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Amherst Student Was Expelled for Rape. But He Was Raped, Evidence Shows.

The accused is the victim.

AmherstDreamstimeAmherst College expelled a male student who was accused of sexually assaulting a female student while he was blacked out. Again, while he was blacked out. The woman he allegedly assaulted was fully lucid.

How did that happen? It didn’t. The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the male student did nothing wrong. If anyone committed sexual assault during their encounter, it was in fact the female student.

The male student, “John Doe,” is suing Amherst. KC Johnson parsed his lawsuit here. Agreeing with Johnson’s analysis, The Washington Examiner’s Ashe Schow wrote:

This is one of the few cases where we have an actually good idea of what happened the night in question. Doe accompanied the accuser (who was Doe's girlfriend's roommate) to her dorm room. The accuser performed oral sex on a blacked out Doe (Johnson notes that even the Amherst hearing found Doe's account of being blacked out "credible"). Doe leaves. The accuser then texted two people: First, a male student she had a crush on — whom she invited over after a heavily flirtatious exchange earlier in the evening. Then, a female friend.

The accuser said during her hearing that she only texted one friend to help her handle the assault as she felt "very alone and confused." But her texts with her female friend give no indication of an assault. Rather, the accuser texted her friend "Ohmygod I jus did something so fuckig stupid" [sic throughout]. She then proceeded to fret that she had done something wrong and her roommate would never talk to her again, because "it's pretty obvi I wasn't an innocent bystander."

She also complained that the other man, who had come over after the alleged assault, had taken until 5 in the morning to finally have sex with her.

The accuser found herself friendless after the encounter, when her roommate discovered what she had done.

Between the encounter with Doe and the accusation — nearly two years later — the accuser developed new friends. And as it happens, these new friends were all "victims' advocates."

After making those new friends, long after the incident, she accused John Doe of assaulting her. The adjudication process, as described by Johnson, was a Kafkaesque farce:

Despite an accuser who offered borderline non-coherent responses that subtly expanded on her initial story, the panel ultimately accepted her credibility. It ruled that while Doe likely was “blacked out” during the oral sex, “[b]eing intoxicated or impaired by drugs or alcohol is never an excuse.” Since AS [the female] said she withdrew consent at some point during the sexual act, and since Doe couldn’t challenge that recollection, the panel was at least 50.01 percent inclined to believe the accuser’s tale.

Keep in mind what happened here. John Doe was with his girlfriend’s roommate when he blacked out. She then performed oral sex on him. She immediately regretted it—not because Doe had done anything wrong, but because she had done something wrong. Yet he was expelled.

This outcome was obviously a gross miscarriage of justice. I think even the most staunchly pro-victim anti-rape activists would admit that (maybe). But it strikes me that this is exactly the kind of confounding verdict that a college is likely to reach when forced to adhere to the favored policies of the anti-rape activists: affirmative consent and preponderance of the evidence standards. When university administrators poorly trained in legal procedures are asked to determine whether it is more likely than not an accused student had obtained ongoing, enthusiastic, affirmative consent during a sexual encounter, they will invariably convict the innocent.

In a twisted sense, administrators were correct to find John Doe guilty. He was accused of sexual assault, and he couldn't prove the encounter was consensual. Imagine if he had accused her of sexual assault as well—the panel might very well have concluded that they raped each other.

We should expect to see more of this insanity, not less, when the federal government obligates college administrators to insert themselves in students’ sex lives.

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  • The Wood Chipper 5000||

    The real question is: How does one get blown when passed out with whiskey dick?

    p.s., I posted this DAYS ago in the comments. Thanks for the h/t, Soave.

  • ColonelEngineer||

    Because straight white shitlord privilege.

  • PBR Streetgang||

    "John Doe" is Asian-American. Don't know if that is better or worse though.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    So we know she didn't choke on it.

  • bacon-magic||

    That is lacist and wong Playa.

  • soliscjw||

    Spam, I hate Spam Ballegooijenyves your comment is Spam ,bacon, eggs, and Spam

  • PBR Streetgang||

    The lawsuit claims that since the new policy went into effect in 2013, Amherst has solely used it against Men of Color.

  • ClassicLib-NeverProg||

    Are Asians really "people of color"? Because most of them (with a few exceptions) seem to have a heck of a lot more in common with white people than they do "Black and Brown" people.

    Note to prog douchebags: since I capitalized the "B" in "black" and "brown" my comment can't be racist.

  • Jen G.||

    They are POC if they are poor (or liberal arts majors) and White when they are rich (or work in tech)

  • rocks||

    This is exactly how they are using race.

    NYT had an article on Google's non-diversity earlier this year. The Times was bemoaning the "fact" that Google was 95% white.

    The only problem is they were counting Asians as white, and Asians represented around a third of the work force (this includes Indians). I go to Google's offices from time to time and it definitely does not look 90% white, it looks more like 50/50 to me at the office I go to.

    What is so messed up about this is most of these "white Asians" are in fact dark skinned Indians who are working hard and doing great. But they are "white" while hispanics who many are predominately European and white as all heck, are considered POC. It just boggles the mind.

    White is simply becoming a term for "groups that worked hard to be successful". I am mostly Sicilian and we are not really European and are quite dark. But we are now the dreaded "white", while a ton of lighter skinned people are POC.

  • You're Kidding||

    I'm surprised it was 50/50 actually.

    Have you used the Fremont BART station lately?

    I had to go down there last summer and wondered based on the sights, sounds and even smells, I thought I'd ended up in Banglore or something.

    The VTA express bus ride from Fremont BART to downtown San Jose was even more culturally jarring.

    I've noted all the attention to non-diversity in tech lately. And frankly, now the companies are rolling over and making promises to improve diversity.

    Based on more than 40 years of history of "affirmative action" and experiencing the results of promoting the lowest common denominator, I predict that the Silicone Valley is about to become a wasteland like most of government.

    I thought they were smarter than that.

  • TheOldMan||

    "...Men of Color." Art majors?

  • WoodchipperPatriarch||

    I don't think "H/T The Wood Chipper 5000" would get past the editors at the moment.

  • Paul.||

    Not after 701.

  • waffles||

    Is this 701 a thinly veiled reference to something I missed?

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    As someone else said, it's our 9/11.

  • BuSab Agent||

    701 is the timestamp of the post in which Nick asked us not to discuss the thing we can't discuss. For detail go to Popehat.

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    The comments on the next pledge drive posts are gonna be sweet.

  • WoodchipperPatriarch||

    I will be donating 701 dollars.

  • Puddin' Stick||

    The comments on the next pledge drive posts are gonna be sweet.

    All 701.

  • waffles||

    Oh so it's the calling card of the chilling effect.

  • SoGrimSoTrueSoReal||

    Maybe the stupid blowhard commenters can start their own mag if this doesn't end well.

    Inside of this issue!

    Warty's Corner - Squats, DL's, whips and chains.
    Sugarfree's Story Time
    John's speeling tips
    Episarch "About your mom..."

    Special Feature: "The similarities between deep dish and abortion.."

  • ||

    If Warty's Corner presents stories and issues with how to do a 2 male, one female threesome without feeling gay, I am all in.

  • Didyoumeanthat||

    Bruce Jenner has that covered by himself...

  • EvilWayz||

    It's easy. You stay on your side, your friend stays on the other, High fives are ok, but eye contact is cause for termination with extreme prejudice.

  • Hicks||

    No, definitely don't go there for full discussion.
    And don't suggest anyone should go to hell.

  • R C Dean||

    College student?

    Still brimming with youthful hormones?

    I got no reason to doubt it.

  • Hey Nikki!||

    You don't actually have to be hard for someone to suck your cock.

  • Michael||

    Oh?

  • ||

    So you're saying you have a lot of experience with flaccid penises? Because I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you just said.

  • Hey Nikki!||

    I mean, who hasn't sucked on a softie?

  • ||

    Good question.

    (looks around furtively)

  • Sevo||

    Uh, me.

  • ||

    SEVO ONLY LIKES HARD COCKS! YOU HEARD HIM!

  • Sevo||

    I shoulda' known better...

  • McKenna||

    Yes. Yes, you shoulda.

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    gut busted

    thanks.

  • Slumbrew||

    I LOL'd at Warty's comment. There may be a special place in... oh, nevermind.

  • Ska||

    It's an expertly played variant of "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?!"

  • Slumbrew||

    It's an expertly played variant of "You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?!"

    I'm not ashamed to admit I love 'Happy Gilmore' - Christopher McDonald is gold in that.

  • gaoxiaen||

    ...in the mulch pile.

  • BuSab Agent||

    I thought that was a preferred method for making them hard--- works on unconscious dudes too.

    /The unconscious dude on whom I've tried this is my husband and he has given me blanket lifetime permission to suck on his cock whenever I feel like it.

  • Careless||

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I don't know. I've never not been hard.

  • Puddin' Stick||

    In Roman times, to receive fellatio was demeaning as that was for old impotent men.

    Real Roman men practiced irrumatio.

  • Mock-star||

    I thought that was Mr Roboto who did that

  • SQRLSY One||

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrumatio

    Holy Shiites, at my advanced age of 339,000 years (give or take), I learnt sumthin NEW taday!!!!

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Nobody wants to hear about your watersports.

  • Hey Nikki!||

    Uh, for someone from the Playa you seem confused about what watersports are...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    It's when you pee in your wetsuit to keep warm. Duh.

  • Je Suis Reason (Fmr. AuH20)||

    No,it's when you pee in a girl's wetsuit to keep her warm

  • SimonJester||

    Yeah, but that costs extra.

  • Pulseguy||

    Good point. Nowhere does it say he had an erection or an orgasm.

  • ||

    Where are you getting that he had whiskey dick?

  • The Wood Chipper 5000||

    The fact that he was blackout drunk.

    I assumed that he was limp, because when talking with some lady friends of mine, they said if their man has way too much to drink, he gets whiskey dick. When I read this story, I thought this guy was some super species of man.

    Now, I learn from Nikki that chicks will suck on softies.

  • ||

    My wife assured me that when I pass out, I have a veritable flagpole.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    When passed out, when passing the playground. Same difference.

  • Slumbrew||

    Yeah, at 21 being black-out drunk is no guarantee that things are otherwise raring to go, if memory serves. Now, cocaine on the other hand...

  • BuSab Agent||

    It's a very fine line pharmaceutically speaking; when you have a young man who is--- shall we say-- over-excitable to get just enough, but not too much booze and/or other intoxicants into him so that a good time can be had by all.

  • BuSab Agent||

    Oh whiskey dick isn't a softie in a young man. Whiskey dick is an inability to cum. Very few chicks like being jack-hammered for hours by a guy that can't cum cause he's drunk.

  • Slumbrew||

    Oh whiskey dick isn't a softie in a young man. Whiskey dick is an inability to cum. Very few chicks like being jack-hammered for hours by a guy that can't cum cause he's drunk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD6qtc2_AQA

  • timbo||

    I hope Bu Sab agent is good looking....and I hope she is a girl because those last two comments were pretty cool.

  • MSimon||

    Yeah. Maybe he doesn't like dick.

  • Seamus||

    "Blacked out" does not mean "unconscious." I take "blacked out" here to mean that he had no memory of anything that happened while he was shit-faced , rather than that he was passed out.

  • Ayn Random Variation||

    ""Blacked out" does not mean "unconscious." I take "blacked out" here to mean that he had no memory of anything that happened while he was shit-faced , rather than that he was passed out."

    Yes, I was going to say this but wanted to see if anyone else did first. The guy wasn't passed out, he was just in a black out and couldn't remember the incident. (If he actually was passed out he wouldn't have left afterwards.) And it's perfectly common to have a hard on when in a black out (and when passed out for that matter).

    - former drunken college student

  • Cyto||

    We had that case a couple of years back where some chick was blowing a guy in front of an ATM on a college campus, while several people watched. She appeared on video seemingly enthusiastically involved in her actions and not the least worried that people were watching.

    This became a sexual assault after she sobered up and was embarrassed by her actions. And all of the sexual assault activist types were unanimous that he was a scumbag who raped her.

    So even a video tape is no defense.

  • Careless||

    No, I think the real question is how he could have possibly done anything to constitute an assault while passed out, given that she presumably took his dick out of her mouth once she revoked consent.

  • SimonJester||

    I was, also, interested to hear how she withdrew consent, and yet continued an act in which he was a passive member. Was his Patriarchy Aura really so strong that she felt preassured to continue even while he as asleep? Did he coerce her with his snores? Or was the Beauty of his Dong such that she simply could not keep it out of her mouth?

    The mind does wonder...

  • gaoxiaen||

    I didn't know it, but my GF rapes me every morning to wake me up. She never asked for consent one time.

  • Robert||

    Consciousness not lequired fol election of penis, nol fol ejacuration.

  • D. M. Michell||

    Biblical precedence (if one believes the Bible): Lot's daughter's got him so drunk he didn't know he had sex with them. (And God didn't say boo.) Actually, impossible. This incident tells me it's time for the big meteor to fall out of the sky and wipe out the human race so that nature can try to evolve an intelligent species.

  • Gary T||

    Obviously a case of child molestation and intentional incest.
    When the results of those relations came about, Mr. Lot made up a story that totally blamed it on on his daughters.
    Since there was a full blown patriarchy there, with Lot being The Patriarch of that tribe, there were no questions made, and everyone accepted the obviously made-up story.

  • Beancat42||

    You are able to be aroused while passed out.

  • Eman||

    If those who can do, and those who can't teach, what does that say about education professors?

  • Eman||

    If those who can do, and those who can't teach, what does that say about education professors?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    This has got to be some kind of false flag, guerrilla operation designed to show the absurdity of the idea of male rape culture or something.

  • A special place in JW's Hell||

    IN RUSSIA, COLLEGE RAPES YOU!

    I'm at about at the same place as you are. This is some kind of a test to see how much of a dope you have to be to buy this story.

  • XM||

    "IN AMERICA, COLLEGE RAPES YOU!"

    That seems about right.

  • MSimon||

    This is some kind of a test to see how much dope you have to buy.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Or a false flagpole.

  • ColonelEngineer||

    I seriously can't wait for Jezebel's deconstruction of this. Anyone else want popcorn?

  • Restoras, BHS||

    They'll ignore it.

  • WTF||

    Do you have a Master's Degree in journalism from Columbia? I didn't think so.

  • XM||

    "Great Hera, it looks like the rape culture denialists have found yet another isolated incident of false rape allegation that bolsters their narrative."

  • Restoras, BHS||

    You can read the bitch's texts here

  • WTF||

    No we can't, because you SF'd the link.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    Aaarrrgh....

    I'm having trouble posting links. So, go to http://www.mindingthecampus.org , search "Amherst" and in the essay you can scroll down to the sub-heading "I didn't, I didn't, I didn't" and the link is a couple paragraphs below.

    Definitely worth reading.

  • Puddin' Stick||

  • Puddin' Stick||

    The second link. (Female friend, the previous was the guy she was interested in.)

  • The Wood Chipper 5000||

    yeah, her texts blow (pun intended) her whole story out of the water.

    So, the blower was the roommate of the blowee's girlfriend? Is this right?

  • ||

    Yes. She is a class act.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    She's the kind of girl you want to have around.

    You know, in case you get drunk and need someone to blow you.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    Yeah, exactly, top of the Booty Call call list.

  • DJK||

    Except for the whole accusation of rape thing...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    College rape, not real rape. Go ahead, kick me out of school.

  • DJK||

    It has real consequences, even if it's jail time. Loss of tuition $, loss of job prospects that come with degree, loss of job prospects due to rape results, etc. It's far more than just being kicked out of school.

  • Careless||

    Well, he's gonna get the money back, and then some. Still, sounds like a hassle.

  • RBS||

    Just make sure you aren't dating her roommate.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    Except for the whole accusation of rape thing...

    Ok, ASIDE from that...and the roads...and the aqueduct...

  • Je Suis Reason (Fmr. AuH20)||

    The accusation makes it kinky

  • Bill||

    Years later! WTF?

  • John Thacker||

    Right. And then she was upset because all her friends, who were also friends with her roommate, took her roommate's side. Unsurprisingly.

  • BBB||

  • WTF||

    Here's all you need to know: he is male, his accuser is female, therefore he is guilty. Nothing else matters.

  • crab_apple||

    FEMALES AREN'T CAPABLE OF ASSAULT! BECAUSE PATRIARCHY!

  • Mazakon||

    This. There was non-consensual sex, and one of them was a male so therefore he is guilty.

  • ||

    Sex is immaterial and consent is not required as it can be withdrawn at any time;

    He's male, she said "Rape." Guilty. Next case.

  • thom||

    Since nobody seems to care about the actual guilt or innocence of any of these guys, and just seems interested in making sure some guy gets thrown in the slammer, why bother investigating these things at all? Wouldn't it just be easier if a rape is reported to go out on the street and grab some random guy and put him away for it? The victim gets justice, cops can close the case, etc, etc, etc.

  • crab_apple||

    Jesus, dude, don't give them ideas.

  • A special place in JW's Hell||

    Save time. Woodchipper.

  • MSimon||

    I prefer industrial arborist tools.

  • SimonJester||

    Throw Rocks. Mike taught us how.

  • SimonJester||

    Throw Rocks. Mike taught us how.

  • Loki||

    Better yet, since all cis-hetero men are just rapists in waiting, let's just throw them all in prison. Because PATRIARCHY.

  • Win Bear||

    Wouldn't they all turn gay there? Ben Carson told me that.

  • JeSuisRaison-fmr Beaut Bean Ft||

    Wouldn't it just be easier if a rape is reported to go out on the street and grab some random [black] guy and put him away up a tree for it?

    Interesting, hadn't thought of that before...

    /ghost of Robert Byrd

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The accuser found herself friendless after the encounter, when her roommate discovered what she had done.

    So this is why she leveled the accusation in the first place?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Between the encounter with Doe and the accusation — nearly two years later — the accuser developed new friends. And as it happens, these new friends were all "victims' advocates."

    Missed that line.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    This has exactly the outcome that the activists were hoping for.

  • A special place in JW's Hell||

    Yeah, assuming this is true, we've finally reached the logical conclusion of the show trials.

    "Male? GUILTY."

  • ||

    We should expect to see more of this insanity, not less, when the federal government obligates college administrators to insert themselves in students’ sex lives.

    Yes you should.

    Did anyone else watch this week's VICE? It had a segment on the campus rape bullshit. It was a bit skewed towards the rape obsessive narrative, but not totally, and brought up the Rolling Stone fabrication (while leaving out Mattress Girl entirely, even though they showed mattresses being used as "symbols" of rape or something). However, there was an incredibly telling bit from their interviewing Claire McCaskill. She says, and this is as verbatim as I can remember, that the entire purpose of adjudicating on campus is specifically to get around the higher burden of proof of the legal system. She says that outright. Watch it. It's insane.

    It was all you needed to know about this whole farcical obsession (much like this story shows you all you need to know about it).

  • A special place in JW's Hell||

    Right. A fair trial and a quick hangin.'

  • Sevo||

    "Right. A fair trial and a quick hangin.'"

    Pretty sure it's the other way 'round.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    "Damn you Senator! You promised me those men would be decently treated!"

    "They were decently treated. They were decently fed, and then they were decently shot."

  • Hey Nikki!||

    She says, and this is as verbatim as I can remember, that the entire purpose of adjudicating on campus is specifically to get around the higher burden of proof of the legal system. She says that outright.

    Aren't most of the activists pretty open about that? Or are they just inadvertently transparent? They routinely talk about how horrible it is to even have to make a statement.

  • ||

    No, this was a US politician actually saying without irony or self awareness to a reporter that the entire purpose of trying these things on campus was to get around that pesky burden of proof and presumption of innocence that our annoying legal system has. You have to watch it. Her candidness is breathtaking. it's actually shocking.

  • Loki||

    That's beyond just mask slippage. That's ripping the mask off, throwing it in a trashcan, dousing it with lighter fluid and tossing in a lit match.

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    (while leaving out Mattress Girl entirely, even though they showed mattresses being used as "symbols" of rape or something

    Intellectual property, she wanted money for consent.

  • Loki||

    she wanted money for consent.

    Well you do usually have to pay whores...

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    pecifically to get around the higher burden of proof of the legal system. She says that outright.

    You act as if you're surprised.

    The accused isn't going to jail. He's just getting expelled.

    The morons advocating this actually think that is the end of the accused's punishment. But that really isn't different for the DOJ liars who think 30 days in the hole is the extent of punishment. Any loss of job prospects, housing, etc, - while enjoyed as further punishment -, is third-party punishment and they couldn't give a flying fuck about that; if third-party punishment leads to recidivism, well it's just DOJ job security.

  • The Shrubber's Woodchipper||

    Alt alt text: RAPIST!

  • Tony||

    Moral panic ruins lives. If MADD had been there to explain why the kids shouldn't drink, this wouldn't have happened.

  • WTF||

    Tony derp de derp. Derp de derpity derpy derp. Until one day, the derpa derpa derpaderp. Derp de derp da teedily dumb. From the creators of Der, and Tum Ta Tittaly Tum Ta Too, Tony is Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb. Rated PG-13.

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    I don't even know what he's trying to tell me with that post, so I don't know if it's stupid or just confusing.

  • Tony||

    I was making a joke by suggesting that we remedy the moral panic going on over rape by introducing our other moral panic over alcohol.

  • EV||

    Yes but you post it as if this were a hard core conservative blog or something. We are libertarians.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    Same thing to simple-minded, blinker-eyed, dogmatic progtards like Tony.

  • Seamus||

    Let him be. When Tony isn't being a complete idiot, we should give him encouragement. We should not marvel that he does it (i.e., fail to be a complete idiot) badly, but rather that he does it at all.

  • Seamus||

    Let him be. When Tony isn't being a complete idiot, we should give him encouragement. We should not marvel that he does it (i.e., fail to be a complete idiot) badly, but rather that he does it at all.

  • Juvenile Bluster-fka Andrew S.||

    You're stealing my schtick! I have half a mind to get out my woodchipper, you know!

  • Trouser-Pod||

    I have half a mind

    "Half a mind is all guilty"
    /NSA

  • Didyoumeanthat||

    Wow! Thanks man. And all this time I thought it was Sandra Day O'Connor!

  • MarkLastname||

    "If MADD had been there to explain why the kids shouldn't drink, then rape wouldn't happen."
    Said Tony never, because that would be victim blaming. But since it's a 'privileged' male here who's getting fucked over, say it all you want I guess.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    "Psst. Hey girl, we'll be your friend. All you have to do is lie about being raped."

  • ||

    Dude, you joke, but that's actually very accurate. You can't be a "victim advocate" without victims. And if you can't find the victims that you want, well, maybe you'll just have to fabricate them then.

  • ColonelEngineer||

    ^^ Exactly

    Just ask Sabrina Erdely

  • PBR Streetgang||

    Almost cultish.

  • Loki||

    These are also people who most likely believe that all heterosexual sexual is rape, so in their minds all womyn are rape victims. Except for lesbians, natch. And, any woman who doesn't think she's a rape victim is suffering from false consciousness.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I can hear the scissoring now.

  • seguin||

    SCISSOR ME TIMBERS!

  • Christophe||

    Sounds like a threat to me.

  • Cy||

    Everyone gets a medal and a pedestal at the Victim Olympics!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Amherst faces a due-process lawsuit in the case.

    Amherst can't possibly defend this, can they?

  • The Shrubber's Woodchipper||

    There was a process, they did it...Due process!

  • Swiss Servator, Vorladung?||

    Processes were followed duly.

  • The Wood Chipper 5000||

    They duly processed his ass out of Amherst.

  • MSimon||

    Due process. The subpena was delivered.

  • juris imprudent||

    No, no, it's we DO process, and now you been done.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Legal Yet Totally Assholish Defense: we're a private school; we're under no obligation to provide due process.

  • ||

    The contract they signed with the student probably states otherwise.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Maybe things have changed since I went to school, I don't remember signing any sort of actual contract with the university.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    Guessing but when you matriculate do you agree to XXX?

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    My college probably doesn't remember MY policy they agreed to when they accepted my enrollment.

  • A special place in JW's Hell||

    Oh, there's still refunding the student's tuition, defamation of character, slander, etc.

    Even Lionel Hutz could win this case.

  • DJK||

    Is this entirely true? Plenty of private entities have to follow some form of due process. After all, there are wrongful termination lawsuits at private employers. Clearly there is no recognized freedom of association in at least some private enterprises. Are there no wrongful termination type laws governing private colleges? I have no idea about the law on this.

  • ClassicLib-NeverProg||

    I'm a lawyer, and neither do I. Contract law seems a little iffy, but perhaps you could argue there was an implied contract regarding expulsion for arbitrary or capricious reasons (which I would say 100% this qualifies under). Again though I have no fucking clue.

  • Cy||

    I'm not familiar with legalese. I'm assuming there has to be some avenues in civil court for this. I can't imagine the mental anguish something like this puts someone through when dealing with family and the public.

  • Michael Price||

    They take government money don't they? I'm betting there's some sort of agreement that they treat students fairly for doing so.

  • John Deere WC-12||

    Actually, it's kinda the opposite. In order to get government money you have to accept Title IX, which has been deliberately expanded by the Obama justice department to basically do exactly what Amherst did in this case.

    So if they hadn't run a Kafkaesque kangaroo court, they would have been jeopardizing their federal money.

    Welcome to America, 2015.

  • Juvenile Bluster-fka Andrew S.||

    They're going to try and quietly settle. Or at least that's what their lawyer will advise.

  • Pulseguy||

    How to get your student loans quietly paid off.

    1. Have a friend send you a pile of sexting/texting asking you for something really dirty. Have her beg for more in subsequent texts. Have her accuse you of being a horrible person for refusing to give her more of this. This must be done in your second year of school.

    2. In your graduating year have the same friend accuse you of having raped him/her two years previously.

    3. Build the case up hugely making you look like the illegitimate cis-lord son of William F Buckly and Richard Nixon.

    4. Get kicked out of school.

    5. Sue the school for $1,000,000. Bring forth the texts/sexts as proof you were telling the truth and your friend was lying.

    6. Friend sues the school because the rape counsellors employed by the school were encouraging her to lie.

    7. Friend sues school for $1,000,000.

    8. Split the profits.

    9. Then, marry friend because she obviously can be trusted.

  • SimonJester||

    "Due process" is only one "D" away from "Dude Process." Therefore, patriarchy. Therefore, FY.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    The accuser found herself friendless after the encounter, when her roommate discovered what she had done.

    Between the encounter with Doe and the accusation — nearly two years later — the accuser developed new friends. And as it happens, these new friends were all "victims' advocates."

    These people are nothing but vampires, preying on the weak-minded for their own aggrandizement.

  • Pulseguy||

    The accuser will find herself friendless throughout the course of her life. Because she is a really bad human being. Sooner or later it will come out in every situation.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Which is really a shame. If she would have just shut up and kept sucking cocks she could have been very popular.

  • paranoid android||

    I think even the most staunchly pro-victim anti-rape activists would admit that (maybe).

    Oh, Robby. Dear, sweet, naive Robby.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    An accused student may hire an attorney, but that attorney cannot say anything during the hearing.

    OR ELSE WHAT?

  • ||

    Yeah, that's the thing about these. What are you gonna do about it, tough guy? You're already trying to kangaroo court the guy, so what are you going to do if he tells you to go fuck yourself?

  • ||

    OR ELSE WHAT?

    I either get a lawyer that can talk or I get a lawyer who breathes heavily, stares unblinkingly, handles weapons furtively, and knows how to operate a woodchipper.

  • BuSab Agent||

    STEVE SMITH offers law services now?

  • Cy||

    I believe that's an accountant.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    An accused student may hire an attorney, but that attorney cannot say anything during the hearing.

    That would be fine with me. I'd just hire a lawyer who wouldn't say a damned thing during the "hearing". He'd just pull out his video camera and tape recorder. And he'd introduce himself to the chief administrator present as a plaintiff's attorney.

  • Win Bear||

    OR ELSE WHAT?

    Note how the story is about sucking cock? What do you think "OR ELSE WHAT"?

  • John Deere WC-12||

    To be honest, the Justice Department could bring federal civil rights charges against you.

    Personally, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves and dare them to escalate it. But that's just me.

  • grrizzly||

    This outcome was obviously a gross miscarriage of justice. I think even the most staunchly pro-victim anti-rape activists would admit that.

    This is so cute.

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    Robby has managed to maintain his faith in humanity despite a) his run ins with crazed feminists who WENT TO COLUMBIA UNLIKE THAT IDIOT ROBBY, b) his constant delving into the horror show that is modern campus rape policy, and c) periodically looking into the sewer that is the H&R comment section.

    It's kind of inspiring. Robby has looked into the abyss but the abyss has not looked back into him.

  • McKenna||

    It's only inspiring if you're a similarly-minded naif.

  • Loki||

    Just give it time. Sooner or later, the abyss ALWAYS looks back.

  • perlhaqr||

    d) writing for Reason.

    :-p

  • SimonJester||

    E) reason commenters.

  • RBS||

    If I was going to make up some bullshit story to illustrate the campus rape hysteria it would look a lot like this.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You can't make this shit up. Pass out to a blowjob, wake up in trouble.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I could sure go for a non-consensual blowjob right now.

    Woodchipper disclaimer: not serious.

  • Florida Man||

    It relieves you of all culpability!
    "Come on wife, I didn't cheat. I was blow-raped."

  • Formerly Free Society||

    Blaped, if you will.

  • Florida Man||

    Hmm. "Florida Man, blaped at mud truck race."

    That could be a news headline. I like it.

  • R C Dean||

    This will be easiest contingent fee, ever.

    (1) File complaint in court.

    (2) File discovery request in court, including the entire diversity staff, senior administration, and asking for a list of the names of every other person who has filed a rape complaint or been accused of rape.

    (3) Cash big settlement check.

    The university's lawyers would be fools to let anyone at all be deposed in this case. God only knows what these lunatics in campus administration and diversity would say. No. Just, no.

    They'd also be fools to give a plaintiff's attorney a list of all the other potential plaintiffs they have created.

    Should settle before discovery even gets underway. Cha-ching!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You goddamn lawyer scum. (Do you have a card? In case I ever need a lawyer.)

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    What's the premium on that? Triple the original ask?

  • Bill Dalasio||

    Amherst has an endowment of $2.15 billion. Think you could pull punitive damages?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Do expelled students get their tuition back?

  • ||

    That's actually a really good question. Are you sure *you* thought of it?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I was just stringing random words together, like usual.

  • ||

    Once again, you fail the Turing Test. And you failed me. I hope you're happy.

  • MSimon||

    I prefer the Touring Test. Skedaddle.

  • SimonJester||

    Isn't that some gay french bike race? Like, with dudes in really really tight pants?

  • BuSab Agent||

    Great googly moogly!

  • Restoras, BHS||

    +1 The Chefs

  • The Late P Brooks||

    It's pretty obvious there is no such thing as a female "aggressor". What happens when two female students bring a "revised consent" sexual escapade to the kangaroo tribunal?

  • ColonelEngineer||

    Double your victim, double your.... umm...

    *chews mint gum*

  • ||

    What happens when two female students bring a "revised consent" sexual escapade to the kangaroo tribunal?

    1. Develop some arbitrary measure of male aggressiveness.*
    2. Convict.

    *Physical distance to nearest male is acceptably convenient.

  • John Thacker||

    Brandeis has shown that if it's two guys, then whoever brings the complaint is the victim, whomever gets accused is guilty.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    but that attorney cannot say anything during the hearing.

    Any attorney who does not immediately say, "Fuck this. We're leaving. See you IN COURT." should be disbarred.

  • paranoid android||

    but that attorney cannot say anything during the hearing.

    What's the policy on the attorney pantomiming jerking off when the administrators are speaking?

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    According to modern campus rules, I believe technically that is rape. Although if a female attorney pantomimes jerking off while a male administrator is speaking, it's possible he technically raped the female attorney.

    It gets complicated.

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    "This outcome was obviously a gross miscarriage of justice. I think even the most staunchly pro-victim anti-rape activists would admit that (maybe)."

    I'm glad you tacked that 'maybe' onto the end in order to change this sentence from wrong to merely naive.

  • The Last American Hero||

    What little I know about this college I learned from reading Calvin Coolidge's autobiography. Things seemed to have changed a bit on campus since he matriculated.

  • sarcasmic||

    Imagine if he had accused her of sexual assault as well—the panel might very well have concluded that they raped each other.

    Yeah right. Only men can commit rape, just like only whites can be racist. Everyone knows this.

  • Formerly Free Society||

    There's a reason white males are just the worst.

  • Loki||

    There's a reason white cis-gendered heterosexual males are just the worst.

    FTFY. Remember, gays and trannies get a permanent victim status card.

  • Win Bear||

    Isn't that a simple solution for the guy? He just needs to "come out" as a tranny. If he is a lesbian tranny, he can even continue dating women, and he has two victim points (three if you count that he's Asian), against here one victim point (female).

  • Mazakon||

    In a twisted sense, administrators were correct to find John Doe guilty. He was accused of sexual assault, and he couldn't prove the encounter was consensual.

    I'm gonna believe this is just a typo stemming from many other cases of consensual sex turned victim, but none of this sounds consensual Robby.

  • Marshal||

    Her consent is not under investigation because Doe did not make an accusation.

    Under Affirmative Consent he is enjoined from using his drunkenness to explain why he didn't obtain consent. Since she made a complaint he must prove consent and cannot.

    Therefore under Amherst's procedures the finding of guilty is correct.

  • Paul.||

    This is one of the few cases where we have an actually good idea of what happened the night in question.

    Those of us with who have had some unfortunate experiences with the emotionally unbalanced have a pretty good idea of what happened on the night in question in the other cases, too.

  • Formerly Free Society||

    I can think of two good reasons not put your cock in the mouth of the emotionally unbalanced.

  • MSimon||

    If cocaine or meth was legal and cheap this would never have happened.

  • sarcasmic||

    Here's something you never hear a guy say: "Stop sucking my dick, or I'll call the police!"
    -George Carlin

  • Certified Public Asskicker||

    Hard to feel too bad for the guy, he got blown and will get a nice settlement out of this.

  • Tony||

    If she was drunk she couldn't have consented to blowing the guy.

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    This is either a fake Tony sock puppet or Tony is being sarcastic. There is no way even Tony would say this seriously.

  • WTF||

    Actually, Tony really is that stupid.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    By the same logic, if a drunk guy rapes someone it couldn't have been rape since he was drunk.

  • Florida Man||

    Except she perform the act. He didn't skull fuck her. So she consent by actively doing it.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    No, FM. You see, alcohol has magical properties on campus. It removes the ability to give or receive consent. Therefore, anyone who imbibes it is no longer responsible for their actions. It's amazing, really.

    Of course, once you are off campus, that logic no longer applies. Drink and drive, and kill someone, it is no longer the alcohol's fault but your own.

  • Florida Man||

    God I got out of college right in the nick of time.

  • MSimon||

    701 may not appreciate the reference.

  • A special place in JW's Hell||

    You see, alcohol has magical properties on campus. It removes the ability to give or receive consent.

    Only for cismales. The women's drunkenness insulates her from culpability and responsibility in the act. The man's is per se guilt no matter which way it goes.

  • Tony||

    I GET IT. I can't even agree with you guys without getting the monkey shit thrown in my direction.

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    Well it's just confusing, Tony. It didn't help that you made several sarcastic remarks which confused me as to whether or not you were being sarcastic.

    Don't worry, buddy. I got your back. I knew you were with us on this one. *high fives Tony*

  • Florida Man||

    Try adding a sarc tag in the future, cuz it's hard to tell with you.

  • DJ1706||

    Where's the part where you agreed?

  • Tony||

    Just so we're not mistaken, it's not the part about how white heterosexual men are the only true victim class.

  • rocks||

    Who the fuck said that here?

    Is always about race to a racist. (That's you Tony)

  • Trouser-Pod||

    And, there it is. He didn't disappoint after all!

  • SQRLSY One||

    The true victim class is the taxpayer!

  • EV||

    So then it was no case at all since they were both drunk, fuck, he was blacked out.

  • Marshal||

    The girl was not drunk.

  • ||

    This is dumb.

    Everyone knows A) Trix is for kids, B) Minorities can't be racist and C) men can't be raped.

  • sarcasmic||

    Can't rape the willing, and men are always willing.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Amherst College expelled a male student who was accused of sexually assaulting a female student while he was blacked out. Again, while he was blacked out. The woman he allegedly assaulted was fully lucid.

    Get your head out of your ass, Tony.

  • Irish Says Enough Woodchippers||

    It's not Tony. I think it's a Tony sock because even Tony wouldn't say something that dumb.

  • WTF||

    Sure he would. He does it all the time.

  • X[redacted]s||

    (Maybe).

  • Tony||

    I doubt she was totally sober though. Any alcohol and you cannot consent to your actions, is what I've been told. If that's true for the rapee why isn't it true for the raper?

  • WTF||

    So Tony is now saying a drunk guy can't rape. You can't make this shit up, folks.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    Yes, that's exactly what he is saying. So, since all this campus rape (that's fake) is driven almost entirely by access to alcohol, it isn't really the fault of anyone but is in fact the fault of the alcohol.

    More animism the proglodytes are embracing tighter every day.

  • Tony||

    Hey I think being drunk should be a mitigating factor in all matters.

  • X[redacted]s||

    Oh, i get it! You're drunk right now, aren't you.

  • Tony||

    No but I certainly wish I were.

  • Restoras, BHS||

    Yeah, sure you do.

  • Tony||

    Being drunk means impaired judgment. Like being insane, you are less able to grasp right and wrong. I call for not guilty by reason of drunkenness.

    I also think that some crimes, especially some really heinous ones, are themselves evidence of the perpetrator's insanity. Let's all chew on that.

  • DJK||

    Should being drunk be a defense against DUI and DWI?

  • Tony||

    Obviously.

  • DJK||

    We agree on few things, Tony. Let's celebrate this brief moment of agreement. Drink!

  • ||

    Being drunk means impaired judgment.

    That explains all those field sobriety tests where they make you answer difficult moral questions and make you jump through all the game theory hoops. They do it to get you off the road so that you don't just decide to start driving over pedestrians.

  • Seamus||

    "OK, as soon as you finish walking this straight line, I want to to walk over to that lever and throw the switch on the trolley line."

  • Pulseguy||

    The definition of insanity legally is the inability to know what you are doing is wrong. Since most crimes are covered up and the perp does all he or she can to avoid being caught by definition they knew it was wrong.

    If you wish to make the case any crime against humanity can only be done by someone insane, then please do so. But, simply stating you think this isn't creating an argument for what you believe.

  • DJK||

    I don't know that cover-up is the right standard. Generally, doesn't it have to be shown that your were insane at the time of commission of the crime? That's an entirely different matter.

  • Tony||

    by definition they knew it was wrong.

    Or at least that it was criminal, which if I understand correctly is sufficient to establish sanity in this country. So be it. Point is I don't believe in free will so we should dispense with caring about justice and focus on a rigorously defined public safety.

  • Trouser-Pod||

    Screw your belief.

  • Pulseguy||

    Tony...how can you not believe in free will? That is absurd. I just ate a piece of pie. I considered eating two. But, I chose not to. Ergo, free will.

    If you argue against any one of us having free will you are essentially saying no individual exists.

  • Pulseguy||

    Tony...how can you not believe in free will? That is absurd. I just ate a piece of pie. I considered eating two. But, I chose not to. Ergo, free will.

    If you argue against any one of us having free will you are essentially saying no individual exists.

  • Pulseguy||

    Tony...how can you not believe in free will? That is absurd. I just ate a piece of pie. I considered eating two. But, I chose not to. Ergo, free will.

    If you argue against any one of us having free will you are essentially saying no individual exists.

  • Win Bear||

    Like being insane, you are less able to grasp right and wrong.

    You obviously have first hand experience in that department.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Like drunk driving?

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Like drunk driving?

  • John Thacker||

    I believe he's saying (just as Robby is) that that's the prevailing attitude on campus among the activist set. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

    This case is possibly even crazier than the Brandeis one with the gay couple where the guy who dumped the other decided 9 months later that the beginning of their two year relationship had been gay, plus all the times he was woken up for sex during the relationship he was molested. Even though he broke up with the other dude because he wanted someone more "sexually aggressive."

  • Zeb||

    Yeah, I think Tony is more or less agreeing with the prevailing sentiment on this one.

  • DJK||

    "I think even the most staunchly pro-victim anti-rape activists would admit that (maybe)".

    Can we not call them anti-rape activists? That could be read as implying that those who disagree with them are not anti-rape (perhaps even pro-rape?). And who the hell is pro-rape? It's bad enough that they get away with casting themselves as the only morally acceptable viewpoint; don't make their job even easier. Labels matter.

  • Marshal||

    "Campus rape hysterics" is the approved term.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    "Whoa. I'm so WASTED. Say, aren't you that chick..?"

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    It's fine once she's out of college.

  • Cy||

    It's referred to as 'Team building' in the corporate world.

  • DJK||

    This poor guy's first mistake was going to Amherst.

  • ||

    Waking up to find you're getting a blowjob is one of life's sublime joys. Or it should be, at least. This poor bastard.

  • Catatafish & Woodchips||

    *remembers college fondly before it became a live action set for The Trial*

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Can we not call them anti-rape activists?

    I think we have sufficient evidence to call them "anti-SEX" activists. After all women are too feebleminded and helpless to willingly and knowingly engage in something so revoltingly animalistic as copulation with a man.

  • Juvenile Bluster-fka Andrew S.||

    It's the Junior Anti-Sex League. Just a couple of decades late.

  • DJK||

    Exactly. I'm just not a fan of Robby giving in to their terminology so easily.

  • R C Dean||

    You know where I am on this topic.

    There's no reason to treat these people as misguided or well-intentioned. They aren't. They are spiteful, bitter people out to harm others who have done them no wrong. While there may be exceptions (like the semi-mythical good cop), when you voluntarily align yourself with bad people doing bad things, I'm not bothered if you get smeared by the broad brush.

  • Zeb||

    I think a lot of them probably are misguided and well-intentioned.

    But I am not terribly bothered either if they get smeared with a broad brush. Road to hell and all that. Good intentions count for jack shit when they lead to evil outcomes.

  • Win Bear||

    I think we have sufficient evidence to call them "anti-SEX" activists.

    Didn't we just use to call them "frigid"?

  • Formerly Free Society||

    Did the guy have a penis? If so, he is a rapist.

  • EV||

    Yeah but one has a penis and the other doesn't so....GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!

  • DJ1706||

    "It ruled that while Doe likely was “blacked out” during the oral sex, “[b]eing intoxicated or impaired by drugs or alcohol is never an excuse.” Since AS [the female] said she withdrew consent at some point during the sexual act, and since Doe couldn’t challenge that recollection, the panel was at least 50.01 percent inclined to believe the accuser’s tale."

    Well, hell, why didn't they just SHOOT him?

  • But Enough About Me||

    As other commenters have said above, "Don't give them any ideas."

  • R C Dean||

    Since AS [the female] said she withdrew consent at some point during the sexual act,

    But, gave no indication of such, and even swallowed when she was done?

  • Catatafish & Woodchips||

    Something tells me DJ has found the one context that WON'T inspire a federal judge to bring an AUSA down upon our collective heads.

  • ||

    John Doe was with his girlfriend’s roommate

    So he's guilty: innocent males don't groom their girlfriends' roommates for BJs. He got blackout drunk so he could claim plausible deniability over his coercion of the innocent roommate into oral sex.

    Her self-accusatory tone in the post-event texts were caused by the prevailing rape culture, slut shaming and peer pressure. In a healthy, socially just environment she would have been able to properly evaluate her state of victimization immediately.

    /anti-rape activist

  • Loki||

    You joke, but this is probably the activists very argument.

  • But Enough About Me||

    Whaddya mean "probably"?

  • Je suis Woodchipper||

    fuck the comments section has its A-game today. i can't read anymore w/o risking choking on my lunch.

    nothing like an assault from outsiders to bring it together.

  • Metall Holzhackmashine||

    Love all the new handles. Very chipper I must say.

  • But Enough About Me||

    I tried to change mine to "But Enough About My Woodchipper," but there's some mindless limit to the number of letters in a handle...

  • Loki||

    Yeah, I was going to change mine or "Loki is covered in blood splatter from a wood chipper 'accident'" but couldn't fit it all in. Oh well, I just need time to come up with something that implies I ran someone through a wood chipper and fits within the stupid character limit.

  • Metall Holzhackmashine||

    Bloody Woodchips?
    Woodchipper accident?
    The Gory Woodchipper
    Saw 3 but with Woodchippers?

  • GILMORE, Clownish Brat||

    I actually tried Überholzhackmaschine

    but it didn't feel right

    I'm more a Bandit 3590 than 3680

  • waffles||

    Th'ats a fine peace oaf machinery thart is.

  • Not an Economist||

    I want one.

  • Chippy chips-a-lot (Kevin)||

    Just had to post in order to see my new handle in print. There's a special place in hell for shitty, overly-long handles that seek to make a political point.

  • Metall Holzhackmashine||

    This man should just lie and say he's gay, that would mean that at no time would he ever consent to such a thing and he might one up this chick on the victim hierarchy.

    SJW types get really confused when two members of different victim groups start fighting with each other.

  • But Enough About Me||

    So he'd be a "Gaysian." Awesome.

  • Win Bear||

    If he declares himself to be a lesbian Asian transvestite, he can even continue to have sex with women.

  • Cy||

    But then she'll claim Trans! Then what?

  • MSimon||

    You know what else is due process? The subpena was delivered.

  • MSimon||

    If only I could spell subpoena.

  • Don'tTreadOnMeChipper||

    It's spelled, "subpenis"...

  • GILMORE, Clownish Brat||

    "She also complained that the other man, who had come over after the alleged assault, had taken until 5 in the morning to finally have sex with her"

    I mean, it would have been so much easier if he'd just passed out like the first one

  • Drake||

    Perhaps he was put off by the cum-breath.

  • ||

    Is this slut shaming? You better not be slut shaming!

  • Marshal||

    Why is everyone down on sluts? We need more, not fewer.

  • ||

    More socially upstanding sluts, sure.

    More of the ones that wait until you're asleep, blow you, then wait two years to cry rape and get you kicked out of school, not so much. Same with the one's that decide to carry around mattresses or write for Rolling Stone's 'Letters to Sabrina' column.

    Also, if you can't be down on sluts, who can you be down on?

  • Pulseguy||

    I wonder how many lives will be damaged by all of this, and then I would like to compare this to the McCarthy period. Same idea. Jobs lost, reputations lost.

    Anyone have any idea on how many people were actually hurt by McCarthy?

  • Slumbrew||

    Anyone have any idea on how many people were actually hurt by McCarthy?

    Jenny McCarthy has hurt untold thousands with her retarded anti-vax message.

  • Brando||

    With each lawsuit filed by the falsely accused, we may eventually see schools reassess these policies. I suspect we'll see more of these in the next few years.

  • R C Dean||

    Let's not overlook this juicy detail:

    She also complained that the other man, who had come over after the alleged assault, had taken until 5 in the morning to finally have sex with her.

    So, after she blaped her roommates boyfriend, she calls some other guy and bangs him?

    And, why don't we know her name? No one should anonymously accuse someone of a crime and demand his/her punishment. That's bringing whatever happened into the public arena. If you want to maintain your privacy, don't make public accusations.

  • Marshal||

    Her name is Anna Seward. She wrote about the incident in the school paper, which created some buzz and led to the investigation. Because it wasn't under investigation at the time her name wasn't sequestered. Of course by the time she wrote the article she had recast herself as the victim.

    The link is in KC Johnson's article at Minding the Campus. I tried to post but it's giving me an error.

  • Rt. Hon. Judge Woodrow Chipper||

    We should expect to see more of this insanity, not less, when the federal government obligates college administrators to insert themselves in students’ sex lives.

    Look, the federal government doesn't have enough idiot judges to hear EVERY case, they HAVE to subcontract.

  • Knarf Yenrab!||

    So I'm thinking that Robby is pretty much Reason's campus-rape specialist at this point.

    Which seems to be the libertarian journalistic equivalence of throwing children into a pit with hungry dogs to fight for meat.

  • R C Dean||

    Reason's campus-rape specialist

    Warty may have something to say about that.

  • BuSab Agent||

    Warty is far too wise to select any of his basement attendees from a campus.

  • GILMORE, Clownish Brat||

    "Which seems to be the libertarian journalistic equivalence of like throwing children into a pit with hungry dogs"

    Closer

    *i have yet to see any evidence of the redacted bit

  • John C. Randolph||

    I want to know why John Doe hasn't pressed criminal charges against the girl who blew him while he was unable to resist.

    -jcr

  • Knarf Yenrab!||

    Fear and shame.

  • HeForeverBleeds||

    It's pretty obvious, even by most of the comments here, that no one would take his accusation seriously. Heterosexual males should be up for sex all the time with every female, so they should never complain about being sexually assaulted and never resist any sexual attention. Don't you know? Having sexual standards is apparently not manly

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    His settlement with Amherst should allow him to continue his studies anywhere in the world, pay off any student debt, and still provide a substantial nest-egg for his future, and for that of his children if he chooses to have any - who most assuredly will not be encouraged to attend Amherst.

  • Marshal||

    And, why don't we know her name? No one should anonymously accuse someone of a crime and demand his/her punishment. That's bringing whatever happened into the public arena. If you want to maintain your privacy, don't make public accusations.

    Her name is Anna Seward. She wrote about the incident in the school paper, which triggered a reaction from Doe and led to the investigation. Because it wasn't under investigation at the time her name wasn't sequestered. Of course by the time she wrote the article she had recast herself as the victim.

    The link is in KC Johnson's article at Minding the Campus. I tried to post but it's giving me an error.

  • XM||

    I can't imagine the student's lawyer would recommend his client to settle. This case has "payday" written all over it.

    If this happened to me I would sue them for 100 million dollars, barring some sort of cap.

  • Akira||

    All this "campus rape EPIDEMIC" bullshit makes me glad that I go to a small community college. Online.

  • NealAppeal||

    “[b]eing intoxicated or impaired by drugs or alcohol is never an excuse.”

    Except that is the excuse those typically "campus raped" give for never consenting to sex.

  • Tionico||

    which perfectly explains WHY college administrations must NOT be allowed to play the role of courts of law. They are not trained in legal procedures, evidence, and such. And these standards of "proof" are SO illegal its not even funny. Hoe is right to sue. And I hope he cleans their clock. and hers.

    I found myself wondering whether her replacement gigolo who "finally got round to performing" at five AM might not have a case against her.... can SHE prove she had HIS continues vigourous affirmative assent during the whole encounter, even if we consider its beginning to have come at five AM? Seems HE would have a good case, and if I were the JohnnDoe involved, I'd persue that.. convince him (his replacement)") to make the charge of rape.... she would have a REAL hard time of proving HIS continuous, etc, assent.

    And this all comes of teaching kids stargint at kindergarten that sex is a great way of passing the time, staving off boredom, is morally neutral, and "safe". I find myself pondering the mess the coming generations will be should this value set continue. As it most likely will

  • Michael Ejercito||

    But they are smarter than us. I mean, look at what happened at Penn State when Jerry Sandusky was accused of rape. Graham Spanier and company took a quick look and said nothing more to see, move along now. They are college-educated. Who was that grand jury to question their conclusion?

  • Marshall Gill||

    They are college-educated

    Which today means that they are uniquely ignorant. I fear sending my children to college when I consider all of the things which colleges teach today which simply are not true.

  • Dick Head||

    They should contact Rolling Stone about this.

  • ||

    woodchipper handle test.

  • EmilyRay||

    Why the College failed to ask the question of the woman about how she obtained consent from a "Blacked Out" person is complete stupidity!!! Sex requires consent from both parties and clearly he never gave it.

  • FuriousFatMan||

    more of that male privilege i keep hearing about....

  • chmercier||

    Everyone forgets about a witness who's actually been subpoenaed for the trial, but wasn't allowed to give testimony before the plaintiff began his suit. Normally going by "Chip", he was last seen at a hardware store, and the most recent picture is from August, 2014: http://bedair.org/Projects/chipper11.jpg

  • buybuydandavis||

    CHECK YOUR CIS MALE PRIVILEGE

    EVERYTHING bad is always a cis male's fault. Even when he is raped. It is *his* fault, and he should be *punished*.

    Maybe the guy should claim he is a pre op trans female. Or gay. He might have rights then.

    Between this and the 11 year old boy kidnapped by the State for months because he played alone in his own damn yard for an hour, this is the best Nut Punch Day I can remember.

  • Petie||

    Welcome to a woman's experience since the time of Genesis: raped, blamed for it, and shunned. Another 3,000 years should even things out!

  • chmercier||

    You may have a point. But what about the woodchippers - does no one think of their feelings?

  • MSimon||

    She decided to give a BJ to a passed out man. Explain again how she got raped?

    And it took her two years to report the "crime" of the male failing to get her permission to be a passive participant in the "event".

    Of course if you are being sarcastic....

  • MSimon||

    It has got to be sarcasm.

  • ||

    So, basically a man and a woman go into a room drunk and have some sex. And that makes him a rapist and her a victim. Even though they were BOTH drunk. When the woman is drunk it's the man's responsibility to not take advantage, because drunkenness is no excuse. But when the man is drunk, the woman is still the victim, because apparently it's impossible for a drunk woman to take advantage of a drunk man, even if he's so drunk he has no recollection of the whole encounter.

  • MSimon||

    It is much better than that. She was not drunk. He was. In his drunken state he failed to get her permission for the BJ she wanted to give him.

    RAPE!

  • MarkLastname||

    "So, basically a man and a woman go into a room... And that makes him a rapist and her a victim."

    FIFY!

  • MJBinAL||

    It continues to amaze me how law abiding, even under extraordinary conditions, most of my fellow citizens are. It baffles me that these administrators and bureaucrats carry on this way secure that no harm will come to them. If I treated someone this unfairly I would fear to leave my home.

    These young men have lives nearly destroyed, careers trashed, get socially ostricized and ridiculed, and yet there is no trail of dead college administrator bodies.

    The IRS breaks men in error, confiscates houses, cars, bank accounts, and business's and leaves them broken, and divorced. Yet, there are no indications that dead IRS employees show up in rivers or streets.

    As I said, it does not amaze me on those occasions when violence ensues, it amazes me how seldom violence ensues.

  • Carl96190||

    I am also amazed. Were I to be wronged in such a way, the lying bitch, her supporters and the college administrators would would a great deal of worry.

  • Carl96190||

    I am also amazed. Were I to be wronged in such a way, the lying bitch, her supporters and the college administrators would would a great deal of worry.

  • Mannie||

    Whisky Tango Foxtrot, over. Kangaroos would be offended by that finding.

    $ue. $ue. $ue.

  • Duelles||

    Did you mean to say, " insert themselves," on purpose? Isn't that a form of rape? Literally or figuratively?

  • Moby||

    Most colleges are run by fools.

  • Carl96190||

    This is another excellent example to support the argument that men in general, but in particular university students, should have nothing to do with women.
    Sure, there are a few NAWALTs (not all women are like that), but all that is needed is one lying psycho bitch to destroy a man's life...forever.

  • Rockabilly||

    His crime was having a penis

  • SQRLSY One||

    Yeah man, I finally got it... The ONLY true-blue, 100% guarantee for men to NOT get caught in this kind of "unwillingly got raped by some bitch while I slept" is to cut our cocks off!!!! Lemme go git a knife... I am gonna cut them off EVERY male-type-dude fella I see, as a crime-proofing favor to them... Fer their own good!!!! (Ye ken thank me later).

  • iverglas||

    Someone please get young Master Soave an education.

    The young gentleman in question in the incident did not black out. He was blacked out - he was in a blackout. An alcoholic blackout. Wikipedia can help you with this.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Blackout_(drug-related_amnesia)

    A person in an alcoholic blackout is not unconscious. This individual did not claim to have been unconscious. He claimed not to remember the events.

    "I do not remember" is not a defence. In fact, "I was drunk" is not a defence to sexual assault, in most jurisdictions, since sexual assault is not a specific-intent offence.

    There you go, Robby. I just saved you a couple of semesters' work.

    Now if you would like to edit your blog item to remove the false statements/implications about Doe's mental state, you might regain some of your own credibility.

  • Migrant Log Chipper||

    Dumbfuck, the chiquita did the sucking while the dude was not aware....reading comprehension is your friend.

  • Marshall Gill||

    I just saved you a couple of semesters' work.

    Holy Science! I knew that they didn't teach jack in college today but "a couple of semesters"?! Do they spend 18 years teaching verb tenses? 194 semesters to learn the periodic table? That is just embarrassing.

  • Fun at Parties||

    It's difficult for women to resist a vulnerable man. That's their version of the "power trip" and domination. It obviously turned her on but he was too sloppy to go further so she decided on plan B. Normally this would be just another night in college life but she had to open her dumb mouth.

  • josh||

    how does a simple accusation amount to 50.01% proof of anything? i'm against a preponderance of the evidence standard anyway, but that doesn't even rise that far.

  • Alan@.4||

    Phone calls to lawyers likely being made,seems like a large possibility.

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  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    " I think even the most staunchly pro-victim anti-rape activists would admit that (maybe)."

    Why would you believe that, even for a moment?

  • Alam||

    I have to disagree with the article here. Is the situation described here really Kafkaesque? Can something be both "Kafkaesque" and a "farce"? Ben Marcus states: "Kafka's quintessential qualities are affecting use of language, a setting that straddles fantasy and reality, and a sense of striving even in the face of bleakness—hopelessly and full of hope." I don't really see the situation described here as fitting that.

  • Sparr||

    Clarification request: "blacked out" as in unconscious or as in "doesn't remember what happened"? Two very different situations.

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