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Rand Paul: As Pro-Second Amendment as They Come, Cast Out by NRA

Internal gun rights movement politics keep NRA away from Rand Paul.

Daily Beast explores some arcane, to non-insiders, gun rights movement politics to explain why the National Rifle Association (NRA) is being mean to a candidate who is as pro-Second Amendment as they come, Rand Paul.

Roughly, in case you didn't know, to many in that world, the NRA are the squishy equivocators of gun rights, and Paul is affiliated with some more hardcore ones in perceived war with the NRA.

Thus, the NRA snubbed him by not inviting him to a conference they are throwing tomorrow to which other candidates have been invited.

Details from Olivia Nuzzi at the Beast:

Paul has an A-rating from the NRA, but the objective grading of his gun-rights credentials has little to do with the politics of the pro-gun lobby, wherein his involvement with extremist groups tied to his father, former congressman and libertarian-icon Ron Paul, has not won him many friends.

“Sometimes the NRA doesn’t like it when people are bigger defenders of the issue than they are,” the source suggested. “They also don’t like it that he helps other, stronger groups like the Gun Owners of America and the National Association for Gun Rights.”

Rand Paul's response, reported by David Weigel at Bloomberg:

"The interesting thing is that there's probably no greater advocate for the Second Amendment in Congress than myself," Paul said today. "To not be invited, probably, will serve more to cast aspersions on their group than it would on me. Because my record's pretty clear. It probably looks a little bit petty for them not to invite a major candidate because I raised money for other Second Amendment groups."

My book Gun Control on Trial told the story of how obstructionist the NRA was about the Heller case that established a firm Court-recognized right to personal ownership of commonly used weapons for self-defense in the home.

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  • Rich||

    the NRA snubbed him by not inviting him to a conference

    Well, maybe that'll trick some gun-grabbers into voting for him.

  • Dweebston||

    As milquetoast as their understanding of statistics and the Constitution tends to be, I have no doubt you're right.

  • Cytotoxic||

    They might be learning from the cosmos who staff Reason.

  • briannnnn||

    Oh my God this article is boring.

  • ||

    Fuck off, moron.

  • briannnnn||

    Don't you have better things to do than to find my posts and call me names? I make legitimate points, but you've decided for some reason that I'm a troll and an asshole. And that's ok. We're all allowed to come to our own conclusions no matter how ignorant they are. But trolling me and consistently saying "fuck off, moron." (poor grammar by the way) is just lame.

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    Fuck off, moron slaver.

  • briannnnn||

    HAHAHA. Slaver.

  • briannnnn||

    I hope you were kidding. Otherwise, there are two people trolling me in order to tell me to fuck off and stop being a troll, and that would be almost like a following!

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    Fuck off, slaver moron.

    See Alice's Restaurant & Massacree, part two.

  • briannnnn||

    Ooooh ooooh! I like that song. What was my minor offense?

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    Being such a moronic slaver that you didn't recognize the bit about marching into the recruiter, singing afore Alice's Restaurant, and walking out.

  • ||

    Oh my god. Not only are you a moron, you're actually a no-shit illiterate as well. Poor grammar. Jesus Christ, it's too bad you're too stupid to be embarrassed by that. Fuck off, moron, and take all your other troll handles with you. Idiot.

  • briannnnn||

    "Fuck off, moron." Is bad grammar. It's "fuck off moron." without a comma.

  • ||

    Oh, my. You poor idiot. You are...not smart.

  • briannnnn||

    What is the purpose of the comma?

  • ||

    No. No, it's not.

    Kindly fuck off, grammatically-challenged moron slaver.

  • briannnnn||

    Yes it is. What is the purpose of the comma?

  • Jordan||

  • briannnnn||

    Sure, then you would say "fuck off, you moron."

  • Jordan||

    No. "Fuck off, moron" is still in the vocative case.

  • briannnnn||

    And what's all this slaver crap?

  • ||

    I suppose we should thank him for demonstrating what a sub-90 IQ looks like. He may be dumb, but at least he's not shy about it.

  • briannnnn||

    Please explain to me two things: What is the point of the comma before moron, and why are you calling me slaver?

  • ||

    Are you a child? I mean that as a serious question, not an insult. You seem like you must be about 12, 14, something like that. If you're a child, I apologize for insulting you, and I would definitely not euthanize you in a bucket of water if we ever met.

  • briannnnn||

    And you're awfully emotional for a man. It's really off-putting.

  • ||

    Is it that time of month already?

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    And while we're at it ... "Old Man With Candy" ....

    Fuck off, wannabe sweet-tooth enslaver!

  • Butler T. Reynolds||

    Your mom is.

  • robc||

    The GOA ratins are more accurate too. NRA adjusted for party affiliation.

  • Charles Easterly||

    I believe that Gun Owners of America is generally better at advocating for everyone's rights, not just their own members. During some legislation regarding privacy rights of organizations' members, the GOA continued to fight for "the cause" while the NRA stopped lobbying congress after pushing for and then confirming that the legislation under consideration would not affect organizations as large as their own (yet still be invasive to members of smaller organizations including the much smaller GOA).

    Here is a link to a fairly well sourced article comparing the two organizations regarding the Second Amendment specifically: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013.....than-nra/#!

  • BDub||

    I've always felt like GOA and SAF where better advocates for individual rights, while the NRA was more of an industry lobbyist. Any work they do on individual right has to line-up with an industry interest for it to get on there radar, and where there is a conflict between the two that always fall on the industry side. At least that's been my impression. And for that reason I am not an NRA member but I do support GOA and SAF, and even CalGuns from time to time.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Alan Gottlieb (SAF) has come out in favor of a number of control measures over the years, particularly at the state level. Like NAGR, he's mostly about the fundraising. My tinfoil hat theory is that Heller was his attempt to torpedo run rights once and for all that backfired when the Supreme Court tore up what little previous precedent there was and affirmed that the 2nd Amendment was an individual right.

  • LarryA||

    During some legislation regarding privacy rights of organizations' members, the GOA continued to fight for "the cause" while the NRA stopped lobbying congress after pushing for and then confirming that the legislation under consideration would not affect organizations as large as their own (yet still be invasive to members of smaller organizations including the much smaller GOA).

    The legislation in question was aimed at the NRA by anti-gun folks. Once the NRA (and a couple of other large-member lobbying organizations like AARP) was excluded, the bill was DRT. So the NRA didn't waste any more time on it.

  • kilroy||

    I joined the NRA for a year way back. Once I started reading their magazine it became obvious that they were the National Republican Association. I started supporting the Second Amendment Foundation instead.

  • ||

    I went the Life Member route when I joined (all the ranges around me at the time required NRA membership), thinking that that was more financially smart. Then I started realizing (partly by reading American Rifleman) that they were mostly concerned with raising money for themselves, and did so by appealing to a very, as you say, "Republican" demographic. Also, their gun reviews are shit; everything is fantastic according to them. And they've annoyed me in other ways over the years.

    But since I'm already fully paid up, and have been for years, I figure I might as well hold on to the membership. The NRA can definitely be annoying but they still do some good things. Being pissy about Paul is not one of them.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I'm in the same boat as you. Lifer who is enraged every time Wayne opens his damn fool mouth about video games. I also belong to GOA and Knife Rights. It pains me that in much of America, morons think this happens, so we must keep scary-looking knives (switchblades, butterflies, stilettos) out of the hands of motorcycle-jacketed hooligans.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    Likewise. I still find the training programs useful (I keep my pistol instructor certs active) but like HM I find Wayne vastly annoying. He and most of his minions do a truly awful job of articulating the progun position, and they are too heavily invested in the GOP.

  • Tejicano||

    Another liferr here. I upgraded to Life membership about 25 years ago.

    Being an NFA and EBR owner I often feel a complete lack of support from the NRA but that doesn't prohibit me from supporting other organizations that are doing a better job. Besides, when people like Chucky Schuemer, and DiFi refer to the NRA, with quavering voices, as something akin to the anri-christ it warms the cockles of my heart to know I am a member.

  • Old Bull Lee||

    While I agree he probably should have been invited, it should be noted that NAGR is nothing but a money-scamming operation.

  • Florida Man||

    Oh shit! KK is going to tune you up!

  • ||

    Bah! Whatevs. I don't give money to NAGR. I just enter their giveaways and call my Congresscreature when they inform me of some egregious new legislation. You're free to delete their solicitation emails.

    (the NRA is actually more of a money-scamming operation in that they're not really aggressive about contacting Congress and they almost never litigate 2A issues. Kind of like the ACLU or Susan G. Komen).

  • Gray Ghost||

    I don't give money to NAGR. I just enter their giveaways and call my Congresscreature when they inform me of some egregious new legislation.

    What she said. Eternal optimism, but some of the gun candy they give away would be neat to own.

    The NRA dislikes Rand because he's not an Establishment Republican and not unthinkingly supportive of law enforcement. Simple as that. I think they feel they can have more influence and grow their organization more if there's either an country-club GOP in the Oval Office, or a Democrat that they can use to scare people for donations.

    Not to mention that if Rand is able to bring his anti-War on Some Drugs policies to fruition, a lot of the reason for the 'Total Surveillance State' goes away. Along with the funding.

    If Congress has less influence and money, then so too do the courtiers that try to influence them.

  • Florida Man||

    Sorry Kristen. I thought you were a member since you have mentioned them before.

  • Dweebston||

    That's NAGA to you, honkey. You never say it with the R.

  • John||

    The NRA is a valuable tool to be used towards the end of protecting our 2nd Amendment rights. It is not an end in itself. I don't care what the NRA thinks of Paul or anyone else. I care what candidates think about gun rights and the NRA's opinion is one factor in determining that. If the NRA doesn't like Paul even though he is very pro 2nd Amendment? So what?

  • Florida Man||

    The NRA is still a business too. If they think inviting Paul would offend their readers it is the right decision not to invite him. I think they are wrong, but that's why it is a judgement call.

  • John||

    Sure. I am just not sure why he would do that. Regardless, them not inviting him is not a big deal to me.

  • Florida Man||

    I'm guessing their issue with Paul is some of the things he has said about the disparate impact on blacks in the WOD. NRA is really pro cop.

  • Bill Dalasio||

    My guess is that he's supported other gun rights organizations.

    My guess is that the NRA is very interested in maintaining its place as the "head of the gun lobby". And politicians showing up to support their competitors doesn't advance that goal. And for that, they're happy to try to discredit him (pretty pettily, at that).

  • Bill Dalasio||

    If they think inviting Paul would offend their readers it is the right decision not to invite him.

    Unless he were gay. Then they would totally have to invite him.

    /Judge Nap

  • Almanian!||

    * points at pink 1911 in catalog *

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    It's not about the readers of the magazine, it's those 5MM members.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    If the NRA doesn't like Paul even though he is very pro 2nd Amendment? So what?

    So, I'm not going to give my money to an organization that blindly supports the republican establishment. That's so what.

  • hamilton||

    other, stronger groups like the ... National Association for Gun Rights

    yeah, the NRA hates those NAGR's.

  • LynchPin1477||

    Well done, sir.

  • Dweebston||

    Should have read downthread before I posted.

  • ||

    So, Rand has been officially running for a few days and he has already pissed off the NRA, neocons, republican hawks, the DNC and journalists? I hope he keeps this up.

  • ||

    I just saw the Chapman article, so let's add dirty libertarians to the list.

  • John||

    He seems to be making the right enemies and for the right reasons. The NRA seems to be butt hurt over him not kissing their asses enough, as if that should matter to anyone.

  • Ted S.||

    Aren't the NRA cop-fellators?

  • Dweebston||

    Maybe. They helped find Shaneen Allen's defense, though.

  • Dweebston||

    ^fund

  • ||

    The NRA's relationship with the police is complicated. They used to have an excellent relationship with the police. But then in the 80s the idiotic furor over "cop killer bullets" (teflon coated) blew up, and the NRA actually took the principled stance that this fear was absurd and that banning types of bullets and shit was stupid. Well, that really angered the cops and that soured their relationship with the NRA for a long time. The NRA has worked some to get it back, but the very attitude of the cops at this point that they're basically a different species doesn't help.

  • ||

    cops are poorly trained, fat gorillas?

  • ||

    Yes. Well, some kind of ape, I suppose. Gorillas in the wild are actually very calm and mellow (partly because there's almost nothing that can challenge them). It's chimps that are violent as hell.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I suppose. Gorillas in the wild are actually very calm and mellow (partly because there's almost nothing that can challenge them).

    If only we could take a foreign policy lesson from gorillas...

  • Scarecrow Repair||

    Are you calling Obama a chimp?

    RACIST!!!!!!!!!!

  • GILMORE||

    Apparently neither of you have taken your "gorilla" theory and applied it to a jungle where there are *multiple gorillas competing* for the same bananas, gorilla-pussy, whatever

  • Almanian!||

    Look at GILMORE aping Uncle Miltie here...

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Apparently neither of you have taken your "gorilla" theory and applied it to a jungle where there are *multiple gorillas competing* for the same bananas, gorilla-pussy, whatever

    Except, the other gorillas are MaGilla and the US is Kong.

  • ||

    To me the NRA jumped the shark when Charlton Heston read Bodycount lyrics out loud.

  • Mongo||

    Anyone hear the latest Body Count hilarious rap from 2014? They cover 'Institutionalized' by Suicidal Tendencies but with a current take on passwords, call-centers in India and healthy eating!

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    The NRA generally has a very good relationship with rank-and-file cops, it is the politicized administrative "suits" that are not in their favor (nor is the NRA in theirs), as most of the Chiefs have become nothing more than tools of the local political machines - PE Union bosses with shields, so to speak.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    They also called the federal agents "jack booted thugs" after Ruby Ridge which caused a PR mess and prompted Bush Sr to publicly resign his life membership.

    The NRA now has their own LEO/military magazine/membership Life of Duty.

  • R C Dean||

    Pretty much, yeah.

  • widget||

    Gun rights, as a Second Amendment principle, jumped the shark a while back. You can still fight back against a criminal or a wild-eyed cop with your gun, but there is no chance you will affect any political change by doing so.

    People on the right always swing late to the pitch, to channel George Will for a moment. If you want to be able to hit the ball down the third base line, or to left field, it's about drones now. Who makes them other than Raytheon?, How can I buy one? How much does it cost? Should it be armed? What should we do with men who use drones for peeping tom gratification? Can I fly my garage drone over the Utah Data Center?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

  • John Thacker||

    Someone should ask Grover Norquist about this. (Knowing that he has his own campaign against him being an NRA board member.)

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Well, yes, I would think Norquist's role as Amir-al-Muminin al-Amriki would present a conflict of interest.

  • widget||

    Norquist smokes the mass-immigration-elect-a-new-people pipe and sets himself at ease with a sip of tea. If there's a more vile person on the planet let me know.

  • John Thacker||

    People who refer to immigration in such a manner as you are more vile.

  • widget||

    I am OK, with some practical reservations, with balls-to-wall mass immigration and emigration if you are wondering. That is, the free flow of people from place to another at their whim. But you darned well know that is not the way thing are.

  • jay_dubya||

    so why badmouth Norquist for ostensibly stating your own views on the issue?

  • scawarren||

    The NRA are sellouts . GOA all the way because they don't compromise !

  • ||

    Paul just did a promo video for NAGR. I'm glad he goes with groups that are uncompromising on 2A issues, as opposed to the NRA that likes to "play ball" with politicians.

  • ||

    You should see the way this convention is driving the liberals in Nashville insane.

    It's a shame Rand wasn't invited because it would have probably caused all of them to come down with the vapors.

  • Almanian!||

    YEah - missed it by a week. We were in Nashville last week.

  • Almanian!||

    I FINALLY joined the NRA three years ago just because Obama's such a dick, and to piss off my proggie friends by proudly putting a sticker on every window in my Jeep.

    I continue to do so for the same reasons. Otherwise, theyre' pretty useless to me. But for $25/year to piss off everyone like that? TOTALLY a cheap date.

    And I give to a couple Michigan gun owner groups that I think actually do some good.

    PS Pro Tip - wanna see your proggie friends REALLY squeel? Buy them an NRA membership for their birthday or Christmas - other holiday of your choice. Most fun I've had in a long time - again, totally worth $25.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Buy them an NRA membership for their birthday or Christmas

    You are truly evil. I respect that.

  • BambiB||

    Get them a GOA Membership.

    To left winger panty-wringers, the GOA is like everyone in the NRA went out and actually bought bazookas and machine-guns. Plus, they're just a lot less namby-pamby when it comes to politics.

    That, or SAF.

    NRA is like the Microsoft of gun rights... out of date, not nearly as competent as their competition - but still widely referenced by the people who don't know any better.

  • Enough About Palin||

    "The interesting thing is that there's probably no greater advocate for the Second Amendment in Congress than myself," Paul said today. "To not be invited, probably, will serve more to cast aspersions on their group than it would on me. Because my record's pretty clear. It probably looks a little bit petty for them not to invite a major candidate because I raised money for other Second Amendment groups. anyone who'd hire a vapid, shitty writer like me."

  • jay_dubya||

    if its that awful why are you here?

  • briannnnn||

    This Warty guy really doesn't like me. I had no idea you could have such a profound effect on someone through a webpage comment section!

  • Enough About Palin||

    Your comment seems rather tauntingesque, moron.

  • SugarFree||

    Maybe someone made fun of his taunt once and now he's all self-conscious about it.

  • Paul.||

    I can see the progressive slate-sphere erupting: "Sen Paul too radical for NRA!"

  • Florida Man||

    That would be tremendously helpful for Paul. There are a lot of pro-gun democrats.

  • Rebel Scum||

    I'm more of a GOA guy, myself.

  • Mainer2||

    The NRA worked against Alan Gura pursuing the Heller case.

    When Gura prevailed, the NRA ran an article about the great victory without mentioning Gura at all. They made it sound like they had been leading the charge when the opposite was true.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    Those that wrap themselves in the NOT NRA blanket invariably describe themselves as a "no bigger defender" partisan.
    So he has an "A" rating.....so does Harry Reid, and he wasn't invited either.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Harry Reid isn't a Republican running for president.

  • Shootist||

    I've been a life member of NRA since the mid 70s. I've been mad at the NRA since the Neil Knox debacle. I guess I'm still mad at the NRA.

  • Alan@.4||

    Some years back, I personally met Mr.Knox at a lecture/discussion in Pittsburgh. We remembered each other, He remembered me from my Letters to Editor of Gun Week, as it was then known, I remembering him as the editor. He always struck me as a thoughtful, reasonable, person.

  • Alan@.4||

    As I mentioned earlier, I'm also an NRA "Lifer",have been, strangely enough, since the 1970's, like yourself. In any event, you might take the small trouble to read the following, it turns out to be overly long for posting here. The title of the article is as follows. America's largest gun control organization

    by Vin Suprynowicz

    He writes a weekly piece for one of the Las Vegas newspapers, and has also appeared in, as memory serves, Shotgun News. He's written a couple of books too I believe.

  • Alan@.4||

    Seems to me, and I'm a Life Member of NRA, that they simply want to run the entire show. Anyone who stands in the way of NRA's achieving that laudable???? goal gets ignored or perhaps run over. If one reads the history of the NRA, one comes up with what might be some surprising facts, and historical items. In my unvarnished view, re The Gun Control Act of 1968, the NRA bowed much to easily. Their role in enactment of the National Firearms Act of 1934, from what I understand, doesn't look all that great either, re the NRA supposedly being a pro gun rights organization. Possibly I look at things in an overly simplistic manner though I've always wondered as to the "complications" some insist in finding or do they create, for own purposes, the afore mentioned complications. Might the little bit of Russian ancestry I have lead me to look on the dark side, perhaps, I'm not certain.

  • BambiB||

    Oh Kee-rist! Fucking NRA is doing it again. When are they going to learn that failure to open the door to all top-rated candidates just makes them look stupid?

  • BambiB||

    Why don't all you NRA Life Members register your discontent with the NRA?

    I am.

    And I did.

  • jb4479||

    This is a little late on this thread, but apparently the NRA didn't actually decide to invite any of the candidates. All of the candidates had their offices contact the NRA and asked for invites. Rand Paul did not because of his campaign launch.

    Fact checking, Doherty, it's not that hard.

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