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Trump Launches a Suicidal War on His Own Party

Instead of striving to ingratiate himself with those who hold his fate in their hands, the president seems determined to antagonize them.

Shawn T Moore/ZUMA Press/NewscomShawn T Moore/ZUMA Press/NewscomDuring the presidential campaign, Donald Trump often told the story of the kind woman who found a half-frozen snake and took it in and nursed it back to health—only to be repaid with a cruel bite. What Republicans didn't know is that in this story, they're the woman and Trump is the reptile.

With his approval rating sinking, Trump has decided his problem is that he has too many allies. So he set out to rid of himself of an important one: Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell.

The taciturn Kentuckian managed to inspire rage by suggesting that, being new to Washington, Trump had "excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process." The president responded by tweeting angrily, "Can you believe that Mitch McConnell, who has screamed Repeal & Replace for 7 years, couldn't get it done. Must Repeal & Replace ObamaCare!"

As if that weren't enough, Trump followed up in an interview by indicating he might favor McConnell's resignation as Republican leader if he couldn't get Trump's agenda enacted.

McConnell looks as worried as a poker player holding four aces. He is accountable only to the voters back home, who elected him to his sixth term by a 15-point margin in 2014, and to Senate Republicans, who installed him as their leader 10 years ago and appear to be perfectly content with him.

Upon reading Trump's tweets, Senate Democratic leader Charles Schumer and House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, we can assume, immediately fell to their knees to rejoice at this sudden windfall.

As commanders of an outnumbered force, their best hope is that their adversaries will devour themselves, and Trump is doing his best to make their wish come true. He has proved himself the supreme master of the unforced error.

There are many things Trump does not seem to comprehend about the presidency. One is that on a wide range of important issues, he can't do much without the help of Congress. Another is that the legislative branch is equal to the executive branch, not subordinate.

He also fails to grasp that he has no more of a popular mandate than every single member of Congress, none of whom came in second in the popular vote. He didn't install any of them. The voters did. Every representative and senator knows—far better than Trump does—what he or she needs to do to win re-election.

Most of them were in office long before he arrived and will be there after he's gone. They don't owe him and don't fear him.

A president, of course, can sometimes compel even unfriendly members of Congress to going along with his legislative agenda. In 1981, Republican Ronald Reagan got his signature tax cut approved even though his party was in the House minority. No fewer than 48 Democrats (and all but one Republican) felt obliged to support it. In the Senate, only 10 Democrats dared to vote no.

But at the time, Reagan had an approval rating of 55 percent. Having been a two-term governor of California, he also had some knowledge of how to work with lawmakers. Trump, by contrast, boasts an approval rating of 38 percent and a bottomless ignorance of the legislative process.

It didn't occur to him that if an unpopular president wants anything passed, he needs to offer ideas that are practical and politically salable (see: Reagan tax cut). Trump was unable to get Congress to vote for the repeal and replacement of Obamacare partly because he didn't know anything about policy details and therefore was ill-suited to negotiate with people who do.

He was also handicapped, as congressional Republicans were, by the unexpected surge of public sentiment for the status quo. Getting any major change through Congress demands careful craftsmanship and shrewd compromises. Neither requirement played to Trump's strengths.

His missteps go beyond consigning himself to legislative impotence. They also put his presidency in jeopardy.

A president under investigation by a special counsel has to consider the prospect of impeachment. All Trump has to do to avoid it is keep Republicans aligned with him. But instead of striving to ingratiate himself with those who hold his fate in their hands, he seems determined to antagonize them.

Someone might want to tell Trump the story of the dying sinner whose priest asked if he was prepared to renounce Satan. The man replied, "This is no time to be making new enemies."

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  • loveconstitution1789||

    TDS much Chapman?

    Suddenly Congressmen are the good guys in this fairy tale? Nope. Congress is a cesspool of corruption and Congressmen don't like Trump. That should tell you Trump is doing something that corrupt politicians don't want- therefore it's probably good for Americans.

    Sessions and foreign interventions are the only presidential actions that I don't like what Trump has done. The rest of it is clearly some good stuff since lefties like you, Chapman, are freaking out.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Do you really think Trump is scared of impeachment, so he will cave to corrupt Congressmen not repealing ObamaCare and simplifying the tax code?

    I would bet that Trump is fine with doing what he can to dismantle as much of the federal government as he can. If he does not get re-elected or Congressmen try and impeach him, he tried. Impeachment would probably result in civil war, as some people would see their elected president as a target by corrupt Democrats and RINOs.

    Chapman is actually arguing that not working with Congress is bad.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    Are you actually suggesting that "dismantling as much of the federal government as he can" is something Trump gives the slightest semblance of a shit about, compared to holding on to power and preeminence?

    He's only going about this deregulation business because somebody told him it would play well to his base. That is ALL he cares about: scoring points. "Winning", not in terms of actual accomplishments, but in terms of how the public sees him. Looking "strong".

    If somebody told Trump he could guarantee himself victory in 2020 by requiring a federal regulator to sign off on every item sold, dog walked, movie watched and ass wiped in the United States, he wouldn't hesitate for a New York minute.

  • hello.||

    Presuming this was true, even though Chapman's idiotic piece actually suggests it isn't, I'll take a president who dismantles the government because he's stupid over one that expands the government because he's smart.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    The *effects* of Trump's policies are not the point of this thread.

    My point was simply that lc1789's assertion- that Trump is willing to risk impeachment or being a 1-term president in order to pass his agenda- is absurd.

    The truth is the opposite of that: he is willing to risk his agenda, in order to avoid being impeached or made into a 1-term president. All of his "ideals" are sandbags, to be thrown off the side of the balloon the second he feels he needs a boost. He will cut a deal with Pelosi or Schumer for single-payer or tax increases before he surrenders his precious ego.

    Whatever faith you put in him, that's how much he'll turn on you in the end. He will betray libertarian principles more and more in the coming years.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Trump already won. He's probably the most unlikely president in 100 years.

    He has issues that he ran on because he feels that politicians tend to screw Americans over. Why else would he get grey hair faster by being president by fighting Washington than just going along and being a limousine liberal?

    He actually has implemented very specific government cutting items and is trying to get Congress to do others.

    Trump will never do single payer. Trump has done more to cut government than most presidents in the last 40 years and he's not libertarian.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Trump has not cut shit. An actual cut in real dollars would be the Budget Control Act of 2011 (aka Sequester which cut $910 billion over 10 years)

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    Which B.O. had to be extorted to sign.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Obama negotiated the Budget Control Act with Boehner and fulfilled a campaign promise of cutting the deficit by two-thirds.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    When he was forced to by Congress' refusal to raise the debt ceiling. Had the Dems held the House in 2010 that never would have happened.

    campaign promise of cutting the deficit by two-thirds.

    Yeah, the trick where you jack up prices by 50% and then immediately announce a 33% off sale.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Nope. Obama inherited a $1.2 trillion deficit and cut it 2/3.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    He was president for the $1.2T deficit.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    Actually that's not quite right. His first year in office was over 1.4T deficit.


    Deficits in billions
    2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016
    $161 $458 $1,413 $1,294 $1,295 $1,087 $679 $485 $438 $585
  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Wrong. The CBO scored the deficit at $1.2 trillion BEFORE Obama was sworn in.

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/0.....t_outlook/

    He cut it 2/3 through tax hikes, spending cuts, and an improved economy.

  • DesigNate||

    And who controlled both houses of congress in 2008 and 2009, shit for brains?

    Don't bother answering, I already know that you'll just be slobbering all over Obama and the democrats cocks.

  • DesigNate||

    Don't bother. The demfag is impervious to facts.

  • BlueStarDragon||

    and 20 trillion in debt proves what about this act?

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    He has drastically cut regulations. He can't control the budget on his own.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    There is no way he is getting reelected. 1-term president is the best he can do.

  • Dizzle||

    Lol.

    This is clearly what YOU hope is going on. To this point he's done almost nothing that would show he cares more about himself than his agenda. He's stuck his neck out to repeal/alter our shitty healthcare law more than once, and criticized all who have stood in the way even when they were correct in the early stages.

    He still is pushing everything that's unpopular with liberals, like the wall, tax cuts, and restricting immigration.

    These are the main tenants of his campaign and they're all still going strong. Where's he selling out again?

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    On NAFTA, on Syria and the Koreas, and on the Wall's funding. He easily and unthinkingly broke his promises on these things, and why? Because he knew the blowback would've hit him worse than the broken promise did.

    This guy has spent 30 YEARS railing against free trade: it is basically the only consistent position he has ever held. And yet what does he do? Pressures a few state governments to give massive subsidies to Carrier and Foxconn, throws a few desultory sanctions on freakin' Canada, and calls it a day. Principles, shminciples.

    Moreover, he loves plenty of big government things (military spending, police, asset forfeiture, incarceration, infrastructure), he doesn't give a shit about the national debt, and appoints people like *Jeff Sessions* (emphasis required) to positions of power. He isn't a "stealth libertarian", infiltrating the system to tear it down: just a generic Republican on steroids.

    And if the Dems win the House in 2018 or 2020, he has praised Australia and Canada's healthcare enough that it seems certain he will put us one further step down the Long March to SP. And he'll probably pass a no-fly list law for gun purchases, or worse. He'll do whatever he has to do to survive 2020.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Yep. Nothing more to add.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Dizzle:
    To this point he's done almost nothing that would show he cares more about himself than his agenda.

    Pulls another one out of his ass,
    HE CAMPAIGNED ON A 62% TAX CUT FOR HIMSELF .,.. AND HIS FELLOW ELITES (FEWER THAN EVEN THE 1%) ... ON TOP OF HIS 100% LOOPHOLE/EXEMPTION FROM CORPORATE TAXES ... HE'D BE A BILLIONAIRE PAYING A TOP INCOME TAX RATE OF 15%. What's YOUR tax bracket?

    And he's enriched himself by tens of millions .. at taxpayer expense ... or in violation of the emoluments clause of the Constitution.

    He even tried to rip off the Secret Service with rent at Trump Tower.

  • Nyarlarrythotep||

    Government won't be shrunk by dumb luck or stupidity. All the powerful forces in government are there to perpetuate it.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Are you actually suggesting that "dismantling as much of the federal government as he can" is something Trump gives the slightest semblance of a shit about, compared to holding on to power and preeminence?

    SJWs Always Project

  • Michael Hihn||

    SJWs Always Project

    You placed your memorized slogan into the wrong context. Or you don't know what an SJW is ... and that you're one yourself,

  • buybuydandavis||

    And you displayed your lack of reading comprehension yet again!

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    I have now been accused of being a Confederate sympathizer, an Alt-Righter, AND a Social Justice Warrior... In just the last 24 hours!

    I was never saying Hillary was the better option, B2-D2. Just that the current one doesn't care about libertarianism, small government, or indeed anything but his own reflection, any more than his base requires him to.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I have now been accused of being a Confederate sympathizer, an Alt-Righter, AND a Social Justice Warrior... In just the last 24 hours!

    You may be new here. He's always babbling rightwing slogans and soundbites. It's all he has. Personal attacks.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Nevertheless, I find myself purchasing small quantities of Dan Davis. His marketing slogan is compelling.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Slogans that fail to deliver anything of substance, totally.

  • buybuydandavis||

    The Projection is strong with this one!

    Hihn grousing about personal attacks. It's simply hilarious.

    Anything more than a soundbite is wasted on you. You take a thousand words of spit flecked ranting to fail to respond to a single sentence. You're a 20V lithium powered Rant at Me Elmo. Just a little poke in the tummy, and "BLAAAAH blah blah blah blah..."

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    Democrats don't want to impeach Trump. He's the greatest heel they've had in decades.

  • Michael Hihn||

    And Pence is a Christian Taliban.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Suddenly Congressmen are the good guys in this fairy tale?

    Read it again. Slowly.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Since you cannot read, I doubt me explaining it to you would help you understand that Chapman is saying Congressmen are better than Trump.

  • Michael Hihn||

    (laughing in ridicule)

  • Dizzle||

    Read it again, quickly, then slowly, then quickly, then slowly again. You won't learn anything else, but it'll keep you from purveying the idea libertarians are all arrogant pricks like you, who love talking out their ass.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Typical Trump, bullying and aggression. A bellowing blowhard.

  • buybuydandavis||

    The Projection is strong in this one!

  • Michael Hihn||

    (nothing of value here either)

    Why do RIGHTWING SJWs all babble about "projection" when they have no answers?
    They're like a flock of puppets.

  • buybuydandavis||

    No answers are required to respond to you, because nothing you say poses a question or a problem.

    But much entertainment!

    When the world gives me lemons, I make lemonade.

  • ||

    Congressmen also presumably don't like moldy food, traffic jams, stds or body odor. That doesn't mean that any of those things are making congress less corrupt.

    I understand the hope, when Trump was first elected, that he would be a shock to the system that would ultimately push back government overreach, trim the bureaucracy, restore balance between the branches of government, etc. Maybe he'll even end up doing some of that. But can you point to specific things he's done that's actually accomplished any of that? I can see the argument that a lot of his non-military appointments are skeptics of the agencies they're running, and he did knock down some regulations through executive order (though pretty much only late Obama-era regulations). Is there anything else?

    Also, Chapman basically said that congress is an equal branch of government that Trump has to work with to pass legislation. Do you disagree with that? Do you think we'd be better off without a separation of powers?

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    The SCOTUS nomination of Gorsuch is one. Also the regulatory decimation can continue with no help from Congress. Plus, simply having blocked Hillary from having the enormous power of the presidency is a win even if he accomplishes nothing on his own.

    Also, Chapman basically said that congress is an equal branch of government that Trump has to work with to pass legislation. Do you disagree with that? Do you think we'd be better off without a separation of powers?

    Which was a complete red herring. Trump isn't trying to end the separation of powers. Look to Chapman's mancrush Obama if you want to make that accusation. All Trump is doing is pointing out the dishonesty and hypocrisy of the GOP Senate that campaigned for 7 years on repealing Obamacare and then decided they didn't want to do it after all.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Trump isn't trying to end the separation of powers.

    Shitting on the entire concept is less authoritarian???

    All Trump is doing is pointing out the dishonesty and hypocrisy of the GOP Senate that campaigned for 7 years on repealing Obamacare and then decided they didn't want to do it after all.

    By spewing bullshit on what McConnell said?

    What did Trump promise? What was HE elected to achieve. Universal coverage. Ooops.
    He's a fucking psychotic hypocrite A blowhard for blowhards.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Look to Chapman's mancrush Obama if you want to make that accusation

    Do you have no shame at all???

    The SCOTUS nomination of Gorsuch is one

    He's a Christian Taliban, eager to undermine the founding principle of Separation ... to restore the (un)Holy Inquisition rejected by our founders ... even to shit on unalienable rights.

    Like Trump, an authoritarian. No victory for individual liberty.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I understand the hope, when Trump was first elected, that he would be a shock to the system that would ultimately push back government overreach

    "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public".
    - H.L Mencken

  • buybuydandavis||

    "You're a stupid head"

    Not an argument

  • Michael Hihn||

    "You're a stupid head"

    Not an argument

    Nor is it anything I said ... so your quotation marks are another pathetic lie .,.. as you stalk me down the page,

    You also got my comment totally backwards!!!!!
    IT WAS AGREEMENT (AND SUPPORT) NOT AN ARGUMENT!!!!!
    (smirk)

    (Posted in defense of another aggression, by a serial stalker)

  • buybuydandavis||

    "Help! Help! Someone is responding to my comments! I'm being stalked!"

  • target||

    "What Republicans didn't know is that in this story, (the voters are) the woman and (they're) is the reptile.

    "The (lying piece of shit) managed to inspire rage by suggesting that, being new to Washington, Trump had "(any) expectations about (Republicans ever living up to the promises made to their constituents.)

    "Trump, by contrast, boasts an approval rating of 38 percent and a bottomless ignorance of the obfuscation process."

    There, fixed that for you.. I would keep fixing but it's too much work to replace everything, quicker just to scrap it and start over

  • target||

    forgot one:

    "He was also handicapped, as congressional Republicans were, by the unexpected surge of public sentiment for (free stuff)."

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The Con Man PROMISED the plebes even more free stuff - more entitlements and the greatest health care for everyone without paying for it.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Obama is gone from office. You don't have to kiss his ass anymore.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Obama is gone from office. You don't have to kiss his ass anymore

    He's talking about Trump. Obama never promised universal coverage. Only Trump did. But ... somehow ... his cult expects him to do the exact opposite of what he was elected to do.

    Obama OPPOSED universal coverage -- a mandate --- said we had to first reduce the costs of health care. so we could AFFORD to treat everyone. And here's the proof --collected in a Gary Johnson campaign ad

    Sorry.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Obama is gone from office. You don't have to kiss his ass anymore

    He's talking about Trump. Obama never promised universal coverage. Only Trump did. But ... somehow ... his cult expects him to do the exact opposite of what he was elected to do.

    Obama OPPOSED universal coverage -- a mandate --- said we had to first reduce the costs of health care. so we could AFFORD to treat everyone. And here's the proof --collected in a Gary Johnson campaign ad

    Sorry.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    You're calling Obama a Con Man?

    We knew you'd come around eventually.

  • Michael Hihn||

    You're calling Obama a Con Man?

    That was Trump -- who "forgot" most of his campaign bullshit ,... and so have you, apparently.

  • Michael Hihn||

    "The (lying piece of shit) managed to inspire rage by suggesting that, being new to Washington, Trump had "(any) expectations about (Republicans ever living up to the promises made to their constituents.

    The lying piece of shit is YOU.

    McConnell only said that Trump had unrealistic expectations ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    Bullshit. They've passed Obamacare repeal bills before during Obama's presidency. It's not like they first started talking about repealing Obamacare on January 20, 2017.

  • Michael Hihn||

    The lying piece of shit is YOU.
    McConnell only said that Trump had unrealistic expectations ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE


    Bullshit.

    Bend over. This will go in easier.

    The taciturn Kentuckian managed to inspire rage by suggesting that, being new to Washington, Trump had "excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process."

    Now TWO lying pieces of shit! Followed by a third (Dizzle)

  • Dizzle||

    No its you lieing, and being a douche as usual to boot. As pointed out below they passed this bill 2 years ago with overwhelming numbers, but now have cold feet.

    It shouldn't have taken even this long. Mcconnell's an old fart like you that needs to gtfo, because you're both making the rest of us look bad.

    And again, I agree with a lot of your positions. But you really suck as a person. You love referencing your past libertarian accomplishments, but why aren't they still ongoing? Why aren't you riding the trajectory you laid out years ago of creating a revolution? Couldn't be your arrogance could it? You're a prick to likeminded people, it's no wonder you couldn't recruit people to your cause. But keep it up, even though your failing your mission and all of us, you're clearly too stupid to admit it.

  • Michael Hihn||

    McConnell only said that Trump had unrealistic expectations ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE

    No its you lieing, and being a douche as usual to boot.

    Bend over. This will go in easier.

    The taciturn Kentuckian managed to inspire rage by suggesting that, being new to Washington, Trump had "excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process."

    That's just your first bullshit ... plus this laughable ignorance

    As pointed out below they passed this bill 2 years ago with overwhelming numbers, but now have cold feet.

    You're also a lying piece of shit about "overwhelming numbers." And ignorant!

    Pay attention .... THEY LOST TWO SEATS LAST YEAR.
    Show this to your dumbfuck President: https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm

    (Boldface in defense of Trump-style bullying, aggression, raging lies and personal attacks. Like a pack of wild dogs)

  • target||

    I'm lying about what exactly? If we want to be pedantic, "ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE" hasn't happened yet.

    "Why aren't they doing it? Because they don't want to repeal Obamacare and never intended to. As early as 2014, the Chamber of Commerce made it clear that their official position was to fix, not repeal Obamacare. Money talks, everything else from there walks.

    This sentiment was evident today when Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), the Senate majority whip, said that they will no longer pursue repeal of Obamacare through budget reconciliation and that "it needs to be done on a bipartisan basis, and so we're happy to work on it with Democrats if we can find any who are willing to do so."

    The Repub establishment have all but admitted they were never going to repeal it. That the votes under Obama were a show they new would never succeede, and the promises to constituents to repeal were just tactics to get elected.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I'm lying about what exactly?

    What I proved.
    Now you get even wackier.!!

    If we want to be pedantic, "ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE" hasn't happened yet.

    That's MY point!!! AND MCCONNELL'S. (lol) And you call it PEDANTIC!!!

    Even crazier .....

    That the votes under Obama were a show they new would never succeede, and the promises to constituents to repeal were just tactics to get elected.

    DUH.
    Did you "forget" that TRUMP DID THE SAME THING ... BUT EVEN WORSE? He was elected to enact universal coverage. Remember?

    PLUS lots of goodies ... tax cuts ... AND A LOWER DEFICIT!
    And, the fucking fraud ran on a 62% tax cut FOR HIMSELF ... on top of his current massive loophole exemption from all corporate income taxes. HE would pay no more than 15% income tax. What's YOUR tax bracket?

  • target||

    I'll start off by saying, I am not pointing out McConnell, he is only a mouthpiece for the repub establishment(the 90% of congress that get's reelected with a 20% approval)

    MH: "What I proved."

    What exactly did you prove? I contended that repubs have no intention of repealing ACA. For that to be a lie, they would have had to repeal it, and unless that happened in the last 24 hours, nothing I inferred has been proven to be a lie, but yes that is a pedantic argument.

    MH: "That's MY point!!! AND MCCONNELL'S. (lol) And you call it PEDANTIC!!!"

    no that's my point. I can't lie if it hasn't happened yet(see above). I posted examples of Him/them asserting their position not to repeal. He claims he needs more time, we'll see, but until then he has only shown opposition to what he claimed, aka he lied.

    "Even crazier ..... DUH.
    Did you "forget" that TRUMP DID...
    PLUS lots of goodies ..."

    I don't give two shits. I'm not talking about trump. I'm talking about a repub establishment who couldn't get it done because they weren't in the majority; then they didn't use the houses ability to control the purse strings; then they didn't have the senate; then they didn't have the president; then they wouldn't use reconciliation; now they haven't had enough time. it's bullshit.

    Longtobefree: "we expect all of the republicans to do what they promised"
    MH: Then you're just as gulible as Bernie's cult,

    You are making my point for me.

  • Michael Hihn||

    MH: "What I proved."

    What exactly did you prove?

    That you were totally full of shit.
    Your pathetic bullshit on what McConnell said.

    The (lying piece of shit) managed to inspire rage by suggesting that, being new to Washington, Trump had "(any) expectations about (Republicans ever living up to the promises made to their constituents.)

    Jammed that BULLSHIT up your ass here
    http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_6929805

    And your entire argument is BULLSHIT ... because .... one-more-time-for-the-mentallty affiilcted.
    1) they lost two Senate seats last year
    2) TRUMP WAS ELECTED ON HIS PROMISE TO COVER EVERYONE WITH HEALTH CARE. YOU SUFFER SEVERE DENIAL.

  • target||

    MH: Jammed that BULLSHIT up your ass here
    "And your entire argument is BULLSHIT ... because .... one-more-time-for-the-mentallty affiilcted.
    Pay attention .... THEY LOST TWO SEATS LAST YEAR"

    MH: unrealistic expectations ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE

    my "entire argument" includes examples that predate your excuse by up to 4 years. and again you contradict yourself. which is it, It can't be done at all because they lost two seats, or it absolutely will be done but they just need more time? They can't both be true. If Mitch claims that it can be done and you say it can't because they don't have the seats that makes him a LIAR. If he can get it done despite the two seats but just needs more time, that makes your argument or excuse WRONG.

    MH: Jammed that BULLSHIT up your ass... for-the-mentallty affiilcted.

    You openly admit you like to shove things up the ass of mentally afflicted people? I may suffer from denial, but I would rather it be that then whatever the hell it is you are suffering from.. good thing you get to keep that free obamacare so you can seek whatever treatment it is you need, you sicko rapist.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Fucking liar. Here's your latest bullshit

    MH: unrealistic expectations ON HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE

    That was correcting the bullshit on McConnel's words that I jammed up your ass -- three times now Starting here,
    http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_6929805

    Next lie:

    my "entire argument" includes examples that predate your excuse by up to 4 years

    1) IRRELEVANT TO THE CUURENT 2 VOTE MAJORITY
    1) THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONTROL UNTIL TWO YEARS LATER (SMIRK)
    2) THAT WAS A RESPONSE TO DIZZLE, NOT YOU
    http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_6929805

    which is it, It can't be done at all because they lost two seats, or it absolutely will be done but they just need more time? They can't both be true.

    NEITHER. Same link, Sluggo.

    REPEATl TRUMP WAS ELECTED ON HIS PROMISE TO COVER EVERYONE WITH HEALTHCARE. YOU SUFFER DENIAL. HIS IS BY FAR THE GREATER FAILURE.

    (again posted in defense of lies, aggression and bullying)

  • buybuydandavis||

    Fucking liar. Here's your latest bullshit

    Making more friends, are you?

  • hello.||

    Lol. Yes, Trump desperately needs the help of a Republican establishment that opposed his nomination at every turn in favor of Jeb Bush - the "smart candidate", collaborated with Democrats to distribute oppo on his campaign, insulted his voters, reneged on all of their platform promises, has no legislative agenda, and is despised by the vast majority of the American public.

  • Michael Hihn||

    is despised by the vast majority of the American public.

    Yes, but he is the President ... with no mandate. For anything.

    He got the nomination with fewer than 40% of the Republican primary voters,
    Nearly 10 million voted against him in the General..
    He won the Electoral College by a mere 80,000 votes in three states COMBINED.
    Then abandoned or reversed nearly every promise HE made to voters.
    And he averages three blatant lies per day.

  • Mark22||

    And yet, Trump's approval rating is still nearly twice that of Congress.

  • Michael Hihn||

    And yet, Trump's approval rating is still nearly twice that of Congress.

    And yet ... nearly half of Congress is Democrat (45%) Trump is 100% Republican. So your comment is totally useless, unless you believe Democrats are NOT less popular than Republicans..

    Anything else?

  • Jgalt1975||

    Trump desperately needs the help of a Republican establishment that opposed his nomination at every turn

    You might want to familiarize yourself with how the concepts of "branches of government" and "federalism" work under the US Constitution. There are a tremendous number of things a President needs, at minimum, acquiescence, if not outright support, on from other governmental power centers to actually be able to get accomplished, especially anything that he might hope will outlast his administration.

  • hello.||

    Another is that the legislative branch is equal to the executive branch, not subordinate.

    He's got a pen and a phone, that was enough for Obama - to the cheers and cocksucking of Chapman and the Reason staff.

  • Michael Hihn||

    He's got a pen and a phone

    Why do you assume a pen and a phone can change the Constitutional balance of power, with checks and balances between three co-equal branches?

    No doubt Trump believes he's Napoleon. But why do you?

    He did say he could commit murder in broad daylight, and his supporters would stand by him. Supporters he had so badly insulted as totally lacking in any morality at all.

    Authoritarians do stick together ...

  • Stormy Dragon||

    No doubt Trump believes he's Napoleon. But why do you?

    Because he thinks der Trumpenfuhrer is just SO dreamy. I mean look at that hair!

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Do I have to? I don't want to look at it. I'm still waiting for it to crawl away on its own.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Too late. That's just the hide from a rotting animal's corpse.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    "Why do you assume a pen and a phone can change the Constitutional balance of power, with checks and balances between three co-equal branches?"
    Worked for Obama. Why would you assume that a constitutional balance of power would suddenly reappear?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Worked for Obama

    You said that in public?

    Why would you assume that a constitutional balance of power would suddenly reappear?

    Are you PAID by Fox News? Do you REALLY believe Republicans didn't block most of his agenda?
    Oh wait, you're correct!!! Obama jammed Merrick Garland onto the Supreme Court! I forgot.

  • ||

    "to the cheers and cocksucking of Chapman and the Reason staff."

    Links?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Der Trumpen-fuhrer must cleanse his party of the impure.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    It worked for der-Obama-fuhrer.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    Technically I think the voters did that in 2010 and 2014. There are only a couple of moderate Dems left in Congress.

  • Michael Hihn||

    It worked for der-Obama-fuhrer.

    Wrong again!
    He ran as a moderate. HGis far left beat him down ... when dumbfuck Republicans REFUSED THE DEAL they
    were offered with Obamacare ... a deal that would have killed single-payer forever.

    SMART Republicans worked with Kennedy on his tax cuts -- later copied by Reagan -- which were strongly opposed by the AFL-CIO and far-left Dems in Congress. Kennedy didn't need their votes,

    STUPID Republicans FORCED Obama to need far-left votes. Bluster and bellowing is NOT governing.
    If all you see is a partisan bubbles of Fox, Breitbart, WND and Infowars, you never knew how strongly Obama as attacked by his own far left ,,, exactly like the GOP retards who scream RINO.

    So both parties are now terminal. Which is scary, when we already have an authoritarian in the White House.
    40% of Republicans would support Trump delaying or cancelling next year's election!
    The same wackos who BELEEB Obama was already planning it!!

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Obama was a hard core lefty in the Illinois state house and briefly in the U.S. senate before a bedazzled electorate put him in the white house because of his pigmentation (not that the GOP alternative would have been any better). He could have run as a moderate or Josef Stalin's illegitimate grandson and won because enough people got that tingle up their leg. The far left STFU while he sold the country to Goldman Sachs, drone bombed weddings in Yemen, unleashed Justice on medical marijuana users and sent HRC out to fuck up Libya and the rest of the ME. But I guess that's governing by your definition. I'm not suggesting that the Republican alternatives would have been preferable in fact McCain as commander in chief is my own worst nightmare. But your suggestion that Obama was a moderate stymied only by evil Republicans is pure horseshit. And to make your point you evoke memories of JFK? Seriously? The guy that got elected by having Daley count the votes? The guy who got that whole Viet Nam thing rolling? The guy whose only lasting legacy is the Cuba embargo? Oswald's only mistake was leaving us with LBJ as warrior in chief.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Obama was a hard core lefty in the Illinois state house and briefly in the U.S. senate

    You seem confused, I was talking about the Presidential campaign, where he ran as a moderate. I link to the proof here:
    http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_6929871

    Now you bullshit us on Kennedy's tax cuts!

    And to make your point you evoke memories of JFK? Seriously?

    You're ignorant of that ALSO?

    because of his pigmentation

    How is Alex Jones these days?

    Oswald's only mistake was leaving us with LBJ as warrior in chief.

    (shudder)

  • buybuydandavis||

    Drain the Deep State, in government and party

  • Jerryskids||

    Trump Launches A Suicidal War On His Own Party

    First, it's not his party - Trump spent as much time attacking the GOP as spineless shitweasels in his campaign as he did the Dems. The fact that this was a winning strategy suggests that A), a lot of right-wing(ish) voters agree with that assessment and B) that Trump and the voters are correct in that assessment. You got a fat-headed loud-mouth pussy-assed cry-baby goomba talking shit about you and you don't punch the fucker in the mouth? Yeah, you're a spineless shitweasel.

    And secondly - as a libertarian, suicidal attacks look good on a politician and I just hope he takes a lot of them with him when he blows up. Mitch McConnell's right at the top of the list.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Yeah, your branch of faux libertarians never gave a shit about fixing anything -- or even getting elected.;

    Loving liberty always reduces government,

    Hating government rarely expands liberty ... as proven by the Medicaid cuts, REFUSING to restore the outcomes of a
    free market, Shitting on free-market outcomes has never been libertarian ... especially when Rand Paul does it.

    REAL libertarians have been proposing TOTAL repeal of Medicaid ... and the entire welfare state ... for 40 years. But it takes a transition plan, and time. Bellowing blowhards get more attention in today's movement ... which is why the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians (Cato survey conducted by a top pollster)

  • buybuydandavis||

    I've been proposing sparkling unicorn ponies that fart diamonds and crap gold for just as long.

  • Michael Hihn||

    You never deal with ideas. Just smart-ass comments.

    YOU say

    I've been proposing sparkling unicorn ponies that fart diamonds and crap gold for just as long

    (snort) How does that equate to ...

    1) Granting a 100% tax CREDIT for donations to "life support" charities, including healthcare.
    2) Transfer the money from government back to the private sector, at the same pace that a free market is rebuilt,
    3) Would repeal the entire welfare state -- technically, government support as the very last resort -- as endorsed by Hayek, von Mises and Friedman.

    Unicorn farts? (gag)

    Or
    1) Voters allocate their own tax dollars on their own tax returns, by broad categories, including NOTHING (cuts) Because Congress cannot set priorities within a fixed total.
    2) Do the math, spending and taxes would decline every year.
    3) EVERYONE would direct their own tax dollars, How hard is THAT to sell?

    Your ilk babbles and blusters about free markets and limited government ,.,, with NO FUCKING CLUE how to do ANYTHING. So the libertarian brand is now rejected by 91% of libertarians ... who now comprise 60% of the electorate.

    Pay attention. People want the vast majority of what government provides, So ... do we have a better way to do it all ... AS IT ONCE WAS DONE?

    We do, You have nothing. You've been blowing those farts into your own mouth ... and swallowing them! (flush).

    (boldface to enhance the ridicule)

  • buybuydandavis||

    You never deal with ideas. Just smart-ass comments.

    That you can never comprehend the idea is not my fault or my problem.

    Since one idea per reply is already more than you can deal with, I stop at one and add in some levity to fill the empty space.

    Keep dancing, monkey boy.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Keep dancing, monkey boy.

    (snort) That's as childish as your unicorn farts .,... versus TWO privatization plans, jammed up your ass here:
    http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_6929928

    Because YOU fucked up saying there was no such thing.
    (will we see another hissy fit from the triggered one?)

  • buybuydandavis||

    Because YOU fucked up saying there was no such thing.

    I hope your hallucinations are as entertaining for you as they are for me.

  • Agammamon||

    1. Trump is right. 7 years of campaigning on 'repeal and replace' and when the opportunity comes up they aren't organized enough to do anything with it.

    2. Who the feth does Trump think he is? Congress doesn't work for him. Its not there to 'implement his agenda'. This is the problem we had with 'a pen and a phone' Obama - why won't these people just do what they're told!!11!!

  • ||

    It's absurd. At the same time, it's not the case that the republicans didn't have any plan to repeal and replace, it's that they didn't have a plan that was acceptable to 50 senators. If you're a republican senator in 2015, you could reasonably see ironing out the differences between your preferred plans and your colleagues preferred plans as a waste of time, since you'd expect a republican president to have campaigned on something with at least some degree of detail, and you'd expect the exact composition of the senate (and thus the balance between moderates and conservatives) to change with the election.

    It's worth remembering how much trouble the democrats had getting all 60 democratic senators on board with Obamacare, despite having an extraordinarily popular president, and despite the democratic primary focusing heavily on a debate between three slightly different versions of the same basic approach to health care reform.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    Except the GOP's task was much simpler -- just repeal a bill. They don't have to craft shit. Much easier to destroy than create.

    Problem is, some GOPers are in favor of at least part of Obamacare and want to protect those parts. That's the narrative that Trump is pushing and he's right.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Proof that Trump is a shitty deal maker and negotiator then. All he had to do was cut a deal with his own party.

    He Conned the Idiocracy.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    The usual way of "cutting deals" in Congress is to tack on more spending in the recalcitrant member's district or state (this is exactly what was done to ensure 0-care's passage). Given that we're out of fucking money, that isn't an option anymore.

  • Jerryskids||

    I've been assured that Trump is a 8th-level wizard chessmaster or some such and this is just part of the long con game. Trump's mad deal-making skillz are beyond your ken and he meant to make Congress look bad by not hammering out a deal a majority could live with. He totally could have if he wanted to, he just didn't want to because that would have been a bad move. You'll see, believe me, this is all part of his plan, it'll be great, you'll love it. By the time this is all over, we'll all have so much healthcare we'll be sick of it, everybody will be covered, it'll be much cheaper and much better than what we have now. It' not complicated.

  • SusanM||

    It's the Madman Strategy - only YUUUGE!!1!

  • buybuydandavis||

    The failure of the Republican Congress to pass legislation is worse in 2018 for establishment Republicans than for insurgent Trump Republicans.

    Trump to fight the establishment dead enders in the Republican party as much as the Dems, the media, and academe. 2018 is the time to make inroads on that fight.

  • Michael Hihn||

    They're not insurgent.

  • buybuydandavis||

    They are too!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Except the GOP's task was much simpler -- just repeal a bill. They don't have to craft shit. Much easier to destroy than create.

    As you SHIT ALL OVER THE FREE MARKET!

    We had a free market for the uninsured until the 1960s Medicaid .. which provided UNIVERSAL TREATMENT, regardless of income. It was provided by religious charity hospitals. Funding by the collection plate and a diverse network of private charity -- like the fraternal organizations that began charity care in the 1500s.

    Do the math. Americans have ALWAYS been willing to pay for universal treatment. If today's conservatives (and libertarians) are too fucking stupid to restore that in a free market ... Bernie has the ONLY option acceptable to voters. Blustering and bellowing is supported by 16% of the voters,

    Will of the people? Consent of the governed?

  • Agammamon||

    The thing is they've had 7 years to figure something out that would appeal to 50 senators. Instead they sat on their asses, flinging poop around, and didn't start working on something supposedly *this important to them* until Trump got into office?

  • Michael Hihn||

    it's not the case that the republicans didn't have any plan to repeal and replace, it's that they didn't have a plan that was acceptable to 50 senators.

    BECAUSE it's acceptable to only 16% of voters!

    If you're a republican senator in 2015

    When they had 54 seats. They lost two last year.

  • Robert||

    Same thing in the 1990s. Wofford's election convinced Dems in Congress that then was finally the time for socialized medicine. They couldn't decide what kind they wanted, though, and although a Canadian-style single-payer plan was simple enough & pretty popular, they knew it'd be the easiest to attack as socialized medicine, which of course it was. So how could they get what people simultaneously wanted & anti-wanted? Various ideas were floated & were still around after Clinton got elected & Hillarycare came forth, a product of heavy logrolling & buying off of special interests, a Rube-Goldbergish plan of monopsonies that nobody could explain easily, & Bill sounded scary explaining as regional "giant health alliance"s—what ever made him think anything "giant" would sound good? It was still competing in Congress vs, other ideas, including "incremental reforms", which apparently meant socializing medicine a piece at a time. All the opposition had to do was sow doubt about sweeping change, including Bob Dole concern-trolling for "incremental reforms" just stated as such, & the Democrats could never unite on a plan.

  • Liberty =><= Equality||

    The GOP in general (with a few scattered exceptions like Rand Paul) never wanted to actually repeal Obamacare, just campaign against it.

    Of course the flip side of that is that the Dems don't really want to impeach Trump either -- they want to keep him around to campaign against.

  • Michael Hihn||

    The GOP in general (with a few scattered exceptions like Rand Paul) never wanted to actually repeal Obamacare, just campaign against it.

    Wrong! It was RAND PAUL who who killed repeal by pushing for repeal and replace --- the first to do so..

    Watch and learn. See him describe it on Kennedy . just after Trump took office. Trump had campaigned on full repeal, his first day in office (one of his many con jobs on health care). Rand switched him, and his party.

    Trumpster divers conveeeeen-yently forget that Trump was elected to provide universal coverage. Tribalism sucks.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Trump is right

    Ummm, they lost two Senate seats last year. Not enough votes.

    Plus, the dumbfuck GOP REFUSED the Obamacare deal that would have killed single-payer forever Obama accepted a deal that co-op HMOs -- modeled on Seattle's Group Health Co-Op – would be an alternative to single payer. The deal was PRAISED BY THE NEW YORK TIMES AND ENDORSED AT DAILY KOS! Dumbfuck GOP refused the deal!

    I was a member there for 17 years. Doctors are salaried employees of their patients. They own their own pharmacy and run their own hospital rooms. Do the math. NO CLAIMS PROCESSING. Cheaper than any gubmint plan on earth. DIRECTLY controlled by PATIENTS ... and consumer choice (GHC has a lower-cost competitor).

    Orrin Hatch said it was "socialized medicine." IS KIWANIS SOCIALIST? (omg)

    REAL Republicans worked with Kennedy on tax cuts, which were identical to Reagan's later, thus strongly opposed by AFL-CIO and Kennedy's own left wing, which he didn't need.

    It was the GOP refusal that forced Obama to deal with his far left. Now ... the voters see NO GOP ALTERNATIVE ... so Obamacare is now more popular than ever, and single-payer is quite likely. Today's fucking conservatives. Any questions?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Trump is right

    Ummm, they lost two Senate seats last year. Not enough votes.

    Plus, the dumbfuck GOP REFUSED the Obamacare deal that would have killed single-payer forever Obama accepted a deal that co-op HMOs -- modeled on Seattle's Group Health Co-Op – would be an alternative to single payer. The deal was PRAISED BY THE NEW YORK TIMES AND ENDORSED AT DAILY KOS! Dumbfuck GOP refused the deal!

    I was a member there for 17 years. Doctors are salaried employees of their patients. They own their own pharmacy and run their own hospital rooms. Do the math. NO CLAIMS PROCESSING. Cheaper than any gubmint plan on earth. DIRECTLY controlled by PATIENTS ... and consumer choice (GHC has a lower-cost competitor).

    Orrin Hatch said it was "socialized medicine." IS KIWANIS SOCIALIST? (omg)

    REAL Republicans worked with Kennedy on tax cuts, which were identical to Reagan's later, thus strongly opposed by AFL-CIO and Kennedy's own left wing, which he didn't need.

    It was the GOP refusal that forced Obama to deal with his far left. Now ... the voters see NO GOP ALTERNATIVE ... so Obamacare is now more popular than ever, and single-payer is quite likely. Fucking conservatives. Any questions?

  • Mark22||

    Who the feth does Trump think he is?

    Someone with a lot more notoriety and press coverage than your average Congressman. And someone with an approval rating twice as high as that of Congress.

    No, Congress doesn't work for him. But they ignore him at their own peril.

  • Michael Hihn||

    And someone with an approval rating twice as high as that of Congress.

    I never knew you are a liberal.
    Congress is 45% Democrat. And you beleeb that's NOT a negative!

    No, Congress doesn't work for him. But they ignore him at their own peril.

    They don't need him. And he's stupid enough to bully the votes he needs ... which confirms how shitty he is as a deal-maker.

    When's he gonna deliver on his promise for provide everyone with health care? "And it will be fabulous! I can tell you "

  • Tony||

    It's eleventieth degree chess. He's arting the fucking deal. Can't you see that?

  • ||

    Shut up Buttplug.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Shut up Buttplug.

    (lol) He's right. You're totally blind to it. And talk like a 14-year-old.
    Hint: bullying is the OPPOSITE of negotiating. You can't cut a deal by attacking the the people you need to deal with. Why is this rocket science to you people?

    What we see is Trump's TOTAL lack of business management skills, and HOW he deals (as a bully). Authoritarians like him can only run a family business.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    You seem to come here for the sole purpose of attacking people which makes your poorly articulated arguments somewhat less compelling. But the CAPS and (snorts) always brighten my day. Keep up the good work!

  • Michael Hihn||

    which makes your poorly articulated arguments

    Such as ....
    (You make no argument at all. Just snark)

    But the CAPS and (snorts) always brighten my day.

    Mostly response to aggression (self-defense) Occasionally ridicule ,,,and very well supported. Like this ...,

    Which part(s) of this are beyond your comprehension?

    You can't cut a deal by attacking the the people you need to deal with. Why is this rocket science to you people?

    What we see is Trump's TOTAL lack of business management skills, and HOW he deals (as a bully). Authoritarians like him can only run a family business.

    Speaking of authoritarians and bullies ,,, here's the definition of ad hominem.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    Godspeed to Trump, then.

  • Michale Hihn's Buttplug||

    In bird culture that is considered a dick move.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Hihn must be doing something right if he is pissing off the H&R conservatives.

  • DesigNate||

    John pisses off just about everyone at HnR.

  • DesigNate||

    *Hihn. Stupid phone autocorrect.

  • Michael Hihn||

    *Hihn. Stupid phone autocorrect.

    Hihn is a victim of this aggression ,... because DesigNate's last aggressions were shown to be wacky, So he's been stalking me for months.

    Haters gotta hate. And NEVER address an actual issue. They can't.

  • DesigNate||

    I've barely posted on Reason for the last 6 months, so I haven't been "stalking" anybody.

    Oh, and stating an observable fact is not aggression.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Oh, and stating an observable fact is not aggression.

    (snort) Is this an "obvious fact" ... or aggression THAT PROVES MY POINT?

    Hihn. Stupid phone autocorrect.

    (walks away laughing)

  • buybuydandavis||

    What is it about crazy people that makes them add narration to their lives?

  • ||

    Shut up Tony

  • Michael Hihn||

    (laughing)

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hihn must be doing something right if he is pissing off the H&R conservatives.

    The dumbfuxck can't even spell Michael ... for his childish assault. (smirk)

    And I even show him how to spell it!
    Remember when we were age 10. On the school bus? The ones who would say "shit" and giggle?
    That's what they "grow up" into.

  • Libertarian||

    Mitchell is an "ally?" Citation needed. The truth is that the Republican establishment is a more potent enemy to DJT than the Democrats.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Trump's biggest threat is his own trash mouth, bullying, immaturity and TOTAL lack of even basic management skills.

  • The Last American Hero||

    What are the odds Chapman typed this with one hand down his pants?

    There will be no impeachment, and potus telling the majority leader to get shit done or get out of the way is not really grounds for impeachment.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Everything else is.

  • Mark22||

    There will be no impeachment, and potus telling the majority leader to get shit done or get out of the way is not really grounds for impeachment.

    In fact, I suspect the Republican base rather approves.

  • Michael Hihn||

    In fact, I suspect the Republican base rather approves.

    25% of the voters? WOW

  • Longtobefree||

    Well, at this part of 'outside the beltway', we expect all of the republicans to do what they promised. And they are not doing it. In fact, they are looking pretty incapable of doing it. They can't even get it together long enough to TALK about it!! Really? Can't even get it to the floor!!??
    (disclosure; I did not vote for the republicans, they no longer represent my values. But since they were elected, they have to represent me along with the others in their district / state)

    So my expectation is that come next November, the republicans you say are only responsible to their own electorate will find that that electorate will quite happily vote for ANYBODY who runs against them in the primary. And may very well either vote against them if they win the primary; or at least stay home and let the democrats back in. Either way, they are heading for a future of selling books on "What went wrong", and giving speeches for pay. So actually, yes, they do need to be responsible to Trump, because they were in fact elected to implement his agenda.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Well, at this part of 'outside the beltway', we expect all of the republicans to do what they promised

    Then you're just as gulible as Bernie's cult,

  • DRM||

    Hmm? I didn't hear anybody talking "repeal and replace" for any "seven years". It was all just "repeal" (dishonestly in the case of several RINOs, but anybody who wasn't an idiot would have known that). "Repeal and replace" was Trump's slogan. He even denounced simple repeal in the primary debates. So where, exactly, is his replacement plan?

  • josh||

    Actually, before Trump, the slogan started out as "Repeal and Replace" and then morphed into "Repeal". They were slogans...nothing more. When you actually pressed most Republicans, the former was always more of what they had in mind, precisely because it was more politically palatable. But since simple "Repeal" was easier to win over Republicans with, it got shortened.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Umm, it was RAND PAUL who pushed it from repeal to repeal and replace.
    The proof is here.
    http://reason.com/archives/201.....nt_6929829

    Sorry to burst your bubbles.

  • josh||

    Is Rand Paul a Republican?

    Consider my bubble just fine, thank you.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Is Rand Paul a Republican?

    Yep. He's the one who "won over Republicans" the OPPOSITE of your claim. I even gave you proof.,

    Consider my bubble just fine, thank you.

    You also got the sequence backwards.

    the slogan started out as "Repeal and Replace" and then morphed into "Repeal".

    It was "repeal" until Rand flipped it. For the party (Republicans) If you'd followed it, Rand flipped the Republicans toward Trump's "repeal and replace" -- though his cult now believes the exact opposite (as always)

    Perhaps you forgot when Cruz led the attempt to shut down the government to defund Obamacare ... with no alternative. The goober wing of libertarians/conservatives was quote resolute for years, "We don't need no steeenkeeeng replacement."

    So far, all they've done now is move Obamacare to approval by a majority of voters, a defeat worse than Custer's Even crazier, Republicans REFUSED the Obamacare deal that would likely killed single-payer forever -- thus forcing Obama to seek votes from his far-left that he would no have needed. (That's how they shut out the far left for Kennedy's tax cuts). Yes, Obamacare was the result of a GOP fuckup. Single-payer looks like the damage, especially if the GOP fucks up by cutting Medicaid (in blatant defiance of free-market OUTCOMES).

    Anything else?

  • josh||

    The gist of this article is that Trump needs to learn how to play politics. I'm not sure how that's controversial. Winning a presidential election over Hillary Clinton may make you president, but it doesn't do much else for you. The game remains the game, and he can criticize them all he wants, but most of them will be there after he's a memory, so he needs them more than the other way around.

  • Longtobefree||

    Some of them will be there after he is gone, because they do not have legal term limits.

    However, many of them will learn that the electorate can impose term limits every other November, They ran for years on one point, and then created the most impressive, epic fail of all times by not even allowing i to the floor for debate.

    I would vote for ANYONE running against an incumbent republican in any federal primary. Including Bernie Sanders running as a republican. (Why not, he is no more 'not a republican' as he is 'not a democrat')

  • Michael Hihn||

    Umm, they never had a fucking clue -- proven when they tried o shut down the federal gubmint to defund Obamacare ... with NO alternative,

    Goobers screech, "We don't need no steenkeeng alternative." Because they're brainwashed puppets.
    Anti-gubmint paranoia now drives both conservatives and libertarians.

    Pro-liberty libs and cons know how the free market worked in health care, with 40 years of proposed transitions back to that. Including TOTAL repeal of Medicaid ... which the gubmint haters are too fucking stupid to do. It requires a PHASED TRANSITION -- to REBUILD the private sector that was destroyed, shifting dollars to charitable healthcare -- at the same pace as the rebuilding. That requires more that beating one's chest and bellowing

    So progressives are kicking our ass on this, and are WINNING this round. Outside of Fox News (Trump's Pravda) is where you learn that the GOP "plan" is approved by a mere 16% of voters. (gasp)
    Obamacare is more popular than ever BECAUSE it's now seen as the only viable option. .

    Pre-Medicaid, Americans VOLUNTARILY supported universal treatment for the uninsured, regardless of income. If Republicans/Conservatives are too fucking stupid to restore that in a free market, then libruls will do it with government. Bellowing won't stop that.See Jefferson. Will of the people.

  • Mark22||

    The game remains the game, and he can criticize them all he wants, but most of them will be there after he's a memory, so he needs them more than the other way around.

    Don't bet on it. The same people who got pissed off at the horrible candidates the Republican establishment was pushing can just as easily push out the Republican establishment itself. And they can do it in the primaries, without switching to the Democratic party.

  • Witkh13||

    ***R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O.***
    Someone chooses to actually bet that @realDonaldTrump will loose against @JohnMcCain and the Rockefellers, enough to entitel the effort as 'suicide'? They must have their heads in the sand and still think we are in 1996, and Ross is still running...
    ***S.R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O.***
    They are choosing to fail to understand the significance of social media as it relates to irresistibly terminating #DistrictofColumbia's power. Moreover, how @realDonaldTrump has already shown he neither needs the Rockefeller's money or their connections to plebeians... which is basically everyone outside of District of Columbia.

    Beyond the humor itself. Grateful for you sharing your Gravity, am I. May you ask the Goddess to eternally alight your self-determined path.

  • Michael Hihn||

    *** R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O***
    Is that why he's the LEAST popular President in the history of such polling? LARGELY BECAUSE OF HIS TWEETS!!!

    Can he use Twitter to achieve his promise of universal healthcare? OR ANYTHING???

    Can Twitter achieve his promises to
    INCREASE FREEBIES and MILITARY SPENDING?
    Cut taxes? (Including a 62% massive tax cut/loophole for HIMSELF)
    And balance the budget?

    53% of REPUBLICANS say he uses Twitter too much.
    Did you forget that he won the nomination with fewer than 40% of Republican voters?
    ***S.R.O.T.F.L.M.A.O***

  • buybuydandavis||

    What Republicans didn't know is that in this story, they're the woman and Trump is the reptile.

    Anyone who thought the fight for control of the Republican Party ended when Trump won their nomination for President is a retard. What part of "never" in NeverTrump didn't you understand?

    As long as much the Republican establishment continues to fight Trump, expect Trump to fight back.

    I suppose it's hard to blame the Left's confusion when someone on the Right actually *fights back* instead of bending over because "muh principles", but who couldn't see that Trump's campaign was an insurgency that was far from over?

    2016 Fight for control of the government
    2018 Fight for control of the party
    2020 Fight for control of the government
    2022 Fight for control of the party
    ...

  • Michael Hihn||

    It's not just the Republican establishment.
    You forget to mention Hillary's emails.
    And Obama's birthplace.

    2016 Fight for control of the government
    2018 Fight for control of the party
    2020 Fight for control of the government
    2022 Fight for control of the party

    (lol) Only a dick-tater like Trump would believe one crazy man can control the government.

    I mean, the guy has no mandate ... for anything ... outside his own cult,
    He was nominated with less than 40% of Republican primary voters,
    Almost 10 million voted against him.
    He won the Electoral College by a TOTAL of 80,000 votes ... COMBINED, from three states.

    His base is maybe 25% of the electorate, but party primaries are dominated by a shrinking minority of voters, so we're governed by a minority. Very dangerous. Bellowing is not governing.

  • Bra Ket||

    His agenda here of replacing obamacare has much broader support. Especially within the party.

    When congressmen break their campaign promises, the reason is pretty much always the same: they thought following through would put their re-election in danger (and retaining one's place among the aristocracy is always the aristocrat's top priority). By putting them on the spot Trump changes this part of the equation.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Bra Ket
    His agenda here of replacing obamacare has much broader support.

    16% of the electorate is broader than what?

    When congressmen break their campaign promises,

    Trump broke 10 times as many. Where's the universal coverage he was elected to achieve? The LGBTs he was elected to defend? Etc., etc.

    (and retaining one's place among the aristocracy is always the aristocrat's top priority).

    Which is why the aristocrat Trump campaigned on a 62% tax cut for himself (and his cronies) ... a billionaire with a top tax rate of 15%. What's YOUR marginal rate?

    By putting them on the spot Trump changes this part of the equation.

    They're ignoring him. Chapman explained why.

    But you're still hoping for his promise to provide health insurance for everyone ... and a top income tax rate of 15% for himself. If he can avoid prison.

    Since you seem to stay with Fox, Breibart, WND and Infowars ... you may not know that Trump got most of financing from a Russian bank ... the only bank that would lend to him after so many horrendous bankruptcies. THAT is what Mueller is exploring. Trump owes his entire fortune to Russia. He sold his soul and Putin is cashing it in.

  • Bra Ket||

    "16% of the electorate is broader than what?"

    Cherry-picked poll regarding a single bill attempt. Do you really believe that is a fair metric of the support for replacing obamacare?

  • Michael Hihn||

    "16% of the electorate is broader than what?"

    Cherry-picked poll regarding a single bill attempt.

    FAKE NEWS!!

    Do you really believe that is a fair metric of the support for replacing obamacare?

    We can only deal with actual proposals.

    And ... HIS AGENDA .... WHAT HE WAS ELECTED TO ENACT ... was universal coverage, Did you not know that? For everyone. Again, why do you ignore Trump's broken promises ... at least 10 times as many??

  • buybuydandavis||

    (lol) Only a dick-tater like Trump would believe one crazy man can control the government.

    Can never comprehend even one point when laid out in detail. Sad.

    Trying to win more seats in the house and senate for Trump Republicans demonstrates thinking the opposite of "one crazy man can control the government".

    Do at least try to keep up.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hihn:
    (lol) Only a dick-tater like Trump would believe one crazy man can control the government
    I mean, the guy has no mandate ... for anything ... outside his own cult,
    He was nominated with less than 40% of Republican primary voters,
    Almost 10 million voted against him.
    He won the Electoral College by a TOTAL of 80,000 votes ... COMBINED, from three states.
    His base is maybe 25% of the electorate, but party primaries are dominated by a shrinking minority of voters, so we're governed by a minority. Very dangerous. Bellowing is not governing
    buybuy
    Trying to win more seats in the house and senate for Trump Republicans demonstrates thinking the opposite of "one crazy man can control the government".

    Look again, chump,
    This time notice how the "goal" changes .... IN THE YEAR WE ELECT A PRESIDENT
    Plus, when you say "Trump Republicans" --- which don't really exist, and could never elect enough.

    Should they run on Trumpcare ... which is approved by 16% of the electorate?
    How about 74% of the voters who don't Trust Trump ... so they're gonna give him more power!!!
    You guts are as bad as the Bernie-bots

  • Bra Ket||

    "Should they run on Trumpcare ... which is approved by 16% of the electorate?"

    No they should come up with a real bill, as opposed to an obvious attempt to get credit for replacing the law without taking any real risks (which as the polls indicate, fooled no one).

  • Michael Hihn||

    Your talk is cheap as theirs. What would a "real bill" do?
    Hint: NOT cut Medicaid, because Americans always paid for indigent care in a free market,

  • buybuydandavis||

    This time notice how the "goal" changes .... IN THE YEAR WE ELECT A PRESIDENT

    Finally caught on to my original point? I tried to diagram it out to you showing the the different goal at each election. Only took you a handful of responses to catch up.

    You're getting better at this!

    Trump is a Republican, so Trump Republicans exist. (I wonder how many posts until you can figure that one out. Go for a personal best, and try to to it in 3!)

    What other Trump Republicans can run on in their primaries are the ineffectual Republican lifers who get nothing done. Hope! Change! Given the rage against a Republican Congress which promised for years to overturn Obamacare and delivered nothing, that should be good to take down a few of the dinosaurs. Which will encourager les autres.

    With the senate electoral map looking very good for Republicans this year, Trump Republicans can pick up a few seats from the Dems, maybe a few from Republican dinosaurs, and presto, Trump gains a functional working majority in the Senate.

    So much winning!

  • Mark22||

    Well, Chapman's concern trolling is truly touching.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Somebody should be concerned. Trumpcare is supported by 16% of the electorate. Obamacare is at record highs -- as voters see NO GOP alternative (Neither Congress nor the President).

    Republicans are SHITTING all over the outcomes of a free market, by cutting Medicaid -- when Americans ALWAYS paid for universal treatment of the uninsured. So if Republicans have no fucking clue how to provide universal treatment in the free market, as we always had ,.. then Bernie has the ONLY acceptable alternative. See Jefferson and the Founders on Consent of the Governed and Will of The People.

    Obviously, on the facts, the most accurate word in Chapman's title is "suicidal." These misfucks are dragging down the entire country ... because they too are authoritarians. Lady Liberty is totally undefended.

    It's just this simple. Most of what government provides is what the people want, have always wanted and provided BEFORE government did. All we need is to show a better way to provide what people already want.

    Since libertarians (the establishment) have no clue how to DO anything ... the libertarian brand is REJECTED by 91% of LIBERTARIANS ... who are over 60% of the voters! (both per Cato)

    How pathetic is it that the majority of voters have libertarian values .,.. but libertarian ideology consists of masturbating in an ivory tower. NO credible policies for taxes, healthcare, jobs and the economy or even governance.

    Is it time to learn Chinese?

  • buybuydandavis||

    Is it time to learn Chinese?

    YES! Absolutely. The Chinese desperately need you.

  • HenryC||

    Trump has always lashed out at anyone who irritates him. It is not a sign of "war" and anyone with any intelligence knows that. Besides Congress does more than enough to irritate anyone.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Trump has always lashed out at anyone who irritates him

    Yep. A bully and a thug his entire adult life. Now, why is that NOT war to "anyone with intelligence."

    Making deals is NEVER achieved with threats, insults and childish name-calling ... to anyone with REAL intelligence.

  • buybuydandavis||

    I'm sorry you've been so unsuccessful at deal making.

  • tlapp||

    Actually calling out McConnell and the Senate is one thing I can support. If you ran on repealing Obamacare and all the republicans in congress and senate ran on repealing Obamacare, he is correct in calling out their failure to do so. They not only failed by lied and are not an ally.

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