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James Talarico Regrets Going Full Woke

Also, can Stephen and Katie Miller stop whining?

Robby Soave | 5.28.2026 12:50 PM

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With the backlash to wokeness in full swing, it was probably inevitable that some political figures would come to regret the things they said and tweeted back when progressive cultural signaling felt necessary, roughly from 2014 to 2024. Republicans are out to destroy James Talarico, the Democratic candidate for Texas's Senate seat, by resurfacing his most eye roll inducing takes from that time period, like when he said god was "non-binary" or when he promised to run a "non-meat" campaign in Texas in order to fight climate change. (For good measure, he was wearing a COVID-19 mask; this was in April 2022.)

Talarico now says he wishes he hadn't phrased those things like that.

"There are some statements that I've made that I certainly regret," he told CBS News. "Ken Paxton is intentionally clipping my cringey comments to distract from his career of corruption."

Talarico's acknowledgement that the comments were indeed cringey speaks volumes. We have come a long way since the woke era, during which even Republicans were at pains to disassociate themselves from the perception that they were culturally conservative. (In 2015, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R–Pa.) proudly declared that Caitlyn Jenner was a woman if she said she was a woman.) The idea was to signal understanding and conscientiousness.

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Today, conscientiousness in politics is lame, and both parties want to signal the exact opposite: that they're mean bullies. See numerous Republicans mocking Talarico's appearance and mannerism, either implying or outright asserting that he's unmanly, feminine, or possibly gay. White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller referred to Talarico as Texas' "first transgender candidate," which was some kind of dig at his appearance. In response, the Democrats X account replied: "shut up you ugly fuck."

That comment attracted some pearl clutching from numerous conservatives, including podcaster Katie Miller, who is Stephen Miller's wife. I understand her defending her man…but if you dish it out you should be able to take it. You can't be constantly screaming about how Democrats are all unmanly freaks and then get super upset when they punch back and call you ugly.

Katie Miller has actually gone even further, unmasking the Democratic staffer behind the X post and trying to make fun of her and get her in trouble.

Paulina Mangubat is who runs @TheDemocrats account. She's 30, unmarried with no kids.

Put your name on it next time.

This is what a sad, unhappy, female Liberal looks like. It's why Pew reports 50% of them have been diagnosed with a mental condition. https://t.co/qLeIVQZtSf pic.twitter.com/xpGQzRLyfg

— Katie Miller (@KatieMiller) May 27, 2026

For good measure, she went on Fox News to do even more complaining about the mean X post, and suggested that making fun of her husband is somehow connected to anti-Trump violence like the attempted White House Correspondents Association dinner shooting. The Millers seem to take the position that their side can be as vicious as they want, and if the other side responds, it's akin to violence.

Almost makes you miss the woke era, huh?


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  1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

    Talarico is a hateful stupid fool in the Beto O'Rourke tradition.
    Hope lightning scorches his ass from above for saying the Bible is not anti-abortion !!! It intensely anti-abortion.

    Jeremiah 1:5: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I dedicated you, a prophet to the nations I appointed you."

    Psalm 139:13-15: "You formed my inmost being; you knit me in my mother’s womb. I praise you, because I am wonderfully made... My frame was not hidden from you, when I was made in secret, as crafted in the depths of the earth."

    Psalm 22:10-11: "On you I was cast from my birth; you have been my God from my mother's womb."

    Luke 1:41: "When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit..."

    ======================
    And the Church Fathers are vehement on it

    The Early Church Fathers uniformly and explicitly condemned abortion. Standing in stark contrast to the surrounding Roman and Greek cultures—which practiced abortion and infanticide—early Christian writers viewed the fetus as a human life under God's care, classifying procured abortion as equivalent to murder.
    The condemnation of abortion was heavily documented throughout the foundational centuries of the Church:

    • The Didache (c. A.D. 70–100): One of the earliest Christian documents outside the New Testament states, "You shall not procure an abortion, nor destroy a newborn child".

    • Tertullian (c. A.D. 160–220): In his Apology, he wrote that "murder is forbidden once for all" and therefore "it is not permitted to destroy the fetus in the womb."

    • Athenagoras (c. A.D. 177): The Athenian philosopher explicitly declared that women who use abortifacients commit murder and must give an account to God.

    • Basil the Great (c. A.D. 330–379): St. Basil ruled in his canonical letters that any woman who purposely destroys her unborn child is guilty of murder.

    • Augustine of Hippo (A.D. 354–430): While early philosophical debates in the Church sometimes focused on the exact moment the soul entered the body (or biological "ensoulment"), Augustine condemned the act entirely. He famously wrote against allowing "even the beginning of life" to be denied or destroyed.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      Yeah, ANYBODY who claims the Bible is not anti-abortion is not a Christian in any way, shape, or form. This is not even close to a debatable point.

      He is a blasphemer. Time for Christians to take this sort of thing seriously.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Burn him at the stake.

    2. Liberty_Belle   2 months ago

      Here we go again.

      There is exactly ONE PLACE in the whole bible about abortion and it reads like a voodoo ritual that induces miscarriage via bacterial poisoning or some such nonsense. ( Numbers 5:11-31 )

      1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

        An all-powerful God needs you to mix some grain and water on the floor in order for his bidding to be done.

        Makes sense to me.

    3. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

      God preferred killing babies after they were born (Exodus 12), turning women into salt for disobeying (Genesis 19:26), and committing Genocide against people from Amalek (Exodus 17).

      God was clearly pro-life, well, at least in God 2.0 form when he would have turned the other cheek on those previous atrocities he condoned.

    4. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      Teenage rape victim Mary was forced to carry a baby to term. Life for women in that part of the world hasn't changed much.

      1. See.More   2 months ago

        If God is our "Father", then it was also incest...

        1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

          If Eve was made from Adam's rib then she had XY chromosomes. So she was the first transgender.

  2. Agammamon   2 months ago

    >from that time period

    Is this an attempt to rehabilitate the dude? It's the most recent decade of a fully grown man's life. Either he believes that stuff - justifying Republicans 'pouncing' - or he said it grift - in which case even Democrats should shin him.

    There is no win here Soave, you can not make the guy sound 'centrist' in order to justify 'reluctant, but strategically'.

    1. Rick James   2 months ago

      Exactly. This wasn't some shit he wrote on Reddit when he was 16 years old. This is shit he said as a fully-formed adult, none of which he's ever given a retraction to.

      "I wish I had phrased believing the world is flat differently"

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

        "The world is round-challenged."

        1. Scooter   2 months ago

          It's called 'Atmosphere', not 'Atmoflat'.

      2. mad.casual   2 months ago

        "I wish I had phrased my support of ice pick lobotomies against Christianity and 'Do No Harm' differently."

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Is this an attempt to rehabilitate the dude? It's the most recent decade of a fully grown man's life. Either he believes that stuff - justifying Republicans 'pouncing' - or he said it grift - in which case even Democrats should shin him.

      This has been Robby's double or n-fold-permutation bind about "Cancel Culture" since the beginning.

      Some Conservative accidentally launching a projectile into the ether 30 yrs. ago that their opponents pull out of orbit specifically to hit them? Not Cancel Culture. Liberal or libertine tosses a large object 100 ft. in the air against everyone's better judgement and 5s later when it's on it's way back down to hit someone, Conservatives note how stupid they were to throw it in the first place? Cancel culture.

      All the way around too. He wasn't lecturing at some religious conference about the multi-faceted nature of God or on some philosophy forum with other people throwing knives at each others' feet. He was on the party platform, specifically trying to steal other people's religion and stab them with it in order to enact his political agenda.

  3. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    "The idea was to signal understanding and conscientiousness."

    The issue here is not so much that politicians signal attitudes instead of stating clear policy positions based on rational and coherent governmental principles. The real problem is that the two party death-grip on the election system necessitates superficial soundbites and that it actually seems to work on the electorate when they cast their votes. Image seems to be far more important in the election process than substance, much to the detriment of public affairs and, especially, the principles of liberty and inalienable rights in America.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "...The real problem is that the two party death-grip on the election system necessitates superficial soundbites and that it actually seems to work on the electorate when they cast their votes..."

      Imagine having an 'intellect' so infantile that you are incapable of selecting "better" from "worse".
      Well, you'd be as imbecilic as MWAocdoc!

    2. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      Get rid of primaries.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Get rid of Marxists.

  4. Agammamon   2 months ago

    '>We have come a long way since the woke era

    It's not even been two fucking years!

    The fuck is this shit. Woke was shot when Trump was elected. It's so recent the guy hasn't even stopped crying for medical care yet.

  5. Agammamon   2 months ago

    >The Millers seem to take the position that their side can be as vicious as they want, and if the other side responds, it's akin to violence.

    Almost makes you miss the woke era, huh?

    Did you spend the last two decades on Planet Gay and so missed everything that happened here on earth?

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      The big difference on the Left is that they explicitly say that the rules are different for them than for everyone else.

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        Yet they expect all to live by their rules.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      For clarity, Charlie Kirk what shot in the neck on Sep. 10, 2025.

      Wokeness didn't turn into a pumpkin at the stroke of midnight on Dec. 31, 2024.

      The whole issue with Talarico is that he doesn't regret going full woke. He regrets that it's costing him now that he has opposition. If the Cinderella story were true, he would've regretted going woke any time after ~2022. Even then, regretting going woke on June 28 or Nov. 6th 2024 seems highly suspect.

      FFS, even Chase Oliver regretted going woke *before* this week.

  6. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "...Talarico now says he wishes he hadn't phrased those things like that..."

    No, it's not the "phrasing", dipshit.

  7. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

    "Now that I'm in the general election, I regret everything I did in order to win my primary."
    - James Talarico, basically

    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      He has real Pedo Jeffy vibes,

  8. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

    The only backlash to woke is by white nationalist MAGA bigot shits.

    1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

      False

      Anybody that cares about freedom of speech and freedom of association cares about the woke nonsense of "do what government says or you don't get any money" that was pushed on schools and government contractors. That's hardly a MAGA position.

      1. Liberty_Belle   2 months ago

        Hardly a MAGA position ?

        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/trump-administration-freezes-2-2-billion-in-grants-to-harvard-university-over-campus-activism

        https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/5-states-sue-trump-administration-for-withholding-billions-in-social-safety-net-funds

        1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

          No what I meant was, "Anybody that cares about freedom of speech and freedom of association" is hardly a MAGA position as a way to make a libertarian case against how woke was weaponized against universities and companies.

          No doubt, MAGA has condoned their own equally bad "anti-woke or else" no money positions.

          1. Marshal   2 months ago

            We shouldn't be against government enforced employment and education litmus tests? Weird.

            1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

              We should be against government involvement in education, period. In that world NO ideology gets pushed on universities as it can't be tied to government money. Let the free market decide which universities succeed based on the values they hold, not based on which party controls their money.

              1. Marshal   2 months ago

                This is a total dodge. The reality is that government is involved and their not being involved is not an option. Yet you seem to oppose getting rid of their agents who enforce extreme political litmus tests.

                If the KKK were running state schools in the south and explicitly keeping out blacks, or even subjecting them to greatly increased standards, would you say we shouldn't get rid of the people setting and enforcing that policy?

                Live in the real world.

                1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

                  What you describe is a clear violation of enumerated rights. Obviously that is the role of government to protect our enumerated rights, in fact I would argue it's the main role of government to protect our rights.

                  Point to me an example of "woke" (whatever that really means) as an example and we can discuss that. I'm not aware of any "real-world" examples of government pushing "woke ideology" that any reasonable libertarian would describe as an enumerated or legitimate right, but I would love to hear an example if you have one.

                  1. Marshal   2 months ago

                    If you're not sure what woke means and dispute that woke agents violate anyone's rights on what basis did you oppose it in your original comment?

                    "nybody that cares about freedom of speech and freedom of association" is hardly a MAGA position as a way to make a libertarian case against how woke was weaponized against universities and companies.

                    It seems like you admit this is happening but later changed your position because you married it to another position, that we shouldn't get rid of woke agents, that is inconsistent with this position. That's what happens when people's desire for certain conclusions is so great they make them even when they are not supported by the facts.

                    1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

                      So no other examples beyond the KKK? I would hardly describe anti-racism, judging people as individuals, and equal protection as "woke." It's hard to deal in hypotheticals if you can't offer up real examples.

                      I can say that the feds forcing gender studies on a local school district or banning books in the name of "woke" as real examples is dumb and not a proper use of government.

                  2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

                    GFY you gaslighting imbecile. No one buys your feigned ignorance

                    1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

                      If I could fuck myself, I sure as hell wouldn't be wasting my time talking to you.

              2. Agammamon   2 months ago

                Yeah, but we're in *this* world. And we have to deal with things *as they are*.

              3. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

                LOL. Omg, I am dying.

                This is like one of the main tenets that all libertarians should easily agree on, but because you used the word "MAGA" in your first post, everyone has to go nuts.

        2. Rick James   2 months ago

          How is freezing $2.2 billion in my money to an elite university that pushes flat-earth ideology a "MAGA" position?

          edit: An elite university with an endowment so large, they've never touched it.

      2. Agammamon   2 months ago

        Who is paying the schools and government contractors?

        Do what they guy who is paying says or you don't get paid. That is, literally, freedom of association.

        1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

          Not when it's government doing the paying and dictating.

    2. Scooter   2 months ago

      I bet you're a hoot at parties.

      You still live at that house on the 3-way corner?

  9. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

    No he isn't, but you desperately want to believe he is.

    See numerous Republicans mocking Talarico's appearance...

    I just somehow knew this articles was going to be a 'Republicans pounce' criticism.

    1. Marshal   2 months ago

      There's not a single criticism of Talarico or a Dem in this article even though Robby claims to oppose their wokeness.

  10. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    He isnt upset about being woke. He is upset his videos are still available and not held to the censorship standards that helped Joe Biden in the early 20s.

  11. Rick James   2 months ago

    "There are some statements that I've made that I certainly regret," he told CBS News. "Ken Paxton is intentionally clipping my cringey comments to distract from his career of corruption."

    And those 'cringey comments' resulted in real, measurable harm to people. Your woke, "cringey comments" should be broadcasted 24/7, and you should be hammered by them in every interview you ever do for the rest of your life, until you provide not just a "I wish I had phrased them differently" but a full-throated retraction and apology for everything you said.

    1. Marshal   2 months ago

      Reason can't come out and say they agree citing Talarico's comments is patently unfair without completely ruining their credibility. So instead they invent a new standard to attack his opponent and provide what cover they can.

      1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

        No Enemies on the Left

  12. Rick James   2 months ago

    Oh, Murder up 40%, rape up 19% in the Bronx.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      And remember, those are only the ones that get reported.

      1. See.More   2 months ago

        And recorded as "murder" or "rape" instead of reclassified as lesser offenses.

  13. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

    Said as he pulls his sheep's clothing on trying to pretend to be "centrist" so he can win election.

    He just finished with Spanberger 101, how extremists can get elected

  14. Marshal   2 months ago

    Today, conscientiousness in politics is lame, and both parties want to signal the exact opposite: that they're mean bullies. See numerous Republicans mocking Talarico's appearance and mannerism, either implying or outright asserting that he's unmanly, feminine, or possibly gay.

    I think it's lame to misstate what people are doing because doing so fits them into your hobbyhorse. They're not signaling they are bullies, they are signaling they won't be intimidated. It's weird Robby identifies those who were intimidated into accepting the woke reality which Robby pretends to oppose, but then he somehow reverts to the woke framing because it allows him to portray Reps in a worse light.

    See numerous Republicans mocking Talarico's appearance and mannerism, either implying or outright asserting that he's unmanly, feminine, or possibly gay.

    It doesn't take much to understand why Robby is over-sensitive on this issue and leaps to Talarico's defense.

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

      “…..mocking talaricos appearance…,.”

      Well, he’s definitely the kid who got picked last in any playground sportsball contests.

      Is that better?

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        I remember Soave's full-throated fury at the constant "Trump is orange" bullshit. He was ALWAYS going on and on about how bad it was to mock his appearance.

    2. Agammamon   2 months ago

      Soave only recently came out as conservative so he's still a little sensitive about it;)

  15. Marshal   2 months ago

    if you dish it out you should be able to take it. You can't be constantly screaming about how Democrats are all unmanly freaks and then get super upset when they punch back and call you ugly.

    I don't care about Dems insulting the Millers either. But I find it interesting Dems have claimed every Rep President since Bush is Hitler or the American Taliban and refer to all non-leftists as racist for asserting people of all races should be treated equally, yet no Reasoner has ever criticized Dems for whining that Reps are mean to them. Similarly only Reps engage in the Culture Wars by responding to the Dem social agenda which is literally never described as a Culture War.

    At Reason Dems can be criticized only by different and higher standards than Reps. This is how Reasoners signal their allyship.

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

      “…,..Reps engage in the Culture Wars by…..”

      Not using mass transit in large urban areas?

      Sounds silly, I know, but I learned that here.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Similarly only Reps engage in the Culture Wars by responding to the Dem social agenda which is literally never described as a Culture War.

      Worse. It's just not described as a Culture War in official meetings on record within the party. Gay rights organizations and advocates have been calling it a Culture War, and for active engagement in it, since Hunter cribbed the term Kulturkampf in the 50s. This is per the rules and by design

      It's more insanely dishonest than "The Crusades". That is, the people engaging in The Crusades didn't call themselves Crusaders. They saw themselves as knights purging their kingdoms of disorder, subversion, and social decay. The term "Crusades" didn't come around until several centuries later. The Culture Warriors on the right similarly don their armor and fight disorder and subversion specifically in opposition to published manifestos and stated social policies. Their opposition specifically, overtly, and documentedly subverts this by saying it's a Culture War (against them) when dressed in street clothes, milling about the plebs, and re-telling history but then insist it's not a Culture War while wearing their righteous armor and stabbing random bakers, pizza store owners, and wedding photographers.

  16. Rick James   2 months ago

    Huh, Harmeet Dhillon has created a 2nd amendment division inside the DOJ, where previously it had never existed. Think about that for a second.

    1. Brett Bellmore   2 months ago

      And the joke here is that this isn't Trump being pro-gun, because he isn't really. It's just Trump not being so anti-gun that he's willing to piss off his own base to attack the 2nd amendment, the way the Bushes were.

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        Nor, pointedly on the flip side, being such a pussy about a no-shit individual right as to be steam rolled by Bill Weld.

        He's not really pro-Gun but if you're going to make a 100-person Presidential committee that could cost him an election, be ready to eat your hat.

  17. mad.casual   2 months ago

    Almost makes you miss the woke era, huh?

    Not even remotely. I will absolutely take my politically adjacent catfights on social media and my pro-child castration and anti-meat "You owe us amnesty" policies out of politics over the inverse every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    Newsflash Robby: People are bullies and get bullied for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with sexuality or any sort of systemic social oppression.

  18. Jim Conley   2 months ago

    Cannibal Holocaust
    the original "found footage" horror film
    I'm not much for most of the later ones but [REC] was insanely good
    Never saw any of the sequels

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

      “Cannibal Holocaust”
      “the original “found footage” horror film”

      Was James Talarico in that? I’ll bet he was one of the first to die. You know, cuz he’s so unmanly and feminine and all that.

  19. Weigel's Cock Ring   2 months ago

    ROFLMAO, is that woman's name seriously "Paulina Mangubat"? Is she related to her fellow lipstick lesbian, Reason's very own Mingo-Mango-Mongo the dingbat? Man, that is absolutely fucking hilarious.

  20. Heresolong   2 months ago

    Regrets? Yeah, its far more effective to pretend to be a moderate until after you get elected.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      Not in the primaries. You have to pose as an extremist to get the nomination, then pretend to moderate to with the general election.

  21. Stuck in California   2 months ago

    So:

    You can't be constantly screaming about how Democrats are all unmanly freaks and then get super upset when they punch back and call you ugly.

    Obviously, this is this dude's first week on the internet.

    Almost makes you miss the woke era, huh?

    This is just rage bait.

    The reason people are so caustic is because, for YEARS (though especially in the early '20s) being normal, mainstream, reasonable, and intellectually inclusive at any point in the last 15 years could be weaponized to cancel you. Because every perfectly mild statement was met with harsh and vile accusations. Calling someone like me "racist" is horrific. Saying "Maybe it's not the worst case" regarding climate change would get me branded a "denier", equivalent to holocaust deniers and horrific anti-Semites, which is absolutely disgusting.

    Actually, I have former "friends" who posted such vile things on the facebook. If I ever see them again, I owe them a punch in the nose. Seriously, don't call me a bigot without expecting a fight. If you do, don't do it from behind a keyboard like a coward.

    People are craving someone who calls a spade a spade. Someone who will step up and say "look dude, I can take it, but I can dish it right back" isn't at all foreign to politics, and the bias toward the left-extreme in the media and institutions make being that guy all the more attractive. The dude (or lady) who doesn't fear cancellation speaking up for the rest of us. So people will fill that role.

  22. minus the clever name   2 months ago

    Not unlink almost any group,Libertarians do not know what AI is.LLMs , neural nets, NLP.THey don't know.But unlike other groups that doesn't stop them from commenting. And, yes, that is a criticism

  23. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    (For good measure, he was wearing a COVID-19 mask; this was in April 2022.)

    Ha, kapow. That alone is disqualifying to be any type of decision maker.

  24. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller referred to Talarico as Texas' "first transgender candidate," which was some kind of dig at his appearance. In response, the Democrats X account replied: "shut up you ugly fuck."

    What we should be pining for is the party's social media intern old enough to realize "shut up you ugly fuck" is basically the Dude saying, "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man" and have instead just posted that quote.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      Reason: Unmask ICE officers, do NOT unmask cunty social media managers of the DNC.

      Y'all lost this fight. When y'all had no issue with the outright doxxing of LibsofTikTok, you simply drew in the sand where the line is.

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