance art dreams and stuff.'"

    Which reminds me, uh... I finally got the venue I wanted....I'm performing my dance quintet, you know, my cycle ....Tuesday night...... and i'd really appreciate it if you, you know, came, and uh...gave me some notes.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    "Can't it be both?"

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Obamacare isn’t a job-killer, then, so much as a work-killer—a change in the nation’s benefits and incentive structure that makes working less desirable for millions of people. And in that sense the report cuts both ways: Conservatives shouldn’t argue that the law is responsible for eliminating positions that otherwise would be available, but liberal backers of the law shouldn’t pretend that it won’t ultimately have the effect of significantly reducing the number of hours and people who work.

    America Western Europe!

  • ||

    Obamacare isn’t a job-killer, then, so much as a work-killer—a change in the nation’s benefits and incentive structure that makes working less desirable for millions of people. And in that sense the report cuts both ways: Conservatives shouldn’t argue that the law is responsible for eliminating positions that otherwise would be available, but liberal backers of the law shouldn’t pretend that it won’t ultimately have the effect of significantly reducing the number of hours and people who work.

    WTHF? That's some insane tightrope walking, and by tightrope walking, I mean bullshitting.

    Raising the minimum wage won't so much price people out of a job as much as it will price work out of people's ability to pay for it. Conservatives shouldn't get so uppity that raising the minimum wage would be responsible for eliminating positions, but liberals shouldn't pretend that it won't ultimately have the effect of significantly reducing the number of hours and people who work.

    Enacting a carbon tax won't so much price consumers out of their heating and transportation situation...

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    We want jobs for jobs' sake and not the output that the jobs produce.

  • Free Society||

    Obamacare isn’t a job-killer, then, so much as a work-killer—a change in the nation’s benefits and incentive structure that makes working less desirable for millions of people.

    And the open borders crowd will be along shortly to lecture everyone on how 3rd world immigrants are coming to do jobs that Americans "just won't do" and pretend that these waves of immigration are naturally occurring (market based) migrations of people.

  • ||

    You are intelligent and your contributions are welcomed.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    If the welfare state were to vanish tomorrow, do you honesty think our native-born slugs would be lining up in front of electricians, carpenters, and other assorted tradesmen asking for apprenticeships? And even for the small percentage of suddenly ambitious ones, could they even secure them unless their grandfathers were part of the Pipe Fitters' Union?

  • Lee G||

    Actually, I think they would riot first.

    I still see that as a net positive.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Hide yo wife, hide yo kids.

  • Citizen X||

    They're rapin' everybody out here!

  • Swiss Servator||

    STEVE SMITH SMILES!

  • Restoras||

    This is why I have firearms.

  • Contrarian P||

    I don't know. Not having any food is a pretty powerful motivator.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Not having any food is a pretty powerful motivator.

    Want food? Here's a pistol and there's a 7-11. Beats doing a 9 to 5, like a sucker. You don't want to be a sucker, do you?

  • ||

    The 7-11 by my house is a zoo, even at 2am. Care to recommend any other locations?

  • NoVAHockey||

    the actual zoo?

  • NoVAHockey||

    whatever. i'm having panda for dinner.

  • ||

    Yeah, if I'm robbing a store, it sure as fuck isn't going to be 7-11. Maybe a Whole Foods.

  • ||

    My Whole Foods has an armed guard, buddy.

  • ||

    Mine doesn't. Maybe you should shop (and rob) in a safer part of town.

  • Los Doyers||

    Trader Joe's for me, and I'd also help myself to all of their dark chocolate covered almonds.

  • Citizen X||

    Shit, save some of those for me.

  • ||

    Doyers, you had better be talking about these.

  • Restoras||

    7-11 has food?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Don't talk shit about cured meats from convenience stores.

  • Tundra, well-chilled.||

    'Meats'

    Proper punctuation, Playa.

  • Zeb||

    Mechanically separated meat paste is still meat.

  • Los Doyers||

    native-born slugs

    We are a nation of immigrant molluscs.

  • ||

    The bigger issue would be the lack of education and job skills - stuff like showing up on time. Yeah, it's hard to get into union jobs without some type of connection.

  • kilroy||

    I've hired an electrician and a carpenter in the last year. Neither managed to show up on the right *day* let alone on time.

  • Tundra, well-chilled.||

    There are non-union electricians and carpenters, kilroy.

  • kilroy||

    True, but I've got an ax to grind.

  • Free Society||

    If the welfare state were to vanish tomorrow, do you honesty think our native-born slugs would be lining up in front of electricians, carpenters, and other assorted tradesmen asking for apprenticeships?

    No, but they'd be lining up to pick fruit, mop floors and whatever else their life of indolence qualified them to do. As Lee said, they'd probably riot first. But eventually they'd starve and freeze. Worst case scenario, they'd take wealth from others by force, sort of like they do now, but without the full might of the state to prevent property owners from gunning them down in the process.

  • Lord at War||

    HM- I'd expect more jobs in the County Engineer Dept... That's who cleans the dead animals off the streets

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    In a post about Obamacare, I never would have thought to rant about immigration.  Thank you for sharing your valuable perspective.

  • Citizen X||

    You need to start thinking outside the box.

  • Free Society||

    In a post about the labor force and the growing proportion of people unwilling to work...

  • Zeb||

    I don't give a fuck if Americans will do a job or not. If someone wants to do it for less, let them. People aren't entitled to my money simply because we share a particular citizenship.

  • Free Society||

    Fair enough. That doesn't mean the welfare-immigration system isn't just another government program. My whole point is that it's not simply the "free movement of people" that is justifying some kind of libertarian principle that persons X, Y and Z have a right to immigrate to any particular place.

  • ||

    "3rd world immigrants are coming to do jobs that Americans "just won't do" and pretend that these waves of immigration are naturally occurring"

    Once in my 10-year construction career have I worked with a native-born white carpentry crew. Laziest bunch of lard-asses I've ever seen. These guys actually brought folding chairs to the site so that they could sit while complaining about how hard they had to work. The company went belly-up before completing the job because, well, they just couldn't get anything done.

    3rd world immigrants, on the other hand, work their asses off because they're ecstatic to have jobs. Thus, markets favor them.

  • Free Society||

    I'm not disputing the work ethic of anyone other than the Americans made indolent by the welfare state that uses incentives and the human desire to do as little work as possible to put the American workforce as whole at a disadvantage. Whether they know it or not, or care.

  • ||

    I agree. I just don't think closing borders in the name of forcing people to hire indolent Americans really addresses that issue. If we got rid of welfare, that might incentivize American-born workers better, which would discourage immigration through market forces.

    Either way, I don't see how this shows that immigrants don't fill a market demand for workers that work harder than native-born workers do.

  • Free Society||

    Either way, I don't see how this shows that immigrants don't fill a market demand for workers that work harder than native-born workers do.

    I didn't say that they don't fill a demand. I said that demand for immigrants is artificially high because of government policy.

    Also I didn't say close the borders to immigrants. I said close the welfare state to everyone and reduce the artificially high demand for immigrants.

  • JW||

    Your insights are most intriguing. I want to know more.

  • ||

    Conservatives shouldn’t argue that the law is responsible for eliminating positions that otherwise would be available, but liberal backers of the law shouldn’t pretend that it won’t ultimately have the effect of significantly reducing the number of hours and people who work.

    If more people gave two shits about unintended consequences, this wouldn't be an issue. But they don't. Just remember that. You can argue "unintended consequences! unintended consequences!" until you're blue in the face, and they won't hear a fucking word you say.

    Intentions are everything, actions and results mean nothing.

  • Contrarian P||

    Nah, they'll just employ the Canadian warmonger strategy of calling everyone who disagrees with them names and completely ignoring any evidence of blowback.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Phew. Thank God those have been offset by the jobs created or saved by the stimulus.

  • Los Doyers||

    Shovel ready projects to dig your moat?

  • ||

    The job losses will be offset by everyone saving 2500 bucks per year on their insurance.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    SAVING? Where do I get these savings? My insurance doubled in the last 2 years.

  • ||

    But it would have gone up another $2500 if not for the Light Bringer. Prove it wouldn't you teathuglican!

  • Citizen X||

    Yeah, but without the ACA, it would have gone up 2x + $2500. There's no way you can prove it wouldn't have!

  • GILMORE™||

    YOUR FAMILY WOULD HAVE BEEN EATEN BY A GILA MONSTER AND THEIR REMAINS DEFECATED INTO A LIVE VOLCANO WITHOUT THE ACA YOU CANT PROVE IT DIDNT

  • Citizen X||

    Only the continued existence of the ACA prevents the sun from going nova!

  • Lee G||

    The savings are in your peace of mind.

    *mutters to self*

  • Crusty Juggler||

    If it wasn't for Obamacare that $2500 would have doubled.

  • ||

    Sounds like you're working too hard, Playa.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I have been dreaming of a Master's in Puppetry.

  • ||

    For flesh puppets, I have to assume.

  • ||

    Of the penis?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Yes, with a twist. The parents won't know until after they've paid for the tickets to my show.

  • ||

    with a twist

    I see you've seen it...

  • Pan Zagloba||

    Average American family will save up to $2500.

    Take pride in being above average, I guess...

  • CatoTheChipper||

    Wow! I thought my 57% increase -- for nearly identical coverage -- was bad! The only new thing that I get from the new plan is "free" birth control, pre-natal care, mammograms, and pap smears and pediatric dental coverage ... but I'm a sixty something year old man.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    but I'm a sixty something year old man.

    Pics?

  • macsnafu||

    Your savings from dumping your insurance and paying the cheap penalty, instead.

  • Rich||

    "The science is settled!"

  • ||

    Suderman is so easily gulled

  • Contrarian P||

    One good tern deserves another.

  • Restoras||

    I...what...I just can't even...

  • Swiss Servator||

    *narrows gaze*

  • Contrarian P||

    You keep that up you'll get crow's feet.

  • Swiss Servator||

    *calmly prepares large vat of fondue, guesses size of batch needed to drench Contrarian*

  • Jordan||

    "If you like your job, you can keep it."

    ...

    "That wasn't a real job anyway."

  • Rich||

  • Restoras||

    If you like your coverage, you can keep it.



    That wasn't real coverage anyway.

  • Rich||

    the law would shrink America’s by the equivalent of about 2 million jobs

    , mostly in the medical profession.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Yeah, but they'll make up for it in volume.

  • Pompey||

    Anyone wanna take odds on when HRC pulls her campaign commercials that promise to maintain Obamacare?

  • This Machine||

    "If you like your job, you can keep your job."

  • Illocust||

    Who can afford to quit their job right now and still pay their insurance premiums? Unless you qualify for Medicare you have to keep working.

  • Citizen X||

    If you don't have sufficient income, the government will subsidize your premiums. Boom, problem solved.

  • Lee G||

    For those of us involved in S-Corps, it's a true wonder, since all of that "income" goes into consideration when determining eligibility for subsidies.

  • Citizen X||

    Fucking incentives, how do they work?

  • Swiss Servator||

    Like magnets?

    /Juggalo economist

  • Set Us Up The Chipper||

    ESOP, S-Corp...even sweeter. No federal income tax, zilch.

  • Ivan Pike||

    OT

    Who to root for?

    Mexican cartel boss threatens ISIS over drug trade.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    El Chapo, obviously.

  • Ivan Pike||

    I do hope he wins. That would be hilarious.

  • Citizen X||

    It's like a weird side-plot from Snow Crash.

  • Restoras||

    Not La Madrina???

  • Los Doyers||

    ISIS hates them for their al pastor and mezcal.

  • ||

    Didn't he put a bounty on Trump?

  • Ivan Pike||

    Didn't he put a bounty on Trump?


    Snopes says no.

  • Lee G||

    Mahmudiya Vice

  • GILMORE™||

    That's a pretty good matchup and I would definitely pay-per-view.

    It would definitely make for a good comedy-action movie where mexican drug-assassins are sent to the middle-east to whack a Jihadi leader.

    Cartel-Leader = "Its in the desert, they're brown; you'll blend in fine. Just grow some beards and pray a lot and you should be in his inner-circle in No Time"

    sort of like, "In Bruges", only .... Mexicans in Syria.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Whoever wins, heads are gonna roll.

  • Certified Public Asshat||

    But Wal-Mart cost the US 400,000 Jobs !

    Derp:

    According to EPI, in 2013 Walmart imported more than $49 billion worth of Chinese goods. And Walmart alone “accounted for 15.3 percent of the growth of the total U.S. goods trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2013.”

    More to the point for the Americans that make up Walmart’s customer base: “The Wal-Mart-based trade deficit with China alone eliminated or displaced over 400,000 U.S. jobs between 2001 and 2013.” More than three quarters of those jobs were in manufacturing.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    eliminated or displaced

    Riiiiight

  • Rich||

    "Dis ain't da place for *dat* job!"

  • Doctor Whom||

    If I didn't know better, I'd almost start to think that people like that hadn't read a book on economics. Also, you should have included a content warning for the source.

  • Citizen X||

    Protip: ALWAYS mouse over links posted by Hit'n'Run commenters, lest ye be exposed to things ye cannot unsee, or also Gawker/Salon/etc. derpernovae.

  • Doctor Whom||

    Expecting me to do something like that for myself is problematic. I suppose that my safe space will not have crayons.

  • Citizen X||

    The pads on the walls are so nice and soft, though.

  • Rhywun||

    These are the same types that support "organic" food and wonder why Americans are reluctant to pay a 50% surcharge just for feelz.

  • ||

    Looking at all the snark here regarding the mendacity of the Dems. How is it that anyone can take anything they say seriously anymore? Obumbles and The Hildebeast have less than no credibility. They have become a laughing stock.

  • Rich||

    the mendacity of the Dems

    A.k.a. the audacity of hope.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    But the other side is worse! They are all racists and warmongers and nativists, and, more importantly, are such in a lower class way.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    If only we had passed $15/hr minimum wage, we would have full employment. I blame Donald Trump.

  • ||

    I don't know why we have to do that, we can print all the money we need. We can all be rich.

  • Doctor Whom||

    +100T Zimbabwean dollars

  • Contrarian P||

    I say we make the leaf legal tender.

  • Restoras||

    And stuff our pants with it?

  • LynchPin1477||

    Reducing the number of hours worked isn't necessarily awful in and of itself, and if it is in response to technological advances that actually allow for the same or increased productivity with fewer hours worked, and people are happy with the standard of living they can afford on fewer hours, I'd actually say it is a good thing.

    But that isn't what's happening here, of course. Here, we could have people being less productive and maintaining an acceptable standard of living because they'll be subsidized, and will probably end up using more resources since they aren't paying for it out of pocket themselves.

    So we'll have increasing costs and decreasing productivity. Sounds like a winning combination for sure!

  • Citizen X||

    That's leaving aside the fact that SOMEBODY'S paying for those subsidies - the government absolutely cannot generate wealth itself, it can only destroy or redistribute it.

  • ||

    Well, the slavers are definitely winning.

  • Citizen X||

    One of the most depressing things about being an anarchist/libertarian is realizing that people who understand that political solutions don't work very seldom run for office.

  • ||

    Political solutions work great. For politicians and their cronies.

  • Citizen X||

    By "work," i meant "work as advertised," you know, like your mom. But yeah.

  • ||

    Hey man, you know it's caveat emptor when it comes to her.

  • Lee G||

    What's that about emptying her cavity?

  • ||

    Lee, I think you have that backwards.

  • ||

    people who understand that political solutions don't work very seldom run for office

    I LOLed.

  • Citizen X||

    A bitter laugh that barely masks despair, right?

  • ||

    It is me we're talking about.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    If increasing costs and decreasing productivity is slavers "winning," we need a new term. Any plantation owner in 1850 Georgia, or mine supervisor in 100 Rome would consider that losing.

  • ||

    You seem like you might be confused about who the slavers are now. It's the people administering and receiving the subsidies.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    So, not slavers, but parasites then?

  • CatoTheChipper||

    As a self-employed sixty-something, my marginal income tax spikes to about 900,000% next year at about $62000.

    If you don't think that a 900,000% marginal income tax rate influences behavior, well, you're an idiot.

  • Otis B. Driftwood||

    CBO Estimates that Obamacare Will Shrink the Labor Force by the Equivalent of 2 Million Jobs

    Tony told me otherwise. In fact, he insisted otherwise and marginalized anyone who disagreed with him. Where is that steaming pile of dog excrement?

  • Migrant Log Chipper||

    His dog ate him while he slept....

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    CBO Estimates that Obamacare Will Shrink the Labor Force by the Equivalent of 2 Million Jobs

    Labor force =/= jobs. Jobs are what a labor force DOES; the labor force doesn't decrease just because a job is unfilled.

    The only way you can actually shrink the labor force is by people retiring with enough money to live the rest of their lives, putting people in prison, deporting them, or killing them.

    The last 3 sound just like what the administration has been doing all along.

  • Zeb||

    I can't imagine that it is not also slowing job creation considerably. Make it more expensive to hire employees, and throw in some significant uncertainty about the future costs of employing people and of course fewer jobs will be created.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Yes, I really don't see how this could not be the case. People who argue that employers don't factor this into their decision-making are laughable.

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    And of course the companies that DON'T eliminate jobs will just have to pay more for the employee's health insurance unless they pass 100% of the increase to the employees (and some companies will really try to absorb some of the cost increase internally).

    Which will negatively affect profitability and thus negatively affect the stock market. Thus ruining government employee pensions. Then the civil war can begin, as government enlists you to fight for your own tax slavery.

  • R C Dean||

    Conservatives shouldn’t argue that the law is responsible for eliminating positions that otherwise would be available, but liberal backers of the law shouldn’t pretend that it won’t ultimately have the effect of significantly reducing the number of hours and people who work.

    Tell me, por favor, how a law can both reduce the number of people who work, and not also eliminate positions that would also be available.

    I get that you can keep the number of positions available the same by just reducing hours per position, but I don't think you can take the next step and say that fewer people are working without also having to admit that positions have been eliminated.

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    Have you ever actually heard a Democrat use the word "productivity"? Of course not, they find it triggering.

  • Domestic Dissident||

    For a lowlife cretin like Block Insane Yomomma, killing more private sector jobs in the hinterlands is a feature and not a bug.

  • XM||

    The individual (and perhaps the employer) mandate isn't long for this world. I see that portion of the law going bye bye or weakened beyond salvation in the next 2 years. By then tax penalties will have started to hit some middle class families.

    Why is the penaltax so high? Insurers can't deny you coverage now. If I paid 25 bucks to skip buying insurance and developed cancer at the last minute, I can change my mind and get coverage.

    Oh, but the penaltax incentives individuals to not contribute to the insurance pool. They would CHOOSE not to buy insurance if given the choice and medicaid isn't an option. Oh I see. So the 40 mil uninsured folks weren't losing their minds about insurance every single second of their lives.

  • Intelligent Mr Toad||

    But without Obamacare, how much would rising health-care costs have shrunk the labor force?

    Conservatives blame all the problems on Obamacare. In fact nearly all our health-care problems started long before Obamacare.

  • ||

    Health care costs are still rising and seem unaffected by Obumblecare.

    Health insurance costs are skyrocketing mostly because of Obumblecare.

    Obumblecare is doing what it was designed to do; break the system. Then we will be ushered into the joyous utopia where we all go to the VA.

  • Intelligent Mr Toad||

    According to actual surveys of actual VA patients, the large majority of them are very satisfied with the care they get there.

    The VA scandal is overblown--a few hundred thousand delayed appointments in a system which handles more than 90 million appointments per year.

  • Jerry Smith||

    Where's that "savings of $2,500 per year" that was promised?

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