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Haidt's Moment

Plus: The scourge of scromiting, blaming air traffic control, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 8.28.2026 9:30 AM

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Was Jonathan Haidt right all along? Readers of this newsletter—and writers at Reason—are surely divided on this one. On Wednesday of this week, news broke that Meta had reached a humongous $17.1 billion settlement with 47 states and the District of Columbia, forced to pay damages due to child-endangerment claims stemming from its social media algorithms and platforms.

"The owner of Facebook and Instagram agreed to the financial penalties for violating federal child privacy and states' consumer protection laws, the states announced," reports The New York Times. "Meta also agreed to limit how long teenagers can spend on its platforms and to bans on features that stoke mental health issues, striking at the heart of the company's business of engagement for advertising."

"The settlement effectively ends a bellwether federal trial in the U.S. Northern District of California in Oakland, where California, Colorado, Kentucky and New Jersey were seeking roughly $200 billion over accusations that Meta harmed children," adds the Times. Meta, the owner of Instagram and Facebook, at times invoked a Section 230 defense, the "First Amendment of the internet" that makes it so companies don't bear liability for the posts of their users—which Reason has repeatedly defended amid a media landscape that doesn't seem to understand the value of Section 230.

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"After years of being barred from suing social platforms, state prosecutors have gotten creative," wrote Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown earlier this month about the California/Colorado/Kentucky/New Jersey suit. "They're now claiming that this isn't about user-generated speech but about tech companies' product design. In this case, the states claim that providing photo filters is contributing to teens' body dysmorphia and that 'psychologically manipulative' features like displaying post 'like' counts, sending notifications, and using algorithms to curate content around a user's particular interests are what's keeping kids hooked, not the actual content on Facebook and Instagram. It's a silly claim, since clearly there could be no 'addiction' to social media if not for the content or communications contained on these platforms."

"The attorneys general and plaintiffs say that Meta's algorithms trap its users in the infinite scroll, hours of time spent staring at half-naked influencers or malnourished celebrities, images that breed body dysmorphia, anxiety and depression," reads a different Times article. This case was very explicitly built off of arguments and research found in Jonathan Haidt's book The Anxious Generation, which has enjoyed mainstream appeal. "Mr. Haidt met with some of the attorneys general on Zoom, briefing them on his research," the Times continues.

"We're now seeing the dark side of digital technologies in a way that makes it possible for a cultural rejection, a cultural awakening that we can't live this way," Haidt told the Times.

Brown smartly noted earlier this month that "no one can actually say whether social media use causes teen problems or whether excessive reliance on social media is simply a symptom of struggling socially or already suffering from mental distress."

Regardless of where you come down on child-harm arguments, the real thing that should unite libertarians is the fact that Meta's predictably interested in using the levers of the law to screw over its competitors:

after the initial shock of the settlement headlines yesterday, it took me a bit to see just how much Meta is putting the screws to its competitors https://t.co/yyxaxIMSig pic.twitter.com/rwHnjmGeRy

— rat king 🐀 (@MikeIsaac) August 27, 2026

"In the sunlight of the next day, Meta's settlement looks less like a child safety 'win' and more like a prosecutorial gun aimed at TikTok, Snap, and YouTube," writes Adam Kovacevich, who works in tech messaging for Democrats, on X. "Meta's contingent settlement payment is essentially a bounty: billions more for states if its rivals are brought into the settlement regime. Meta even admitted that teens restricted on Instagram will migrate elsewhere, so its goal is to make its competitors less engaging for teens too."

Predictable, yes.

In an ideal world, the mechanisms through which we would curb teen's social media use—which I feel awfully Haidt-aligned on, personally—would be smaller-scale and not enforced by the government: Parents would refuse to give children and teenagers phones until they have already developed both attention spans and a modicum of self-regulation; schools would aggressively crackdown on smartphone use during instructional hours; social-media time would be limited by families. There's still such a thing as parenting, you know, and it's kind of wild how (to borrow from Haidt), we're dealing with "overprotection in the real world and underprotection in the virtual world" en masse, when this is a choice made by today's parents. The companies aren't forcing their hands.

That said, it's a very difficult collective action problem: When schools and other parents aren't adopting common-sense restrictions, it becomes more fraught for one single family to do so, thus relegating their teenager to years of pariahdom. Haidt understands this, and even cites research on how young adults say "they would PREFER to live in a world with no TikTok or Instagram," that "they feel trapped" and feel like "they have to use these platforms because….everyone else is using them, and they would pay money to have everyone stop, which would allow them to stop."


Scenes from New York: Former Reasoner Emma Camp is on fire right now:

Since everyone liked my rent control video so much, I thought you might enjoy another video I made about some maddening NYC housing policy.pic.twitter.com/mxVcWjmcfk

— Emma Camp (@emmma_camp_) August 27, 2026


QUICK HITS

  • Another one bites the dust: "Ratko Mladic, the former Bosnian Serb general whose actions during the Balkan wars of the 1990s led to him being called the 'Butcher of Bosnia' and who was held responsible for Europe's deadliest massacre since World War II, the killing of some 8,000 Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in 1995, has died in custody in The Hague. He was 83," reports The New York Times.
  • Look, if you're "scromiting" then I think you have bigger problems than pot.
  • "Federal aviation officials have found that two air-traffic controllers left work early before an Air Canada regional jet crashed into a firetruck at LaGuardia Airport in March," reports The Wall Street Journal. "The Federal Aviation Administration is moving to fire the two controllers, who officials determined had left about an hour before their shifts ended on March 22, people familiar with the matter said. As a result, two controllers remaining at the LaGuardia tower didn't have backup to assist with high workloads."
  • "The Trump administration acted illegally when it labeled the artificial intelligence start-up Anthropic a security risk and barred the company from working with the U.S. government, a federal judge ruled on Thursday," reports The New York Times. "Judge Rita Lin of the U.S. District Court in the Northern District of California wrote in her 59-page ruling that the government had unlawfully retaliated against Anthropic 'for constitutionally protected expressive activities' after the A.I. company spoke out about how its technology should be used. 'The empty invocation of national security is not a blank check to punish and retaliate against government critics,' she wrote."

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    ...the 'Butcher of Bosnia' and who was held responsible for Europe's deadliest massacre since World War II, the killing of some 8,000 Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in 1995, has died in custody in The Hague.

    First Dolly and now this.

    1. BYODB   2 months ago

      What is Tim Curry, chopped liver?

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

        And your treating Peter Cullen like a rented mule

    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

      250,000 British girls raped, countless mass murders by car rammings, daily stabbings, 1000's of churches burned to the ground....history tells us the good guys always win.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        It would have been preferable if he had simply helped them find Christ. The Hague might have still nicked him for that, though.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

          They want to put Britians in jail for 2 years for flying the national flag because it might make the 'immigrants' feel unwelcome. Pretty sure you get the instant death penalty for trying to convert them, as Allah commands.

    3. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

      Let us check in on the muslim situation in Ceuta:

      'Immigrants' attackn spanish military with rocks, military members sustain injuries and retreat. Surrendering military equipment.

      Fedup spanish citizens try to oust 'immigrants, spanish police shoot citizens with rubber bullets. Defending the 'immigrants' who just attacked them and are raping and shitting all over Ceuta.

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        This is why I advocate a violent revolution against the Socialists in Spain, complete with Mussolini treatment for the leadership.

  2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    If you were seeking $200 billion and got only $17 billion, did you win or fail?

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      Maybe they're picking up some of Trump's negotiation style.

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

        LOL

    2. Square = Circle   2 months ago

      The sad thing being they went and made that terrible-looking movie and now they don't even need it.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Meta also agreed to limit how long teenagers can spend on its platforms...

    Are the kids using Facebook? How about limiting how much Facebook content adults can force on other adults.

  4. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    Look, if you're "scromiting" then I think you have bigger problems than pot.

    From the article:It remains unclear how common scream-vomiting is among cannabis users.

    Pro tip: It’s not common.

    1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

      The fact that this was unknown until 20 years ago and thought to be "brought on" by "new" high THC cannabis and legal availability tells me that either this is more complicated than claimed or you need to be an extremely heavy chronic user to a degree practically unachievable before 2020 to trigger it.

      Maybe something newly present/common in the past 20 years is a contributing factor.

      Or perhaps it's just another example of how snowflake millennials and zoomers ruin everything. Just walk it off wuss.

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        My guess would be that it's mostly because of the much more common availability of edibles and high potency extracts which allow you to consume way more than is practical with just smoking weed, however potent. While it is almost never deadly, THC overdose is definitely possible, especially from edibles where one can easily consume way too much long before feeling any effects.

        1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

          Also the condition is similar to serotonin syndrome which can be brought on by SSRI's. The timing for SSRI's being a contributing factor makes sense, but there is not much else to back up my hunch.

        2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Had a friend who is a non smoker try a 6mg zyn, he puked.

          Any passive increase in a drug can cause nausea. So agree with your assessment.

          1. mad.casual   2 months ago

            For all my opposition to the stupidity of 'gluten sensitivity', I wouldn't disagree if someone thought the opposite phenomenon was going on. That, with the proliferation of edibles, more people were discovering that cannabinoids, even in normal doses, are not for them.

            I've always had a problem with mixing tobacco and alcohol. Zyn packets (but not others) never fail to give me the hiccups.

        3. Square = Circle   2 months ago

          While it is almost never deadly, THC overdose is definitely possible, especially from edibles where one can easily consume way too much long before feeling any effects.

          Yeah - we were in Amsterdam for New Years 2000 and a friend who didn't have much experience with edibles was having an infused cake in a coffee shop and since we were in a hurry she just stuffed the whole thing in her mouth as all of us tried to tell her that wasn't a good idea. She wound up having to go back to the hotel. No scromiting, though.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Alcohol users: Uh, yeah, that scromiting thing is wild! Totally never seen anyone dance vomiting, walk vomiting, cheer vomiting, drink vomiting, eat vomiting, sleep vomiting, smoke vomiting, or any-other-activity-while-vomiting before. Weed users are messed up.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Federal aviation officials have found that two air-traffic controllers left work early before an Air Canada regional jet crashed into a firetruck...

    "What'd I miss?"

  6. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    Judge Rita Lin of the U.S. District Court in the Northern District of California

    I found the problem.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    ...Meta had reached a humongous $17.1 billion settlement with 47 states and the District of Columbia, forced to pay damages due to child-endangerment claims stemming from its social media algorithms and platforms.

    Wonder what the kids are going to do with all that money.

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      That’s some funny stuff right there.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Stop a gamestop short?

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Scenes from New York: Former Reasoner Emma Camp is on fire right now...

    Hopefully not while chanting "Free Palestine".

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

      I get one spicy comment per Roundup and this is what I chose today.

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        I would've also accepted, "while coming in from Canada to LaGuardia."

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      If your old colleagues have to hype your columns up, youre not likely actually excelling.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      Former Reasoner Emma Camp is on fire right now...

      Someone should piss on her to put her out.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        Why would you take my wholesome comment and sully it.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

          Set a man a fire, and he's warm for the night. Set a man afire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.

          1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

            Is that Confucius?

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The empty invocation of national security is not a blank check to punish and retaliate against government critics...

    Since when.

  10. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    Emma suddenly discovered the difference between low income and poor.

  11. mad.casual   2 months ago

    a media landscape that doesn't seem to understand the value of Section 230.

    Notably Reason, to wit;

    "After years of being barred from suing social platforms, state prosecutors have gotten creative," wrote Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown earlier this month about the California/Colorado/Kentucky/New Jersey suit. "They're now claiming that this isn't about user-generated speech but about tech companies' product design.

    *Without* Section 230 and with more rigorous enforcement of the 1A, State prosecutors wouldn't be pursuing this, users would.

    *Users*, people directly harmed, would be suing Meta for creating body dysmorphia via incipient algorithms the same way they would sue any other product manufacturer for allowing defects and emergent harms to go unchecked and stack up until they rather predictably hurt or killed someone.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      It is due to their stunted belief that 230 means no online companies have to follow common industry rules and regulations. From contracts to consumer law.

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        And, more critically, that the underlying morals and principles don't apply.

        You spread lies and disinformation to the point that a mob burned down a police station on national television and you thought you'd get more and more enduring protection than a manufacturer knowingly allowing toxins to seep into their food products? Really?

        1. mad.casual   2 months ago

          It's kind of like the AOC "Woke 1 was crazy." and the media reporting on her turn.

          To borrow a paraphrase from Bill Burr, "Bitch, you were in the hot tub right next to her the whole time!"

          It's not like the media or libertarianism was saying, "OK, burning down a police station is pretty fucked up." or "Seriously, rioting and looting is not how you do serious social reform." It was "It's not enough to be passively non-racist, we must be actively anti-racist."

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      YouTube should owe 100x the revenue they earn from "demonitized" creators that broke no laws

  12. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    More updates on shipping.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/qatar-and-kuwait-restore-70-pre-war-oil-exports-through-hormuz

    Kuwait and Katar at 60 to 70% pre war shipping UAE at 100%

    This is why Iran is getting desperate.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      WTI crude under $83 and dropping.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Best part is multiple ME countries are now discussing pipelines to bypass the strait completely, shutting out irans threats completely.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

          Pipelines are soft targets for drones unless you bury them.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Of that was the worry then nothing would ever be built.

            Boats are a soft target for drones as well.

  13. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    https://x.com/JoeChalfant/status/2093041042085892385

    In a 2025 appearance on the Higher Learning podcast, Democrat candidate James Talarico called the idea that Christians are the "villains" of American society "spot on."

  14. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    This screeching spoiled child is running for Senate...and thinks this is an ad that will get people to vote for her?

    https://x.com/Kentuckygirl1/status/2092698595216568424

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      That is not a room decorated by an adult.

    2. Ajsloss   2 months ago

      Fugly Slut.

    3. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

      It has a cameraman. Creepy

    4. damikesc   2 months ago

      If I did not know better, I'd assume that this was a parody ad made by her opponent.

  15. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    I'm finally for H1B. How can these yacht club members who paid 100k initiation fee and thousands a year live without cheap labor in the kitchens. Definitely not enough cooks in the US.

    https://nypost.com/2026/08/27/us-news/hamptons-yacht-club-forced-to-cancel-restaurant-service-after-kitchen-staff-kicked-out-of-us/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter

    WAIT. Why dont they set up a food truck lot??

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      It is impressive how the concept of "high school or college kids" as employees is just beyond the pale for them.

    2. Moonrocks   2 months ago

      The question, as always: why can't they offer a living wage so they can hire Americans?

    3. See.More   2 months ago

      [...] WAIT. Why dont they set up a food truck lot??

      Uh. The lot doesn't go to sea. And food trucks sink.

      Set up a food truck barge and now you're cookin'!

  16. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Scenes from LA:

    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/taxpayer-funded-sexual-relief-program-190232783.html

    Taxpayer-funded 'sexual relief' program proposed for homeless in Los Angeles

    A private citizen recently stood in front of a podium and asked Los Angeles City Council politicians to fund a "pilot program" for sexual gratification clinics.

    "I would like to propose that Los Angeles consider a pilot program for free hygienic, sexual relief clinics, primarily serving the homeless and unhoused," the private citizen said on Aug. 11.

    The basic premise is to have taxpayers fund the program so the homeless could pleasure themselves or their partners in these "sexual relief clinics," instead of having rampant sex on skid row during the middle of the day.

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      There must be something bad in the water in California.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Think there is something bad in their education system.

      2. damikesc   2 months ago

        Greenhut is likely blaming the CA GOP for this as well.

    2. Yuno Hoo   2 months ago

      "Think of the JOBS!!" 😉

      1. Ersatz   2 months ago

        mostly for people who are good with their hands

    3. mad.casual   2 months ago

      This is better than Enes Kanter trolling the WNBA. They should make a draft. Women between the ages of 18 and 26 have to sign up for selective service to jerk off the homeless.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Are you a biologist of the homeless??? Some identify as women.

        1. See.More   2 months ago

          Are you a biologist of the homeless??? Some identify as women.

          They still have dicks to jack...

        2. Agammamon   2 months ago

          They can have women - are you some sort of bigot who discriminates by gender in sexual partners?

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            I just feel sorry for the person assigned to the guy on fentanyl. All day job.

        3. mad.casual   2 months ago

          As long as we all agree that women have always been the primary victims of homelessness *and* lack of access to sexual relief, that's what matters.

    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      "And you can use the hole any day except tuesday"
      "why not Tuesday"
      "Tuesday is your day behind the hole"

      1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

        LOL. Thanks, Rev.

    5. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

      Ok, I had heard about the needles and the feces, but this is the first I’m hearing about “rampant sex on skid row in the middle of the day.” Maybe this homeless thing could be kinda fun?

      Just kidding. Gross.

  17. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    How dems scam ghe elderly for donations from scam pacs.

    https://data4democracy.substack.com/p/hook-and-squeeze

    They have become common criminals.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      Well, it was their fault for not stopping themselves from getting ripped off.

      I do notice how many people aren't asking "If these people did not do the donations...WHO DID?"

      Any bets on how many of these phantom donations are not from inside the USA?

  18. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Scenes from Iran:

    Long lines for buying gas, plus...

    The Iran Chamber of Commerce Research Center admits the staggering scale of Iran’s economic devastation, with millions of livelihoods crushed and the real numbers likely far worse.

    ▪️770,000 fewer people employed by winter compared with spring. 󠁯
    ▪️1.35 million people left the labor force entirely, no longer working or even looking for work. 󠁯▪️611,000 fewer workers covered by Social Security. 󠁯
    ▪️Underemployment jumped from 6.6% to 8.2%. 󠁯
    ▪️Businesses employing 6–10 workers collapsed by 22.3%, while 11–50 worker firms fell 14.2%.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

      No way the mullahs get reelected.

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

        Lol. Do they allow mail in voting?

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Iran is winning bigot.

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        And at 20 total deaths, 500 wounded (and the vast majority of those are TBI and non-debilitating concussions).

        Imaging going back in time and telling Reagan or Carter or The World about the current situation. Telling The Ayatollah their theocratic dictatorship would be collapsed by a real estate mogul incurring fewer deaths than his predecessor's botched withdrawal from Kabul.

        Admittedly, still work to be done and the winds of fate can be fickle, but, holy fuck, collapsing two regimes with less than 100 total lives lost would be insane highlights in military history.

        Even from a rather libertarian perspective; imagine you could go back in time and wipe out the Nazis or the Soviets with the selective application of 100 lives.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          They also completed clearing the mines iran deployed yesterday. How this isnt more morally mentioned is shocking. Then again, media barely acknowledged iran mined a waterway.

          1. mad.casual   2 months ago

            Then again, media barely acknowledged iran mined a waterway.

            Muh Globulism! and Bordurz! media.

            Iran mines a critical international waterway and launches missiles at 7 different countries, operates through proxy terror organizations in multiple foreign countries and "Maybe Canada should eliminate their tariffs too." is a breath of fresh air from a libertarian magazine.

            1. damikesc   2 months ago

              And it's not like Iran mining waterways is a new thing. Did it in the 1980's as well and we had to deal with that crap (Operation Praying Mantis).

        2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 months ago

          I have a better hypothetical.

          Imagine President Kamala Harris attacked Iran because Israel wanted her to. Is there any way you would be painting a rosy picture of the war?

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            You really going to try this route?

            Ive been calling out iran since before Obama. Because they actually violate the NAP. 4 decades of funded terrorism. Extra costs from insurance for global trade.

            But sure, I must be brainwashed by AIPAC.

            To think you used to be a serious person.

            Join the other dumb blame israel morons.

            Notice you dont have an actual argument aside from blame the jews lol. What facts are wrong? What isnt rosy? Make a fucking argument.

            1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 months ago

              "blame the jews"

              This is just as weak as progressives calling people "white nationalists" for believing the US should enforce a border.

              My argument is that the best thing about Trump's first term, and Trump's takeover of the GOP in general, was that it served as a repudiation of the Bill Kristol wing of the party. The wing that got us into the Iraq War. The wing that would have been OK with nominating Jeb in 2016, and probably wouldn't have been upset if he lost to Clinton.

              Now Trump has done the one incredibly stupid thing I was confident he wouldn't do: started an unpopular war with Iran. That's not "America first." That's a play right out of the neocon era that I thought we moved past.

              BTW the "CK" in your name is Charlie Kirk, right? Didn't he go on record multiple times stating war with Iran was a terrible idea?

              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                Did you write this sandy??

                Imagine President Kamala Harris attacked Iran because Israel wanted her to.

                Was that not the crux of your hypothetical??

                Youre becoming like the people you used to mock. Then cry claim you didnt say what you clearly said.

                My argument is that the best thing about Trump's first term, and Trump's takeover of the GOP in general, was that it served as a repudiation of the Bill Kristol wing of the party.

                Thats odd. Because your parody was of liberaltarians and their standing for dem welfare programs and victim elevation programs. When did you make this parody or argument?

                So what is more dumb. Tacitcly supporting, and funding under democrats, the number one investor of global terrorism by ignoring their actions... or acting on the actions they've taken. Do you know what the NAP means?

                The biggest and dumbest lie ever told by the Code Pink style anti war libertarians was that Islam would be peaceful if not for the jews or the US. Despite all evidence. It is intentional ignorance of Islam as a religion and as a culture. Despite global terrorism, despite them literally telling your their goals, despite then saying they would use western institutions as a weapon... you all still have this retarded belief that Islam would be fine if everyone ignored their violence and goals.

                And yes, unlike you CK made arguments as to why he was against the war, he didnt reflexively make claims like you just did. He made a fucking argument.

                But just like those you used yo mock, you think that stating CK was against intervention, it means I have to as well.

                By the way, that post went up because if legtist violence. A call out to the left using violence as any means necessary. Not a definiton of me never disagreeing with CK. What a childish fucking argument.

                Yet you seem to now be in the boat of ignore Islamic violence.

                You used to be better than this, but apparently simple thoughts and slogans and logic creation is your new style.

                1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 months ago

                  You got me. Some of my political views are sufficiently basic that they can indeed be adequately expressed as simple slogans. Such as "Starting an unpopular, unnecessary war is dumb politics" and its corollary "If you wouldn't defend an elective war started by a (D) President, you shouldn't defend the same war started by an (R) President."

                  1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                    What you continue to do is not actually make a fucking argument. Why is it unnecessary. I can tell you why it is unpopular, basically a corporate media cheering against it. Thats the summation of the people against it. A forced ignorance of decades of terrorism.

                    And even this response you are intentionally ignoring arguments. Why?

                    Syria wasn't a leading sponsor of terrorism that included attacks against the US and others, that wasn't hacking US infrastructure, etc. Yet you want to to equate both examples as the exact same fucking thing. IE the crux of your argument is ignorance, just ignore reality and what Iran actively does.

                    Can you truly not be honest enough to get past the "during all violence/war bad" sloganeering?

                    How is your argument any different than the no prison, no cops left? They too ignore the consequences of their facile and sophomoric beliefs. Youre doing the exact same shit.

          2. mad.casual   2 months ago

            I have a better hypothetical.

            So, to be clear, while the rest of us are talking about history and facts, you want to discuss hypotheticals about Kamala Harris and The Joos?

            a rosy picture of the war?

            This war so far is no-shit rosier than pretty much any healthcare system on the planet. Forget MAID, accidental deaths from surgery and medical malpractice is 10X more people *per week* than the Iran War/Conflict has been *in total*.

            Iran has been more belligerent to more foreign nations in and outside the region than Russia has been in their respective region and it's entirely possible it will be fixed with fewer lives lost than a large hospital network will kill in a year and you want to equivocate about Kamala "Can't even win a Presidential campaign that was handed to her." Harris?

            It's not even "Are you parody, or serious?" anymore. You're turning into another sad, pointless equivocator, like sarcasmic.

            I mean, even if I am suffering from TDS, at least he's the fucking President. JFC.

            And to address the spirit or theme of your retardation; Yeah, AOC or MTG or Tulsi Gabbard topples Iran, or Russia, or North Korea with less loss of life than a week of your average European heatwave, whatever other faults they may have, good on them. The government of Iran is fucking evil, fuck you for being a suicidally-retarded quizzling in defense of them.

            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

              I bet you she doesnt even know that Trump and others have been discussing the terrorism and lives lost in their sponsorship since the fucking 80s. She had to go assert it was because the joos asked the president. Then act offended when called out.

              1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 months ago

                You want to psychoanalyze why I'm saying all this?

                It's probably because the US Military decisively winning wars - in a way that we look back and say "Yeah, that was worth fighting" - is something I'm only familiar with because of US History class. Since I've been alive, our track record hasn't been great.

                The Iraq War initially had solid public support. Now it's so widely seen as a blunder, that part of Trump's 2016 appeal was his disconnection from the GOP establishment that got us into that war!

                Even the Afghanistan War, which had greater public and Congressional support, ended with that humiliating withdrawal that shrike constantly tried to downplay.

                Of course the Iran War isn't identical to those (no BOOTS ON THE GROUND!!!!) but it also wasn't even that popular at the beginning. "Oh darn, this looks like another mistake" is a totally rational response for anyone who's been awake for the past couple decades.

                1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

                  "Imagine President Kamala Harris attacked Iran because Israel wanted her to"

                  It was IN YOUR QUESTION!

            2. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 months ago

              I applaud your consistency then.

              I'm consistent, but in the anti-war direction. If President Harris got us into war with Iran, I'd say I couldn't believe she did something that stupid. I'd also say that makes consecutive Democratic Presidents whose terms were worse than Trump's 2017 - 2020 run from a foreign policy POV.

              But we don't live in that hypothetical. We live in the version where, despite effectively kicking Bill Kristol and David Frum out of the party, Republicans have dusted off their neocon playbook: If you oppose toppling bad governments, you're pro-dictator! So yes, I'm pro-Iranian-regime in the same way I'm pro-Saddam and even pro-Castro if you want to go back that far.

          3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

            Iran fucking sucks. I could care less who fucks them up. They’ve earned it.

  19. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago


    Christopher Landau

    @DeputySecState
    While we’re on the topic of asylum abuse, let me share another gem with you. The
    @StateDept
    recently completed a comprehensive review of DIPLOMATIC and OFFICIAL visas issued to representatives of foreign governments to enter the US over the 5-year period from 2019 through 2023. To be clear, these are visas that allowed their holders to enter our country on diplomatic or official business ON BEHALF OF THEIR HOME COUNTRY’S GOVERNMENT (in technical terms, “A” and “G” visas). Well, it turns out that many of THESE people sought asylum in our country. Let that sink in: people who were allowed to enter our country on behalf of a foreign government claimed that they must be allowed to stay because they faced persecution BY THAT VERY GOVERNMENT.
    The first chart below shows the numbers from the 10 most egregious countries (I’ve removed the countries’ names because, as you might expect, we’re taking this up through diplomatic channels.) Yes, you read that right: there’s one country from which 420 persons who entered on diplomatic or official visas during this period sought asylum (classified as an “I-589 event”), and 2 other countries had over 200.

    https://x.com/DeputySecState/status/2092776290478612890

  20. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Of course they did, who expected anything other than this? It's all about the Jew-hatred, not the politics.

    https://freebeacon.com/elections/exclusive-multiple-abdul-el-sayed-donors-also-gave-thousands-to-hitler-praising-jew-hating-dan-bilzerians-congressional-run/

    Multiple Abdul El-Sayed Donors Also Gave Thousands to Hitler-Praising, Jew-Hating Dan Bilzerian's Congressional Run

    The far-left El-Sayed and right-wing, antisemitic troll Bilzerian have absolutely no political views in common except for a strong opposition to Israel

    More than a dozen donors to the Hitler-praising, neo-Nazi congressional campaign of Dan Bilzerian have also contributed to Michigan Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed—in many cases spreading thousands of dollars between the two candidates, the Washington Free Beacon found.

    Bilzerian, a far-right social media influencer with a trust fund, and El-Sayed, a far-left epidemiologist, have no policy overlap except strong opposition to AIPAC and Israel, but their donors include a man who has equated Zionism to Nazism and a Texas subprime auto loan entrepreneur who also threw his weight behind Israel-bashing Republicans like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      How much is AIPAC paying you huh?? - qb. Probably.

  21. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Tell Michiganders you hate an iconic part of Michigan, yeah, that's a great idea! But if there's enough Somalis, it might work.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/watch-el-sayed-praised-beautiful-sense-community-abroad-blasted-white-supremacy-racism-us

    Michigan Democratic Senate nominee Abdul El-Sayed described Americans as "desperate to feel something" and lamented that "we’re just all living it alone here" while reflecting on the community he experienced during extended childhood stays in Egypt during a podcast episode last year — remarks uncovered after the candidate recently declared that he "hates" one of his home state’s most iconic destinations.

    During a late-October 2025 podcast interview, after getting asked what Americans could gain from life "back home," El-Sayed had a one-word answer: "Community."

    "I think the hardest part about American life right now is that we’ve been, like, deeply atomized," El-Sayed said, arguing that the connections offered through phones and social media are "not community." In Egypt and other societies with far more constant human interaction, he said, "you’re constantly enveloped in other people’s humanity."

    Later in the speech, while discussing the Flint water crisis and the country's political climate, El-Sayed said he had watched American politics "revert to a strain of White supremacy and racism I never thought we’d go back to."

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      ..you’re constantly enveloped in other people’s humanity."

      It’s true, I’ve been there, and it doesn’t smell very good.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      Perhaps the Serbian that killed 8000 Muslim invaders was on to something

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        Vlad Tepes had it sorted, that's for sure.

      2. Jesse fantasizes about having a 3some with Dave Smith and Maddow   2 months ago

        “8000 Muslim invaders”

        They were Bosnians. Bosnia is in Europe.

        You people are sick.

        1. Jesse fantasizes about having a 3some with Dave Smith and Maddow   2 months ago

          *Bosniaks

    3. Agammamon   2 months ago

      I mean, he's not wrong about the 'atomized'. Democrats in big cities have worked really hard for several generations to sever the ties between people in communities and replace it with dependence on government.

      Too bad people like this guy and the rest of the DSA aren't actually offering policies to counter this but policies to *accelerate* it.

  22. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Shellenberger thread on reality, countering media narratives. The left has become extreme, not the right.

    https://x.com/shellenberger/status/2092272942998794519

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      .

  23. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    She crowed about getting crosswalk lines painted. Took 8 months. Street is still cracked.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/councilwoman-who-many-thought-could-be-big-time-mayor-brags-about-8-month-project-that-should-take-two-minutes/ar-AA2b3Wr6

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      This is why you can’t elect chicks into office.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Thats still a success in california.

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        No wonder she beat Spener Pratt in the mayor race. She clearly has her shit together.

    3. Zeb   2 months ago

      If they tried to pave the street too, it probably would have taken 10 years and cost millions of dollars.
      Pretty fucking pathetic what she claims as her successes, though. Her main accomplishments seem to be this and removing some no u-turn signs so that gay dudes can cruise more easily and suck each other off in public.

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        Next week they will pave right over the new stripes.

        1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

          And then dig a trench through the new pavement to fix the sewer.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

            And then lay a steel plate over the trench, said plate will remain in situ for 11 months.

    4. Agammamon   2 months ago

      Its kinda funny. Back in the mid 1990's I was in Japan waiting for a flight out to meet my ship. While working on base a group of about 20 of us repainted the center lines of the base's streets in about a week, with rollers and tape. All someone had to say was 'this is what you're doing today' and we just went out and did it.

      There was no need for a massive plan review, no paperwork, no need for endless approvals. We just went and did it.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Eagle scout projects used to do just this all the time when I was growing up.

  24. Yuno Hoo   2 months ago

    attorneys general and plaintiffs say that Meta's algorithms trap its users in the infinite scroll

    The horror of 'infinite scroll'! How about just forcing a break every five hits? At least then users would get more exercise.

    1. Corey   2 months ago

      In my perfect world, electronic devices such as cell phones and game consoles can only be charged by a special generator coupled to an exercise bike. Irresistible force meets immovable object.

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        Alternator on treadmills or cable/lifting dynamos.

        The old "bike hooked up to a lightbulb" demonstration doesn't work in the specific, modern context. Old incandescent bulbs would consume pretty much all 100W of power a recreational cyclist could generate as soon as they stopped pedaling. Hot plates and 500W microwaves were even more "immovable". For phones, 20W is the baseline for "fast charging" and will charge a phone to 100% in about an hour.

        Treadmill motors have to maintain torque at speed with 150-200 lbs. slapping down on them. If they're not powered, it takes a lot of force to push the belt with any speed at all. Similar with dynamos using muscles other than just your legs.

        A bike would be better than the couch but is nowhere near an "immovable object".

    2. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

      Short attention span is not now, never has been, and never will be an objectively defined "harm." Everything in this sorry episode was fabricated from beginning to end out of pure imagination for the sole purpose of giving government officials an excuse to push scapegoats around. Meta has a lot of money and has no incentive to resist this abuse by government. It's a set-up.

  25. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Sales tax increase squandered? City still way overspent and critical things underfunded. Property taxes were cut, then increased and increased again, basically back to the original levels 3 years later. Most of the money goes to paying back loans the city took from their pension funds...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/dem-governor-candidate-promised-tax-hikes-would-save-his-county-here-s-what-locals-got-instead/ar-AA2b3fZo

    David Crowley has Milwaukee Co. facing a $50 million budget deficit in 2027. It will be $160 million in 2031. In 2024, Crowley doubled the sales tax in Milwaukee Co. and got an 8.5% pay raise out of it.

    As County Exec, Crowley has raised property taxes 5 out of 6 years—while crushing Milwaukee County residents with the highest sales tax in the state. All while still facing a $168 million deficit.

    In 2025, the tax was expected to bring in $83.6 million. About $57.8 million was projected to go toward the county's pension shortfall, $18.9 million toward repaying Pension Obligation Bonds and $6.8 million toward regular pension costs

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Cmon man. Raising taxes will lead to deficit reductions and not more spending next time. - kmw.

      1. DesigNate   2 months ago

        KMW is Nelson?

  26. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Guys, enjoy this week. If you've noticed many names missing. Payment required went into effect yesterday. But 1st if the month is back next week, so we will see the return of some of our favorite posters soon.

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      Hope not.

    2. BYODB   2 months ago

      Didn't see even one gray box yet.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Nelson is still around sadly.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        There's a SQRLSY grey box over on the brickbat.

    3. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Suddenly, the re-emergence of "Sandra (formerly OBL)" makes a lot more sense.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        They all came out at the exact same time for the Boehm article. Wonder which immigrant NGO funds them.

    4. Jesse fantasizes about having a 3some with Dave Smith and Maddow   2 months ago

      Where are you getting your information?

    5. Rick James   2 months ago

      Libertarianism Plus is in full swing then...

  27. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Scenes from Wisconsin:

    https://pjnewsletter.com/dem-wisc-maga/

    On primary night, Cooke declared, “If I see someone with a MAGA hat on, I’m shaking their hand.” Days later, her campaign launched a two-day “Coming Together Tour,” advertising the events as “free and open to the public” and saying, “all are welcome.”

    A Stevens Point woman took Cooke at her word. She showed up to the “Coming Together Tour” wearing a MAGA hat with an American flag draped over her shoulders. She was denied entry at the door.

    This is the liberal tolerance scam, stripped bare. They demand equality. They champion diversity. They insist everyone deserves a seat at the table. But the second a conservative shows up – hat and all – there’s suddenly a velvet rope. We’ve seen it on college campuses where “inclusive” administrators disinvite conservative speakers. We’ve seen it in corporate boardrooms where “diversity” means every viewpoint except a traditional one. Cooke just gave us the campaign-trail edition.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      "She showed up to the “Coming Together Tour” wearing a MAGA hat with an American flag draped over her shoulders."

      Does she always go about with a MAGA hat and an American flag draped over her shoulders, or was this merely a stunt to provoke and endear herself to her supporters?

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        ...does it matter?

        If you're proclaiming a "Coming Together Tour", then you should be forced to live up to the terms YOU profess.

        1. mtrueman   2 months ago

          "you should be forced to live up to the terms"

          A hat and a flag is not enough. If she wants to force anyone she needs a gun, knife, brass knuckles, piano wire. That's how we force people to come together.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

          Forced? At least be subjected to scathing ridicule for your hypocrisy.

  28. Ajsloss   2 months ago

    Former Reasoner Emma Camp is on fire right now:

    Someone get that little girl a drink!

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      She had a maryland ID. Not possible.

      1. Rick James   2 months ago

        Vertical ID... and I gotta say, she looks like she shouldn't even have that.

  29. See.More   2 months ago

    [...] Parents would refuse to give children and teenagers phones until they have already developed both attention spans and a modicum of self-regulation[...]

    How... generous... of you to think self-regulation is something people are learning any more.

    People in the industrialized world are increasingly, particularly amongst "progressives," growing into adult-shaped toddlers with all of the emotional regulation and impulse control of two-year-olds.

  30. See.More   2 months ago

    [...] "Ratko Mladic, the former Bosnian Serb general whose actions during the Balkan wars of the 1990s led to him being called the 'Butcher of Bosnia' and who was held responsible for Europe's deadliest massacre since World War II, the killing of some 8,000 Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in 1995 [...]

    More and more it seems like he knew something Europe is, now, willfully refusing to learn...

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      "Europe is, now, willfully refusing to learn..."

      The Bosnian genocide took place during the Bosnian War of 1992–1995 and includes the Srebrenica massacre of July 1995 or the wider crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing campaign perpetrated throughout areas controlled by the Army of Republika Srpska.

      Europe has learned to embrace genocide. Europe has been a reliable if not enthusiastic supporter of Israel's activities in Gaza. Same with America, whether it's Biden or Trump at the wheel.

    2. Jesse fantasizes about having a 3some with Dave Smith and Maddow   2 months ago

      You people are sick

  31. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    "In an ideal world"

    In an ideal world government would not abuse its monopoly power by interfering in private affairs among and between mutually consenting adults. There IS NO constitutional authority granted to government officials to "protect" anyone from themselves. There IS NO constitutional authority granted to government to regulate your relationship with service providers. Pretending that a bulletin board service harms children whose parents fail to supervise them does not change that fundamental fact. Government may have the authority to punish parents who fail to supervise their children, allowing them to come to harm. Or it may not. This pretense has drifted so far away from any recognizable theory of liberty that it has become outrageous.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      "whose parents fail to supervise them does not change that fundamental fact."

      You're assuming that parents have the time and inclination, let alone the ability, to monitor and supervise the online activities of their charges. This a where you go wrong. Outfits like Facebook have billions of $ at their disposal, hundreds of lawyers, coders and strategists, enough to make sure they are always a step or two ahead of any parent who would question their business practices.

  32. db18020   2 months ago

    There is no collective action problem demanding a - surprise, surprise for Liz Wolfe - anti-liberty government intervention. Just because other parents don't agree that your "common sense" intervention is not common sense does not mean the government should intervene to enforce your parental habits on others when there is no harm to be prevented.

  33. Benitacanova   2 months ago

    Laugh of the week:

    "Brown smartly noted"

    maybe they're referring to ENB's garb?

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