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Trump Tops His Ultra-Classy Debate Performance by Suggesting Megyn Kelly's on the Rag

What an unexpected turn of events.

Donald Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct, folks! He's too busy calling in to CNN to complain about Megyn Kelly doing him wrong during Thursday's debate by asking him to explain some previous sexist comments. Watch:

"She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and, you know, you can see there's blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … wherever. But in my opinion, she was off-base."

Well, then. An interesting follow-up to his post-debate tweets.

Photo Credit: CNN

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  • Jerome "Chip" Froinlaven||

    Her flow is uuuuge!

  • DEATFBIRSECIA||

    Hey. There is nothing funny about menstruation. Period.

  • ThomasD||

    That one never gets old.

  • AlexInCT||

    Never trust anything that bleeds for 3-5 days every month and doesn't die..

  • Joec578||

    Could you imagine President Trump delivering the SOTU?

  • josh||

    delivering the sotu is one of the few things i'm willing to let him do as president.

  • DoubleC||

    "Nancy Pelosi wants to fight me on immigration? Well, if you think her face is disgusting to look at, you should see her pussy!"

  • Crazyotto||

    I am sure he has been there. The problem is Trump gives out every indication he would lead this country like a typical third world despotic dictator . Similar to the despot we now have in power.

  • ||

    She is just shit testing him.

    /pua

  • Crusty Juggler||

    you know, you can see there's blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … wherever.

    Scott assumes the worst. You see, Trump meant to say nose. Or ears. Or soul. Not what you were thinking, you sickie.

  • finerbiner||

    No, the fact is you have to be pretty gullible to not understand exactly what Trump meant.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • Sven Galli||

    +1 Kid in the Hall

  • Slammer||

    "She want me"

    /SP Trump

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    As long as he doesn't apologize he can get away with saying anything he wants.

  • rocks||

    More people should learn from his example, this apologizing nonsense needs to stop. I keep thinking of that shirtgate guy's crying apology when he should have told that small whining minority if special flowers to fuck off.

  • Animal||

    ^^^ This, in spades.

  • pronomian||

    He should apologize, he should say, "I'm sorry you're a stupid (add your own derogatory word here)."

  • Suicidy||

    I would have liked it even better if he captured one of the shrill SJW's and executed them on cam. While wearing the offending shirt.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I never apologize. I'm sorry, but that's just the way I am.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    *narrows gaze*

  • pan fried wylie||

    REFRESH, dammit

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    I AM WHO I AM.

  • Animal||

    Popeye the Sailor Man?

  • *GILMORE*||

    HULK SMAAASSH

  • Animal||

    NOW

    YOU'RE

    MAKING

    ME

    BEAT

    UP

    GRASS!

  • Thomas O.||

    I AM PUNCHING YOUR SALAD!!!

  • Sevo||

    You OK?

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    More or less...

  • Mindyourbusiness||

    Good to hear.

  • *GILMORE*||

    Now everybody get back to work

  • Sevo||

    Yes sir, Mr Scrooge!

  • pan fried wylie||

    /narrowgaze

  • Sevo||

    So she nailed him?
    I didn't watch, but did she end up baiting him into making a bigger fool of himself than normal?

  • JeremyR||

    Not really.

  • Sevo||

    "Not really."
    So, yes she did, right?

  • DoubleC||

    The offending question should have been "when did you become a Republican?" But he took far more offense to the question about him endlessly insult women who disagree with him. Then he shows he doesn't do that by doing that. His whole campaign is going to end in a mask being pulled off and Andy Kaufman being Trump all along. It's just a master class in trolling.

  • Crazyotto||

    Yes really. He has to know that his past tirades and rants on twitter were going to come up. Kelly was right to ask him because he is the front runner and this will be a bumper sticker for the Lefts accusation of the Repub's war on women. if he had treated one the leftist cows over MSNBC like that his political career would be over. He is not a serious candidate and he has once again prove it by being a petty, thin skinned bully who can dish it out but can't take it. Just like the other leftist twit we have in the WH today.

  • american socialist||

    The Republican Party wants a content-less political agenda and they've got a content-less front runner who is trolling the party as a result. I don't really see the problem. Trump is all about inchoate rage in a country full of it where people get elected to political office on bullshit agendas to get rid of government.

    So now you guys are bitching about a non-politician who has never been elected to anything who tells you that the media and the government are corrupt. Isn't this like the holy grail for you right-wingers? What exactly do you want?

  • Sevo||

    american socialist|8.8.15 @ 12:40AM|#
    "The Republican Party wants a content-less political agenda"

    Hey, shitbag! Still waiting for the FEELZ GOOD lefty alternative to the nukes to end WWII.
    Or is it just one more lefty rant about how reality is so, well REAL! And it's not FAIR!
    Let's hear it, commie kid.

  • american socialist||

    Well, at least Truman told the truth when he referred to things like this http://www.arkibongbayan.org/2.....tifact.jpg as being a "military" target when he described the bombing of Hiroshima.

    Let's no argue though... If "libertarians" can support the Manhatten Project--at that time the largest public works project in history-- than maybe what libertarianism means is that you think the government should spend money on the things you like and shouldn't spend money on things you don't like. Hey, that's what I believe too.

  • Sevo||

    american socialist|8.8.15 @ 1:13AM|#
    "Let's no argue though...'

    Nice try, shitbag, now, answer the question:
    WHAT DO LEFTIES PROPOSE AS THE ALTERNATIVE?
    Please, no more 'look over there!' bullshit; ANSWER THE QUESTION. Is that hard to understand for a lefty?

  • BigT||

    "Let's no argue though... If "libertarians" can support the Manhatten Project--at that time the largest public works project in history-- than maybe what libertarianism means is that you think the government should spend money on the things you like and shouldn't spend money on things you don't like. Hey, that's what I believe too."

    I seem to recall that there was a war going on, a declared war. And that crinkled old paper called the Conststition specifically authorizes the govt to conduct wars. So libertarians should have no issue with the Manhattan project.

    Admitting you like spending according to your whims precisely defines why you are an unprincipled shit, like all socialists.

  • ThomasD||

    "If "libertarians" can support the Manhattan Project"

    Libertarians cannot support a specific subset of the "Let's Defeat (at least one group) of the Totalitarians Bent on World Domination" effort because it is a "public works" project?

    Was Valley Forge also a "public works" project?

  • PapayaSF||

  • John Titor||

    Also, the target in Nagasaki was a massive Mitsubishi industrial park that produced arms and aircraft.

  • PapayaSF||

    Indeed. Many people don't realize how many military units, and how much military production, was done in cities at that time.

  • Bob Meyer||

    These people today probably live in Seattle (Boeing) and Los Angeles (Northrop-Grumman, Lockheed) not knowing that weaponry is being built right next to the cities where they live.

  • Sevo||

    "Also, the target in Nagasaki was a massive Mitsubishi industrial park that produced arms and aircraft."

    Not to mention the torpedoes used at Pearl Harbor.

  • Suicidy||

    Hey asshole, why don't you focus on paying back your mortgage? Fucking shitheel.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'd write it out for you, but I can't seem to find any Crayons at the moment.

  • ||

    Try smeared feces, the writing medium of choice for the sloopy/banjoes progeny.

  • John C. Randolph||

    The Republican Party wants a content-less political agenda

    Then why is it Hillary who's refusing to take any questions from the press for the last, I don't know, how many months?

    -jcr

  • Res ipsa loquitur||

    It's different for her because, excuses.......

  • Thomas O.||

    WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS P.... ah fuck it.

  • Suicidy||

    .......hypocrisy is a cornerstone of democrat politics?

  • Harun||

    Hillary's too busy doing this:

    http://www.theverge.com/2015/8.....fie-yeezus

    If you ask me, this is as bad as Trump.

    p.s. Its not a random selfie...I bet that took a full day to set up and photograph.

  • Sevo||

    And two or three days in Photo Shop to make her look less the hag.

  • Brian||

    "So now you guys are bitching about a non-politician who has never been elected to anything who tells you that the media and the government are corrupt. Isn't this like the holy grail for you right-wingers? What exactly do you want?"

    It's almost as if the left's characterizations of libertarians are somehow...incomplete.

    And if that's anyone's fault, it's the libertarians. How dare they fail to live up to your own strawmen!

  • Sevo||

    "It's almost as if the left's characterizations of libertarians are somehow...incomplete."

    I think you misspelled "idiotic".

  • Win Bear||

    The Republican Party wants a content-less political agenda

    If you think Democrats are any different, you're a fool. But then your handle already shows you to be a fool.

    Isn't this like the holy grail for you right-wingers? What exactly do you want?

    Being libertarian now makes us "right wingers"? What's next? You're going to call us "reactionaries" and send us to reeducation camps or mental institutions? Because that's what socialists actually do with people who have different views.

  • ThomasD||

    Unpossible.

  • pan fried wylie||

    blood coming out of her eyes. like, what? is that some reference i'm not getting, or a saying from the Old Country I'm not familiar with? A totally not-clever off-the-cuff invention just to talk about her snatch bleeding?

    If you're going to mansplain, try not to sound like a complete fucking moron.

  • ||

    "blood coming out of her eyes. like, what? is that some reference i'm not getting, or a saying from the Old Country I'm not familiar with?"

    Japanese anime maybe

  • ThomasD||

    Bleeding heart liberal...

    Bleeding eyed ????

  • John Titor||

    I thought anime's thing was blood coming out the nose if a character is sexually attracted to someone/something?

  • Chipper Chipping Rodrigue||

    Maybe it's a reference to a horny toad

    Protection against predation
    Horned lizards use a wide variety of means to avoid predation. Their coloration generally serves as camouflage. When threatened, their first defense is to remain still to avoid detection. If approached too closely, they generally run in short bursts and stop abruptly to confuse the predator's visual acuity. If this fails, they puff up their bodies to cause them to appear more horned and larger, so that they are more difficult to swallow. At least eight species (P. asio, P. cornutum, P. coronatum, P. ditmarsi, P. hernandesi, P. orbiculare, P. solare, and P. taurus) are also able to squirt an aimed stream of blood from the corners of the eyes for a distance of up to 5 feet (1.5 m).
  • AlmightyJB||

    Has no one seen Casino Royale?

  • JW||

    Opening his pie hole and spouting intelligence-crushing banalities is Trump's tell.

  • AFSlade||

    +1 Bad poker

  • Suicidy||

    Poker? I barely know her!

  • DoubleC||

    I think his cult members are claiming he meant to say "daggers coming out of her eyes". And they say "whatever" meant "nose", but can't tell you how that makes any sense. Is he claiming she snorted bad coke or something?

  • Paul.||

    THESE THINGS DO NOT SUCK!

  • Zaytsev||

    Goddamnit I love Trump.

  • Paul.||

    In the same way we love Napoleon Dynamite!

  • josh||

    he speaks about a tough debate moderator (tougher than normal anyway), as if it's an affront to the process, which he is ,of course, above.

  • Libertarian||

    Once you've lost Fox..............

  • ||

    "by asking him to explain some previous sexist comments."

    Where the great Bear Sir Scott rides in on his sturdy steed and saves the fair Fox maiden and Rosie the blue ribbon winning pig....

  • John C. Randolph||

    She's not only a lightweight, she can't even spell her own name.

    That being said, Trump is still a douchebag.

    -jcr

  • ||

    That being said, Trump is still a douchebag.

    Why does this even need to be said? Why is this article even at reason? Why is a reason staff writer taking a side in this?

    All involved Trump Megyn Rossie 90% of the people on stage, 75% of the audience are all epic douchebags (careful with that word white knight Scott might call you sexist).

    The only douchebag I see here that is newsworthy is Scott for essentially writing a Gawker article.

  • Paul.||

    Why is this article even at reason? Why is a reason staff writer taking a side in this?

    Because the coveted millennial audience needs to know what's trending on the twitters!

  • ||

    I would give my left nut for 6 months worth of Tim Cavanaugh writing about the world economy collapsing.

    You really do not know how great things are until they are gone.

  • ||

    Cavanaugh was a douchebag. One that bleeds out of his wherever, not one filled with life-affirming Massengil.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Why is this article even at reason? Why is a reason staff writer taking a side in this?

    Because Scott's under the delusion that Megyn will actually fuck him if he white-knights her.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    Um....

  • Crusty Juggler||

    You see Swiss, if you were not such a #cuckservative you would understand that Scott is really trying to impress Megyn Kelly. That is what Scott wants. So, not only does Scott really want a woman, he wants that woman.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    "Dem panties gonna drop when she sees how sensitive I am."

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Scott is a known panty-dropper.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    I think you may have missed something, Red.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Scott is a known panty-dropper.

    It seems like his are actually in a twist on this one.

  • PH2050||

    Never seen a gay dude "white knight" before.

    /pops popcorn

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Run after a white knight? Maybe.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    This in no way reflects poorly on you.

  • *GILMORE*||

    ssshhhhhhhhh!!! It was just getting funny

  • PapayaSF||

    Don't you see it? Trump opposes the Koch open borders agenda, and so word has gone down to the minions that he Must Be Stopped.

  • Jerome "Chip" Froinlaven||

    How come none of the candidates mentioned the phlogiston that 's leaking into the outer sphere?

  • Ranselaer||

    Trump has been married three times and had countless girlfriends, but he still doesn't realize that it's a PRE-menstrual woman who goes into attack mode? Once they are menstruating, things usually call down. Maybe Trump is not so bright after all.

  • Inigo "Chip" DuBois||

    Trump has yet to earn his "red wings." He needs to read Hunter S. Thompson's account of the Hell's Angels.

  • ||

    Megyn (note the "gyn") is, what, 45? So her ovaries are probably already shriveled and barren.

    Seriously, can we stop with the stupid Trump promotional articles already? Scott, your talents are better used elsewhere.

  • lap83||

    "So her ovaries are probably already shriveled and barren."

    So it's a compliment!

  • ||

    Good thought.

  • Suicidy||

    Four screen name should be'Soda'. Sevens is already reserved.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    So... younger than Nicole?

  • Suicidy||

    Didn't she just have a kid?

  • ||

    No, Nicole hates kids.

  • Libertarian||

    Isn't it obvious what's going on here? Trump, a billionaire, hasn't encountered a good-looking blonde that wasn't a sycophant (or possible mate) since his mere millionaire days. To him, the only possible explanation is that she's having her period.

  • ||

    Or she's lesbo. Just like the women who turn me down.

  • Libertarian||

    Face down? Those aren't women.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Ouch

  • ||

    That's what I said, yes.

  • Sven Galli||

    Well, at first.

  • ||

    It's obvious that she's not good-looking. (Not to outline that she may well be an opportunist, too.) The simplest explanation is that he doesn't like what she asked and that he attacks her for it.

  • Suicidy||

    Which is what Trump always does.

  • AlmightyJB||

    So watching first debate right now. What cartoon character does Lindsey Graham sound like? I can hear the voice but can't think of it. Driving me nuts.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Cleveland from Family Guy.

  • Suicidy||

    More like Bruce.

  • ||

    Trump is America's Berlusconi. Actually, I think he trumps him!

  • ThomasD||

    No, he's way more Beppe Grillo.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    Needz moar bunga bunga!

  • straffinrun||

    http://media.steampowered.com/.....1_full.jpg

    Berlusconi and Trump! Mmmmm.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    GAH!!?! *claws at eyes*

    DO NOT CLICK!

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Paging Crusty.

  • DoubleC||

    Trump is far too grumpy to be a man who gets laid as much as Berlusconi.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Trump is not only man enough to stand up to the Republican establishment, he is also the lone voice against the emasculation of America. Don't be a #cuckservative, support Trump.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    Crusty, you were just waiting for the chance to bust out "cuckservative", weren't you? :)
    I think you get at least an 8 out of 10 for strategic placement! Well done.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Of course I was. The "cuckservative" movement exists, it is real, and it is ridiculous. They cuckservative folk defend Trump and are celebrating his stupid remarks.

    10 Signs you Might Be A Cuckservative They forgot the 11th, which is disagreeing with me on Reason!

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    *opera applause*

  • Slammer||

    On your feet already? Take it easy. You can *clap loudly while everyone else is jumping to their feet* We understand.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I am just very inspirational. Duh.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    Thanks to Crusty, I may get to go home today....where I can lay about for a week. Then get cleared to slowly rejoin life!

  • Slammer||

    :)

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I am like Patch Adams, except it isn't my nose that is red.

  • DEG||

    Thanks to Crusty, I may get to go home today....where I can lay about for a week. Then get cleared to slowly rejoin life!

    This is good news.

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    Like Roosh V and Pat Buchanon shared a fever dream.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Trump is a troll.

    Don't feed the troll.

    Seriously, if we ignore him, he'll eventually go away.

    Paying attention to and talking about Trump is objectively pro-Hillary.

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

  • Suicidy||

    Other way around. With all the attention on Trump, her poll numbers are plummeting.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Balko CRUSHES Stewart:

    Radley BalkoVerified account
    ‏@radleybalko

    The Jon Stewart dissonance: Brilliantly exposed the absurdity, mendacity of politicians . . . while advocating that we give them more power.

  • PH2050||

    But we have to because of KKKORPORATUNZ

  • PH2050||

    And I would call that EVISCERATE, not CRUSH

  • Swiss Servator, ...ouch.||

    EXTERMINATE!

    /Dalek

  • PapayaSF||

    +1

  • Jackand Ace||

    And Reason classes up the whole discussion with the term "on the rag." Well done.

  • Chipper Chipping Rodrigue||

    You might want to save the baseless sexism accusations for when Hillary gets the nomination. It will lose its power if you just throw it around willy-nilly.

    In the meantime, your thoughts on this?

  • Res ipsa loquitur||

    We pretend the next great socialist utopian implosion is not actually occurring. I notice Sean Penn hasn't been down there lately either talking up the wonders of life without soap or food or medicine, because well, they have universal healthcare !

    With so many examples of big government failure I am fascinated by progressives contiued desire to impose it on successful lands. I can only surmise the fact most proggies are the physically and mentally weak of the species creates a raw desire for control or power they lack in life overrides any possible decency they may once have possessed for their fellow humans. They would rather see everyone suffer as they do then let some of us truly love life and enjoy success and freedom. It is sad.

  • PapayaSF||

    One of the key insights about politics is that logic and evidence are subservient to emotion. Much of leftism consists of what feels like it's right and should work: "Just take money from the rich and give it to the poor! Duh!"

    There are smart progs and dumb ones (which applies to all political types). The key factor is emotion. See also Jonathan Haidt.

  • Suicidy||

    Progs are Sith and Cons are Jedi. Both are fucked up. The progs more so.

  • Jackand Ace||

    Hey, I didn't write an article accusing Trump of being classless. That would be Scott. He might want to ask women if the term "on the rag" is a classy one.

  • Res ipsa loquitur||

    See, Chipper, they just pretend Venezuela does not exist. If they play make believe hard enough along with all their friends maybe it, like all their failures in life and politics, will just vanish, magically ! Or they will blame the evil capitalists and libertarians for creating Venezuala and not lifting their fair share to support the glorious revolution !

    Either way, proggies and their politics are reflections of their own personal failure and weakness.

  • Copernicus would chip||

    It is a technique called "ironic juxtaposition" whereby the author uses an intentionally crude phrase to highlight the crudeness of the person being discussed.

  • Jackand Ace||

    Ah, maybe you just provided an excuse for Trump! He was being ironic, eh? Scott didn't give him that pass...he doesn't get a pass either.

  • Ayn Random Variation||

    It's one thing to have different political opinions, but to outright ignore Venezuela makes you a coward. Assuming you're a real person, you're the worst example of humanity there is.

  • DEG||

    "Ultra-classy" and Donald Trump don't go together, not even in sarcasm.

  • Mike M.||

    Finally, some good news: Block Yomomma got an early jump on his 17 day vacation to Martha's Vineyard, where he and the family can waste countless more millions of taxpayer dollars living like American royalty in the most expensive freaking estate on the island (22.5 million big ones).

  • PH2050||

    You're an idiot. We should be pushing for 365 day vacations for the Royals as well as for Congress.

  • Harold Falcon||

    Exactly. The less time that asshole spends at work the better.

  • Suicidy||

    Drumhead style trials and firing squads/guillotines are cheaper. Much cheaper.

  • *GILMORE*||

    ""Block Yomomma ""

    really?

  • F. Romans Countrymen, Jr.||

    Really?

    I thought he'd given up using that nickname.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    He's been spoken to. It's time to escalate with customer service.

  • John Titor||

    *Mike M. spends a great deal of time whining about Jon Stewart's name change, continues to think that 'Block Yomomma' does anything but show what a petty, unfunny moron he is.*

  • Coup d'oeil||

    No fan of Trump, who is a derelict boor, but that doesn't seem like a menstruation reference. More likely he just lost interest in the litany of bleeding body parts.

  • *GILMORE*||

    YOU SHUT UP EVERYTHING IS SEXIST WHEN ITS A GIRL

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Life imitates "art":

    Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

    I suppose that makes Rand, Not Sure, the smartest man in the world on the stage.
    (But, he sounds like a fag.)

  • Copernicus would chip||

    I wonder why the ARC isn't protesting Megyn's baiting of one of their poster children.
    I guess what I'm saying is, Trump's a fucking retard
    /(Norm Macdonald voice)

  • Suicidy||

    Ok. Now I'm picturing an animated pigeon named Pigeon saying that. In Norm MacDonal's voice.

  • joebanana||

    Megan Kelly is a classless bitch.

  • Suicidy||

    Is that someone related to the hot, classy Megyn Kelly?

  • ||

    By the way, is it possible (for a man/woman) to insult a woman without that being sexist? Arguably, insulting a member of a protected group has greater impact than insulting someone who doesn't have the privilege of that protection. (Something along the lines of: members of historically disadvantaged groups are generally stigmatized; any offense thus is more harmful.) There's a general disparat impact case here. //
    Apparently, one is supposed to acknowledge/appreciate the identity of women as women, but one is not allowed to insult women as women. (They want to be treated/appreciated as women, but don't want to be insulted as women. Same for blacks: acknowledge their culture only when it's positive for them.)

  • *GILMORE*||

    ", is it possible (for a man/woman) to insult a woman without that being sexist?"

    I'm sorry, what were you saying? I was watching your lips move.

  • ||

    I'd congratulate you for your failed attempt at whatever this was supposed to be, but meh.

  • *GILMORE*||

    I think you look cute when you try to be clever

  • ||

    I think you look stupid whether you're trying to be smart, or trying to be stupid. I would suggest focusing on the latter, since you can then at least succeed in what you attempt. I still won't congratulate you. But I "respect" your vivid visual delusions.

  • *GILMORE*||

    Ouch! Look, I promise I'll make it up to you after I get back from my golf outing, really. Now hurry up with the laundry, I'm running late.

  • ||

    You're comment itself is worthless, but it serves as illustration. Noise is offensive. You essentially repeat the same thing over and over (sex roles; subordination). Naturally, having one's identity disrespected can be offensive. See also the intimacy point, which again you repeat. Analysing creates distance (counters intimacy). There's not much one can do about noisy morons and the like (don't know you). Clearly, noise-makers do have some power, which can be insulting. Pretending that they don't is silly. Stoicism is better. Anyway, your comments are too dull, here.

  • *GILMORE*||

    I'm listening, and i'm really hearing you.... and i think the two of us can really get through this together if we try.

  • lap83||

    "By the way, is it possible (for a man/woman) to insult a woman without that being sexist?"

    In the real world, of course. In media land, depends on the political benefit of accusing someone of sexism.

  • *GILMORE*||

    ""is it possible (for a man/woman) to insult a woman without that being sexist? ""

    I think the best answer is, "sure, but not nearly as fun"

    Its like asking "can you stab someone without it hurting (as much)?"

    Sure, its called surgery. But isn't that *not* the point? Insults are supposed to be targeted at soft spots. If they aren't specifically female, and just generic 'insults' they lose half their potency.

    even better is when you flip the script and use sexism against men. Cranberry Juice? .

  • lap83||

    So you think all women find sexism to be the most hurtful form of insults, isn't that...sexist? ;)

  • lap83||

    For me, the potency of an insult depends on how close I am to the person. If I barely know them I can more easily brush it off as being a reflection on them, because they don't know me either.

  • *GILMORE*||

    " the potency of an insult depends on how close I am to the person.

    Exactly.

    The degree of effectiveness of an insult is correlated to one's intimacy with a person.

    If you have a high degree of intimacy, then even mild gestures can be highly offensive if they're done with intent.

    With strangers, you have to pretend intimacy to get the same effect. Darling. :)

  • ||

    Doing less poorly, Gilmore girl. It's not just that intimacy makes greater offense possible, intimacy itself can be offending. That includes accurate knowledge/statements.

  • *GILMORE*||

    ""Gilmore girl""

    See? you're making some effort now.

    Plus, you seem to think pretending *i'm* a girl is necessary to fight back. You sexist.

  • ||

    Nah, it's almost gender neutral. You're babbling like one of the Gilmore girls. I firmly believe that men can babble just as horribly. If you're male, that'd be proof. Not pretending you're a girl. That must be a sexist assumption of yours. (As a side note, there's not even a need to fight back. You're perfectly capable of defeating yourself. Very emancipated.)

  • *GILMORE*||

    Well, i'm very sorry and hope you feel better.

  • ||

    @lap

    Then sexists may know women better, considering that such insults are found more offensive. (There's another aspect, the line in the sand. Let's say women tell men that they are not allowed to be sexist, but men are sexist anyway. That's more disrespectful, more insulting. In theory it could be any kind of line, and isn't limited to sexism. Let's say no joking about mineral water.)

  • *GILMORE*||

    Why don't you tell us about your new shoes now?

  • ||

    Yeah, I'd consider it, but I just stepped into one of your comments.

  • *GILMORE*||

    Someone's trolling for a foot massage!

  • lap83||

    "Then sexists may know women better, considering that such insults are found more offensive."

    I can't top Gilmore's replies to you, but...

    Do you really think that sexists know women better than women do?

  • ||

    Depends on your frame for sexism. If used inflationarily, which is common, then yes: I suspect that sexist people - all else equal - know women better than those who are not sexist. It's a matter of stereotype accuracy. Consider Jussim, Social Perception and Social Reality, Oxford UP. (Originally, this was based on what you said. People who know you better can offend you more. Building on that: sexists offend women more than non-sexists. Thus sexists know women better than non-sexists.)

    Do women know women better? I think men know some some things about women better than women, and that women know some things about men better than men. (Overall, I think that women know women better. Feminists also think that women know men better. Compare mansplaining and femsplaining. A systematic error, it appears.) Then there's willingness to state some truth. Reasonable selfishness would cause women and men, respectively, not to say things that are negative for them.

    What do you think?

  • lap83||

    (Originally, this was based on what you said. People who know you better can offend you more. Building on that: sexists offend women more than non-sexists. Thus sexists know women better than non-sexists.)

    I don't think what I said can be used to generalize about every woman and I think that is proved by the fact that some women seem to be so insulted by random sexist comments from people they don't even know. Women, like men, obviously aren't all the same and I was using my point of view to demonstrate that.

  • ||

    Yes, we are talking about groups, averages, and tendencies.

    "I don't think what I said can be used to generalize about every woman and I think that is proved by the fact that some women seem to be so insulted by random sexist comments from people they don't even know"

    Take another look at you prior comment: "If I barely know them I can more easily brush it off as being a reflection on them, because they don't know me either."

    The key element is not that women know the people who offend them (though that can matter independently; for example, it hurts to have trust abused). The key element is that offenders know (how the) women (are).
    You implied that you can less easily disregard attacks when/because the attacker knows you -- because attacks then are an (accurate) reflection on you (not on the attacker). The corresponding hypothesis is that sexist remarks hurt because they are based on accurate knowledge, that they hurt because they are in some way true. It's not necessary that the woman knows the sexist. What matters is whether the sexist remark is in some way true, accurate (, i.e. whether the sexist knows women). The fact that women find sexist remarks from strangers so hurtful does not disconfirm this hypothesis.

  • ||

    Doesn't work. There's potential benefit in both worlds; they're not that separate either, they inform each other. And many are genuinely offended, misguided though they may be.
    It's a problem with the concept itself. I don't see how it'd be possible to clearly distinguish heterosexuality and sexism. You could try to distinguish "benevolent sexism" and "(malevolent) sexism", but how far does this lead? It seems to me that one would have to take the good with the bad, based on equality, consistency, and coherence.

  • *GILMORE*||

    That's nice. Your hair looks great by the way.

  • Just say Nikki||

    but don't want to be insulted as women

    You are aware people generally don't want to be insulted at all, right?

  • ||

    "You are aware people generally don't want to be insulted at all, right?"

    I'm generally aware of that. It's unremarkable. It's also unremarkable that people like to hear convenient truths about themselves, but don't want to hear inconvenient truths about themselves. It is remarkable when they get away with striking inconsistency.
    There's got to be some Latin rule that captures this, but all that comes to mind is casum sentit dominus. I blame the heat. Maybe you can help out with one.

    Think of wanting the benefits of femininity, but refusing/shifting the costs. A funny instance is men's earlier dying (5 years:, partially due to sex-specific disposition, partially due to culture), while paying for women's longer lives (welfare state, artificially identical insurance rates), while feminists complain about the wage gap (not the death gap).

  • ||

    Venire contra factum proprium; protestatio facto contraria non valet; ...

  • DoubleC||

    Sure. He could have said "Megyn Kelly is a good soldier who does whatever Boss Ailes says, my supporters don't take her line of questioning seriously, because they saw it for what it was." He insults her integrity, then also insults Ailes.

    Or he could have implied she was catty because her pussy is bleeding.

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  • pronomian||

    Regardless of what you think of the guy, he was set up from the get go. Everyone knew what he said before about a possible third party run, he has never hidden it. He said if he was treated right, which Kelly did mention in passing with a caveat of him being the determining factor of how he's treated, he also said he was being treated right, conveniently not mentioned. From what I get of that is that if he should be, according to the current process the nominee but passed over, he's going to run third party. Like I said at first, he was set up, they knew he was going to raise his hand and if he didn't Kelly said in the after debate they had a follow up question. The problem is, these neo con politicos hate having the status quo challenged, just like the press of the left, they already know who they want and will try to crush anyone that differs from their pro gov't interventionist, pro military industrial complex ideology. That may be a reason that Rand Paul only got 4 minutes, and if he didn't have the exchange from the fascist big gov't loving Christie he would have had less, and Paul was cut off after christie made his last comment. If he does go third party and the repugs lose, it is not because of him, it is because of the other idiots that cannot garnish the support needed to win. So, if you're a rep, don't blame him for a loss, blame your own party for it's own narrow minded pro big gov't loving policies.

  • pronomian||

    As far as Kelly is concerned, they hate it when one of their own is called out.

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    A Song For Trump
    Trump, Trump, I love Trump!
    I'm absolutely, positively wild about Trump.
    You can't go around him. You've got to confront him.
    Beautiful, fabulous, super duper Trump.

    Dorky Jeb Bush, his clothes were mighty clean.
    Went running his mouth at the Trump, he made quite a scene.
    He started with the backpedal, followed by the crawl.
    You should have seen that cuck run when he heard his father call.

    Trump, Trump, I love Trump!
    I'm absolutely, positively wild about Trump.
    You can't go around him. You've got to confront him.
    Beautiful, fabulous, super duper Trump.

    Carly Fiorina looked Botox cute.
    Saw my man Based Trump that she wanted to Veep to.
    She only said two words and then she disappeared.
    She's been looking for Trump's favorite beer.

    Trump, Trump, I love Trump!
    I'm absolutely, positively wild about Trump.
    You can't go around him. You've got to confront him.
    Beautiful, fabulous, super duper Trump.

    Little Teddy Cruz, thought he'd be VP.
    Was working on the Trump with his favorite sophistry.
    With tax cuts, walls and Israel, it sounds like victory.
    When they joined together, they heard the base all scream.

    Trump, Trump, I love Trump!
    I'm absolutely, positively wild about Trump.
    You can't go around him. You've got to confront him.
    Beautiful, fabulous, super duper Trump.

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  • *GILMORE*||

    "everyone in the comments just loves Trump!"

  • pronomian||

    They'll stone you when you're name is Donald Trump
    They'll stone you when you say just what you want
    They'll stone you when you're ahead in the polls
    They'll stone you and say that you're a troll
    If I vote I won't feel all alone
    Cause everybody must get stoned

    They'll stone you when you speak you're mind
    They'll stone you when you're politically not so kind
    They'll stone you when you don't cower to their kind
    They'll stone you when you don't tow the party line
    If I vote I won't feel all alone
    I'm pulling the lever while I'm totally stoned

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  • The Late P Brooks||

    Pass the smelling salts.

    “It’s just like driving by a car wreck without rendering aid," Graham said. "Donald Trump is an out of control car driving through a crowd of Republicans and somebody needs to get him out of the car. I just don’t see a pathway forward for us in 2016 to win the White House if we don’t decisively deal with this.”

  • Hamster of Doom||

    Don't hate the player, Lindsey, hate the game.

  • *GILMORE*||

    Every mild irritant needs to be nuked

    definitely presidential-quality

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    "Somebody has to get Trump off the road so one of us can get grill-smacked by Hillary instead!"

  • lap83||

    The analogy might hold if said crowd of Republicans are too busy fainting to get out of the way

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  • Karl Hungus||

    I figure if he can say that John McCain is no hero because he allowed himself to be captured, then he'll probably brush off any backlash from this one too.

  • Arthur45||

    McCain not only allowwed himself to be captured, he lost amulti-milliondolar piece of military hardware in the process. I'm notaware of any "hero" medal the military gives for pilots klutzy enough to get themselves shot down.

  • ||

    I'm trying to figure out if you're an actual troll who somehow found his way here or one of our regular socks. Do me a solid and help me out with this!

  • William Pilgrim||

    I want to see a WWF smackdown challenge where M. Kelly beats the fuck out of old man Trump. Pay per view and the internets would all explode.

  • John Titor||

  • pronomian||

    Interesting the byline. Doesn't anyone think that if Trump wanted to say kelly was on the rag he wouldn't have actually said it? These people are so used to trying to read between the lines when someone actually says what he means, whether it's stupid or not, they have to try to make it mean something they want to believe it means. Kinda like what the left does. Quick to make it worst than it probably is, the conservative reps are learning from their liberal buddies, feign outrage, make something mean what it may not mean because it makes you look better. At first my interpretation of that comment without any other clarification was that she was angry, but now I think it was that she was so incensed that she blew a blood vessel in her blond pea brain.

  • Suicidy||

    Megyn is actually very intelligent, whether you agree with what she did or not. Saying she has a pea brain is unfounded hyperbole.

  • Arthur45||

    I don't understand why anyone would consider bleached blond Megyn to
    be particularly intelligent - everytime I've watched her, she came across as inflexible and stubborn. Her weeklong rant against Trump hardly qualified her as a moderator for the debate.
    It was so clear that her questions were designed to torpedo Trump.

  • Suicidy||

    None of your criticisms are an indictment of her intelligence. You just don't like her attitude. She clearly has an above average IQ.

  • Arthur45||

    I have no idea why Trump's comment, which has no suggestion of a woman's period , ever got interpreted that way, except to say that the deception was obviously deliberate on the part of Erickson. Looks like more than a few are trying to kill the Trump campaign. If these stupid GOP
    folks push Trump into t thrid party run, the GOP has zero chances of wimming. This anti-Trump hysteria will end up destroying the GOP. come 2016. I can't believe the GOP folks are this dumb.

  • Arthur45||

    Shackford really shouldn't tell big lies like this. This article should be removed

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  • Brady||

    So Reason Magazine has become a social justice warrior thought police enforcer of cultural Marxist third wave feminism now?

  • crufus||

    We need facts. Did anyone followup to ask Megyn Kelly if she was on the rag?

  • ||

    Yeah, that'd actually be interesting. Test the stereotypes.

  • Rocket_Man||

    How ironic, or hypocritical while Reason normally rails against the PC, and for the silliness of being offended for the sake of being offended, here we are with a Reason published article putting words in the mouth of Trump, who is his own worst enemy without shoddy reporters putting words in his mouth. Where did he say she was having her period, or what would reinforce that he was making that suggestion over bleeding from any other portion of her body? I will suggest the author's own predisposed notions is what led the author to that conclusion. Maybe the author should apply at the HuffPost, and will fit in better there. You are part of the problem with the media, not the solution.

  • Will4Freedom||

    I'm not a Trump fan, but he said no such thing. He did not finish the sentence.

    If I said "you're a ... whatever" do you have a right to claim I called you anything specific?

    Not a proud bunch of comments for Libertairans.

  • jester||

    Bleeding Twat Liberal!

  • Cbalducc||

    If Trump is so popular, why aren't there people marching in the streets demaning he be elected President?

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