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Bernie Sanders Responds to Oregon Shooting: More Gun Control, More Mental Health, Less Violence in Media

Wants less shouting, more good policy.

BernieSanders.comBernieSanders.comSen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) joined the parade of politicians responding to the shooting at a community college in Oregon with their pre-selected political pronouncements before all the facts are even in. It's become a tradition. President Obama spoke last night while the media was still nailing down the name of the alleged gunmen.

Sanders posted his message to one of his Facebook pages. He has two, one for his Senate position and one for his presidential campaign. This was posted on his senatorial Facebook:

The American people are horrified by these never-ending mass shootings. Our hearts go out to the families and friends of the innocent victims. As a nation, we must do everything we can to put an end to this awful epidemic of senseless slaughter.

We need a comprehensive approach. We need sensible gun-control legislation which prevents guns from being used by people who should not have them. We must greatly expand and improve our mental health capabilities so individuals and families can get the psychological help they need when they need it. We also have to tone down the incredibly high level of gratuitous violence which permeates our media.

The shouting at each other must end. The hard work of developing good policy must begin.

Sanders has historically been more or less in favor of gun rights. While the state he represents, Vermont, has among the fewest gun laws in the country (and among the lowest rates of gun violence in the country), his position on guns is likely not just a matter of electoral expediency. As Jesse Walker noted, Liberty Union, the minor party of which Sanders was a member in the 1970s, opposed all gun laws.

Sanders' position on guns, then, is more of an artifact of his Old Left origins than mere political expediency. His position earned him the help of the National Rifle Association (NRA) during his first successful campaign for U.S. Congress, which in turn has yielded a line of attack for the other non-Clinton Democratic presidential candidates still stuck in low single digits.

Sanders has supported gun control measures before. While he voted against the Brady Bill, saying waiting periods for buying handguns were best left for the states, and for bills limiting the liability of gun manufacturers in lawsuits, Sanders also voted for the 1994 assault weapons ban and for expanded federal background checks.

Sanders' Facebook comment about keeping guns away from "people who should not have them," then, likely refers to more background checks. Oregon, where yesterday's shooting took place, passed a mandatory universal background check law earlier this year.

The rest of Sanders' comments are best understood when keeping in mind his differences with the Democrats' anti-gun orthodoxy. He mentions fixing the mental health system and the "gratuitous violence" in the mainstream media, both talking points previously deployed by the NRA.

The temptation to deflect the scapegoating of guns for violence by scapegoating mental health laws or violence in pop culture should be resisted. The truth about mental illness and guns is you can't predict who will become violent just based on perceived mental illness, so drawing the connection inevitably leads to large scale civil liberties abuses. Only 4.3 percent of the "severely" mentally ill ever commit any kind of act of violence, while the rate for the non-severely mentally ill is the same as for the "normal" general population. "The idea that mental health professionals can accurately predict which seemingly harmless people will turn violent has no basis in fact," Jacob Sullum wrote after the Sandy Hook shooting.

Which leaves the tired old canard about violence in pop culture. Even as ideological social science researchers insist media in the U.S. is getting more violent, rates of violence in the U.S. are actually going down, with younger social science researchers starting to question and debunk years of confirmation bias, as Ronald Bailey wrote earlier this year. And it's far from clear mass and pop culture are getting more violent in the first place.

Sanders wants less shouting and more good policy making, hard to argue with. But good policy making is easier said than done, and requires a divorce from just the kind of emotional drivers at play in the wake of tragedies. Hard cases make bad law, something learned over and over again.

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  • ||

    The greatest hits from my facebook friends on this incident:

    "People who are going to argue against gun control should come have to explain to 3 and 4 year olds why we need to play "hide and seek" whenever the principal uses our lockdown code word."

    "Laws won't stop all gun violence. Since that statement establishes gun laws are not 100% effective, we can say they are not effective. Since we can say they are not effective, we should not have any. Since we should not have any laws regulating the possession of guns we have no means of stopping gun tragedies. What a shame."

    And there's a lot more. When people make these arguments I always ask, " So what laws do you propose would end these sorts of things. And remember we have to be sure to not infringe on people's Second Amendment rights or privacy. They really never have a great answer or get really angry and admit that they are all for confiscation.

  • derpules||

    "Laws won't stop all gun violence. Since that statement establishes gun laws are not 100% effective, we can say they are not effective. Since we can say they are not effective, we should not have any. "

    Get rid of any law that's not 100% effective? Makes sense to me.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    Can we expand this rule to other areas of the law? I've got a list...

  • derpules||

    Why not expand it to politicians as well?

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    I've got a list of that, too.*

    *juvenile internet bluster and hyperbole

  • Jordan||

    "People who are going to argue against gun control should come have to explain to 3 and 4 year olds why we need to play "hide and seek" whenever the principal uses our lockdown code word."

    I'd be happy to come and explain the concepts of irrational fear, panic, and risk to those kids.

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    They already familiar with pants-wetting so they're halfway there.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Meanwhile, just a few days ago, a six-year-old was killed by a goddamn drunk driver while playing in her friend's driveway. Where the hell is President Urkel and Senator Goodhair when things like this happen to call for more restrictions on alcohol use and distribution, if increased regulation is always the answer at all times? It's 4 DA CHILLUN! as leftists like to say.

  • Jordan||

    Well, the government has already made it illegal for children to play outside unattended. Problem solved!

  • Free Society||

    There's too many unregulated driveways in this country.

  • Free Society||

    That fucker:

    After witnesses prevented him from leaving, Grayson called his mother, neighbor Judy Templin-Williams told the Post-Gazette. "Mom, I just ruined my life," Grayson allegedly said.

    He was so concerned that he just ruined his life, never mind the life he ended and the family whose lives he ruined.

  • lap83||

    My thoughts too

    "Oh, I just killed a little girl? Great, just what I needed."

    The narcissism is astounding

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    This murder trial is really going to cramp my vacation plans

  • lap83||

    *groan* They'll never let me hear the end of it!

  • SIV||

    Officers had to physically restrain Ava's father, Dave Campbell, from attacking Grayson, the complaint says.

    In a civilized society there would be no police to stop him.

  • ||

    "People who are going to argue against gun control should come have to explain to 3 and 4 year olds why we need to play "hide and seek" whenever the principal uses our lockdown code word."

    I explained it to my 8 yr. old when he was 5 and my 6 yr. old when he started kindergarten.

    The school had them hiding under their desks behind locked doors in a classroom of all windows. While both rooms had an emergency exit that lead directly outside. I told them both to go out that door. Both of them, at the time, told me "It's against the rules." I explained that, if bad things like that happen, you need to put the safety of yourself and others first and we can worry about the rules later.

    If you would like me to come over and explain it to your 3 and 4 yr. old, I will. Please be aware that my explanation about keeping yourself safe and being prepared in unpredictable situations could reflect poorly on your parenting practices.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    It isn't common sense to leave the hive herd school.

  • lap83||

    "So what laws do you propose would end these sorts of things. And remember we have to be sure to not infringe on people's Second Amendment rights or privacy."

    When I argue with people about gun control I don't even mention rights, because they don't care. They equate your right to a gun with increased gun violence. All you can do is point out that the laws never have the desired effect and in fact tend to make it worse.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Also ask them if these laws will be enforced by the same bunch of people who shot Michael Brown.

  • mr burns||

    Put everyone into gulags in siberia . There were few incidents of zeks committing mass murders of school children.

  • LarryA||

    "People who are going to argue against gun control should come have to explain to 3 and 4 year olds why we need to play "hide and seek" whenever the principal uses our lockdown code word."

    Because the school is a "gun-free" zone, so the teachers and administrators can't shoot back.

  • Bruce D||

    Actually, there is some evidence that news reportage may cause copycat killings and suicides.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/nat.....ow/266439/

    http://ithp.org/articles/media.....tings.html

    If I wasn't a libertarian, I'd advocate media control. I have no love for the sanctimonious, self-righteous talking heads.

  • Bruce D||

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Every psychiatrist, both armchair and accredited, should be able to institutionalize any person they consider to be dangerous.

  • The Grinch||

    It wouldn't be just the supposedly dangerous. They would err on the side of extreme caution to limit liability. Depressed or anxious? Bye bye guns.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Seeing a psychiatrist? That's crazy.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    Expressing skepticism in Dear Leader? Paranoid, delusional, anti-social...lock'im up.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Want to buy a gun? See a psychiatrist first.

    Seeing a psychiatrist? That's crazy.

  • Princess Trigger||

    We don't have enough room in our terribly underfunded (Damn You, Reagan!) mental health institutions. I propose some temporary camps, perhaps in the wide-open spaces of Montana and North Dakota, to house these poor deluded and damaged persons. Maybe some manual labor will help them fill the time between self-criticism/group sessions.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Arbeiten macht Geistig Gesund.

  • commodious spittoon||

    -en

  • Free Society||

    We don't want them to be put into wide open spaces. Someone needs to devise some sort of camp where they can be... concentrated.

  • Riven||

    Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

  • DesigNate||

    Maybe it could be some kind of camp where they learn to concentrate on not being crazy?

  • Free Society||

    Konzentration Macht Frei

  • Michael Ejercito||

    I heard there is an excellent site off Hwy 395, near Lone Pine, California, which will make an excellent site for a camp.

  • ||

    Every psychiatrist, both armchair and accredited, should be able to institutionalize any person they consider to be dangerous.

    Every psychiatrist should be trained and licensed to whatever firearms standard their local/regional municipality dictates and are obligated to offer secure, safe storage of any/all firearms their patients may own and will make them available again at any time. Their patients are entirely free to refuse the offer.

    If you're going to declare, by fiat, that someone is irresponsible and shouldn't own a gun, wishing the gun into non-existence doesn't make the actual gun or the responsibility go away and, just as you would just ask for their keys, if they were drunk, rather than seizing their car and crushing it into a cube you will accept some small measure of responsibility in lieu of whatever tragedy you portend or fear.

  • The Grinch||

    It sounds like Bernie's answer is to restrict the 2nd Amendment and the 1st as well and maybe the 4th (so long HIPAA protections). After all, it's unfortunate but people desire violent media-no one is forcing it down our throats. He's advocating the withholding of a desired product and depriving the mentally ill of a right without adequate due process for some nebulous greater good.

    No wonder the left is creaming it's collective jeans over this moron.

  • See Double You||

    No wonder the left is creaming it's collective jeans over this moron.

    Now that the left is in power, they have gone full fascist. See also the calls for RICO investigations of "climate change deniers."

    Bernie and Sheldon Whitehouse should head newly-created Ministry of Truth.

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    that RICO letter disappeared once the org posting it found out about the lead scientist's penchant for double-dipping grants.

  • thom||

    "More mental health" is a progressive euphemism for "government list of people who no longer have rights because we said so and they have no recourse."

  • AlmightyJB||

    We should designate mass murder free zones

  • Hamster of Doom||

    YES. THIS IS THE SOLUTION.

  • Riven||

    Possibly...the final... solution?

  • Hugh Akston||

    I love that song

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    BRILLIANT!

  • See Double You||

    You mean to tell me that Bernie is not a gun rights advocate but just another politician using a tragedy to push for more state power and self-aggrandizement?

  • Notorious UGCC||

    All this "violence in media" research is BS. It starts from the premise that all violence is equivalent = all violence is icky, and violence with guns is super-icky.

    Thus, I haven't heard of any social "science" research which controls for whether the violence on the screen is appropriate under the scenario presented. If the hero knocks out the villain who is trying to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge, this is labelled as "violence" on the same moral level as the star of a nihilist movie killing people at random.

    Garbage in, garbage out.

    The social "scientists" basically assume that even viewing, or enacting, purely defensive violence, or violence in defense of one's country - or the whole world - is just the same as playing an amoral hit man or watching a glorification of a serial killer.

    In other words, the kind of movies and games young men and boys like are automatically Evil.

    If these "scientists" had their way, young men and boys would only watch *Love, Actually* on an endless loop, and the only video games they'd play would involve the characters braiding each others' hair and shopping.

  • commodious spittoon||

    I guarantee you a daily regimen of Love, Actually would inspire much more violence than the entire Die Hard franchise. It's the ur-film of engendering unrealistic expectations in beta personalities, the sort of young men who will inevitably be disappointed when real-world women decline to return their affection because actual women, unlike those of the film, have expectations of a fulfilling partner beyond being dreadfully obsequious nonentities.

  • Crusty Juggler||

  • commodious spittoon||

    Huh. Worth seeing?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    What happened to my response? Weird.

    It is just a scene from In The Loop, which I think is an extraordinarily funny film.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Yes. Best comedy in years.

  • Muzzled Woodchipper||

    You should have just used the old and trusted HnR description: Fonzi with a PhD.

  • ||

    It's the ur-film of engendering unrealistic expectations in beta personalities, the sort of young men who will inevitably be disappointed when real-world women decline to return their affection because actual women, unlike those of the film, have expectations of a fulfilling partner beyond being dreadfully obsequious nonentities.

    In this vein I wish(ed) Don Jon had been a better movie.

  • lap83||

    Love, Actually sucked so much. I'm pretty sure it was only popular because of the cast

  • Eric L||

    '...the only video games they'd play would involve the characters braiding each others' hair and shopping.'
    Have you been out shopping on Black Friday? People have been stabbed fighting over that big screen TV. There is a lot of hitting of fellow shoppers in the frenzy over on sale items.

  • Doctor Whom||

    If America were a civilised-with-an-s country, we'd have banned Black Friday by now. For the children!

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    Look, this is the same guy who thinks elections are being bought because people can spend more on campaigning now. This violence-in-media argument is consistent with his view that we're all just gullible idiots mimicking whatever's on the TV.

  • wareagle||

    we've seen this movie before. The ending never changes.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Bernie already has the BLM people crawling all over his ass, the last thing he needs is to have gun grabbers coming at him from stage left, too.

  • SIV||

    BLM=Bureau of Land Management AND #BlackLivesMatter

    Coincidence?

    I may ride this observation to a GA LP nomination

  • Ivan Pike||

    BLM=Bureau of Land Management AND #BlackLivesMatter

    Coincidence?

    Yes.

  • MetalBard||

    "If these "scientists" had their way, young men and boys would only watch *Love, Actually* on an endless loop, and the only video games they'd play would involve the characters braiding each others' hair and shopping."

    Ah yes the never ending pussification of America. I wonder if that is a contributing factor in some of this actually? I mean you create a population that is unable to cope with the slightest rejection, the slightest little insults, and some of them just go batshit insane as a result.

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    That movie taught me that if you creepily stare at the back of a girl's head long enough, she'll eventually move out of the country, Heathrow airport security post-9/11 is so porous, an anemic 8-year old ginger can circumvent it, SHANNON ELIZABETH in cowboy boots, Portugal is a 3rd World country, and sanitariums allow their residents 24/7 phone usage.

  • ||

    Yep, the precious snowflakes don't need people to feed their delusions of persecution. They need to be told to harden the fuck up.

  • RG||

    It's probably not a coincidence that it's happening at colleges. The place where every minor or perceived slight is a microaggression and where declaring yourself a victim of society actually raises your status.

  • LarryA||

    And it's not just the killers. We need more reactions like the French train attempted attack, which ended up with the killer's face in the carpet.

    Teaching students to lie on the floor or hide under desks sucks.

  • Millard Fillmore||

    My school had a lockdown (turned out to be over nothing, but I didn't know that when they were telling us to hide over the load speakers) and I took some scizzors and broke them in half (creating what were essentially two long ass knives) and crouched next to the door ready to kill any motherfucker who would mess with us.

    Guess who got suspended?

  • Drake||

    In other words, we need laws that keep people from breaking laws.

  • Tundra, well-chilled.||

    Just common sense ones, though, right?

  • Drake||

    Exactly!

  • Citizen X||

    Those who still believe in socialism despite the lessons of the 20th century probably shouldn't be talking about other people's mental health issues, Bernie.

  • See Double You||

    Bernie should be careful what he wishes for, amirite?

    He even looks like belongs in an institution.

  • See Double You||

    He even looks like [he] belongs in an institution.

    Jesus Christ, why do I keep omitting words in my posts?

  • Drake||

    Wow - If only somebody had the balls to say this to him in a debate.

  • DesigNate||

    Mary McGuirk
    I understand you likely believe that, and many have gone along with the AUSTERITY myth for a long time, but we have found that if we increase WELFARE for parents, and children especially, and decrease WARFARE...it isn't even a struggle to care for people...and SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAS EVER WORKED in the long run...collaboration and cooperation are key to civilization...ARISTOCRATS will never let you think that because it is not in their best interests...but check it out!

    and MASLOW's HIERARCHY of NEEDS shows clearly that people who are not economically secure are nowhere near as productive as they could be...austerity is a waste of human capital.

    People like this are the reason he's willing to try it.

  • Citizen X||

    Well, if Hurricane Joaquin wasn't enough of an excuse for me to head home early and drink all weekend, the existence of that sure is.

  • Free Society||

    "Fix the mental health system!" has become a gun-control rallying cry lately, and yet I've never actually seen one of these people offer direct criticisms of what exactly is wrong with "the mental health system" beyond the fact that we don't have psychiatrists with the unilateral power to declare people unfit for weapons ownership and commit people to loony bins at will.

  • F. Stand By Ion Control, Jr.||

    I've never actually seen one of these people offer direct criticisms of what exactly is wrong with "the mental health system"

    +1 broken immigration system

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    we don't have psychiatrists with the unilateral power to declare people unfit for weapons ownership and commit people to loony bins at will

    This is the problem. So long as it's the right sort of psychiatrists.

  • Hugh Akston||

    It's so refreshing to hear new ideas in politics.

  • kinnath||

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/.....arthy-gop/

    "You're going to have these things happen and it's a horrible thing to behold, horrible," Trump said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

    "It's not politically correct to say that, but you're going to have difficulty and that will be for the next million years, there's going to be difficulty and people are going to slip through the cracks," Trump added. "What are you going to do, institutionalize everybody?"

    It's a fucked up world when Trump is the voice of reason.

  • steve walsh||

    +1

  • The Grinch||

    Damn, that actually makes sense.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Why could we not have the U.S. Army go house to house, door tom door, looking for the mentally ill?

  • steve walsh||

    Don't just stand there, do something, anything, now!

  • Swiss Servator||

    OT: shriek hardest hit:

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. employers cut back sharply on hiring in September and added fewer jobs in July and August than previously thought - a sour note for a labor market that had been steadily improving.

    The economy added just 142,000 jobs last month, depressed by job cuts by manufacturers and oil drillers. The unemployment rate stayed 5.1 percent, but only because many Americans have stopped looking for work and are no longer counted as unemployed. The proportion of adults either with a job or looking for one is at a 38-year low.

  • Jordan||

    Related: GDPNow Forecast Plunges to 0.9% Following Advance Report on US Balance of Goods.

    Also, 3-month treasury yields have gone negative. Recovery summer, baby!

  • Free Society||

    Longest fucking summer ever

  • Free Society||

    Fuck, Shriek does victory laps when the labor market expands at a rate just below the rate of population growth. It doesn't matter how many times you point out the real unemployment rate, or the real the GDP growth figures, he loves him some government accounting tricks.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Lab for down to 62.4%. Progess!

  • Doctor Whom||

    We're still cleaning up Bush's messes. Also, the labor-force participation rate is entirely attributable to retirees and minors, not people who have just given up.

  • Swiss Servator||

    That was pretty good - work in something about gold and you'd have it down 100%

  • Citizen X||

    Also, call everyone here "Peanuts" and think you're being cute.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    Good grief.

  • Eric L||

    "The idea that mental health professionals can accurately predict which seemingly harmless people will turn violent has no basis in fact," Jacob Sullum wrote.
    The mental health professionals are not even good at identifying the mentally ill. Had an in-law that was a text-book example of a ‘covetous’ sociopath. Fooled many mental health professionals for decades. They are not above lying.

  • The Grinch||

    Not to mention, I'm certain a fairly large number of shrinks would subscribe to the "wanting to or owning a gun indicates a dangerously paranoid and therefore unstable individual" school of thought.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    And many, many people would stop seeing shrinks at all if there was a legitimate risk that their rights would be taken away

  • Eric L||

    Yes, that would be a rational response and sadly, most people who do go voluntarily to see a mental health professional have disorders that do not have a high probability of committing violence, such as phobias, eating or sleeping disorders, hoarding, etc.

  • Ron||

    people need to ask why all the shootings at schools most say because its the "gun free zones" but maybe it is an actual backlash against our liberal educations need to control every aspect of every life and the realization that the utopia they are trying to create is only oppression of the peoples thus making these shooters the first to not accept that form of life.

  • Drake||

    Maybe - we have also had 2 at military bases which are true gunfree zones as well.

  • OldMexican||

    We need a comprehensive approach. We need sensible [sensible?] gun-control legislation which prevents guns from being used by people who should not have them. We must greatly expand and improve our mental health capabilities so individuals and families can get the psychological help they need when they need it. We also have to tone down the incredibly high level of gratuitous violence which permeates our media.


    The Marxian, in a nutshell:

    a) Make it harder for all to possess guns.
    b) Make it easier to label someone a "nut" so he or she can't have guns.
    c) Censorship.

    Not even laws against murder stops people from committing murder, so what else besides imposing a total police state would prevent people from using guns to commit murder?

  • Michael Ejercito||

    That is the goal.

    Imagine a United States under full occupation by the U.S. Army, where people are forbidden to leave their homes without permission from the local military commander, and where the commanders' discretion to allow or deny such permission is only limited by the orders of their superiors, and where soldiers are ordered to gun down anyone who causes even the slightest trouble.

    I wonder if this would eliminate gun violence in this country.

  • Free Society||

    Imagine if we add up all the recorded murder victims of governments and compare it to the sum of all murder victims of non-government criminals, which figure do you think would be higher?

  • brady949||

    The American people are horrified by these never-ending mass shootings.

    Actually I think the country is pretty much desensitized to them now.

  • Pulseguy||

    Even forgetting the 2nd Amendment, let's suppose it was written away - still....what gun laws can you write that would stop these sorts of things from happening?

    There are 300 million hand guns out there. They'll last 100 years if looked after. Bad guys and/or crazed loners all can have ten if they so wish.

    These idiots think putting out a wish - we have to improve the mental health of people - is a plan.

  • Trump-o-Matic 5000||

    Never mind that I have yet to hear a gun-control argument that isn't equally applicable to all weapons and many, many common household items.

  • ranrod||

    Mental health as a weapon against the people is communist in origin, and the social sciences..

    Soviet Influence in America and Gun Control - - - -

    Deceptive Transformation: The Truth of Soviet Influence in America and Gun Control..
    The idea of using mental health as a weapon against the people is communist in origin, and the social sciences, or the studying of human behavior has its roots in early twentieth century Russia when Ivan Pavlov developed his "classical conditioning" theories. In fact, Pavlov was disturbed that Vladimir Lenin would use these conditioning methods against the people in order to get them to accept communism.

    Mental health is the avenue to gun control..
    It was used to confiscate guns in Eastern Europe prior to WWII..

    American Psychiatric Asso: Half of Americans are mentally ill..
    After crafting by politicians and Media all will be crazy except for them..

    300 million prescriptions for psychiatric drugs were written in 2009 alone..
    Your children on medication for ADHD?
    Single woman with children diagnosed with depression?

    Be careful what you ask for.......

  • Sebawlm||

    Like it or not, these shootings are actually becoming *more* common.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09.....oters.html

    It's likely a confluence of many factors, but I doubt that the fact that this trend started around 2007 is a coincidence. What we're witnessing is the coming-of-age of a generation with significantly worse prospects than their parents in a society completely devoid of popular / community institutions (ones that aren't internet-based). You see a common thread with a lot of these shooters: young men, isolated, bitter, sexually frustrated, usually internet-addicted. And you see the same trend among western European Muslims who are flying to Syria to join ISIS.

    State and corporate power have employed innumerable tools to atomize the population and beat them into a feeling of helplessness. Then those people get guns, and this happens: domestic terrorism, essentially, which only exacerbates the atomization. So I mean, you can take guns away and I'm sure there'll be fewer shootings, but there'll also be a hell of a lot more baseball bat beatings.

    The issue is and always has been social isolation, driven by the accumulation of power in the state-corporate partnership.

  • Alan@.4||

    Anything from Biden or Clinton? Surely, they likely have something in mind.

  • josh||

    even if violence is going down, i don't think the idea that the gratuitous use of sex and violence in the entertainment industry having an effect is an unreasonable position. it doesn't mean we need washington to step in of course, but the idea that some people don't handle that stuff well and react adversely to it isn't junk science.

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