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Reason Roundup

Should the State Pay Stay-at-Home Moms?

Plus: AI doom, trolling the DSA, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 9.9.2026 9:30 AM

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Should the state subsidize stay-at-home parents? The Trump administration has drafted a proposal for a plan that would allow state subsidies to go toward parents who are taking care of their children at home. The administration would not be creating a new program, but rather tapping into the Child Care and Development Fund (CCDF) that was established during the Clinton administration and changing what is eligible for funds, such that married couples making under a certain income threshold can qualify.

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The Clinton-era program was created to support low-income parents—people who make less than 85 percent of their state's median income (or in some states, 60 percent)—who work. It helps fund the care of children up to age 13 and offset the cost of care for 1.3 million children. CCDF funds can be used for daycare centers, home-based daycares, after-school programs, as well as (in some cases) relatives and neighbors who meet state requirements. Parents are not eligible for funds for taking care of their own children. "Under the current rules, most of the money is distributed to states, which in turn distribute it to parents, usually in the form of vouchers or direct deposits to child care providers," reports The New York Times.

The Trump administration—and Vice President J.D. Vance, in particular—are playing a very particular comms game: It's considered traditional (and thus commendable) to have a parent stay at home with the kids. Along with baby bonus Trump Accounts, this is a policy meant to communicate to working-class families that the Trump administration—unlike their out-of-touch opponents—actually cares about regular people with normal values and legitimate financial struggles.

The problem is that it's a terribly designed proposal.

First off, expanding the eligibility without expanding the funding just means that the parents who currently benefit from this proposal would have a much harder time getting close to the same benefits in the future. The program currently pays out $9,000 per child per year; expect those benefits to dwindle if the pool of eligible people is drastically expanded.

Beyond the fact that the right should never give up the fight against welfare and entitlements, this is madness in terms of how the money would be redistributed. Why should a married couple making $95k/year receive money that was intended to help a working single mom making… https://t.co/svKuOKN9Kb

— Beverly Hallberg (@BeverlyHallberg) September 7, 2026

Second, the income cutoffs are severe, not tapered off, as the Ethics and Public Policy Center's Patrick T. Brown illustrates:

One aspect I haven't seen the CCDBG discourse pick up on is that the WH proposal would make the cutoff very severe - a married family with two kids making $74,500 in Kansas could be eligible for a $9,000 at-home subsidy, but one making $75,001 down the street would be ineligible.

— Patrick T. Brown (@PTBwrites) September 7, 2026

Per CCDF, here's what various annual income eligibility cut-offs currently are be for a family of four:
CT: $87,516
KY: $81,864
ME: $130,896
SD: $92,340
OK: $76,524
SC: $83,448
WV: $77,064https://t.co/TamY5VMYlL

— Patrick T. Brown (@PTBwrites) September 7, 2026

Third, the way the program is designed is not such that it will necessarily incentivize parents to stay at home—just that it might incentivize one parent not to work: "Giving cash to daycares for working parents encourages work," notes Lyman Stone on X. "Making a monthly deposit into a household's account and then yanking it back if dad gets a promotion pretty obviously encourages poverty. Also, the program is NOT targeted at parents raising their own kids at home! It is targeted at one-earner households! Many two-earner households don't use childcare and many one-earner households do! If you want to support raising kids at home, awesome! Paying women not to get a paycheck is not doing that!"

I personally think parents staying home with their kids should be more culturally encouraged. As it currently stands, it's a U-shaped curve, where moms from households at the very bottom of the income distribution and at the very top of the income distribution are more likely to stay at home, but moms in middle-income tiers infrequently make that choice.

I don't know whether that decision should be encouraged via public policy, though. And one thing I know for certain is that this specific policy change wouldn't even accomplish what the administration claims. The thing that's perhaps most impressive about this proposal is that it seems to have united much of the policy-wonk right in opposition: Nearly everyone I follow who is conservative and works in family policy sees major problems with the design.

I suppose Friedrich Hayek was right; the road to serfdom is paved with good intentions.


Scenes from New York: "Through an executive order issued on Monday, the mayor is creating the city's first Office of Worker Power to help workers 'get informed, connected and organized,' the administration said in an announcement. The office will be led by Tony Perlstein, a longtime union organizer, who once worked on the docks in Bayonne, N.J.," reports The New York Times. "'We're going to be looking to provide opportunities to working-class New Yorkers to get educated on their rights to form unions and what it means to build power,' Mr. Perlstein said. 'We're going to work to connect workers to organizations that can help them build that power.'"

Zohran Mamdani has talked about increasing "union density" or the number of workers in the city who are in a union, so this appears to be one step toward that.


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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Should the state subsidize stay-at-home parents?

    YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO MAKE THEM MORE EXPENSIVE.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The Trump administration has drafted a proposal for a plan that would allow state subsidies to go toward parents who are taking care of their children at home.

    Kinda figured this had been going on already. As long as the parents aren't also trying educate their offspring while they're at it, the dems ought to be onboard.

    1. NoVaNick   2 months ago

      Yeah, the stay at home moms should start drinking right after the school bus leaves

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    It's considered traditional (and thus commendable) to have a parent stay at home with the kids.

    If you have to pay them to be tradwives, are they actually tradwives?

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      They are all on tiktok slanging goods anyways.

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        And complaining about being oppressed.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Giving cash to daycares for working parents encourages work...

    Someone's not tapped into the learing center paradigm.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      I want to laugh but it is just so true.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      But women keep telling us it's the hardest job in the world and now they're saying it's not even a job. what misogyny.

      1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

        But women keep telling us it's the hardest job in the world

        Some women would kill for it.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    I personally think parents staying home with their kids should be more culturally encouraged.

    RIP Gloria Steinem

  6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

    Should the State Pay Stay-at-Home Moms?

    Of course not.

    But we will hear the usual "arguments" from "libertarians" in favor of doing so anyway:

    1. Look, the Democrats want to give everyone a million dollars and a free pony. So while I don't like the idea of the state subsidizing childcare, Team Red is still better!

    2. WHATABOUTOBAMABIDENHILLARY????

    3. Until the federal government is slashed to 1% of GDP then I will reluctantly support state subsidies for child care. It's either total libertopia or Team Red! Those are the only two options! And since we will never have libertopia in our lifetimes, vote for Team Red!

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      We have too many goodie giveaways for every cause. This one appears flawed for many of the reasons mentioned, aside from the debt being massive and the govt needs to reduce the welfare state

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

        But the dems want to kill the people stopping just the fraud.

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Ive seen too much waffling of people trying to defend paying a 3rd party to watch kids while complaining about paying 1st party. It is insane.

        Not the job of government for either.

        1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

          For sure the dems are absolute fucking hypocrites on this one.

          They are creaming themselves over Mamdani offering free child care, "parents night out", or any reason to pay an additional govt worker money to raise (indoctrinate) your kid. But god forbid you just gave that money to the mom instead.

          And ya, I land in your boat, this isnt what the govt is for, even if someones heart is in the right place (encouraging families, kids etc).

          Jeff isnt getting the response he wanted on this one. I dont think he encounters people that have principles in his normal circles.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   1 month ago

            His basement is a rectangle, not a circle.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 month ago

            Jeff isnt getting the response he wanted on this one.

            lol, you yourself provided exactly the type of response I anticipated, below:

            Team blue has no redeeming qualities and is a full on threat to freedom as we know it.

            The only option really is holding your nose for team red (and hoping for reform), or not voting.

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 months ago

      Cogent argument, Jeff. Thanks for the input.

    3. Zeb   2 months ago

      Fair enough. But I will observe that your prediction is not coming true, so far.
      And yes, people could vote L or something. But I don't think it's irrational to stay within the 2 party system when you vote and pick stupid over evil. Team red is a disaster, but a slightly slower disaster.

      1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

        "Team red is a disaster, but a slightly slower disaster."

        Its absolutely this. Team red really is a mess. Team blue has no redeeming qualities and is a full on threat to freedom as we know it.

        The only option really is holding your nose for team red (and hoping for reform), or not voting. Voting team blue ship sailed sometime in the transition between Obama and "woke 1.0" as they want to brand it. Im not voting for the inmates to run the asylum. I wouldnt trust them to be able to wake up, brush their teeth, and tie their shoes to go to work running a lemonade stand.

    4. damikesc   2 months ago

      It's a bad idea. Not as bad an idea as you are a poster, but a bad one nonetheless.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Through an executive order issued on Monday, the mayor is creating the city's first Office of Worker Power...

    Can the 5-year plans be far behind.

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Looking forward to the theories of where Skynet disappeared Tony Perlstein's body.

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

        I would never....

    2. Ron   2 months ago

      Does NY need "office of worker power" don't they already have an unemployment office that does this already. I think its just more government scam i mean buracracy. also are there no classified adds or craig list or facebook that also do the same for most basic jobs. Of course i haven't looked at a paper in years so maybe there are no more classified adds

    3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

      Also announced Tuesday, the Governors of FL, SC, and TN are opening up out of state branch offices of Business and Economic Development just down the block from NYC city hall

  8. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    To Beverlywhy should we subsidize single mothers?

    1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

      Subsidizing a behavior encourages it.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Canada does this and the single mom's know how many years between each to maximize their grift.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    ...we really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans!

    Skynet is terrible at propaganda.

    For now.

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 months ago

      Just wait til AI learns marketing and graphic design!

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Why do you think Universities are trying to keep AI out.

    3. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

      Or: people at bigger companies really want the government to aggressively regulate the market and destroy smaller competitors. So a moral panic is created and people working in the industry are motivated into believing that everyone else is acting dangerously.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Iran's oil export revenue is drying up as a U.S. naval blockade strangles shipments from the Persian Gulf and offshore stockpiles feeding China dwindle...

    Shhh. Iran is actually winning the war.

  11. Zeb   2 months ago

    No.

  12. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

    "have found that schoolwide food allergen bans have little to no effect on the incidence of allergic reactions."

    Not true, there is at least one study that nut allergy bans caused a stark increase in actual nut allergies, due to proper lack of exposure

  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Here for this nun who sits with unaccompanied kids at their deportation hearings.

    To be fair, the kids are likely to be Catholic.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Evidence that bans are effective has never existed in the scientific literature...

    Although food allergies, like autism, are a recent phenomenon not worth causal investigation.

  15. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    Okay let's brush up on our history today I am watching the matrix
    Terminator
    Lawnmowerman

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 months ago

      Add Maximum Overdrive if you want to know how Skynet plans to affect the food supply.

    2. Rocinante   2 months ago

      And for the future look add Idiocracy.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        Fiction only. Idiocracy is a documentary,

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 month ago

        Apparently skynet won’t let things get to idiocracy.

  16. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Remembering the tarrifpocalypse.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/wheres-1929-style-collapse-msm-predicted-ubs-finds-global-exports-surging-historically

    Hold on to the hope Boehm

    1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

      From the link:

      "...export values are rising about 19% from a year earlier...Higher volumes account for roughly 8.8 percentage points of that increase, while rising prices contribute another 10.3 percentage points...
      ...Asia accounts for 71% of global export growth"

      More than half the growth is due to price increases. The actual growth is occurring in Asia.

  17. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    State department investigating all Mexican Consulates who have set up an entire network teaching illegals how to break US laws.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-department-reviewing-all-mexican-consulates-in-u-s-as-tensions-grow/

  18. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Leftist appointed judges keep getting more retarded after elevating KBJ.

    https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/2097338483618509241

    Kyle Cheney
    @kyledcheney
    JUST IN: D.C. Circuit says IRS decision to share taxpayer info with DHS tens of thousands of violates the law — and that the administration's rebuttal to that claim is "weak sauce."

    documentcloud.org/documents/2860…

  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Gov. JB Pritzker of Illinois is leading a new political group that plans to spend at least $20 million this fall to help Democrats in battleground races in the midterm elections.

    Is that a lot?

  20. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The effort could help Mr. Pritzker, a prominent Trump critic and billionaire who is seeking a third term as Illinois governor, raise his national profile before a potential 2028 presidential bid.

    Dude's a billionaire? Please let Bernie campaign for him.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      He also removed all of the toilets from his house during a property assessment and had it condemned in order to save on property tax

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        Well, that's just smart.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

          “Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands.”
          ― Learned Hand

        2. Zeb   2 months ago

          You don't become a billionaire by leaving money on the table.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Not just any kind of billionaire, a hotel-and-real-estate nepo-baby billionaire. The worst kind.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        He's both the perfect Democrat demagogue and demagogic target.

      2. damikesc   2 months ago

        I thought currency manipulation was the worst kind of billionaire --- but they do love Soros, don't they?

      3. Ajsloss   2 months ago

        How is he going to square his Ozempic usage with the fat-person genocide the DSA is convinced is happening?

  21. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Researchers envision a world in the very near future where humans are barely able to understand the rapid-fire progress happening in their data centers...

    As long as Skynet obeys the not-too-many-white-people-in-generated-images rule throughout its version upgrades.

    1. Eeyore   2 months ago

      I don't think most Americans realize the electricity from the wall comes from a power plant or that beef comes from chopping up a cow. Expecting them to understand something more complicated is kind of a stretch.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        I think these people are talking about the actual devs and engineers losing track. As long as there's a physical plug that can be pulled without fear of getting lasered...

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          Yeah, they're talking about any humans, not your typical human. Which I'm sure will be true. It has already long been the case that no one really completely understands everything that goes into making advanced technology work.

  22. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    After hearing the Clancy jurors had 9 women, most teachers and nurses, it is no wonder why they tried to beat the 3 men into not guilty votes. They even went on TV to admit they pretended to be toxicology experts during deliberation, something not allowed.

    https://x.com/seanmdav/status/2097445154185412668

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    There is something of a major bombshell in that interview that the Karen jurors were too stupid to understand while they were bragging about themselves and trashing the holdout.

    One of the jurors admits that multiple nurses on the jury used their experience and medical background to “explain” toxicology reports to the holdout juror.

    I showed that clip to a trial attorney who immediately saw it as an admission that the pro-Clancy jurors were using outside information and evidence from outside the trial process to bully a juror toward a particular outcome.

    The other reports coming out of loud yelling at hold out jurors and other acts they now brag about on TV would have always ended in a mistrial.

    Now the father of the 3 dead kids is being defamed and accused of killing the kids.

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      I'd take odds that, if at least two of them are nurses, one is a "nurse" the same way Christine Blasey Ford is a neurologist. To wit,

      The other reports coming out of loud yelling at hold out jurors

      That's how it works in hospitals, right? Standard bedside manner. The patient isn't responding to treatment so you just shout "YOU SHOULD BE GETTING BETTER!" at them until they get better or die.

      1. Eeyore   2 months ago

        If the patient isn't cooperating you inject them with something to make them compliant.

        1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

          No no no. If the patient gets difficult you quone them.

    2. Eeyore   2 months ago

      Reminds me of that video from yesterday asking why public school enrollment is down. I think it might be because parents know the teachers are the same jurors in those videos.

    3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

      He couldn't get off the fact that she viciously murdered her three kids.

      There is a valid theory on how he convinced her that she did it.

    4. damikesc   2 months ago

      I loved the whining that the prosecution did not present any character witnesses about her being a bad mom.

      Pretty sure prosecutors cannot call witnesses solely to call the defendant an asshole. Would be prejudicial as all hell.

      ...and if it was known what the jurors were doing, that would led to a mistrial.

      1. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

        It depends. If the defense makes good character an issue, the prosecution can rebut that by pointing out character issues.

        Regardless, though, going after her character was probably not a winning strategy for this jury. They seemed quite predisposed to the defendant. And these types of family annihilating murders are not unheard of and in many instances there’s no history of abuse.

  23. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    From illegals dont receive government benefits to they do, it is a good thing, and we are going to just pay then taxpayer funds directly.

    https://www.arlnow.com/2026/09/08/families-of-wage-earners-detained-by-ice-to-receive-up-to-2k-from-arlington-county/

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      The coinage is Rod Dreher’s and goes back to the early debates on homosexual marriage. As Dreher formulates it, the Law of Merited Impossibility holds: “That will never happen, and when it does, boy will you [homophobes, transphobes, racists, sexists, whatever] deserve it.”

  24. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    There should be a guy at every DSA event who asks the most taboo possible question: what are the costs and benefits of your preferred policy and how might you persuade people to enact it

    Free and at the point of a gun.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      Commies have learned that explaining how their policies can actually be enacted is not a winner politically.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      If you had to cut the childrens' genitals off yourself, would you?
      When are you going to stop fucking goats?
      If you had to abort 100k babies to get elected, would you?
      If your race was 50/50 and Lindsay Clancy strangled enough voters to give you the win, would you pardon her? Pre-emptively?
      etc.

      Andrew Fleischmann and I have very different ideas of what constitutes "the most taboo possible question".

      1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

        Would you rather impregnate your cousin or get a Nazi tattoo on your chest?

  25. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Commifornia. Form an NGO, get elected to council, send millions to your NGO. The Newsome method. Even give your NGO awards.

    https://californiaglobe.com/fl/we-have-the-receipts-california-assemblyman-steers-6-million-to-his-own-nonprofit/

    Of course noticing is racist.

    https://californiaglobe.com/fl/globe-accused-of-hit-piece-over-expose-of-ca-assemblyman-who-sent-6-million-to-his-own-nonprofit-from-state-budget/

    1. Ron   2 months ago

      Well California did just made it a crime to expose crime, just in time i might add for Newsom to escape

  26. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    NYT used to cheer the rise of AI and applauded the possible loss of jobs. Then it hit the Kenyan College essay writing jobs.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/05/technology/kenya-college-essays-ai.html?smid=tw-share

  27. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Britain whistleblower admits only 1% of asylum claims are legitimate. Says most use the same boiler plate statements. This includes over 150 who slept with a presidents wife per claims.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/one-in-100-asylum-claims-are-real-whistleblower-claims-d8768mjnx

  28. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

    While the headline was paying stay at home moms, I wonder about how people feel about stay at home dads. If we have a hypothetical couple who after considering salary and benefits decides that mom continuing to work and dad raises the kids is the best alternative do people support this? What about single sex couple where one of two moms/dads stay home to raise the kids? Bonus question, the family in question is your daughter's, are you okay with you son-in-law staying home while your daughter works?

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      Yeah, do what works best for the particular situation. And raise your own kids if that's possible.

    2. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

      I've known a couple stay at home dads. The cool thing about having a family is you get to decide what works best for your family, and everyone else can fuck off.

      As to whether id be pleased if my daughter married a stay at home dad? Well, does he cook and clean, get the kids ready for school, and still have energy to treat her well? Is she happy? That's all i care about. If he's just a deadbeat dependant, id certainly be miffed. But if my son married a deadbeat gold digger id feel the same.

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        My father was the "stay at home" parent. He was self employed with a flexible schedule, so it worked well. Took us to work a lot so we learned useful and interesting skills in carpentry and light construction as well as music and theatrical production.

        1. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

          that sounds awesome

          covid turned me into a stay at home dad when they closed the trading floors in Chicago. I'm still the primary bread winner, but i'm finished well before the rest of my family gets done with school/work, so school pickup and lots of home chores have fallen my way.

          i still miss the floor a ton, but having so much extra time with my kids is a ridiculous blessing.

      2. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

        The problem being that, statistically, it seems women don't like being the breadwinner in the family supporting her husband.

        " Studies, including notable research published in the American Sociological Review, indicate that marriages where the husband is not employed full-time have an increased likelihood of divorce—roughly one-third higher—than marriages where the husband works full-time.

        Contributing Factors
        Financial Strain: Economic pressure and lack of independent income can introduce stress into the household.

        Social Expectations: Societal scrutiny regarding traditional gender roles can put external pressure on the couple.

        Role Adjustments: Miscommunications regarding domestic versus financial contributions can lower marital satisfaction over time."

        1. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

          that's all true. not going to deny the data, but i'd like to point out that individuals get different outcomes, not just the demographic average. If there's a decision in your life that would greatly enrich it, but it only has a 33% success rate among everyone, should you not even try it? you are an individual, not a statistical average.

          you are right that many (perhaps even most) women don't like being the primary breadwinner. that doens't mean one can't find one that does. The social stigma is real (and you don't seem to be helping much), but strong people can overcome stigma.

          1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

            My point was no intended to be universal, just that it is less likely that a couple will be satisfied by such an arrangement. It does not appear to be a rational response, but an ingrained emotional one, so even if it is intellectually accepted, it still may lead to a bad outcome.

            1. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

              "just that it is less likely that a couple will be satisfied by such an arrangement."

              my point is that this logic only applies to a random couple. No one should make personal decisions based on these stats.

              an absurd example: something like 7% of Americans could pass a calculus test (the exact number doesn't really matter, so try to stay with me). this does NOT mean that I am unlikely to pass a calculus tests. I am like 98% to pass. This also does not mean that my 13 yr old son has a 7% chance of passing calculus. His odds are more like 0.01%.

              Don't let the existence of group statistics turn you or anyone else into a statistic. know yourself. your individual probabilities are likely quite different from the group someone is shoving you into.

        2. Zeb   2 months ago

          Well, that's not a problem if you just stick to "do what works best for your particular situation" (and don't consider the fact that men and women tend to have different preferences and personality traits a problem in and of itself).

    3. Dillinger   2 months ago

      >>I wonder about how people feel about stay at home dads.

      .38, .39 whatever it takes

  29. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Bier remains retarded.

    Cato Institute
    @CatoInstitute
    “If you make legal immigration impossible, don’t complain about illegal immigration. You created it. You made it illegal.” – Cato’s @David_J_Bier in testimony before a House Judiciary Subcommittee.

    1.5M a year is apparently an impossible path.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      Ahh Cato member when they were libertarian? Rev kick remembers

    2. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

      The question of how many people want to come to the US relative to how many people the US can comfortably absorb in a given time period is ignored.

    3. mad.casual   2 months ago

      If you make legally murdering David Bier impossible, don't complain about the illegal murder of David Bier. You created it. You made it illegal.

      At one point Shikha Dalmia made this same retarded "No enemies to the left" argument in a Tweet to the effect of: "No reasonable criticism of Trump can be made that doesn't also criticize the motivations."

      You can't just oppose ICE officers abrogating the law or even Trump's implementation of being tough on immigration or even oppose tough-but-effective immigration policy. You *must* actively support *all* immigration no matter how retarded and self-defeatingly stupid it makes you look.

  30. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    Should the State Pay Stay-at-Home Moms?

    The state shouldn't pay ANYBODY.

    Now, since the state is stealing piles of money and handing it out left and right to everypone with a hand out, sure go ahead and give some of it to stay at home moms. This is better than some other targets of the largesse.

  31. Sylvie1   2 months ago

    Welfare began as payments to allow single mothers (including widows) stay at home with the kids, rather than having to work.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

      I'd rather give subsidies to married homemakers than single moms. incentives matter

  32. See.More   2 months ago

    Should the State Pay Stay-at-Home Moms?

    Uhm, no. Stupid question. Stupid headline. Get better headline creators.

    1. See.More   2 months ago

      Better headline: Trump Proposes More Income Redistribution

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Alternate TDS Headline: Trump seeks to lay off all childcare providers.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      So we should get rid of WIC, the EIC and every other bit of welfare? Because you're always on the pro-welfare up to and including fraud side of every question. This time you're just acting on TDS, not any real stance.

      1. See.More   1 month ago

        [...] Because you're always on the pro-welfare up to and including fraud side of every question[...]

        Wow you are a fucking moron.

        I am never on the pro-welfare side of anything. If you actually read any of my remarks even remotely related to the topic, you would be aware that I speak against parasites and those that enable, even venerate, parasitism with consistency.

        Fuck off with your hallucinations.

  33. See.More   2 months ago

    [...] I personally think parents staying home with their kids should be more culturally encouraged[...]

    Returning to sound money, getting a handle on government spending and debt, reducing the tax burden (by reducing the amount of payouts income redistribution the government grants amongst other things), and restoring the US economy to a state where families more generally can afford to live off one income would go a long, long way to encourage more parents staying home with their kids.

    [...] I suppose Friedrich Hayek was right; the road to serfdom is paved with good intentions[...]

    How generous... and naïve... of you to assume the intentions are good or anything other than pandering to buy votes.

    [...] Seriously, buy it if you haven't already[...]

    Fuck off slaver!

  34. damikesc   2 months ago

    Stories are coming out that Jimmy Kimmel's contract is not getting renewed and his show will be cancelled in May of next year or so when the current season ends.

    Maybe late night can try a little comedy. Fallon might want to start to get a bit nervous.

  35. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>Should the state subsidize stay-at-home parents?

    no. somebody needs to reeducate our Bernie Bro Vice President

  36. JFree   2 months ago

    "Iran's oil export revenue is drying up as a U.S. naval blockade strangles shipments from the Persian Gulf

    So another of the resident tools and useless idiots fails to understand this war. It is not the "blockade" that is doing anything.

    As Marco Rubio said yesterday - Iran continues to try to hit U.S. naval ships, and for every time they do that or try to do that, they're going to lose tankers,

    It's not at all a surprise that we have devolved to an Oradour-sur-Glane (or Gaza/Lebanon) ethic. If you can't fight mano-a-mano with the military, then kill the unarmed/children. Nor is it a surprise now that Iran has said they will respond to attacks on tankers with - more attacks on tankers. This has just changed the war. There will be no more oil/products coming out of the Strait of Hormuz until at least 2029. Get ready for gas/diesel prices to show that now that we have emptied the SPR.

    I would also suspect that axis of evil types will not just ramp up their nuclear weapons programs. They will also build submarines so that a potential enemy can respond more powerfully against any attack by the US against them.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Written by code pink.

      you can't fight mano-a-mano with the military, then kill the unarmed/children.

      Good work jewfree.

      They will also build submarines so that a potential enemy can respond more powerfully against any attack by the US against them.

      Who wants to tell him about Irans submarines?

  37. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>Mr. Pritzker, a prominent Trump critic and billionaire

    lol fat boy so inept his family wouldn't let him in the business.

    1. NoVaNick   2 months ago

      But he had to be good at something or the people of Illinois would not have elected him, right?

      1. Dillinger   1 month ago

        I think the people of Illinois elect whom they are told to elect

  38. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>the most taboo possible question: what are the costs and benefits of your preferred policy and how might you persuade people to enact it

    this by a wide margin is not the most taboo possible question.

  39. Dillinger   2 months ago

    never allow a nurse on your jury.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      I've been dismissed from voir dire after saying "I'm an engineer".

      1. Dillinger   2 months ago

        you might be useful it depends ... nurses otoh never ever

      2. StackOfCoins   1 month ago

        Too rational for jury duty; fuck outta here nerd.

    2. damikesc   1 month ago

      Throw teachers into that list. Not useful and, by and large, education majors are mind-blowing retards.

  40. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

    The problem is that it's a terribly designed proposal.

    The problem is that it's a wealth transfer program. Could be the "best" designed one and it would still be shit.

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

      You'd have to go to a libertarian site to get that perspective.

  41. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    "moms in middle-income tiers infrequently make that choice"

    Because they're bad at math. After paying for childcare and unreimbursed work-related costs (gas, car wear-and-tear from commuting, etc.) if the DID do the math, it very often makes a ton of sense to have one parent of the other quit and stay home to raise the children. Why work 40 hours or more per week for effectively something like $2/hour?

    My brother and his wife, teachers both, did the math. Her income was higher (specialized teaching blind children), so he stayed home with two children until they reach school age. He then took a job at a private school that offered children of faculty free tuition until the kids were about HS age.

    1. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

      so much this. i know waaaaay too many parents that go to work at a job they hate all day every day just to pass the entire paycheck to someone else to raise their kids. madness.

  42. Agammamon   2 months ago

    >just that it might incentivize one parent not to work: "Giving cash to daycares for working parents encourages work,

    See, even you are falling into this conceptual trap.

    1. Housework is still work. A housewife's job/career *is managing a household*. That it isn't directly earning dollars does not mean its not work. FFS, feminists have been whining for generations about 'unpaid labor'.

    2. Is the purpose of life earning money? To make the line go up? Is the greatest victory of feminism the transformation of women into interchangeable economic units of labor?

  43. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    "schoolwide food allergen bans have little to no effect on the incidence of allergic reactions"

    If you feel like you're in an at-risk group, then by all means take whatever measures you feel are reasonable for yourself. You can politely ask me to help you protect yourself, but don't expect me to make any effort to help you though and if you try to force me to do so, there is going to be backlash.

    If your kid is deathly allergic to peanuts, I expect you to teach your kid to not eat peanuts, to carry an epipen in case he accidentally does so, and to politely ask me if the cookies I'm serving might possibly have peanuts in them. If you inform me before hand, I'll probably even make an extra effort to avoid creating an issue for your kid. But if you say "No one who sends a kid to this school can be permitted to have any peanut products in their home because they could be uncaring assholes and let their kids eat peanut butter toast and wipe their hands on their jacket before coming to school and killing my kid." I'll probably say "Fuck you" and slick my kid's hair back with peanut oil and send them to school with a PB&J for lunch. Good thing I don't have kids.

  44. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    What a POS RINO Trump move.
    STOP handing out STOLEN SH*T already!!! GD!!!

  45. NoVaNick   2 months ago

    Wouldn’t paying stay at home moms and dads not to work encourage more work because somebody’s going to have to fill their jobs? Or, if AI really does automate most jobs, then being a parent will be one of the few ways to make money and we will have a baby boom again.

    1. Zeb   1 month ago

      Is AI going to start paying taxes?

      1. NoVaNick   1 month ago

        Yes! The dem socialists told me it will, or at least the tech bros who developed it will.

  46. StackOfCoins   1 month ago

    Should the State Pay Stay-at-Home Moms?? Fuck no. Stop giving people money for having children ffs.

    1. damikesc   1 month ago

      At this point, we desperately need citizens to have children. It is a massive problem.

      Importing the Third World is not a viable solution unless you seek to become the Third World yourself.

      1. StackOfCoins   1 month ago

        Not an argument for an entitlement program.

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