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Russia and the Western Far Right: Tango Noir, by Anton Shekhovtsov, Routledge, 262 pages, $35.95

RoutledgeRoutledgeA central accusation in the uproar over "Russian influence" holds that Moscow is covertly in cahoots with the American alt-right, supplying the movement with fake news, memes, and social media talking points. The evidence for this tends to be more speculative than solid, but the general question of post-Soviet Russia's cooperation with Western nationalist and racialist groups is certainly salient.

Such links are at the heart of Anton Shekhovtsov's new study, Russia and the Western Far Right: Tango Noir. Shekhovtsov is a fellow at the Institute for Human Sciences in Vienna, and his book is exhaustively detailed in its description of Russian relations with the European far right. What impact this may have had on the American right comes up only in the book's final three paragraphs, which mostly raise questions and provide no answers.

Shekhovtsov argues that a range of reactionary groups, largely in Europe, see Putin "as an ally in their struggle against Western liberal democracy and multiculturalism." Moscow, in turn, uses them both "to consolidate the authoritarian kleptocratic regime at home" and "to counteract the growing isolation of Russia in the Europeanised world." And in some cases, the author argues, Russia wants "to disrupt the liberal-democratic consensus in Western societies and, thus, destabilize them."

Shekhovtsov begins his survey with an early precedent. In the 1920s, the Soviet Union explored possible cooperation with the Western far right. While this never amounted to much, it did coincide with the emergence in Weimar Germany of an ideology of "National Bolshevism" among fringe-left German nationalists. This tendency saw a later revival of sorts among Russian far-right groupuscules in the 1990s.

During the Cold War, the Soviets sometimes found it useful to provide covert support to far-right actors as a means to stir up trouble for Western liberal democracies. For example, Soviet and East German intelligence agencies funneled funds to former Nazis and other radical rightists in West Germany because they were proponents of German neutrality. One such client was Rudolf Steidl, who received 2,363,000 Deutschmarks during 1951–1954 to publish the Deutsche National-Zeitung propaganda newspaper.

Another campaign, in 1959–1960, involved KGB agents in West Germany who went on a spree "painting swastikas and anti-Semitic slogans on synagogues, tombstones, and Jewish-owned shops." The intent was to give a black eye to West Germany and "produce a snowball effect where troublemakers would carry out anti-Semitic activities on their own." As Shekhovtsov notes, the operation "helped East Germany legitimise itself as a peace loving, antifascist state" by comparison.

In Austria in the early '50s, while the Soviets and the Western forces both occupied sectors in Vienna, the Soviets helped support the National League, a far-right movement partly composed of former Nazis. Its newspaper, Österreichische National-Zeitung, also promoted neutralism.

You might think such alliances would be ideologically taboo, but counterintelligence can make for strange bedfellows. This cuts both ways, as when the CIA supported Islamist militias fighting the USSR in Afghanistan in the '80s. As the venerable aphorism goes, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"—at least until the blowback hits.

This does not mean that Russian contacts with Western far-right groups and individuals have always been part of a coherent, top-down governmental strategy. Shekhovtsov notes that initial contacts in the Yeltsin era were largely between far-right leaders of small Russian political parties and their counterparts in Western Europe.

Thus, Aleksandr Dugin, while a leading Russian intellectual proponent of Eurasianism in the 1990s, met Alain de Benoist and Robert Steuckers, two significant theorists of the French and Belgian New Right, respectively. Dugin invited them to participate in a panel discussion held in the office of a far-right Russian newspaper.

Similarly, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a leader of the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia—despite its name, a far-right group—met with Jean-Marie Le Pen, founder of the French National Front, and with "multi-millionaire media czar" Gerhard Frey, founder of the German People's Union. In this instance, support flowed from West to East, in the form of financial support from Frey and donations of some computers and a fax machine from the National Front.

Sergey Glazyev, a member of the Russian Duma, forged links with Lyndon LaRouche, inviting the well-known American crank to disseminate his conspiracy theories to an audience in Moscow. (LaRouche's Schiller Institute already had a Russian branch, so this was not purely Glazyev's initiative.)

It may be hard to remember now, but many Western politicians and analysts initially saw Putin as a reformer who could normalize Russia's economy. And some reform did occur. But in due course, national leadership was reconcentrated among the siloviki—that is, members of the various intelligence and security agencies. Their presence in the Russian ruling elite rose from 17 percent under Boris Yeltsin to 31 percent under Putin as of 2008.

Shekhovtsov's book portrays Russia's putative democracy as a Potemkin village going through the formalities of elections, a parliament, mass media, and a civil society, all of which have been hollowed out by the siloviki's permanent hold on power. (You could even call them a "deep state.") Opponents have been eliminated or defanged, while Putin has appealed to Russian nationalism and conservative Orthodox culture and traditions in rallying popular support for his regime.

Stung by the "color revolutions" in some former Soviet republics—revolts he attributed to Western interference—Putin felt the need to counter poll watchers from the European Union (who commonly pointed out irregularities in elections and referendums in former Soviet states) with sympathetic poll watchers drawn from the European far right. The ground for such collaboration was laid when Moscow sought out Western groups who shared a skepticism of the European Union and an opposition to NATO.

If Putin seemed uninterested in the Western far right during his first term as president (2001–04), this began to change in the latter half of the decade, as he felt increasingly isolated from mainstream Western respect. The underlying drive, Shekhovtsov argues, is Putin's determination to maintain power. He'll pursue pragmatic alliances with mainstream European centrist parties if they're willing, and go with far-right factions when they seem like the best bet. If that means flirting with François Fillon's center-right party in France, so be it. If that attempt fails, Russian gestures toward the French National Front will be the next best choice. Russia can roll with the punches and side with whichever political camp might be ahead in the polls. Self-preservation comes before ideology.

Much of Russia and the Western Far Right is taken up with identifying and tracing Russia's interaction with Western rightists. But it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the latter are almost all marginal figures trying to leverage these dealings to burnish their own reputations. The book's cover photo shows Marine Le Pen of the French National Front shaking hands with Putin, but very few on the far right make it that far. More commonly, fringe players, such as André Chanclu, a French far-right activist and founder of the France-Russia Collective, are invited to Russian think-tank symposiums and given photo ops with second- or third-level bureaucrats. Their egos are stroked, a bit of funding may flow their way, but it's all rather small potatoes.

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  • JoeBlow123||

    "Another campaign, in 1959–1960, involved KGB agents in West Germany who went on a spree "painting swastikas and anti-Semitic slogans on synagogues, tombstones, and Jewish-owned shops." The intent was to give a black eye to West Germany and "produce a snowball effect where troublemakers would carry out anti-Semitic activities on their own." As Shekhovtsov notes, the operation "helped East Germany legitimise itself as a peace loving, antifascist state" by comparison."

    Hilarious.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    It probably fooled a lot of people into thinking there were more neo-Nazis in West Germany than in reality; but the only people who would have been fooled into thinking East Germany had none were the same fools who thought Communists were benevolent in the first place.

    My father subscribed to some Soviet magazine in the 1960s, Soviet Life or such. A Soviet version of the American Life. Full of pictures of Soviets at work, at beaches, cooking and eating dinner, etc. I remember two things: their houses, cars, offices, etc were pretty dumpy compared to American counterparts; and I knew, even as a pre-teen, that there was something fishy about it. It just had that propaganda smell, no different than, say, the NASA bulletins we received on their satellites and pre-Apollo lunar missions, or even stories in the American Life. I knew they were only telling me one side of the story, and unlike real news stories, the stories were so mundane that it made me wonder why they thought they needed to hide something.

  • JoeBlow123||

    I wonder what the headlines would be today if this happened:

    "AFD Channels Nazi Past"
    "Nazism on the Rise in Germany"
    "Immigrant Backlash Sparks Neo-Nazi Resurgence"

    The leftist stooges when have as intelligentsia and media would swallow this just like they swallowed the Soviet lies in the past.

  • Mark22||

    It probably fooled a lot of people into thinking there were more neo-Nazis in West Germany than in reality; but the only people who would have been fooled into thinking East Germany had none were the same fools who thought Communists were benevolent in the first place.

    There probably were few neo-Nazis in East Germany since Marxism is ideologically so close to Nazism anyway, including its anti-Semitism.

  • Echospinner||

    One of my favorite quotes from PJ O'Rourke

    "In the end we beat them with Levi 501 jeans. Seventy-two years of Communist indoctrination and propaganda was drowned out by a three-ounce Sony Walkman. A huge totalitarian system . . . has been brought to its knees because nobody wants to wear Bulgarian shoes. . . . Now they're lunch, and we're number one on the planet."

  • Michael Hihn||

    We know the Russians had no influence on the Alt-Right because none of them shook hands with Putin. Okay, makes sense. But why would they need Putin himself, when they had Trump to defend their brutal assaults in Charlottesvile, with perhaps his most psychopathic lies yet, as so well proven by the videos?

  • Mark22||

    Why did we need Hitler and Stalin when we have Michael Hihn?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Since you asked...

    Now Trump's totally psychopathic lie about Charlottesvile, sucking up to white supremacists. Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs. He is one sick fuck. UNDENIABLE proof

    The initial assault, Charlottesvile-- Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
    "Alt-Left" standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
    Alt-Right Facsists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
    Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence
    Shame on Trump and the party who defends him
    Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is ... treason

    These are Nazis, Racists and Jew-Haters. Ivanka and Jerod are Jewish.
    Trump threw his own daughter under a bus, playing to the very worst in his base SHAMEFUL.

    Anything else you'd like proof of?

  • Don't look at me.||

    You should try to get more emotion and anger into your posts. I mean really get the blood pressure up and hold it there as long as you can. Feel the hate flow through you.

  • Dick Puller, Attorney at Law||

    Keep poking him. He's bound to have another stroke if we get him wound up enough.

  • Sevo||

    That post, however, didn't have the 'pasted up ransom note' flavor of almost all of Mike's idiocy; should we be worried?
    Did he lose his in-home care?

  • Michael Hihn||

    OBEDIENT TRUMPTARDS THROUGH HISSY FITS AT ABSOLUTE PROOF TRUMP IS A PSYCHO LIAR ... DEFENDING RACSISTS AND JEW-HATERS .... BECAUSE EVEN HE SAYS THEY'D DEFEND HIM FROM EVEN MURDER.

    NO MORALS.
    NO CONSCIENCES.
    PERSONAL ATTACKS.
    BULLIES.

    Puppets dancing on a string.

    (sneer)

  • Michael Hihn||

    OBEDIENT TRUMPTARDS THROUGH HISSY FITS AT ABSOLUTE PROOF TRUMP IS A PSYCHO LIAR ... DEFENDING RACSISTS AND JEW-HATERS .... BECAUSE EVEN HE SAYS THEY'D DEFEND HIM FROM EVEN MURDER.

    NO MORALS.
    NO CONSCIENCES.
    PERSONAL ATTACKS.
    BULLIES.

    Puppets dancing on a string.

    (sneer)

  • Michael Hihn||

    OBEDIENT TRUMPTARDS THROUGH HISSY FITS AT ABSOLUTE PROOF TRUMP IS A PSYCHO LIAR ... DEFENDING RACSISTS AND JEW-HATERS .... BECAUSE EVEN HE SAYS THEY'D DEFEND HIM FROM EVEN MURDER.

    NO MORALS.
    NO CONSCIENCES.
    PERSONAL ATTACKS.
    BULLIES.

    Puppets dancing on a string.

    (sneer)

  • Fancylad||

    There we go. All-caps, bolded text and conspiratorial.
    Pure Hihn.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Self-defense, thug

  • damikesc||

    Both sides were to blame.

    Antifa is no better than white nationalists.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Loyal Trumpster denies UNDENIABLE proof

    Both sides were to blame.
    Antifa is no better than white nationalists.

    Also suckered on Antifa

    One more time for late-comeers

    Now Trump's totally psychopathic lie about Charlottesvile, sucking up to white supremacists. Bad enough that he said both sides were to blame. But he also went bat-shit crazy, saying the counter-protesters charged the nazis, swinging clubs. He is one sick fuck. UNDENIABLE proof

    The initial assault, Charlottesvile-- Nazis and white supremacists attacking peaceful protesters with clubs
    "Alt-Left" standing peacefully, no visible clubs or bats.
    Alt-Right Facsists/Racists crash into them en masse, swinging clubs.
    Fascists are carrying the same shields as cops in riot gear. The motherfuckers CAME for violence

    Shame on Trump and the party who defends him
    Giving aid and comfort to the enemy is ... treason

    These are Nazis, Racists and Jew-Haters. Ivanka and Jerod are Jewish.
    Trump threw his own daughter under a bus, playing to the very worst in his base SHAMEFUL.

  • Z565||

    This article neglected to mention Carter Page:

    ".....Over time, Page became increasingly critical of United States foreign policy towards Russia, and more supportive of Putin, with the United States official describing Page as "a brazen apologist for anything Moscow did". Page is frequently quoted by Russian state television, where he is presented as a "famous American economist". In 2013, Russian intelligence operatives attempted to recruit Page and one described him as enthusiastic about business opportunities in Russia but an "idiot". News accounts in 2017 indicated that because of these ties to Russia Page had been a subject of a warrant pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in 2014, at least 2 years earlier than was indicated in the stories concerning his role in the 2016 presidential campaign of Donald Trump.

  • Sevo||

    WIH is the point?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Among otthe rthings ... he had pleaded GUILTY to LYING about Russian contacts during the campaign.
    Oh wait, Trump said there was NO contacr with Russians ... until his own son made a fool out of him. Now twice,

  • Mark22||

    The evidence for this tends to be more speculative than solid, but the general question of post-Soviet Russia's cooperation with Western nationalist and racialist groups is certainly salient.

    It's salient, but you misinterpret it. Russia doesn't "help" those groups in hopes of them succeeding, Russia "helps" those groups for the same reason it helped the civil rights movement, unions, and other groups: it likes to sow chaos and dissent in other countries. And the US likes to use the same means for creating chaos in other countries; the CIA has turned democracies into dictatorships that way.

    That's also been Russia's goal in every election: to get an unpopular, weak president elected; to delegitimize the president; and to tie up the US government in knots of collusion and corruption allegations. For the 2016 election, they may have hacked and released Hillary's e-mails, but the massive misconduct of the Obama administration, the DNC, and the FBI, plus Trump's ineptness in dealing with the political fallout made this an even bigger success for Russia.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Some countries inspire hope and a desire to become more wealthy. The USA sometimes is that and sometimes not.

    Countries like Russia, Cuba, and North Korea try and bring other countries down to their lower level. They can't move up based on their repressive regimes and they know it.

  • Mark22||

    My point is pretty simple: countries propagandize beyond their borders all the time and that's OK. Furthermore, for many decades, the evident direct beneficiaries of Russia's propaganda in the West were leftists, so it is rather hypocritical for leftists to get all pushed out of shape because Russia may have bought some ads for white supremacists.

    Now, what's your point, because I sure as hell didn't see one in your response.

  • Michael Hihn||

    You win this week's trophy for MASSIVE whataboutism.

    No problem for Trump, because Russia interfered with leftist ... in the past.
    Remember when he RIDICULED Obama for blaming Bush ... blamed Obama for golfing (LESS than Trump!)

    Left - Right = Zero

  • Mark22||

    You win this week's trophy for MASSIVE whataboutism.

    No "whataboutism" at all; I'm simply a staunch defender of the 1A, and the 1A includes the right of Americans to hear Russian propaganda about America. Healthy democracies can deal with that.

    Of course, a totalitarian like you wouldn't understand any of that.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    China to buy 'significantly' more US goods and services after trade talks
    Another one on the Trump done good column
    Uh-oh, who would have thought Trump could nudge China into better free trade by negotiating from a position of strength?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Umm, the Trump who REVERSED himself after China made a $500 million loan to a project that will enrich Trump personallty? "Strength" at personal extortion, on top of his massive personal tax cut, and over a dozen other instances of self-enriching graft?

    He's hasn't drained the swamp. He's bottled it and selling it under his brand! Will it be like his other actual businesses, a baker's dozen, all of which failed, four of which as bankruptcies? Or the $25 million he paid to settle fraud by Trump University?

    He did say his base would lie to defend him from murder, in broad daylight, with witnesses. If they accept being so publicly insulted and degraded, the rest is easy for them

    Left - Right = Zero

  • Mark22||

    Hihn = neo-Marxist authoritarian

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hihn = neo-Marxist authoritarian

    Trumptard launches unprovoked personal attack
    ... says his VICTIM is authoritarian
    ... and is PROVEN full of shit here

    Almost like getting a Christmas present!

  • Mark22||

    Almost like getting a Christmas present!

    When was the last time you actually got a Christmas present? (No, a key ring from your electric company doesn't count.)

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    For the love of God, just ignore him. eHe'll get tired of talking in a vacuum.

  • Michael Hihn||

    WHO ELSE SAYS TRUMP TROLLS ARE FULL OF SHIT?
    THOSE GODDAMN LEFTIES AT .... NATIONAL REVIEW (smirk)

    China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    The Chinese government is extending a $500 million loan to a state-owned construction company to build an Indonesian theme park that will feature a Trump-branded golf course and hotels.

    The project will include a number of Trump-branded hotels, a golf course, and a residence ... internal documents obtained by Agency France-Presse show Trump's sons have been directly involved in its planning. .... the project raises questions about the extent to which the Trump organization is dependent on Beijing amid contentious trade negotiations with the U.S.

    "Even if this deal is completely and entirely above board, it simply furthers the perception of impropriety" surrounding Trump's business dealings, Christopher Balding, an economics professor at Shenzhen's HSBC Business School, told AFP. "Especially with the potential trade war, this is not a good look…"

    Did they ALSO ignore Trump's reversal because CHINA WOULD LOSE TOO MANY JOBS?
    Did YOU support Trump so he can save jobs in ... CHINA?
    (vomit)

  • Mark22||

    We tried that, it didn't work.

  • Michael Hihn||

    CAUGHT RED-HANDED ,,,, ABSOLUTE PROOF ... Mark22 DENIES..
    As dishonest as Trump?

  • Sevo||

    "Umm, the Trump who REVERSED himself after China made a $500 million loan to a project that will enrich Trump personallty?"

    Umm, fucking ignoramus who has been asked for a cite for your claim?
    Can we assume this is one more lie, fucking ignoramus?

  • Tony||

    Try getting out of the fucking rightwing bubble for an hour. Just, like, read what normal journalism is saying for like one article. Jesus Christ you people are tiresome. All the smug certainty that comes with knowing exactly what's been spoonfed to you.

  • Nardz||

    Tiny, you're the best

  • Nardz||

    *Tony

  • Michael Hihn||

    WHO ELSE SAYS SEVO IS A FULL-OF-SHIT TRUMP PUPPET?

    THOSE GODDAMN LEFTIES AT .... NATIONAL REVIEW (smirk)

    China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    The Chinese government is extending a $500 million loan to a state-owned construction company to build an Indonesian theme park that will feature a Trump-branded golf course and hotels.

    The project will include a number of Trump-branded hotels, a golf course, and a residence ... internal documents obtained by Agency France-Presse show Trump's sons have been directly involved in its planning. .... the project raises questions about the extent to which the Trump organization is dependent on Beijing amid contentious trade negotiations with the U.S.

    "Even if this deal is completely and entirely above board, it simply furthers the perception of impropriety" surrounding Trump's business dealings, Christopher Balding, an economics professor at Shenzhen's HSBC Business School, told AFP. "Especially with the potential trade war, this is not a good look…"

    Did Sevo ALSO ignore Trump's reversal because CHINA WOULD LOSE TOO MANY JOBS?

    Hey Sevo, YOU support Trump so he can save jobs in ... CHINA? (uncontrolled vomiting)

  • Michael Hihn||

    MORE PROOF ... SEVO A TRAITOR ... DEFENDS TRUMP OF TREASON (not just murder)

    Trump's own TWEET

    President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast. Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!
    9:01 AM - May 13, 2018

    FUCKS OUR JOBS TO LINE HIS OWN POCKET ... AGAIN ... AND AGAIN .... AND AGAIN.

    Puppets dancing on a string.

    Left - Right = Zero

  • JoeBlow123||

    This is shady, I agree. Clinton had her Clinton Foundation, Trump has his towers.

    Disappointing to say the least.

  • Michael Hihn||

    It wasn't Clinton who campaigned on a 60% tax cut ... targeted at HIS small group.
    A billionaire would pay a top income tax rate of .... 15% ..... what's YOUR top rate?
    (On top of his loophole exemption from corporate income taxes!)

  • Sevo||

    "It wasn't Clinton who campaigned on a 60% tax cut ... targeted at HIS small group.
    A billionaire would pay a top income tax rate of .... 15% ..... what's YOUR top rate?
    (On top of his loophole exemption from corporate income taxes!)"

    The politics of envy, written by an ignoramus who normally posts ransom notes.
    It's a good thing you're amusing; makes up for the stupidity.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Sevo gets CRAZIER ,.. ALLOW TRUMP TO PROMOTE A 60% TAX CUT FOR HIMSELF ... OR WE ARE GUILTY OF ... OF WHAT???? .... THE POLITICS OF ENVY!! (says Sevo)
    SEVO PROVEN FULL OF SHIT ...BY FOX NEWS!

    TRUMP'S PROPOSED 60 % TAX CUT FOR HIMSELF … A BILLIONAIRE PAYING 15%
    WHAT'S YOUR TOP TAX RATE?
    Are you lying NOW -- to cover up how badly he SUCKERED you?

    (Trump ran on a 60% tax cut for HIM … a top rate of 15% ... ON TOP OF his 100% loophole on the corporate income tax)

    Lawrence Gibbs, a former IRS commissioner under Ronald Reagan who is now with Miller & Chevalier in Washington, said if this measure becomes law, "you will have scams coming out of the woodwork." .....

    All of these firms are partnerships, S corporations and limited liability companies that "pass through" to their owners a proportional share of income, losses, and other tax items. Currently the top rate on such income is 39.6%, but Mr. Trump's proposal would cut it to 15%.

    Of all pass-through income, more than half is earned by top-bracket taxpayers, according to estimates by the Tax Policy Center in Washington.
    The top brackets begin at $470,700 for married couples filing jointly and $418,400 for singles.,

    EVEN FOX CALLS IT A TAX CUT FOR THE RICH!

    Sevo BAMBOOZLED .... AGAIN ...IT NEVER ENDS FOR TRUMPTARDS!

  • DajjaI||

    The basic strategy is to incite an hysteria over a crisis, such as a rise of communism or nazism or antisemitism or addiction or anything really, that is surely going to spread like a virus through the populace and destroy us all, to use as a pretext for the government to crack down on civil liberties. About a year ago a facebook friend (who was born in Russia and now works at the VA) posted pics of a neo-Nazi rally in Austin, where he just so happened to be vacationing. Well it was just such an obvious Russian op, and I was quickly de-friended for haha'ing it. Now you'd think that people would start to view all such cases with a little more skepticism. But they don't. Why? Because we need them to fan the flames of our own pet ideologies. For example despite many of these neo-Nazi uprisings being less indigenous than we thought, there will still be an antifa blue wave in the next elections to 'protect' us from it.

  • DajjaI||

    Israel does the same thing by fanning the flames of antisemitism in Eastern Europe. For example, Bibi 'King of the Jews' is an open ally of neo-Nazi Orban in Hungary. Why? So they can create antisemitism hysteria and he can cry, "The Jew is not safe in Europe.
    Come to Israel, we'll protect you!" And to create a market for Israel arms and security tech export. And to shore up his political base. And people don't seem to mind, because they are sure that antisemitism is indigenous regardless of the storied Zionist history of inciting it. But yes, Jews are starting to get wise to it, and this creates some pretty funny paradoxes. For example, the Russian propaganda front Redfish published a video about Orban for the purpose of attacking Bibi even though it made Putin (Orban's ally) look pretty bad too. This is the problem with this strategy - blowback is inevitable.

  • Nardz||

    I just love how uncritically this "Russia bad! Putin bad!" narrative is accepted.
    Related: how much foreign "support" is tied up with globalist groups?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Did you also defend Hitler? Pol Pot? Mussolini? Donald Trump?

  • Mark22||

    Did you also defend Hitler? Pol Pot? Mussolini? Michael Hihn?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Stalking cyber-bully also humiliated himself here!

  • Don't look at me.||

    If the veins in you head aren't throbbing, you aren't doing this right. More anger, maybe even rage is needed.

  • Michael Hihn||

    TWICE .... Stalking cyber-bully says absolute proof is ... rage.

    HIS! (smirk)

  • Mark22||

    I'm glad you accept responsibility for making the Libertarian party what it is today.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I'm glad you accept responsibility for making the Libertarian party what it is today.

    BECAUSE I RAN A SINGLE STATE IN 1999 ...
    AND A PARTISAN CAMPAIGN EIGHTEEN YEARS AGO

    OR .... MAYBE ... because Mark22 was PROVEN a psycho
    (also in defense of thuggish aggression)

    Bullies never stop their assaults ... like Trump, their Fuhrer

  • Mark22||

    BECAUSE I RAN A SINGLE STATE IN 1999 ... AND A PARTISAN CAMPAIGN EIGHTEEN YEARS AGO

    So you are admitting then that you really did not accomplish much for libertarianism after all?

  • Nardz||

    I have defended Trump in cases when it's appropriate to defend his actions, as I'm not so much on board with groupthink.

    But we've all seen you defend Hitler and call for the disarmament of minority Americans, so tough for you to take the moral high ground on anything.

    Hihn - 0 = State Supremacist

  • Michael Hihn||

    Did you also defend Hitler? Pol Pot? Mussolini? Donald Trump??

    I have defended Trump in cases when it's appropriate to defend his actions, as I'm not so much on board with groupthink.

    WHOOOOOOOOOSH
    Why did you defend both Putin and Russia .. across the board ,, even over Trump?
    YOUR defense of Putin and Russian is visible on this page

    Your bullshit about me is both shameful and pathetic But typical of your insanity.
    You've been called out as a liar.

    State Supremacist

    Because I defend the Constitution! Goes with your love of Putin and Russian!

    TRY! You CAN make an even bigger ass of yourself!!

  • Sevo||

    "WHOOOOOOOOOSH"

    Fucking ignoramus admits he's too short to get the point.
    Mike, you really ought to quit making as ass of yourself. Get help.

  • Sevo||

    Oh, and I didn't check the link first. Mike again proved his imbecility by linking to a general thread.
    Now, this is the same lying POS who once claimed to be in the IT industry and is incapable of linking to any specific statement he claims.
    Liar?
    Random ignoramus?
    Both?
    I'm going with the last.
    Mike, get help.

  • Michael Hihn||

    WHO ELSE SAYS SEVO IS A FULL-OF-SHIT TRUMP PUPPET?

    THOSE GODDAMN LEFTIES AT .... NATIONAL REVIEW (smirk)

    China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    The Chinese government is extending a $500 million loan to a state-owned construction company to build an Indonesian theme park that will feature a Trump-branded golf course and hotels.

    The project will include a number of Trump-branded hotels, a golf course, and a residence ... internal documents obtained by Agency France-Presse show Trump's sons have been directly involved in its planning. .... the project raises questions about the extent to which the Trump organization is dependent on Beijing amid contentious trade negotiations with the U.S.

    "Even if this deal is completely and entirely above board, it simply furthers the perception of impropriety" surrounding Trump's business dealings, Christopher Balding, an economics professor at Shenzhen's HSBC Business School, told AFP. "Especially with the potential trade war, this is not a good look…"

    Did Sevo ALSO ignore Trump's reversal because CHINA WOULD LOSE TOO MANY JOBS?

    Hey Sevo, YOU support Trump so he can save jobs in ... CHINA? (uncontrolled vomiting)

  • DajjaI||

    Very true and to rephrase Eleanor Holmes Norton, "No one can undermine your democracy without your consent."

  • Juice||

  • Tony||

    Having been Team Hillary, I feel some relief knowing that I was in the only group not taken for sad ignorant dupes by the Russians in 2016.

  • Sevo||

    Tony|5.21.18 @ 12:47AM|#
    "Having been Team Hillary, I feel some relief knowing that I was in the only group not taken for sad ignorant dupes by the Russians in 2016."

    Perhaps; your fantasies are your concern.
    You and your cohorts *were* taken as sad ignoramuses by those who saw the hag (and you) as deserved losers, loser.
    BTW, the claim regarding the Russkis is still lacking any sort of cite, which, given your imbecility, is not hard to understand.
    Hint: There are not Russki monsters under your bed, you fucking idiot

  • Tony||

    We shall see shan't we?

    Not that I understand why you'd bother defending this Muppet mafioso. The rightwing bubble must leave your head spinning. You can't even settle down long enough to ask yourself what the point of defending him is.

  • Michael Hihn||

    WHO ELSE SAYS SEVO IS FULL-OF-SHIT ON RUSSIA?
    THOSE DAMN LEFTIES AT .... NATIONAL REVIEW (smirk)

    China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia

    The Chinese government is extending a $500 million loan to a state-owned construction company to build an Indonesian theme park that will feature a Trump-branded golf course and hotels.

    The project will include a number of Trump-branded hotels, a golf course, and a residence ... internal documents obtained by Agency France-Presse show Trump's sons have been directly involved in its planning. .... the project raises questions about the extent to which the Trump organization is dependent on Beijing amid contentious trade negotiations with the U.S.

    "Even if this deal is completely and entirely above board, it simply furthers the perception of impropriety" surrounding Trump's business dealings, Christopher Balding, an economics professor at Shenzhen's HSBC Business School, told AFP. "Especially with the potential trade war, this is not a good look…"

    Did Sevo ALSO ignore Trump's reversal because CHINA WOULD LOSE TOO MANY JOBS?
    Hey Sevo, YOU support Trump so he can save jobs in ... CHINA? (uncontrolled vomiting)

  • Sevo||

    "(uncontrolled vomiting)"

    That's a good description of your posts!

  • Michael Hihn||

    That's a good description of your posts!

    Sevo .... . PROVEN full of shit by ... NATIONAL REVIEW ..... CONTINUES BULLYING!

    Anyone surprised?

    Authoritarian Right = Authoritarian Left

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Common guys, next you will expect me to believe that events in Eurovision where influenced my a meme from an an American Jew with a Russian-American Jewish ex-wife just because Israel happens to have many Russian speaking Jewish residents.

    In related news, the Iraqi election results are in. The candidates who want sovereignty came in first, followed by the pro-Iran and then pro-American candidates.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    10,000 Moroccans protest Gazan deaths and the USA embassy move. It is normal for people in one country to try to influence events in another country. Governments should respect the autonomy of other nations, and private citizens can express themselves or fund groups to support any positions.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    Those Moroccans wouldn't know Tel Aviv from Telemundo. They are useful idiots who will protest whatever their masters tell them to protest.

  • Michael Hihn||

    They're victims of aggression.

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