Election 2024

Dave Smith, David Stockman, and Jacob Grier: Who Is The Lesser Evil?

Dave Smith is for Trump. Jacob Grier is for Harris. David Stockman says we're screwed either way.

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Dave Smith, David Stockman, and Jacob Grier: Who Is The Lesser Evil?

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Is this the most important election ever? And who should win? Just asking questions.

Next week, America decides: elect the 78-year-old criminally indicted, twice-impeached ex-president who's pledged to impose a universal tariff of 20 percent and embark on the largest mass deportation in American history; or his opponent, the vice president, swapped in for a malfunctioning Joe Biden, whose first major policy proposal was to cap grocery store prices to fight inflation, and who has trouble explaining how she'd govern any differently than her increasingly unpopular predecessor. It's a close race.

Independents, including libertarians, will likely decide it.

So we've invited three of them on today with three different perspectives to explain their votes. The first is David Stockman. He's the former director of the Office of Budget Management under Ronald Reagan. He served as a U.S. representative, and he says whoever wins we're basically screwed because neither candidate is addressing the most important policy issues facing America today.

Then we'll talk to Dave Smith, a repeat guest on the show, host of the popular Part of the Problem podcast. He says he's reluctantly and probably voting for Trump because of the threat that Kamala Harris—and the political machine that she represents—poses to liberty in America.

And lastly, we'll talk with Jacob Grier, a writer and Reason contributor who says that from a libertarian and small government perspective, the choice is obvious. Donald Trump is an authoritarian threat and Kamala Harris is a far superior choice.

Let's just ask each of them some questions.

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Chapters:
  • 00:00 Coming up…
  • 00:39 Introduction
  • 02:50 David Stockman: Harris and Trump are both intolerable
  • 35:15 Dave Smith: Voting against Harris
  • 01:19:28 Jacob Grier: Voting against Trump