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Cops Arrest 11-Year-Old Kid for Nude Photos, Claim It's For His Own Good

Someone think of the child (predators)

|||DreamstimePolice in a Pennsylvania school district have charged at least three kids—one of them just 11 years old—with distributing sexually explicit pictures of other minors. They haven’t been sentenced yet, but face juvenile detention, expulsion, and a variety of other life-altering consequences.

This is somehow in their best interests—and the interests of kids everywhere—authorities claim.

The suspected students, who range in age from 11 to 15, are accused of taking, trading, and selling inappropriate photos, according to philly.com:

Victims and participants told investigators that images of child erotica, nudity, child pornography, and pornography had been created, sent, stored, and viewed by students at their homes and in school over the last six months, Tredyffrin Township police said. The students attended Valley Forge and Tredyffrin/Easttown middle schools.

In one incident, a student allegedly offered to sell an explicit image of a classmate to another student. In another, police say, a student took an image of a sex act from the Internet and distributed it to classmates, saying it featured a female student in their schools.

"Incidents such as these are greatly concerning, especially due to its impact on young victims and their families," Police Superintendent Anthony Giaimo said in a statement Tuesday, a day after the charges were filed. "We urge parents to take a very active role in monitoring Internet and cell usage on the part of their children."

Urge parents to engage with their kids and talk to them about appropriate cell phone usage? Great idea! You know what’s not a great idea? What the cops are actually doing: pretending kids who swap nude photos are child pornographers and locking them up for it.

And yet the people who make and enforce these laws are always claiming that they have the kids’ best interests at heart:

Many of the children in the Tredyffrin case took images of themselves at home with the location settings activated on their phones, [a police spokesperson] said. That means people who view the images, including child predators, would be able to determine where they live.

But again, if the goal is actually to protect kids from child predators (a greatly exaggerated fear), then just scold them for putting each other at risk; there’s no need to drag them into the criminal justice system for showing typical levels of teen interest in sex and their own bodies.

The levelling of charges, even juvenile charges, should not be viewed as some low-cost precondition to keeping kids safe, but a horrible, life-derailing consequence in and of itself. Even if it were the case that child predators were a particularly significant threat, and locking kids up the only way to deter them from sharing pictures that attract the predators, I’m not sure the tradeoff would be worth it. But we live in a country where paranoid delusions about safety provide cover for police to enforce absurd laws that make life miserable for kids.

Photo Credit: Dreamstime

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  • Crusty Juggler||

    These prosecutors and police officers should be commended for getting these filthy criminals off the street.

  • commodious spittoon||

    "Incidents such as these are greatly concerning, especially due to its impact on young victims and their families," Police Superintendent Anthony Giaimo said in a statement Tuesday, a day after the charges were filed.

    "It may turn out that such incidents are not nearly psychologically or emotionally damaging enough without police intervention, so we take our role in filing charges against them very seriously."

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    11 yr olds engaging in trafficking? Seems like the punishment is light.

  • commodious spittoon||

    At eleven they're exchanging nudes; at twelve, exchanging tweenage girls in captivity.

    Sexting: not even once.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I've talked to teachers in a few area schools and they tell me that schools make zero effort to engage students about what consequences will be placed on them for situations involving social media or smartphone misuse such as what's being alleged in this case. That juvenile detention can be a lucrative business in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania probably has nothing to do with that.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    schools make zero effort to engage students

    What school has the resources to employ the TKO Horns?

  • Alice Bowie||

    The American Justice System is turning into a SLOT MACHINE.

    You never know when you will win the boobie prize.

  • Sevo||

    Alice Bowie|11.4.15 @ 6:07PM|#
    "The American Justice System is turning into a SLOT MACHINE.
    You never know when you will win the boobie prize."

    If more of us didn't lick gov't dick, maybe that could change. But keep right on lickin', Alice.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • AlmightyJB||

    It took the entire department months to review the pictures.

  • Suicidy||

    And Costco packs of hand lotion.

  • esteve7||

    Yup, ruin an 11 yo's life over a mistake. That makes sense. For their own good.

    Yeah.

  • AlmightyJB||

    or ruin some young persons life for smoking pot like the last 3 presidents have admitted to doing. Busing Adobe's (that is android spellcheck for Being assholes) is what it is all about evidently.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    "BUSING ADOBE'S" IS A NEW MEME!

  • Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper||

    That's just Reasonoids busing adobe's - cause that's how they do, yo.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Only those busing adobe's wouldn't employ the term.

  • commodious spittoon||

    (a)busing adobe is what a lot New Mexicans do, thinking a bad earth-brick job makes their homes look authentic.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    The rich white folk go with Stucco. Only the hippies do adobe.

  • Quincy.||

    Busey-ing Adobe, coming soon to HGTV.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Would watch.

  • ||

    Cops.

    Didn't I just read a story earlier about cops somewhere thinking it is a good idea to steal people's stuff to teach them a lesson about locking their cars?

    Some people think these are the only ones who should be allowed to carry guns.

  • ||

    Many of the children in the Tredyffrin case took images of themselves at home with the location settings activated on their phones, [a police spokesperson] said. That means people who view the images, including child predators, would be able to determine where they live.

    "I mean, that's how we found them, so, you know, someone who had bad intentions, you know, like not a cop, could do the same thing. And you know, some of those houses were in nice neighborhoods and they had nice stuff, so you know someone, like, not a cop, could have bad intentions and like, do a whole civil forfeiture burglary thing from the information in those pictures so, you know we've got to, you know protect the children and their families."

  • ||

    Our "justice" system doesn't just attract the worst possible people for the job. It also clearly attracts flat-out sadists. It's so fucking broken.

  • ||

    Yes, sadism is very common for cops. By common I mean nearly universal.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Unfortunately it extends well past the cops to most of the population. Fucking people.

  • ||

    Sadism in fucking people?
    I knew about them already. Those are a different kind of sadist.

  • ||

    OT: Just seen on tv. Realtor dot com advertisement for their app that allows prospective buyers to redline. The app even lets you draw an actual red line.

    How long before the progs start screeching and Realtor dot com has to retract the app?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Which way do they vote?

    Hint: They're overpaid retards

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    At least it WASN'T Florida ...

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    A recent paper that introduces the term "juvenoia", i.e. the irrational fear of new social and technological developments' influence on children.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Didn't the Gramophone introduce jazz music to white women?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    What the hell did I just see?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I don't, I don't... I...

  • Tejicano||

    All I can say is that I am glad I would never have found that on my own.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    "In another, police say, a student took an image of a sex act from the Internet and distributed it to classmates, saying it featured a female student in their schools."

    That's a crime? ORLY

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Pics or it didn't happen.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Well, it's a tort, at least.

  • Sevo||

    Class action if he didn't name anyone, and if the gal in the net image is a hotty, it might be hard to 'collect signatures'.

  • Homple||

    As far as the law dealing with children goes, Charles Dickens's London has nothing on us anymore.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    I park my never-clean (because acres of 100 foot oaks cum on it every fucking day all the goddamn day] Toyota Highlander behind a goddamn shiny maroon mom van every fucking day to pick up my offspring because that is the only fucking spot available on the per usual when I slide my craft alongside all the Christians and fucking farmers and her imbecile bumper decal screams at my rolling eyeballs 'A Million Police FLAWLESSLY Protect America Every Day".

    Fuck you, you fat fucking greasy bitch.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I thought "protecting America" was the job of the military; whereas, the job of the police is 'keep the peace'.

  • Pathogen||

    Details, HM.. Details..

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    FLAWLESS VICTORY

  • Agile Cyborg||

    all you lovely marmalades are flawless. What the FUCK does that even mean like you cam as your arms posted this letterage.

  • some guy||

    "Peace keepers" died out decades ago. They've been replaced by "Law Enforcement Officers". The priorities are... different.

  • ||

    'A Million Police FLAWLESSLY Protect America Every Day".

    The "National Safe Site: This country has been operating for 0 consecutive days without incident." bumpersticker must already exist.

  • Trigger Hippie||

    *golf clap*

  • RAHeinlein||

    Home. School. Now.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Massive strata of this America experiment are rife with adults prancing among the thorns of power with way too much fucking goddamn brass knuckle, lovelies. Fucked-up American strata is littered with bent cans and flat tires and mean bitches and venomous alleyways and police orgs sit at the top of this horrible malaise next to doorstep gangstas and if you drive really far into the edges pulling all that crap on a trailer you'll find lots of millionaires scared silly who scream like little girls.

    Fuck this fucking stew of lame hells.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    I just want to rip the faces off modern society
    and assassinate its weak knees with gunshot cum
    while screaming at the fucking sun over my nightmares.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    my fingers have eyeballs on their tips.

  • GamerFromJump||

    You have the Parasyte?

  • Agile Cyborg||

    I have to pause Milsap to die for a second. My face will suck itself and arrive awhile ago. And then the moonbeams. They are awesome shining through a piles of bottles.

    I will venture forth and return. when the clouds sink. and the leaves droop. and the darkness plays with my doge.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    You think about the state. And its democracy. And its fingers full of religions and politics and demands. Democracy has pregnant fingers and no goddamn way democracy can encapsulate its myriads dreamers, lovers, and faith followers. No fucking way, man.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    American democracy is a lilted machine gasping to become. Which is far better than placing Greenwald in Saudi Arabia and making him toss lines about gays. He'd be headburnt and the lilted American machine would still be gasping while agile would shed more than a few tears.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Fucking love storm kings and reason kings.
    Both of which can be enjoyed in this climax spilling
    from god and satan cock mixing briskly and carving
    out a heaven versus hell rainbow of lost times and missed opportunities.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    my fucking face hates even bleeding words and shit under that goddamn ass-raping headline because I just want to goddamn rip heads off shoulders and not fucking write fucking love letters to my ninjas.

    Like if i was in bed and fell asleep and had an imaginary experience I would pull a chain saw in my dream and simply cut the heads off of these cops as a boy dreamer. Dreams are awesome. If I had another dream where all my lights settled under the light lovely voice of Ronnie Milsap I would daydream that I would take these cops and smash their heads under a very heavy hammer in my dream. Course my fingertips have eyeballs and I am being a goddamn metaphor king, brah... I would also fucking ask that these shitty fucking human beings remove their badges and belts and I, agile cyborg, COULD beat the FUCK out of three human beings that acted like ISIS on a kid. I have had MANY FUCKING battles on the streets as white fuck with spring steel spread across the joints of my body.

    Definitely would be a bad day for three thugs if they mess with agile. Three eyeballs in my hand and at least four testicles with screaming bloody bodies on the concrete. But I have dinner, so fuck your shit, meanies.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Pot full of cop balls and eyes. Boil. Place in a blender. Feed Yoshi. and then I woke up. Wow... what amazing make believe, attorneys. Watch THAT movie sometime little fucking fed bitches. smirk.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Should make communist cop unions scream bloody murder, agile. I wonder if Gawker would agree.

    Union cop balls and eyes in a soup over Black Lives Matter. I don't give a fuck. Cop balls and eyes that kill and injure citizens have met their demise in agile's dreams. so I guess Gawker should stop being a shitty marxist site brimming with shitty fucking lazy fucking losers...

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Sorry, Nick. Agile has dreams. Lots of mental naps and the shit that happens in those naps, brother.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Tarantino would enjoy my dreams and i his.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Like if the earth bumped a dude and that dude punched the earth
    I think the earth should fuck that bumper with earth pussy and cock
    So the dude is pinned down out there somewhere on orbit and shit and
    earth is going to cock and vagina this mystically enlarged earth bumper
    and he screams when earth inserts its mountains into his asshole while
    the cunt of earth the grand canyon rapes his fucking cock.

    Don't punch earth, dude. Or earth will rape you with its mountains and vagina.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Fact is, these linear straits to hellacious places are lined with pulverizing blood grindstones and screaming demons, man. Best way to die... kick and flail on a reason thread until you run the gauntlet, bitch. Shit is lined with spaceship lords, blood kings, nasty queens, metal gauss, shine throne bauds, bullet pumpers, ninja throttlers, wrinkled atom bomb stickers, and star babies.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    so fuck this world
    I really have lost my arms to it
    I won't lose my face to it
    I won't lose my tears to it, man

    I painted some shelves with ocean colors tonight and I put the shelves on the sides of my bed with my lover.
    and she placed her phone on that dry paint and fell asleep.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    FoE your Ohio is a golden finger flicking moonbeams and peace into your space den.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    The lines fall, man
    they drip.
    what is a line?
    a line is a billion thoughts.
    a thought travels on lines.
    and lines punch space
    and clouds and love.
    Lines can softly fade
    as they should.
    no line should remain powerful
    because lines are the sketches
    underneath our lives
    they are the spirits and sprites
    of our egos and energies
    and agile postss this and
    looks into the dreams of his brothers

  • some guy||

    Is this what you do all night? I think I'm going to start showing up after the PM Links more often...

  • Calidissident||

    OT: If the latest polls are any indication, the GOP primary seems to be narrowing to Carson, Trump, Cruz, and Rubio. If the non-pols eventually collapse, that would leave Cruz and Rubio battling it out. Rubio, with establishment backing, has a pretty good shot, but Cruz is a very serious threat if he can begin to consolidate the anti-establishment sentiment (much of which is currently going to the non-politicians Carson and Trump) behind him. I don't think Trump wins, but I think at this point it's not unthinkable that he will. I still would be shocked if Carson won.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    a sweet lovely southernly wanga winga revival tent bitch loved candidate will be up on that fucking strange horrible shitty office person the Gawker dummies love.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    the soul is a line
    dripping and falling
    on the notes of planets

  • Agile Cyborg||

    also stars screaming like fucking pigs
    are space hogs

  • Agile Cyborg||

    so all the brave ships sailing on all the seas masterfucking the earth and shit shine their ships all across the oceans and the stores on the edges of shitty places in the fucking horrible plane of middle-class killed America...

    yea, I just died.

    fuck hillary and every single goddamn presidential g'opus candidate...

    this nation is mud.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    modern america is the box where if dreaming ninjas killed all the heads on cnn and fox and msnbc and nbc and cnbc and all those people were buried and replaced with actual robots...

    agile would look at these robots and agree. All the faces he'd been watching for years can be replaced with dumb robots because all the faces on all the fucking cable crap already look like robots.

    sweet. send all your fucking shit faces home cable network news and buy japanese robots. I hate your fucking faces Fox, Cnn, Msnbc, and cum all... send them all home to retire.

    Modern news on the screen is nothing more than robot faces reading team scripts.

    So fuck TV. I hate you. I FUCKING HATE.

    you are awful. worthless. and so embarassing.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    wednesday night drugged agile catchment. sweet, no new links. I guess my fucking trippy dollars haven't purchased fucking favor with the goddam scribes.

  • Quincy.||

    Here, new link.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    well thats insanely beautiful, q beloved.

  • AlmightyJB||

    That was better than Brad Paisly.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    the walls were sorta orange and I hated being watched by this fucking bitch when I was a little boy. Karen was her name and her house was fucking horrible and the corners were filled with darkness and when mom and dad needed me watched they sent me to her before she went away. Her son was odd and had fucking weird hair but he was hurt and I decided he was ok. but the walls never went away because he cried all the time. and the corners only left when Karen left the cult because I wasn't sent there. those walls were surfed with angels crying with depression and I was left broken as a five year old boy. I remember the soul removal and fear decades later, man.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    I fell down in an alley and hurt my elbow and it still hurts 30 years later. and that alley was filled with dreams, pain, love... Melissa when you sat with your knees up in our old hallway that day when the sun shone through the windows in 1988 I looked at you and my cock spurted sperm under my jeans to my knees baby. And I was so young and enamored and walked past you so weak and after I closed the door to the bathroom under the fucking wallpaper of trumpet players I cleaned my cock and legs off and fell in love with you and then you sauntered outside and you were gone.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Sweet Melissa. I think we all loved her.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Beloved AjB, I would have shared Melissa with you, love.

  • MSimon||

    Aviva Feldman. Nice Ds. And only 16. And Carol Rosenbaum. And Helen Katz.

  • Rasilio||

    Mostly off topic but too good not to share...

    http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/1.....vist.html#

    Chrissy Keenan, a UCLA senior, is the president of Bruin Consent Coalition, a campus group that works to raise awareness regarding sexual assault on campus. “When people know of me but they don’t really know the work, they hear the term ‘feminist’ or ‘sexual-violence prevention,’ they think, ‘super-extreme, bra-burning feminism,’” she explains, which often puts people on the defensive.

    Keenan herself, though, sometimes finds it hard not to go on the offensive. She’s so used to laying down the nitty-gritty details of consent that she's been known to open romantic interactions with a spiel that feels straight out of a student handbook.

    She animatedly tells a story about a recent Tinder rendezvous: “One time, I agreed to meet with this guy at 8 or 9 at night. Before we met, I said to him, ‘This is the work I do, I know the chief of police ... so, don't try and get creepy; I know all my rights.’ And five minutes later, he was like, ‘Actually, I'm really not OK with how you just assume I'm a bad guy. And I get very bad vibes from that, so we shouldn't hang out anymore.’”

    “I was in a rage. He was a total fuckboy about consent,” she said.
  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Her being fat and ugly has nothing to do with her problem. Nope, that's not it at all!

  • See Double You||

    Damn it, you mean she wasn't that girl in the stock photo?

  • Rhywun||

    OMG and this linked on the same page:

    From left: Max Taylor, right, is transmasculine and pansexual; Levi Back, on the bed, is panromantic, asexual, and agender.
    Amina Sayeed identifies as an aromantic, agender demi-girl with connection to the female binary gender.
    “I feel like I’m in a candy store and there’s all these different options,” says Darya Goharian, 22, a senior from an Iranian family in a wealthy D.C. suburb who identifies as trans nonbinary.

    Oh what the hell, just pick any random sentence.

    The funny/sad part is I can't tell if they're making fun of these people or not.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

  • Rhywun||

    How boring.

  • Rich||

    This should queer, um, *clear* everything up.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Thanks...I...um...needed that.

  • Lt. Viktor Burakov||

    Like another hole in the head, maybe.

  • ||

    Amina Sayeed identifies as an aromantic, agender demi-girl with connection to the female binary gender.

    I hate these filthy neutrals.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    His response was reasoned, realistic, calm and proper. Its very likely he just avoided being the "cause" of a mattress girl performance art project.

    In a way, this guy is a mentor to me, quickly recognizing and walking away from the crazy.

  • Galactic Chipper Cdr Lytton||

    “I was in a rage. He was a total fuckboy about consent,” she said.

    He's not allowed to withdraw his consent and she verbally abuses him for doing so? The useful idiots never imagine that they will end up at their own guillotine/firing squad/camps.

  • Lt. Viktor Burakov||

    "There was one time, one guy, knowing what I did and what I talked about, he made consent part of foreplay,” she reacalls. “You know, very intentionally asking, ‘Is this okay? Is this okay?’ It was cute. It was great.”

    Or, here's another theory - this suitor artfully combined sex and sarcasm while dickin' a SJW. High-five, my man!

  • Agile Cyborg||

    I drew the face of a girl I was in love with in 1991 and she knew all 5 artists were in love with her because she was nice. very nice. Her cheeks rhymed with rainbows. Her eyes looking into eternity and my pencil cried when i sketched her. She would act so bored and her hair was like a forest of a million dicks cumming while she ate soup. I wrote her a note and slipped it into her fucking locker and ran away like a fucking little man just shat from a vagina. She was awesome and Tim drew her so well and that long-haired metal dude did fucking badass shit but he drew so fucking slow... my art was the best. we were in advanced art.. all 4 of us... I only remember three of us, tho... I wish I could remember that 4th person. fuck it. I feel bad. Tim had a huge face and metal boy was sweet and looked like Jesus and drew very well but fucking slow.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I feel like if I hung out with you, you'd get me laid.

  • MSimon||

    The cause of child pornography is children. We can solve this problem by doing away with them.

  • Quincy.||

    The Chinese were once world leaders in this field. Thomas Friedman has a sad.

  • AlmightyJB||

    For the children

  • See Double You||

    We had to kill the child in order to save him.

    /cop

  • ||

    I don't know why I have to keep justifying to myself why I fucking hate people in general when bullshit like this is approved of by most people in this fucked up country.

    Sometimes my wife and I will just go out on a nice day and drive around, going wherever we can find that we haven't been before. She still gets frustrated with me when she'll make a comment like 'oh, I really like this neighborhood, maybe we should buy a house and move here, and look we would have neighbors'. And then I say 'Well, that's exactly why I don't want to move here, because there would be neighbors and those neighbors are 99% likely to be fucking assholes like most of the ones we already have'. She has a lot to learn yet about your average Murikan busybody fucksticks.

  • Rhywun||

    This is why I like living in a big city - I have neighbors but we completely ignore each other.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You don't have neighbors now?

  • See Double You||

    He's trying to tell us he lives in a bunker.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    You know who else lived in a bunker?

  • ||

    Archie's ulcer?

  • Agile Cyborg||

    test

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Nope. Nothing here.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    posted tons of lines and fucking loves on fonts that led to empty pages like I never experienced here before... very fucking odd and disconcert.... tons of poets on this site should check their revelations.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    why should i give a single fuck? the garden was clean and neat and the most important sections had been cared for.
    I looked past the frame of this shitty place and felt so goddamn lonely. I could walk upstairs and fucking see for myself that earth had been disappeared... but I did not FUCKING have the energy for this loss.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    My arms are tired from pulling at the handles.
    Space is fucking dead tired and lonely.
    the goddamn weight of dying slowly isn't something
    you pray over. the stars outside the thick glass are dead. not fucking making a single goddamn sweet memory either...

    shit is fucked up man like all the fucking things are slurring and shit

  • Agile Cyborg||

    I'm pissed off because I FUCKING am fucked up and penned a couple of shit stories for people who hate shit like this and my fucking face ass crap and all those tons of lines are gone. Fucking purely original writ on this fucking thread which are perfect pussy for pissy dicks but all that shit is gone , man. gone. I can't even fucking reproduce that ever because I suck. Even sucky assholes can type crap that is readable on the FUCKING rare occasion. All my lines FUCKING gone. Thanks reason.

    I am a caustic horrible shitty fuck, though so I guess I deserve what i get.

  • ||

    AC is really on a roll tonight. It's AC TV!

  • widget||

    He's as interesting to me as William S. Burroughs II. Somewhat, that is.

    After one look at this planet any visitor from outer space would say I want to see the manager.

  • Sevo||

    I caught an article on Burroughs a year or so back; he was more interesting in the article than I'd found him in the original.
    Still seemed to be 'freedom for me and screw the rest of you'.

  • np||

    What the cops are actually doing: pretending kids who swap nude photos are child pornographers and locking them up for it.

    Except however, that is the law. As long as you have a positive law system this kind of thing will always happen where the only recourse is arbitrary, selective enforcement used to get around the inherent logical inconsistencies. Such as minors (whose age is arbitrary) being arbitrarily classed as not old enough to consent or be responsible for themselves, yet still illogically, held responsible for crimes. It's where the victim can also be the perpetrator as is the case for anyone under 18.

    Rather than having criminal statutes, if all crimes were treated as tort then the entire problem is solved. Currently, the naming of legal cases for ALL crimes is "state vs defendant". With the transformation to tort, all crimes would be "plaintiff vs defendant" with the restitution (which can be in forms other than money) being proportional to the transgression, and most important, the initiating and drive of the case being performed by the actual victim or their representative, with consent of the victim.

  • Sevo||

    How does the victim of murder bring action?

  • np||

    We can safely assume that without evidence of suicide that the victim wanted to live, so given that is what they wanted, anyone can seek justice on their behalf.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    It's an intriguing notion. It would certainly not work under our current tort system, but it's an interesting thought experiment.

  • Sevo||

    Frank, I think the first 'thought experiment' means it's DOA if you'll forgive the pun.
    While most of us tend to agree that values are individual rather than social, a individual value can be expressed in social terms; society doesn't tolerate murder because we, individually, don't wish to suffer it. So 'social crimes' become valid.
    Here, the criminal is encouraged to make sure none of those suffering from the crime live. Not a good incentive.
    DOA.

  • np||

    You're right it wouldn't work under the modern legal implementation of tort, but the Germanic tribes and the Icelandic free state used the Weregild which is the same concept as tort, where crimes are treated as restitution in response to damage to property. Note that wikipedia distinguishes weregild as in man-price from blood-price, but the concept of restitution is the same and the weregild as practiced in Iceland included the later as far as I know.

    The interesting part was how "manning up" to your actions was such the norm that you were not considered an outlaw if you conducted a raid so long as you announced your raid. This is so the victims or their families could seek restitution--which can include retribution. You were only an outlaw in Iceland if you did not declare the raid i.e. tried to get away with it.

  • np||

    The concept is not completely foreign to English tradition either. David Friedman discusses the shif from private to public prosecution:
    scanned pdf: http://digitalcommons.law.scu......xt=facpubs
    html text: http://www.daviddfriedman.com/.....Crime.html

    The history of English law enforcement, from the middle ages to the present, shows a gradual and uneven shift from private to public enforcement; it starts with an Anglo-Saxon law based largely on private feud[11] and ends with a system of public police and public prosecutors. This raises the question of why these changes occurred. At least three different classes of explanation are worth considering.
  • np||

    This also relates to the fact that England used to have private police forces.

  • SIV||

    Last night was a rough night for the Cosmotarian Moment. Nick was heartbroken the mean ol' SoConz locked him out of the ladies' room

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Christ, you are an insufferable asshole.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    But enough about Jesus, what about SIV?

  • Dread Pirate Roberts||

    The goal is to keep the school to prison pipeline flowing.

  • BigT||

    "But we live in a country where paranoid delusions about safety provide cover for police to enforce absurd laws that make life miserable for EVERYONE."

    FIFY

  • Henry Baker||

    Next to school boards and school administrators, there's nothing stupider and more devoid of common sense on the planet than thug pigs with guns and badges.

  • Lt. Viktor Burakov||

    Would you arrest two 11 year olds for show each other their junk at home? Probably not, so why does using a camera suddenly make it apocalyptic to their development? News flash! Kids about to hit puberty get real curious about naughty bits and start seeking information about the subject, whether the State (or even parents) likes it or not.

  • Alan@.4||

    What the hell, the cops didn't shoot any of these dangerous types.

  • Tionico||

    meanwhile, in another part of the country, a federal court has MANDATED that a male student be allowed to undress and shower at the same time and in the same open room as female stucents do. The girls in this case do NOT want him to be in there when they are undressed and/or showering... yet a judge in a federal court has mandated they have no choice. And this town is worried about eleven year olds taking nudie pics?

    Can ANYONE can or think "DOUBLE STANDARD"? Is there any absolute morality any more?

  • ConstitutionFirst||

    What about the victims?
    Don't they deserve some justice?
    Imagine it your daughter...
    Picture this totally inappropriate behavior going (basically) unpunished and where it will be just four years from now when they are in high school. Hey, it was ok then, let's kick it up a notch!

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