Reason.com - Free Minds and Free Markets
Reason logo Reason logo
  • Latest
  • Magazine
    • Current Issue
    • Archives
    • Subscribe
    • Crossword
  • Video
    • Reason TV
    • The Reason Roundtable
    • Free Media
    • The Reason Interview
  • Podcasts
    • All Shows
    • The Reason Roundtable
    • The Reason Interview With Nick Gillespie
    • Freed Up
    • The Soho Forum Debates
  • Volokh
  • Newsletters
  • Donate
    • Donate Online
    • Ways To Give To Reason Foundation
    • Torchbearer Society
    • Planned Giving
  • Subscribe
    • Reason Plus Subscription
    • Print Subscription
    • Gift Subscriptions
    • Subscriber Support

Log In

Create new account

Health Care

After 40 Years, No One Has Produced a Workable Single-Payer Health Care Plan

Vermont passed single-payer legislation in 2011 and abandoned the plan after three years of failure. Why?

Veronique de Rugy | 6.4.2026 1:05 PM

Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL Add Reason to Google
Media Contact & Reprint Requests
A piggy bank with a red cross on it | Illustration: Midjourney
(Illustration: Midjourney)

Billionaire progressive activist and California gubernatorial candidate Tom Steyer recently remarked: "Health care companies only care about one thing: profits. Single-payer now." This is the same Tom Steyer who opposed single-payer when he ran for president in 2020. "Bernie Sanders was right," he says. "Boy, was I wrong."

He still cannot explain how to pay for it. Can anyone?

Single-payer health care has been the progressive left's signature domestic demand for four decades. It has generated presidential campaigns, mass rallies, congressional cosponsors, and an inexhaustible supply of Twitter righteousness. What it has never generated once is a workable legislative proposal.

Brookings Institution economist Jessica Riedl has spent years waiting for one. Her challenge is simple: Show us a progressive bill that specifies (a) a provider payment system that actually saves money under America's existing, already expensive health infrastructure, and (b) a financing mechanism to replace the roughly $32 trillion in private premiums and out-of-pocket costs that would need to be covered by federal taxes over the next decade.

Despite hundreds of legislative proposals and multiple presidential campaigns built around the issue, no one has met the challenge.

It's not for lack of pretending. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) and Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D–Wash.) have bills that people trumpet as serious legislative vehicles. But as Riedl notes, the proposals are only aspirational. They enumerate generous new benefits with great enthusiasm and then instruct the secretary of Health and Human Services to figure out the rest. The phrase "The Secretary shall" appears 62 times in the Sanders bill alone.

OK, but what about Europe and Canada? Progressives inevitably say: They made it work! This is a rhetorical sleight of hand that collapses on contact with basic facts.

European countries built modest, government-controlled health infrastructures from the ground up over several decades. They contained costs—meaning, among other things, they rationed care—as they expanded access. America did the opposite.

We built the most expensive, technologically advanced, sprawling health system in human history, which consumes nearly 20 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), under mostly private incentives and market pricing. As Riedl puts it, "We cannot simply pay European prices for the more vast American health infrastructure that exists."

The central theory of single-payer savings has always been this: Slash payments to providers to offset the surge in the use of universal, no-cost-at-point-of-service coverage. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) took a serious look at this fantasy. Its conclusion was that national health expenditures might actually rise, and demand for care would outrun supply. The final result would be European-style rationing, delays, and forgone services, all leading to worsening health care.

Then there's the inconvenient question of how to get the tax revenue needed for a single-payer system to replace private health care premiums, out-of-pocket expenses, and state health programs. Although neither Sanders nor Jayapal has an answer, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget does. Financing a Sanders-style system would require a new 32 percent payroll tax, a 25 percent income surtax, or a 42 percent value-added tax, more than doubling every individual and corporate income-tax rate.

The CBO found that such a system would reduce GDP by 6 percent to 10 percent by 2030. From a movement that claims to care about working Americans, that number deserves more than silence.

The state-level record confirms what the nasty arithmetic and voters' disgust tell us. Vermont passed single-payer legislation in 2011 and assigned an expert commission to make the numbers work. After three years of failure, Gov. Peter Shumlin abandoned the plan, admitting that the required 11.5 percent payroll tax per company plus the 9.5 percent income tax per Vermonter (with small businesses paying both) would be politically unsurvivable even in Sanders' home state. Colorado voters rejected their single-payer initiative in 2016 after analysis showed that even tripling taxes wouldn't cover the costs.

Back in California in 2022, the state's nonpartisan legislative analyst estimated that the proposed single-payer system created by the California Guaranteed Health Care for All Act would cost between $494 billion and $552 billion annually. Imagine the taxes needed to more than double that state's spending overnight.

After the bill died without a vote, Assemblymember Ash Kalra (D–San Jose) reintroduced it in February 2026, and it failed to advance again a few months later. California has now killed single-payer twice in four years.

The absence of a workable plan after 40 years tells you everything you need to know. This is Riedl's essential insight and the one that cuts deepest. It's unworkable. It's expensive. And it will kill the supply of health care. Steyer knew all this in 2020 when he ran for president. The only thing that's changed is politics.

COPYRIGHT 2026 CREATORS.COM

Start your day with Reason. Get a daily brief of the most important stories and trends every weekday morning when you subscribe to Reason Roundup.

This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

NEXT: This Was the Moment the COVID-19 Experts Betrayed Us

Veronique de Rugy is a contributing editor at Reason. She is a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University.

Health CareSingle payerBernie SandersState GovernmentsGovernment SpendingCaliforniaVermontCBOEconomicsGDPTaxesHealth insuranceHealth
Share on FacebookShare on XShare on RedditShare by emailPrint friendly versionCopy page URL Add Reason to Google
Media Contact & Reprint Requests

Hide Comments (96)

Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.

  1. See.More   2 months ago

    Single-payer health care has been the progressive left's signature domestic demand for four decades.

    I am a veteran (USN '92 - '95, disabled). While I generally abhor the idea of compulsory service, I almost lean into the idea for no other reason than to provide a object lesson in single-payer health care. Military health care is single-payer, and it sucks by every metric except, perhaps, battlefield trauma care.

    Combined with my experience with the VA health care for my service-related disability (which I abandoned in favor of private health care after a year of getting yanked around without receiving any treatment), I will never support single-payer health care.

    1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

      Combined with my experience with the VA health care for my service-related disability

      Yeah - my father-in-law was a Vietnam-era combat vet with a service-related disability and holy shit what a clusterfuck the VA is. Worse than useless most of the time.

    2. dcb5cac   2 months ago

      I am a physician who worked at the VA for 3 years in between taking a break from hospital and administrative roles. The care at the VA was abominable. Vets would be denied meds that were standard practice for those with private insurance. If I wanted a test I had to have them drive to the closest VA center that could do it 75 mins away when the same test could be done at the local hospital across the street. For those singing the praises of single payer systems in so many countries, why the need for private healthcare and a two tier system? The UK, Canada, Japan, Australia, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Taiwan and almost all others have private pay systems of healthcare operating as well. The same reason many of my Veteran patients sought out private insurance and healthcare outside of the deplorable care they got at the VA.

  2. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    "it sucks by every metric except, perhaps, battlefield trauma care"

    That's because battlefield trauma care was developed by private medical care science before Medicare started intruding under the "lower healthcare costs" mandate. Although medical science continues to deliver amazing innovations, it continues to labor under the burden of increasingly massive Federal regulation and prohibitive price disincentives.

  3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

    Since this is so Veronica, why do you and the rest of the Reason gang keep supporting the people that want to force single payer on us?

    1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

      AI says you are lying:

      No, Veronique de Rugy has never publicly stated who she voted for in any specific election.

      Her public writing and commentary focus strictly on policy analysis rather than candidate endorsements or personal voting disclosures. However, her commentary provides significant context regarding her electoral perspective:

      1. Dillinger   2 months ago

        >>her commentary provides significant context regarding her electoral perspective:

        AI says he may be on the right track

        1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

          Or her commentary (like this article) clearly shows she is against single payer.

          Otherwise it should be easy for you to link to where she has stated support for a candidate that favors single payer, right?

          1. Dillinger   2 months ago

            brother you can argue with your own citation all day I'm just showing you what the plain English you posted says to those of us who read

    2. Butler T. Reynolds   2 months ago

      Not kissing Trump's ass is not equivalent to supporting single payer healthcare and the people who love it.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        Sucking the ass of slobbering Joe shows you are a TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit, TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit.
        Fuck off and die.

  4. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    Because it can’t be done?

    1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

      ^

  5. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

    new 32 percent payroll tax, a 25 percent income surtax, or a 42 percent value-added tax, more than doubling every individual and corporate income-tax rate.

    How much offset by not paying insurance premiums would occur? Pay 1000 a month to an insurance company and have to pay copays, deductibles etc above those premiums.

    It would be mostly a wash for folks.

    Consider the percentage of people who get free health care paid by tax payers already. From public hands to private hands...

    Remove the fraud! Big time bucks would be saved there.

    Of course what happens is the run on sniffles crowd who will abuse the system and sit in emergency rooms. But that is happening now with illegals...

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      They already even cost shift those public plan costs to private plans. Estimates as high as 20%.

      In my city it is easier to get a PCP with medicaid or Medicare than it is with private insurance.

    2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

      Maybe you should try reading and a little basic arithmetic. Or maybe you were edumacated in government schools.

      a financing mechanism to replace the roughly $32 trillion in private premiums and out-of-pocket costs that would need to be covered by federal taxes over the next decade.

      $3.2 trillion a year. 340 million Americans. That's $10,000 a year for ever American. Roughly half of all Americans are working age. That's $20,000 a year for every worker.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

        Yeah math.

        So a person pays 10,000 a year? or 20,000 a year for insurance premiums, deductibles and copays on average?

        How much is actually paid to the clinic, the nurse and the Dr that were involved versus how much the admin fees and profit are included above the actual payouts?

        Typically admin is 70%... How's your math?

  6. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

    It will not happen in the US. Not because of the idea it is unaffordable. The system is currently paid for either by insurance premiums and copays with deductibles and by tax payer dollars and the switch would be a wash cost wise.

    With all the fraud and abuse the single payer system could be cheaper.

    The issue of course is insurance companies themselves and putting them out of business. How? Gov buys them outright and hires workers to be the gov single payer admin workers?

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Majority of the fraud and abuse already occurs in medicaid and Medicare. Lol.

      How would it be cheaper???

      30% of ACA plans are estimated to be fraudulent.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

        The question is how is it occurred and why.

        Do you think gov employees are fraudulently stealing this money?

        No it is private payouts from gov funds where the fraud comes from.

    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      Utter nonsense. The federal government even admits there is massive Medicaid fraud.

      And are you pretending all these stories about hundreds of billions in collective Medicaid/medicare fraud over the last several months never happened?

      1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

        How many government employees are being fired for fraud?

        The fraud is occurring with private companies being paid from gov funds.

    3. Square = Circle   2 months ago

      With all the fraud and abuse the single payer system could be cheaper.

      As long as you're fine with them providing significantly less healthcare for what you're paying.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

        Well everythign is relative.

        America has the best health care now. It is the most expensive. You get what you pay for.

        Remove the fraud and the profit of an insurance company and the excessive admin fees from massive salaries and price of health care will go down while the same services continue.

        You want cheaper care than that, yes you will give up services.

        But remember you pay 20K a year for insurance and I'd say you would pay the gov 8K for the SAME care.

        The gov doesn't require bloated coffers waiting for future trauma to pay out from.

    4. charliehall   2 months ago

      Gov contracts with the private insurers to manage the system.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

        Where is the fraud and excessive costs coming from?

    5. See.More   2 months ago

      The issue of course is insurance companies themselves and putting them out of business.

      False. The issue begins with government regulations that turned insurance on its head. In no other sector does insurance cover regular maintenance (e.g. oil changes, HVAC tuning, etc) or elective procedures (e.g. customizing rides, tinting windows, renovating the kitchen, etc). Government regulations turned health "insurance" into a third-party health care payment scheme. We absolutely need to stop calling "health insurance" 'insurance'. It is not.

      Government regulations incentivized offering health care payment plans as non-cash labor compensation. That includes tax breaks for employers to offer health care payment plans.

      Government regulations ballooned the costs of those HCPPs with an expanding list of mandatory coverage. [Why the fuck can't I opt out of maternity care now that neither my wife nor I can make babies? Why can't I opt out of drug treatment coverage?]

      And those are just at the tip of the health care cost causes.

      TL;DR - Government overregulation is primarily responsible for health care costs in America. Free the market!

  7. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    I think the mistake is in the belief that 'Guns' (Gov-Guns) are somehow going to make everyone healthy.

    If you can't comprehend that basic contradiction perhaps it's time to evaluate how much BS you've allowed yourself to buy from all the con-artist criminals in D.C. selling snake oil.

    The only way a 'Gun' is ever going to make anyone healthy is by 'Defense' of someone else 'Gun' making aggression against you. Thus the very reason government is there to Defend Individual Liberty and Justice for all (Defensive). Not to Pro(a)gressively 'Gun' down everyone and pretend they're making anyone healthy.

  8. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

    Dozens of countries have had single payer for decades. It is absurd to believe that the US is so special that it can’t work here.

    1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

      Lies and damned lies, Molly. We don't even have to go to statistics to prove that your brainless narrative is just silly.

      1. charliehall   2 months ago

        It isn't a lie at all.

        https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-single-payer

        You are triggered by facts.

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          Every single one of those also has a private system…

    2. NealAppeal   2 months ago

      "There are dozens of us!"

      I know you don't bother reading the articles and just spout Marxist nonsense but your "point" is addressed. Feel free to rebut the author if you want to make a valuable contribution to the discussion. (Ron Howard narration: "They don't.")

      1. charliehall   2 months ago

        Facts aren't nonsense.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          And you are entirely too stupid to recognize a fact, asswipe. Fuck off and die.

    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      Nope. Try again faggot.

    4. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 months ago

      Vermont passed single-payer legislation in 2011 and abandoned the plan after three years of failure. Why?

      One might ask their Senator, a Bernard Sanders perhaps?

      1. Rick James   2 months ago

        Because it was encircled by Capitalism.

    5. DesigNate   2 months ago

      What do all of those countries have in common?

      They’ve lived under the protective umbrella of American hegemony, diverted their own defense spending to domestic spending AND have less progressive tax structures than we do.

      Goddamn, is there anything you’re not fucking dumb on?

      1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

        What do all of those countries have in common?

        They’ve lived under the protective umbrella of American hegemony, diverted their own defense spending to domestic spending AND have less progressive tax structures than we do.

        And with the exception of China not a single one of them is nearly the same size as the US. And I would take China's reporting on the state of its healthcare with a few grains of salt.

        There is no EU-wide public health system, and that's the real comparison, not "hey, Switzerland takes care of all four dozen of its people!"

        1. Ed Reppert   2 months ago

          Fact-check: there are at least five dozen citizens of Switzerland.

    6. minus the clever name   2 months ago

      BUT WHY DOESN"T IT WORK HERE -- that is the question.

      I have 3 ways.
      1) Our doctors are declining in quality drastically
      Reports suggest that a higher percentage of UCLA medical students—reportedly up to 50% in certain clinical subjects—have been failing these standardized examinations, which measure foundational medical knowledge. Critics and some faculty claim this is the result of admissions policies prioritizing diversity over traditional academic credentials, leading to cohorts that are allegedly unprepared for clinical rotations.

      2) Related to 1) but obviously involving more than 1)
      "Research led by patient safety experts at Johns Hopkins University estimates that iatrogenic (medically induced) events and medical errors account for more than 250,000 deaths annually. This makes medical error the third-leading cause of death in the United States, trailing only heart disease and cancer"

      3) What is truly absurd is how opposite the patients are...fat out of shape kids would be a great example
      The University of Kansas Medical Center reports that over 40% of school-aged children have at least one chronic health condition, with nearly one in three adolescents meeting the criteria for prediabetes. and there is the societal aspect...let's take women : Women are diagnosed with depression at roughly twice the rate of men.--Now, I say this is because of feminism, decline of marriage, abortion, contempt for the minority of women doing the right thing.

      Sure, get better care but FIRST stop producing bad doctors and unfit children.

  9. Purple Martin   2 months ago

    I wish all Americans had the same thing I was privileged with throughout my adult life: mostly quite satisfactory, relatively inexpensive, mostly socialistic healthcare. That consisted of:

    1) Single-provider healthcare for 21 years, government-delivered in government-owned facilities by government-paid workers, in the style of the UK's National Health Service.
    2) Then, another 20+ years Canada-style single-payer/commercial provider, but still supplemented by the same government single-provider system.
    3) And now, Medicare single-payer (Parts A and B) plus a no-cost single-payer Medicare Supplement covering all my Medicare co-pays, still supplemented (including full pharmaceutical coverage) by the same government single-providers.

    As 1975-1996 career active-duty military (SMSgt, Ret. USAF), that was, of course:

    1) While active duty, military hospitals/clinics (including for dependents)
    2) After AF retirement (still w/dependents), military facilities (much at the Air Force Academy Hospital, Space-A), TriCare, and VA (40% disability rating),
    3) At 65 in 2019 (just me and Ms. Purple, 50th anniversary earlier this year), Medicare/TriCare-for-Life, Madigan Army Medical Center, and VA (Ms. Purple is a veteran eligible for VA but has never used it).

    Like many a retired career military couple, we grumble about the disappearance of our promised life-long military medical care—while realizing, of course, that was never really in the contract.* If a true national healthcare system covering all Americans had existed when I enlisted in 1974, there would have been neither a need for recruiters to give, nor reasons any of us believe in, what was ever only an implied promise.

    When that finally does happen, future healthcare won't be a concern of potential recruits, and a separate military healthcare system—freed of non-core-mission responsibilities—can evolve and improve to concentrate only on military-unique, duty-related care.

    Within the next couple of decades (a time horizon that now seems shorter to me than it once did), I think we'll get there And eventually catch with the consistently demonstrated, lower-cost, better outcomes of government-partnered healthcare in the rest of the developed world.

    = = = = =
    *(What we were actually told back in 1974 was "here's what active/retired military and their families have received in the past, but that's not in the contract and the future depends on what Congress does.")

    1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

      I don't care if you are a veteran (thank you for your service) your take on military healthcare is silly. Military healthcare served a much younger, much healthier population, and anyone who got too sick got RIF'd out and turfed to the VA system, which has sucked worse and worse in every single year in every possible way for over sixty years. Military and Veteran healthcare sucked so bad, finally, that they had to invent TriCare just to offload some of the complaints to another agency to dilute the toxicity. Anyone who doesn't understand the problems of comparing apples with oranges for quality has no business entering into serious policy debates!

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Martin is a proven idiot.his posts are:

        A. Stupid
        B. Bullshit
        C. All of the above

      2. Purple Martin   2 months ago

        MWA, your rote and predictable screed—motivated reasoning reflecting the priors of an anti-government worldview, driven and constantly reinforced by confirmation bias stemming from anecdote and perceived personal offense—does not lend itself to serious policy debate.

        The very real issues of VA healthcare are inherited far more from the issues of America's accidently-evolved overall societal healthcare system (rooted originally in WWII wage & price controls) than organically originating within the VA itself. Many of the hardest VA problems are whipsawed reversals of policy and problem-solving initiatives, and start-stop funding—granted, both exacerbated as control of Congress passes back and forth from partisan faction to partisan faction.

        So, it is surprising neither that problems of the VA are reflections of society's wider problems, nor that in broad controlled studies comparing not apples-to-oranges but healthcare-to-healthcare rates of both patient satisfaction and health outcomes, VA and civilian results are surprisingly similar.

        Yet, that is not a great thing. The major point of my comment (you seem to have missed it), is that outside of military-unique health issues (physical and psychological injury particularly relevant to the warrior class) there should be no broad military health system at all. TriCare is just a parallel Medicare covering military dependents & retirees—why not just let Medicare cover them (that is, me)? As long as we're at, why not just let Medicare cover all of us?

        If not for the hubris of Sen. Ted Kennedy holding out for UK-style single-provider and refusing President Nixon's compromise of the Medicare-for-All-type single-payer system Canada was evolving to at the time, we would probably now be living in that system, with no more controversy than than Medicare today.

        Relying not on the near-theocratic anti-government faith of the ultra-right, but on evidence and metrics of our developed-world peers, we could be doing that with—as measured by objective public-health outcomes of the entire population—much better results and at a far lower cost.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Thank God for Ted Kennedy. Fuck your single payer communist bullshit.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          Martin is a proven idiot. His posts are:

          A. Stupid
          B. Bullshit
          C. Lies
          D. All of the above

    2. DesigNate   2 months ago

      What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  10. Rick James   2 months ago

    Single-payer health care has been the progressive left's signature domestic demand for four decades. It has generated presidential campaigns, mass rallies, congressional cosponsors, and an inexhaustible supply of Twitter righteousness. What it has never generated once is a workable legislative proposal.

    I have. It wouldn't be pretty, but this country is "wealthy enough" to do it.

    Declare all private healthcare illegal. Nationalize all hospitals, clinics and healthcare facilities. Make all Doctors government employees, to be paid a reasonable salary, somewhere in the low six-figure realm. Raise taxes across the board to pay for it.

    Done, done and... done.

    1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

      Repeating "The Big Lie" doesn't make it into a truth, no matter how many times you repeat the lie. The things that make us wealthy enough to carry out your plan would disappear overnight, taking the wealth with it down the drain. Then we could no longer afford either the expensive single-care health system OR eating and shelter.

      1. Rick James   2 months ago

        No one is promising a problem-free single payer system, just one that works more like it does in England with the NHS or Canada-- two systems which are on every reasonable measure, complete and utter shit, but they're there, they exist and they function.

        Me: Here's your affordable housing... all new stock coming online, plus existing stock, including the house you live in will be 76% cheaper next year than it is this year!

        Everyone: *thinks* That's not what we mean when we say "affordable housing".

        Me: I trust me, I know that's not what you mean...

        1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

          two systems which are on every reasonable measure, complete and utter shit, but they're there, they exist and they function.

          Sorry but this is false. Will you go bankrupt from cancer treatments and when completed and you survive then are told you have exceeded your lifetime insurance payout amounts and are no longer insurable in America?

          Cancer patients with 2 years of treatments surgeries meds et all covered in Canada, no payouts no bankruptcy no one saying you are no longer eligible for health care unless you pay yourself.

    2. See.More   2 months ago

      Declare all private healthcare illegal. Nationalize all hospitals, clinics and healthcare facilities. Make all Doctors government employees, to be paid a reasonable salary, somewhere in the low six-figure realm. Raise taxes across the board to pay for it.Fewer and fewer people will become healthcare providers of any kind (doctors, nurses, etc.) causing shortages of providers and long wait times for care, innovation will be stifled, and death panels MAID recommendations will be used to reduce costs even further. And that's just the beginning

      FIFY

      Fuck off!

  11. IceTrey   2 months ago

    Why? Because the function of government is to defend liberty not provide healthcare. If we had a capitalist free market for healthcare it would be cheap and plentiful. Medicine would advance at a rapid rate and we'd actually cure diseases instead of treating the symptoms.

    1. Rick James   2 months ago

      Why? Because the function of government is to defend liberty not provide healthcare

      No, the function of government, especially libertarian government is to not be harmful to the poors, including but not limited to implementing taxation schemes which require national spying regimes, self-reporting and a constant Big Brother eyeball on your bank account, demanding you justify and account for every dollar which worms its way in there, as long as it's not regressive.

      1. IceTrey   2 months ago

        You forgot the /sarc tag.

        1. Stuck in California   2 months ago

          No need to dumb it down to the lowest common denominator. Anyone who matters is capable of discerning the poe's law divide here. If you need that tagged that's a you problem, not a Diane problem.

          1. IceTrey   2 months ago

            I did it for those who don't matter.

          2. Ersatz   2 months ago

            Agree to disagree - it is becoming increasingly hard to discern when Poe's law kicks in. In these comment sections it is helped by familiarity with the cast of characters

    2. minus the clever name   2 months ago

      Okay, that seems the right track. Better healthcare so that fat sickly kids will be taken care of, instead of exercising and learning to eat right. Other countries also have shitty problems that are not isolated from the medical setup. We aren't them, and they aren't us.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

        Odd you say this considering America with it's part socialist/part capitalist most expensive health care in the world has the worst diabetes and obesity rates of any other country...

  12. Winston in Wonderland   2 months ago

    How about we make the current system easier to comprehend? We have no hope of controlling costs if we can't even figure-out what the costs are! When I take my car to the mechanic, I receive an estimate before he starts work, and when he finishes I receive a single itemized bill.

    Hospitals don't seem to be able to do that.

    My daughter had gall bladder surgery a few years ago. The hospital assured us that they knew what they doing 'cuz they did an average of 11 gall bladder surgeries EACH DAY. Yet the same hospital couldn't provide a cost estimate.

    After the surgery, we got dozens of bills from all sorts of people we had never met, and we continued receiving bills for a year after we thought everything was paid. For example, we were billed by at least a half a dozen entities claiming they had provided radiological services...even though the doctor said the only imaging tool he ever used was ultrasound. When challenged, these entities never could tell us exactly what they did.

    Fortunately, I had really good insurance that handled most of this.

    1. Rick James   2 months ago

      Fortunately, I had really good insurance that handled most of this.

      Now you know why they didn't provide any detail as to what they did.

    2. Fats of Fury   2 months ago

      By handling do you mean they denied payment or they paid?

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Prior to ACA my company self insured employees. No claims paid. 90% of costs paid by company. Companies plan was made illegal.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          So was my pop ate plan from Assurant. I paid under $250/mo. For a mod level plan. In 2014, I was forced onto the exchange if I wanted to buy health insurance. The ‘platinum’ plan offered was inferior to my mid tier Assurant policy, but it cost over $550/mo., and continued to go up in the years following.

          The democrats should have been overthrown and put in cages for what they did. And that’s being generous.

        2. Get To Da Chippah   2 months ago

          Prior to ACA I literally had free health insurance from my work. As in, they paid the entire costs including co-pay.

          Obama said that was a junk policy and made it illegal.

  13. Iwanna Newname   2 months ago

    I could come up with a workable single payer plan.......... as long as the public is comfortable with waiting six months to schedule an appointment with a primary care doctor, an average driving distance of 75 miles, and an 8 month waiting list for elective surgery.

    1. Stcrispy   2 months ago

      That's about what I have to wait now, with United / Anthem. My experience with European systems in Germany and the NL, is similar - except my friends in the NL pay less, and they're in high income brackets. The NL docs diagnosed a serious problem that my friend had, and a treatment, that they couldn't figure out in the US. A few years later, the US now has the ability, but the drugs he takes for it cost $5k per month in the US vs $1k in the NL. His copay on the drug is 9 euro. His monthly insurance premium in 150 euro.

      My oldest brother spent the last 48 years of his life in Munich. His health care was also better than in the US.

      I realize anecdotes are not the same as data, but those are the experiences I'm familiar with.

      1. IceTrey   2 months ago

        In Canada the first thing they do is offer to kill you for a hangnail.

        1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

          Do they offer to kill you?

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Germany...
        Income between €12,349 and €69,878 is taxed at 14%–42%, income up to €277,825 is taxed at a flat 42%, and earnings above €277,826 face the top "wealth tax" rate of 45%

        Only 9 dollars a month huh?

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          I wonder why the US cost is so much. Couldn’t be due to all the back end and regulatory costs, only to have the EU shove price controls on any company trying to do business there.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Reason assures us that most favored nation pricing on drugs so there isnt a cost shift to america due to cost caps in other countries is anti free market.

        2. Stcrispy   2 months ago

          9 bucks is the co-pay in the NL. 150 is the premium.

          In Germany, I've been told, the insurance companies are private, but intensly regulated. Premiums are set by the government across the board, and anything a doctor prescribes must be paid for by the insurance company. The only place they have to compete is how well they work for doctors, and how easy it is for patients.

          Certainly it's subsidized. Almost everyone I know there who was part of the plan has died of old age, so my data is a few years old. My brother caught AIDS in the 80s, and would have died in the US. He lived into the 20-teens because Germany deployed the cocktail early. He had the full blown disease in 1994, and then he was almost normal until he died in his sleep in 2013, after a glass og champagne at the opera.

    2. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

      This doesn't happen.

      Elective surgery you can pay for and have done or wait, but non health threatening care certainly takes a back seat to life threatening care which is administered immediately.

  14. BYODB   2 months ago

    The 'why' is, as it always has been, very predictable and there is nothing they can do to get around it.

    In short, they always run out of other people's money.

  15. Joseph S. Harrington   2 months ago

    Okay, when it comes to single-payer health care financing, Europe and Canada did not "make it work," they ACCEPTED how it DOES work. So would I, if it guaranteed debt-free care to anyone seriously ill or in need of constant care.

    Of course, I would have to accept the COSTS of such a guarantee for me and my fellow countrymen. The tax hit will likely be no less than what is paid for private insurance premiums, and waits could be longer for treating chronic but not life-threatening conditions. I'll take it, as many of my countrymen need it.

  16. ATCme   2 months ago

    OK, I get it. This is Reason.com where (virtually?) every government program, with the possible exception of those programs designed to kill scary foreigners, is considered a bad thing. Let's just forget about conjecture as to how the railways or highways might have developed without government takings facilitating the process. Of course it is likely we would all be speaking German anyway as we rode down the Amerikan Autobahn. But enough of that.

    The USA leads in the development of new therapies & provides pretty good healthcare for many conditions to those who can afford it. If you do some research, you will see that prior to LBJ's Great Society programs, even during the economic boom of the 1950s when America was getting rich rebuilding Europe & Japan (to enable them to compete against us in the '70s), 25% of Americans lived in poverty & 50% of Americans over 65 lived in poverty.

    The free market works best when there is a reasonable relationship between supply & demand. The supply for medical care (like for every other commodity) will always be limited. How great is the demand to not die? A lot of doctors are heavily influenced my moral considerations (The Hippocratic Oath). Medical administrators are guided by the fundamental business principle of maximizing profits. If they fail to do so, they will be replaced by someone who does.

    And then there is Purdue Pharma. The Sackler family knowingly distorted medical recommendations in order to become very rich selling addictive opiates. As punishment, they were fined an amount equal to about one quarter's profits. Opiates are still a major problem for people who were initially prescribed them by doctors acting on the advice April 2017; "Is curing patients a sustainable business model?" with the obvious implication that good business dictates that you create addicts, not healthy humans.

    Until such a time as doctors (& medical management companies) find that it is more profitable to keep people healthy rather than to charge for treatments, for profit medicine will not create healthy people or reduce medical care costs.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "...Until such a time as doctors (& medical management companies) find that it is more profitable to keep people healthy rather than to charge for treatments, for profit medicine will not create healthy people or reduce medical care costs..."

      It will simply provide the best of all alternatives.

      1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

        Johns Hopkins University
        Johns Hopkins study suggests medical errors are third-leading cause of death in U.S.

        https://hub.jhu.edu/2016/05/03/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death/

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          I'm sure you imagined you had a point. When you do, please get back to us.

          1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

            Why do you always say 'us'? is it inferiority complex 🙂 what kind of better payer system are we talking about if the 3rd leading cause of death is the doctor whom you are being faciltated to see 🙂

  17. charliehall   2 months ago

    "four decades"

    Wrong. Nine decades. It has been discussed that long.

    It isn't necessary to have single payer to get everyone access to Healthcare. Other countries have done so.

    The problem is that the Left is more interested in screwing private insurance companies, and the Right is more interested in killing off poor people.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "...Other countries have done so..."

      Like Communism, not a single success. Failed everywhere and always.

      1. con_fuse9   2 months ago

        Lets take Germany.... The pay about 1/2 per person (on average) and live longer than us (on average). That would qualify as a success.
        Don't have to be full blown communist.... just need a drinking age of 16... apparently.

  18. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    40 years?
    Great Britian has been trying to make one work for ~80 years and finds it's really good at putting people in the queue.

    1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

      Soviet citizen goes to a dealership to buy a car. After navigating a tedious process, he finally lays down his money in advance. The clerk behind the counter tells him, "Okay, come back in ten years to pick up your car."The man then thinks for a moment and asks, "Should I come in the morning or the afternoon?"Confused, the clerk asks, "What difference does it make? It's ten years from now!"The man replies, "Well, the plumber is coming in the morning."

    2. con_fuse9   2 months ago

      England (where Great Britain once was): life expectancy: 83.3 years (females) and 79.4 years (males).
      USA: Women: 81.4 years Men: 76.5 years

      So to live longer we should stand in line more?

  19. minus the clever name   2 months ago

    One is, we are so unnecessarily unhealthy , from fat unexercised grammar school kids to resultant sick adults. That is the schools' fault. Fewer sick people would make a health system healthier.

    also, all the mental sickness and abandoned people from the decline in marriage. Why this : Women are diagnosed with clinical depression at roughly twice the rate of men.--- well, the marriage and school reasons for sure but also the feminist lies about kids and family and career, etc.

    and politically, It was Obama and Pelosi that saddled us with Obamacare, a very bad attempt to buy votes. But Hillary tried to do it too. The only political figure who knew anything about health care itself is Gov Bobby Jindal
    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/jindal-campaign-press-release-bobbys-top-eight-op-eds-repealing-obamacare

    1. con_fuse9   2 months ago

      We have to blame in on public education? Didn't even know they were in the building....

      Bottom line, Europe is on average, better than us... Look up life expectancy.... Bobby Jindal is also dumber than the average European.

      Now, the food there is also better - more natural/healthier.

      We in the US - if its safe to put it in the food, then its OK to put in the food.

      Europe: Explain why you NEED to put it in the food before we let you put it in the food. Food coloring? WTF for? (as I stare at a coke on my desk.... caramel for food coloring)

      The average European grocery store is stocked more like Whole Foods - except its cheaper.

      1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

        Not even relevant comments , overlooking their patent falsity.
        So the key to better American health is to move to Europe. We are all so impressed with you,

  20. con_fuse9   2 months ago

    Its not that hard.
    Yes, Germany (for example) pays about $8000 per person for healthcare and they live to 82 years old. We spend $15,000 per person (and don't cover everyone) and we live to 78 years old.
    Obviously, for a 10,000ft observation, we are doing something wrong.

    You want single payer...
    Everyone that files a tax return gets a voucher (including dependents) that they can take to insurance providers. The insurance providers, like they do for big 'self-insured' companies manages an equivalent fund. All doctors/hospitals will have to be "in network"
    1) You must increase taxes on corporations.
    2) Individuals should get a pay bump because overall costs for corporations has gone down.
    3) However, Individual tax rates will go up.
    Savings:
    No VA, Medicare, or Medicade... Just universal coverage. There will be specialized centers for battle/service related issues.
    Liability insurance for most will go down. You cannot be sued for future health care costs - so insurance rates for everything should go down... a bit.
    As for rationing... I'd go slow on that. $15,000 per person translates into a lot of jobs. If we cut our spending on health care in half, we would suddenly have 10% of the population out of work....

    Now for the bad.... There needs to be minimum requirements for coverage. Anyone remember when Hillary tried to write the rule book? There are reasons for all that.
    We need to expand our medical schools - instead of too many lawyers, wouldn't it be cool to have too many doctors?
    We need to reign in med school costs... and doctor's salaries (we will automatically reign in doctor's liability insurance).
    Hospitals need to get real with their pricing schemes. $500 for an off the shelf aspirin will not fly.

    Side benefits: retirement will get a lot more predicable as far as costs go. Pension plans would come back.
    Military spending on retired soldiers would get under control.
    Congress, because they don't seem to actually do anything, would have to tweak the rules and the payments every year. Might as well have congress earn their pay.

    1. BadLib   2 months ago

      Will people who paid into Medicare be getting a pro rata rebate of what they and their employer (after all, the employer had to pay a portion of the employee's salary into Medicare so that was unavailable for increased wages) paid in?

  21. Get To Da Chippah   2 months ago

    1) You must increase taxes on corporations.
    2) Individuals should get a pay bump because overall costs for corporations has gone down.

    If you raise taxes on corporations to the point that they offset the money they were spending on employee healthcare then their costs have not gone down. And they will pass any additional costs to their customers in the form of higher prices.

    3) However, Individual tax rates will go up.

    Voters get tax increases plus price increases? Welcome to "Why single payer never happens in the US."

Please log in to post comments

Mute this user?

  • Mute User
  • Cancel

Ban this user?

  • Ban User
  • Cancel

Un-ban this user?

  • Un-ban User
  • Cancel

Nuke this user?

  • Nuke User
  • Cancel

Un-nuke this user?

  • Un-nuke User
  • Cancel

Flag this comment?

  • Flag Comment
  • Cancel

Un-flag this comment?

  • Un-flag Comment
  • Cancel

Latest

Trump Says He Believes in Giving People a 'Second Chance.' For 6,000 People, the Answer Was No.

Billy Binion | 7.26.2026 7:00 AM

Bureaucracy, Labor, & Tariffs: How Government Is Making BLTs More Expensive

Eric Boehm | From the August/September 2026 issue

California's War on Goats Could Worsen the Wildfire Crisis

C. Jarrett Dieterle and Shawn Regan | 7.25.2026 7:00 AM

For Thousands of New York City Apartment Buildings, the Math Doesn't Math

Christian Britschgi | 7.25.2026 6:00 AM

Georgia Cops Keep Getting Arrested for Misusing Flock Surveillance Data

Autumn Billings | 7.24.2026 4:56 PM

Recommended

  • About
  • Browse Topics
  • Events
  • Staff
  • Jobs
  • Donate
  • Advertise
  • Subscribe
  • Contact
  • Media
  • Shop
  • Amazon
Reason Facebook@reason on XReason InstagramReason TikTokReason YoutubeApple PodcastsReason on FlipboardReason RSS Add Reason to Google

© 2026 Reason Foundation | Accessibility | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

Reason's July 4 Special!

For America's 250th, Get 2 Years of Reason for $17.76

Celebrate your independence with a subscription to Reason magazine, your most trusted source of honest, insightful news and analysis.

Subscribe to Reason