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Jeff Bezos

Bankrolling the Nation

Plus: Iran, hooters, DoorDash oppression, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 5.21.2026 9:33 AM

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Who should be exempt? Why does Jeff Bezos think teachers in Queens making $75,000 a year shouldn't be expected to pay taxes?

"I think what's going on is that it's kind of a tale of two economies," he told CNBC's Squawk Box yesterday. OK, uncontroversial. "You have a bunch of people in this country who are doing really well, but you also have a bunch of people in this country who are struggling—struggling to pay rent, groceries."

"A nurse in Queens who makes $75,000 a year pays 12—more than $12,000 a year in taxes," continued Bezos—the veracity of which is debatable. "Does that really make sense? So, people talk about making the tax system more progressive. How about we start by having the nurse in Queens not pay taxes?"

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"Why is a nurse in Queens who makes $75,000 a year paying more than $1,000 a month in taxes?" he continued. "That's $1,000 a month that could help with rent or groceries or anything. And so—and by the way, do you know what that all adds up to? The bottom half of income earners in this country pay only 3 percent of the taxes. It's only 3 percent. We can find 3 percent. So we don't have—it's a small amount of money for the government.…We don't have a revenue problem in this country. We already have the most progressive tax system in the world. The top 1 percent of taxpayers pay 40 percent of all the tax revenue. The bottom half pay only 3 percent. We have already, and I think it should be zero. I don't think it should be 3 percent.…We actually have a spending problem and that's a skills issue."

I mean, some parts of this are true: The federal government does have a massive spending issue. But parts of it are very muddled: Per Tax Policy Center estimates, 40 percent of households* already don't pay any federal individual income tax. We're already basically there, at the place Jeff Bezos aspires to be! And it's not great—either for those households, seemingly, which still (reasonably!) complain of high housing and healthcare and education and childcare costs, or for the federal government being able to balance the budget. (But also, the "nurse in Queens making $75,000" is an imagined person. Average salaries for New York City area registered nurses run about $96,000.)

The truth of it is that we probably need a broad tax base given how large of a welfare and entitlements state we currently have. We need taxes to fund the things we've decided to do together. I'm OK with scrapping an awful lot of that, and actually doing very little together. But in the absence of making those vast structural changes, it really rubs me the wrong way that Bezos is advocating for a further narrowing of the tax base, acting like households like mine—two income; both white collar—must bankroll nurses and teachers in Queens (both examples he cites in the interview) making $75,000 a year. These would hardly be poverty wages; but also, they're not even accurate descriptors of what nurses and teachers in New York tend to get paid these days. (And for teachers, this salary is in addition to their pensions, mind you, because, as I've reported before, blue-state teachers don't have it so bad. Tattoo that on my chest and tell it to Elizabeth Warren!)

Elsewhere, Bezos talks more sense:

"These people [Democrats like Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.)] sometimes say that, that, you know, I don't pay taxes. That's not true.…If people want me to pay more billions then let's have that debate. But don't pretend you know that this, that that's going to solve the problem. You could double the taxes I pay and it's not going to help that teacher in Queens, I promise you. You can't connect those two things, not logically. You know, there, there are more examples. Why is rent expensive? Why is rent so expensive? I recently saw somebody blamed it on Airbnb. Okay, Airbnb is not the cause of expensive rent. It's already been outlawed in New York City. And rents are still very high. So we know Airbnb isn't causing high rents. What's really causing high rent is government intervention. We subsidize demand with things like tax policy, which is fine, but at the same time, we constrain supply. We constrain supply with things like zoning and permitting. Why does it take so long to get something permitted to build? If you want rents to come down, Econ 101—Really simple. You can't subsidize demand and constrain supply. If you do, prices are going to skyrocket. But this is not anybody's fault other than government policy. And this is fixable. Again, this is a skills issue."

And, when asked about Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' (D–N.Y.) recent rant—that there's a certain level of wealth and accumulation that is unearned; that you can break rules and abuse labor laws, but you can't earn billions of dollars—Bezos responded:

"Let's say you start a burger joint. And you have ten employees and you make a little bit of money.…And so then you open a second outlet. And now you're making a little bit more money and you have 20 employees and you open a third outlet. By the time you've opened 1,000 outlets, you are a billionaire. And by the way, this is a real life story. It happens all the time. It's In-N-Out burger. It's, you know, Raising Cane's Chicken. At what point did that money all of a sudden become unethical or it didn't? There was one outlet, and then there were two, and then there were three. What you're doing, the way, the way you make $1 billion or $100 million or $10 million or anything, is you create a service that people love. And if millions of people choose your service, you're going to end up with $1 billion."

Given how Bezos accurately diagnoses our political problems throughout much of the interview, it's rather disturbing how he doesn't seem to understand a) what the current tax base looks like, and how progressive or regressive federal taxation is; and b) that we probably need a broad tax base and that further splitting into payers and nonpayers might have unintended consequences (like those who pay no taxes voting as if it's all monopoly money).


Scenes from New York: The only mergers and acquisitions I care about: "The Neue Galerie and its collections will come under the Met's administrative umbrella; Mr. Lauder and his daughter Aerin Lauder Zinterhofer will donate a further 13 paintings as well as money to cover costs associated with the merger and support an endowment that will fully fund operations and programming. The name will change to The Met Ronald S. Lauder Neue Galerie, but it will be referred to as The Met Neue Galerie," reports The Wall Street Journal. "The Met has deep holdings of work by Paul Klee and Schiele in addition to creations of the Wiener Werkstätte, a sort of early Bauhaus, only in Vienna, where a community of artists designed and made utilitarian objects. And it has a fine Beckmann painting. But its representations of other artists of these schools are spotty at best. So this alliance is transformational." The Met (as well as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!) kept me sane when my second-born was in the hospital on the Upper East Side; what a delight that the collection will grow!


QUICK HITS

  • "To reveal how Iran has been consolidating control over this strategic chokepoint in recent weeks, Reuters interviewed 20 people with knowledge of the evolving mechanism, including Asian and European shipping sources and Iranian and Iraqi officials, reviewed Iranian documents related to the vetting process, and analysed movements of ships. Taken together, they offer rare insight into how the Iranian scheme functions, with the powerful Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps playing a central role." Link here.
  • "Hooters Says Bring the Kids," courtesy of The New York Times.
  • Insane:

Within one 24 hour period, Trump:

- got out of a $100 million IRS fine
- secured "immunity" from all future tax investigations for his family and friends
- created a $1.8 billion slush fund for lawbreaking supporters
- was reported for likely insider trading worth nearly $1… pic.twitter.com/8UYkuiAB5p

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) May 20, 2026

  • This is patently false. The poor are not "being forced to rely on" services like DoorDash. Eating rice and beans and lentils and chicken breast and apples and dollar burritos and Folgers you brew at home—eating simply, and buying in bulk, and stretching food far by cooking at home—is not oppression. It's how most of our families ate, pretty much always, up until recently; it's how many of us were raised. And now, there's more knowledge-dissemination (check out FrugalityTok!) than ever before. (Others of us, in far less dire circumstances, have the ability to save time by getting groceries delivered, to then use that time for the higher-ROI activity of cooking at home. There are a lot of different options available to us all now, and truly none of them involve being forced to spend $40 a meal.)

This is bc they do not have the time or capacity to create home cooked meals. It's an issue countless ppl have tried to raise w leftists but big leftists online continue to shame/abuse poor ppl for being forced to rely on these services for meals, which act as a tax on the poor https://t.co/F3azUiucBJ

— Taylor Lorenz (@TaylorLorenz) May 20, 2026

*CORRECTION: This piece initially misstated exactly which households are not paying income tax.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Why does Jeff Bezos think teachers in Queens making $75,000 a year shouldn't be expected to pay taxes?

    He's running.

    1. Bubba Jones   2 months ago

      This is some fun math.

      The bottom 40% of the US has an effective tax rate (all in, state, local, federal) of about 15%, but they have to provide their own healthcare.

      The bottom 40% of France pays about 33% (total tax rate, not share of taxes) but healthcare is included.

      When you include the cost of healthcare, the bottom 40% of the US pays 40% of its income, whereas France stays at 33%.

      Add in child care, college tuition, etc, and it's significantly better for the bottom 40% in France.

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        Except you have to live in France.

      2. Bloodaxe   2 months ago

        The bottom 40% of Americans are richer than the bottom 40% of France, so not an apt comparison. France (by GDP per capita as of 2021) would have ranked above only Idaho and Mississippi. https://ecipe.org/publications/comparing-economic-growth-between-eu-and-us-states/

        1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

          Mississippians are richer than every large European country now

      3. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

        How many welfare sucking muzzies pay 33%?
        How much of American taxes help defend the hapless Frogs?

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Uh, did your math for the bottom 40% include transfer payments and other benefits? I bet their effective tax rate is close to 0.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          He doesnt know what effective tax rate means.

      5. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        ^ There is a total and complete pile of bullshit. Bubba Jones if full of it.

      6. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        These numbers are laughably wrong lol.

        You are using the listed tax rates. Effective rates are listed minus deductions + welfare programs. It is a negative tax rate for the bottom quintile.

        Stop using terms you dont understand.

      7. damikesc   2 months ago

        "The bottom 40% of France pays about 33% (total tax rate, not share of taxes) but healthcare is included."

        Do you want to compare the quality of the healthcare? The US is better in almost every category you could want. Look at wait times for specialists (hell, the wait time for ANY service at all) How long to get an MRI. Survival rate with cancer.

        This "included healthcare" is, at best, extremely unreliable and, at worst, will kill you faster than anything else.

        "Add in child care, college tuition, etc, and it's significantly better for the bottom 40% in France."

        Unless they ACTUALLY get sick/hurt. Then they are fucked eight ways from Sunday. But, hey, they don't have to pay for healthcare, right?

      8. See.More   2 months ago

        ... and it's significantly better for the bottom 40% in France.

        But France is poorer than Mississippi.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          If you assume that disposable income is the proper metric for poverty. I suppose it is as good as any, but it's not necessarily the best measure of quality of life.

      9. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

        HAHA
        the bottom 40% have an effective tax rate of NEGATIVE ten pct, because they are getting credits.
        Providing their own healthcare my ass.

        Anyone making less than $60k can get Obamacare practically free due to premium tax credits.
        Or their employer is subsidizing it.

  2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    Registered Nurses (RNs) in Queens, NY generally earn base salaries of $90,000 to $125,000

    Just because you have money doesn’t mean you know what you are talking about all the time.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      He probably informs himself with his own paper.

    2. damikesc   2 months ago

      Cannot figure out why anybody would assume somebody who does not live in NYC would know --- much less give a shit -- about what employees in NYC make.

    3. middlefinger   2 months ago

      I suggest Amazon put Bezos money where his mouth is. Base subscriptions on income. Your federal tax is exported to Amazon. The bottom 50 percent get free subscriptions and Amazon eats all their sales taxes.

      Who spends the most on Amazon? When the top 50 percent leave to a competitor, where does revenue come from?

      No, socialism doesn’t even work when it comes from a billionaire. He should go retire in his tax haven instead of running his mouth.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    "Hooters Says Bring the Kids," courtesy of The New York Times.

    They're going to grow up to be incels anyway.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      I miss Hooters Airline. (A real thing)

  4. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    I'm shocked, shocked, that yet another illegal alien truck driver in California was there on Biden's parole...and of course he's killed people now...

    https://nypost.com/2026/05/21/us-news/illegal-immigrant-truck-driver-manvir-singh-arrested-in-deadly-california-hit-and-run-after-biden-release/

    An illegal immigrant truck driver was arrested Tuesday after allegedly causing a deadly multi-vehicle crash in California and attempting to flee the scene, federal officials said.

    The undocumented immigrant from India, Manvir Singh, instantly killed two people near Lodi, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) alleged.

    Singh, who faces multiple charges, reportedly entered the US illegally through Arizona in 2023 and was later released by the Biden administration, federal officials told Fox News.

    His arrest also marks the fourth illegal immigrant truck driver with the last name “Singh” accused in a fatal crash since last year, DHS said, highlighting what officials described as a growing trend involving illegal immigrant commercial drivers from India.

    “Allowing illegal aliens, many of whom do not know English, to obtain CDLs to operate 18-wheelers and transport hazardous materials on America’s roads is reckless and incredibly dangerous to public safety,” officials said.

    Around 12:20 p.m., Singh reportedly skidded off a road and struck a guardrail, triggering a crash involving three other vehicles, according to Legal Advocate, citing the California Highway Patrol.

    He then attempted to flee the wreckage on foot before officials with the San Joaquin County Sheriff’s Office were able to apprehend him, officials said.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Scotus just upheld 9-0 that truck contracting services hiring these unsafe drivers can be sued. Should end soon.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Make Democratic politicians and activists personally liable for immigrants. And released prisoners. And gender-modified weirdos. And revolutionaries.

      2. middlefinger   2 months ago

        It’s hard to sue pop up businesses.

    2. middlefinger   2 months ago

      But but ThE POlLs SaY voters want open borders.

  5. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    We must stop paying attention to Taylor Lorenz.

    1. Flaco   2 months ago

      Indeed! I can't comprehend why this site keeps featuring her.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Her, matt Iglesias, meaning, nyt, wapo...

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Meaning equals masnik*

          Even had MS NOW commentary yesterday.

    2. Marshal   2 months ago

      Why don't you want to know what your enemies are doing?

      Liz is doing the exact right thing. Always show the unaffiliated how obviously wrong non-libertarians are.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Within one 24 hour period, Trump:

    - got out of a $100 million IRS fine
    - secured "immunity" from all future tax investigations for his family and friends
    - created a $1.8 billion slush fund for lawbreaking supporters

    Well, at least he did it all himself instead of some autopen jockey!

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      Nobody said who would be doing the winning.

      1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

        He was right about one thing, I'm sick of this type of winning.

    2. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

      "It's good to be the king" - Mel Brooks

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        "It's stupid to be the TDS-addled shit Leo Kovalensky II" - Sevo

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        "It's better to be the supreme leader." - Stalin, Mao, Pot, Kim...

    3. mad.casual   2 months ago

      - got out of a $100 million IRS fine

      "Because if given the choice between keeping $100M and giving it to the IRS, I'd choose the latter." - No one. Ever.

      1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

        If only we all had the ability to sue an agency we run and direct them to the settlement we wanted.

        1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

          Fuck off you lying commie. The suit began under Biden but you don't give a shit because you're a Marxist cunt who sees lawfare harassment by the State as a proper weapon against your enemies.

          1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

            The suit began under Biden

            Who cares. It was settled under whom?

  7. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Seeing on X and FB that Muslims in Dearborn--where last year the call-to-prayer over loudspeakers was an issue--are now complaining about church bells "This is a Musl*m-majority town and you have to respect us. According to Sharia, church bells cannot be louder than our Islamic call to prayer." [not sure why that's edited out in that way].

    But this could just be rage bait.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      But it's definitely an invasion.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    This is bc they do not have the time or capacity to create home cooked meals. It's an issue countless ppl have tried to raise w leftists but big leftists online continue to shame/abuse poor ppl for being forced to rely on these services for meals, which act as a tax on the poor

    First we'll teach them how to get photo ID's and then we'll tackle this kitchen self-insufficiency problem.

    1. Bubba Jones   2 months ago

      The answer is simple.

      Ban women from the workforce. This would effectively double the wages of men, and give women the free time to tradwife.

      This would force people to cohabitate, and then houses would only cost 3 raspberries.

      WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        I dunno man, have you seen the price of raspberries lately?

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Sadly it would be better than your belief to import more low wage immigrants.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        The Caliphate approves. If you throw in some veils and travel restrictions.

      4. mad.casual   2 months ago

        WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

        Women will complain about men not complimenting their cooking enough and not having anything to do with their free time, just like they did when nobody was actually barring them from the workplace.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          I'd ask how many of the jobs women do actually improve the country as a whole.

          HR has not been a boon for anybody, after all. Well, except for the women who overpopulate that department.

      5. damikesc   2 months ago

        Better option than mass immigration.

        And cooking for yourself is not that difficult. Gen Z just do not like doing a fucking thing besides looking at their damned phones.

  9. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    We need taxes to fund the things we've decided to do together.

    Who is this “we”, kemosabe?

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      All the people who keep voting for the assholes who made all the laws.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Are those the same people who voted for you to pay for everything?

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          Yes.

  10. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Hunt each one down...

    https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-ceasefire-attacks-55c889b7?mod=hp_lead_pos7

    Inside Israel’s High-Tech Campaign to Kill or Capture Every Oct. 7 Attacker

    One by one, militants who videotaped their exploits that day have been identified and killed, in a measure of Israel’s surveillance acumen and desire for retribution

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      Good

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Hope you dont get accused of being paid for by the Israel lobby.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      BUT RETRIBUTION IS OPPRESSIVE WHITE PRIVILEGE!

      Now, let's talk about slave reparations.

    4. Rocinante   2 months ago

      Gabriel Allon must be involved.

    5. Marshal   2 months ago

      Let's go with kill. Then they can't conduct raids to capture enough hostages to ransom them back.

  11. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    "A nurse in Queens who makes $75,000 a year pays 12—more than $12,000 a year in taxes," continued Bezos—the veracity of which is debatable. "Does that really make sense? So, people talk about making the tax system more progressive. How about we start by having the nurse in Queens not pay taxes?"

    How to say you are clueless about regular people AND still kinda lefty without saying you are clueless and lefty.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      "A nurse in Queens who makes $75,000 a year pays 12—more than $12,000 a year in taxes"

      In terms of percentile, she is in the bottom half of the country (or right around 50th). By all the numbers, she doesn't pay any federal taxes.

      This is the standard trick they pull with "X poor worker pays this much of their income in taxes!". Ya, those are often payroll taxes, Medicare, SS, and unemployment.

      Although, I am perfectly fine either eliminating all of the above programs, or having the nurse in queens not be able to access the above programs if she opts out.

      The problem here, and always, is people wanting services that someone else pays for.

      The bigger problem, is even if you make the tax system 5x more progressive, and confiscate the wealth of the top 1-5% of the country, spending already wouldn't be covered, and it would also massively increase, as it always does.

      We have the equivalent of a gambling and cocaine addict with an unlimited credit card that he never has to pay off, and people on the left are simply arguing "why cant his credit limit just be increased" instead of "WHY THE FUCK DOES HE HAVE THE CREDIT CARD?!?!"

    2. middlefinger   2 months ago

      You have flee socialist Seattle in order to make Florida Seattle.

  12. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Ha. Liz saw the door dash shit on X yesterday.

    A primer.

    Kevin OLeary started with the idiocy of spending 30 a day for door dash when making 70k.

    https://x.com/CryptoMikli/status/2056365855508693008

    Leading to comments like this.

    Sean Padraig McCarthy
    @SeanMcCarthyCom
    Lunch just costs $28 now. Are they not supposed to eat?

    People replied about the horror of making their own lunches.

    Brad
    @bradtherambler
    I’m generally a live within your means guy, but acting like we shouldn’t be able to complain about affordability and have to eat like we’re on war rations is ridiculous. Even when I’m shopping on a budget for groceries I end up having to spend over 100 bucks regularly.

    shan
    @shanbatla
    I just bought a whopper with cheese for $10.44. Not a meal, just the burger.

    How about I just stop eating? The I can starve and then I wont have to pay for lunch anymore.

    People explained to them the yearly cost. GenZ is addicted to door dash and convenience. Using the services far more than other generations.

    https://x.com/allie__voss/status/2056837452816433497

    Ending with 50 year old genZer TayTay.

    Taylor Lorenz
    @TaylorLorenz
    This is bc they do not have the time or capacity to create home cooked meals. It’s an issue countless ppl have tried to raise w leftists but big leftists online continue to shame/abuse poor ppl for being forced to rely on these services for meals, which act as a tax on the poor

    Thisnis the danger of consumerism and preaching no responsibilities. Something reason is at the forefront of.

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

      I make a damn good living, have no mortgage, car payments, or CC debt.

      I make breakfast and lunch every day. Not just the cost, but the food quality.

      This affords the other bad spending habits 🙂

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Yeah. Same here. Not worth spending the money on laziness. Most of the door dash good sucks. Too many calories leading to health issues. Paying 20% more because youre too lazy to walk or drive.

        These kids are insane.

        My genZ nephews can barely make spaghetti.

        Its the priblem with the lazy entitled consumerism form of marxism being taught. Americans have never had more free time than they do now.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          No joke. Kids, PB & J sandwiches are not expensive. At all. Fuck, you could make your own burgers for less than it costs to buy them.

      2. Ajsloss   2 months ago

        This affords the other bad spending habits 🙂

        Like paying for guns that keep falling off your boat?

        1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

          Guns are cheap (relatively speaking), it's feeding them that's expensive. Reloading saves money but burns time.
          Having a range on the property doesn't help.

      3. middlefinger   2 months ago

        They don’t know what slow cookers are.

    2. Super Scary   2 months ago

      It certainly doesn't help that when you suggest that they should maybe prepare a turkey sandwich and brown bag it once in a while, their response is "REEE EAT THE RICH!"

    3. Moonrocks   2 months ago

      The irony of hearing you're out of touch! from people that don't know the price of basic groceries.

    4. MT-Man   2 months ago

      What idiots. It's not hard to make a pb&j or any version of a sandwhich you want and take it lunch. I mean we meal prep for the week and it literally takes like an hour on Sunday. Figure it out. If you don't want to do that make something simple in 5 minutes before you head out the door - wait actually most of you are wfh so just go do it when you are supposedly working. You deserve to have no money if you doordash it away. Sorry but not sorry.

      1. Morbaine   2 months ago

        I drink protein shakes for lunch a few times a week ($2.50ish cost) and my co-workers always look at me like I am crazy.

    5. mad.casual   2 months ago

      How about I just stop eating?

      Reminds me of the noom commercials where the one fat chick says, "I gave up carbs for, like, a day." A day? One day. You couldn't go two full days without eating bread and/or pasta?

      A Whopper is ~700g, that's half of a roast chicken at the local grocery store that costs $8. You aren't starving, you're paying top dollar to have your preferred choice of premium shit delivered to your door.

      Stop eating? Yes. Eat half the Whopper at lunch. Stop. Then eat the other half at dinner. You still get your Whopper, every day.

      Fucking cattle at the trough, man.

  13. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'The truth of it is that we probably need a broad tax base given how large of a welfare and entitlements state we currently have.'

    And the bigger but secret truth is that to achieve the Euro-style nanny-socialist state that the left demands will also require Euro-style taxes, where everyone pays more, including a 20% national sales tax.

  14. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Or it was the jews.

    Sean Davis
    @seanmdav
    Why did Massie lose tonight?

    Massie went from principled libertarian during COVID, to GOP leadership lapdog under McCarthy, to anti-Trump Epstein obsessive in 2025 after tweeting about that issue a whopping three (3) times in the decade prior. The nail in the coffin for him was voting against OBBB in 2025 because, according to Massie, it did too much to secure the border.

    Trump mercilessly trashed Massie in 2020–calling him a “disaster” for America and Kentucky and saying he should be thrown out of the GOP entirely—but Massie easily swatted that away and won 81-19, so you can’t say he only lost because of Trump. He went toe-to-toe with Trump on COVID in 2020 and won overwhelmingly.

    Massie lost because he went from being perceived as a quirky but lovable nerd who seemed to genuinely believe everything he said, to looking like a clout-chasing influencer who cared more about getting TV time with Democrats on an issue he clearly never cared about until five minutes ago than he did about representing his voters.

    We’ll never know what caused the apparent personality change—maybe it was the death of his wife, maybe it was the McCarthy race followed by McCarthy’s ouster, or maybe it was a desire for notoriety or media acclaim and a lucrative podcasting career outside of Congress—but the drastic change was undeniable, as was the seeming lack of interest in much of anything happening in Kentucky.

    Blame Trump, blame Israel, blame Epstein, blame the tragic death of a spouse, I don’t care. But you cannot just wave away 2020 Massie going face-to-face with the Trump machine and winning in a rout only to get smoked six years later.

    Massie’s voters didn’t really change all that much, but he did, and they noticed.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Then the dishonesty Massie showed in Kentucky. Whose campaign ads countered what he did nationally.

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      Massie’s last-ditch effort of using a four year old Trump endorsement (deliberately blocking out the date by the way) perfectly summarizes just how vile and deceitful of a person he is.

      It also demonstrates Trump’s continued dominance of the Republican Party.

      Massie has been calling Trump a pedophile for over a year. Epstein Administration, Epstein Class, pedo protector, all of these slanderous titles he used to attack Trump. Regardless, when it came time to save his seat, he lies right to his voters’ faces and claims to be a loyal Trump supporter.

      He did this every time he was in his district speaking to voters face to face. He put pictures of himself with Trump in campaign ads. Despite being an anti-Trump lunatic to his online, third world fanbase, he’s smart enough to know that actual voters, actual AMERICANS, love Trump.

      Perhaps no one in history has been more deserving of a crushing, humiliating defeat than Thomas Massie. Good riddance to this piece of garbage.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        "...Massie has been calling Trump a pedophile for over a year. Epstein Administration, Epstein Class, pedo protector, all of these slanderous titles he used to attack Trump..."

        If he had anything but turnip juice, Trump should have sued him to his shoe soles.

        1. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

          Or maybe Trump didn't want to open up to discovery...

          Come to think of it, has Trump sued anyone over Epstein comments about him?

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Massie traded his principles for his ego. Ignoring who elected him, what their priorities were.

      He began seeking any outlet that would hear him. Young Turks, The Atlantic, the NYT. Hanging with Khanna. Supporting AOC and Omar on bills.

      Massie got 47k votes, more than 2 years ago. But he pissed off the other voters in his district he lost by 10 points.

      Or. It was the jews. Despite him voting against Israel for a decade.

      Some are believing he wont go quietly into the night but will follow the ego driveb path of Cheney and Kizinger. Becoming a media darling of dem networks.

      https://pjmedia.com/scott-pinsker/2026/05/20/why-thomas-massie-wanted-to-lose-n4953071

      1. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

        Excellent link. Thanks. The George Carlin quote within is priceless:

        https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/george_carlin_391529

      2. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

        Ignoring who elected him, what their priorities were.

        He won among younger voters. It seems more likely that the 55+ crowd was swayed by all of the ads they ran against him. Or maybe that generation just isn't that libertarian and were looking for a better option.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          Youngsters backing a bad candidate is nothing new.

          He decided helping Democrats was more important than anything else. Republican voters do not see that as a benefit.

    3. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

      Sure maybe it was MAGA changing their stance on the Epstein Files. Or his one vote against the OBBB, which was in line with all of his other votes against bloated spending bills.

      Or maybe... just maybe... it was the fact that he faced an unprecedented amount of money against him. And before you take me out of context (you probably will, regardless) I'm not saying there was anything illegal or immoral about the campaign against him. But you surely can't believe this wasn't an important factor.

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        MAGA realize that there is NOT A LIST. Never was one. All the FBI has is a collection of accusations with zero evidence behind them.

        I did not see Massie criticizing the Democrats who were very tight with Epstein. The VI rep who was receiving directions from him while questioning Michael Cohen. Why was SHE not a concern? Why was Hakeem Jeffries not a concern, given his ties with Epstein?

        Massie lost because he alienated the base. It is as simple as that.

        1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

          Massie lost because he alienated the base. It is as simple as that.

          Then why did so much money have to be spent to defeat him?

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            It didnt have to. Prove that was the reason.

            Why was Massie pretending to be aligned with trump in ads ran in his district?

            Its sad that you guys keep going back to the "Israel bought seat" angle because you actually have no other argument. Despite what voters and others are telling you were the reasons.

            Pretty pathetic.

            Sean Davis even points out the prior 3 elections for Massie with the same anti Israel rhetoric for fucks sake.

            1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

              It didnt have to.

              And yet it was.

            2. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

              Its sad that you guys keep going back to the "Israel bought seat"

              I didn't mention Israel, you did.

              Do you deny that there was an unprecedented amount of money spent in a congressional primary? That is a fact. I can't believe that doesn't have some impact on a race.

          2. damikesc   2 months ago

            They didn't have to use that much money. He just pissed off a lot of people.

      2. Square = Circle   2 months ago

        And before you take me out of context (you probably will, regardless)

        Oh, he will, 100%. It's what Jesse does.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Out of context? Lol. So fucking pathetic now man.

          Go back to your blame Israel/ethnic cleansing arguments like a good Massie acolytes.

          https://reason.com/2026/05/13/father-of-fertility/?comments=true#comment-11471936

          Sad how you have fallen down the same rabbit hole. Pathetic really.

          And now instead of countering any arguments actually given above it is straight to israel bought the election.

          Team jewfree and Leo will gladly support you on their team.

          Watching you and Leo continue to just throw shit at the wall while nodding your heads at each other is funny though. So congrats?

          And before you turn into a blubbering fool like the other losers like sarc and Leo, note you made the first statement. You probably wont even admit that fact.

          Just pathetic.

          1. Square = Circle   2 months ago

            ^ See?

        2. Leo Kovalensky II   2 months ago

          Well to be fair, he doesn't always take you out of context, he likes to sprinkle in a healthy dose of ad hominem attack as well.

          ^ See?

  15. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'At what point did that money all of a sudden become unethical'

    Duh. Whenever AOC or Warren or some other Neo-socialist wants to get re-elected.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      I kinda want to see Oprah put a beat down on AOC.

      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

        I was walking down Michigan Ave. In Chicago one day. A huge limo pulled up and the window rolled down. It turned out to be Oprah. She asked me "do you know how I get back to 294?"
        I said" I don't know, probably cut down on the carbs and walk more. "

  16. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'like those who pay no taxes voting as if it's all monopoly money'

    NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION!

  17. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'The only mergers and acquisitions I care about: "The Neue Galerie and its collections will come under the Met's administrative umbrella"'

    Uh, sure, Marie Antoinette.

  18. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Fifa bans Iranian flags from stadiums. No. Not the current ones. The ones prior to the 79 takeover.

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7288376/2026/05/19/world-cup-fifa-iran-flag/

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      FIFA: mullahs>>>shahs

  19. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Talking point ending soon. Boehm will be crushed.

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/oil-prices-drop-below-100-barrel-days-after-trump-says-negotiations-iran

  20. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    How LA became a mecca for global homeless.

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/la-homeless-population-migration

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Also a Mecca for global homeless support agencies and NGOs, and their elite college graduate staff. And other grifters.

    2. damikesc   2 months ago

      Nothing guarantees a problem will never be fixed than the government putting money towards fixing it.

      When people's livelihood is based on a problem, the problem being fixed is not a top priority.

  21. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    The vast abuse of the false interpretations of birthright citizenship.

    https://thefederalist.com/2026/05/18/how-the-ccp-uses-birthplace-citizenship-and-surrogacy-to-manufacture-americans/

  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'This is patently false. The poor are not "being forced to rely on" services like DoorDash.'

    Liz, did you flunk your humanities courses? Every recent college grad, as "influenced" by their professors, just knows that they are victims of an oppressive patriarchal capitalist system. Oh, racist, too.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

      There is also a tendency to consider luxuries as necessities.

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

      Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair 101 is now required coursework for any degree.

  23. Moonrocks   2 months ago

    Since when is Taylor Lorenz an authority on living in poverty?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      How dare you doubt her imaginary lived experience!

  24. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    "The bottom half pay only 3 percent. We have already, and I think it should be zero. I don't think it should be 3 percent"

    The bottom 40% pay negative income taxes, on average.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXUFEDTAXESLB0102M
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXUFEDTAXESLB0103M

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      Yes, ON AVERAGE. Not true of individuals.

      1. Ron   2 months ago

        this but also What is the salary range of the bottom 40%?
        I just tried to find it and it is fluid which which only helps those making wild claims I'm probably in the bottom 40% yet i pay as many taxes as the fictional Nurse in the article

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CXU900000LB0102M

          The 20th percentile corresponds to a household income of approximately $28,000.
          The 40th percentile corresponds to a household income of approximately $52,000.

  25. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

    the bottom 40 percent of households already don't pay any federal individual income tax

    *sigh* Bullshit. I'm getting tired of correcting this. This is the second time this morning.

  26. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Derek Thompson
    @DKThomp
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    Within one 24 hour period, Trump:

    - got out of a $100 million IRS fine
    - secured "immunity" from all future tax investigations for his family and friends
    - created a $1.8 billion slush fund for lawbreaking supporters

    - was reported for likely insider trading worth nearly $1 Show more

    Its insane liz, because it is false. Even corporate media got this right. Stop following idiots.

    https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/19/politics/irs-barred-investigating-trump-new-settlement-term?Date=20260519&Profile=CNN&utm_content=1779226193&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    The language of the agreement is in regards to past and current issues. The most audited man in history who has multiple IRS leaks is being compensated, oh noes.

    Stop with this shit.

    These are lies. The funds are to compensate victims of bidens weaponization.

    Do better.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      Came to say this. Not a single statement that guy made was true

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        And even if they were true: The IRS says you owe $100M and you reply, "Oh, OK, to whom do I write the check?". They reply, "Oh, sorry, that's $10M." or "Oh, sorry, that's $1B." do you then reply, "That's OK, as long as it wasn't $10.1M or $1.1B, that would've been ridiculous!"

        The whole thing is like the "That lady had 12 items!"/"People turning into their parents" Progressive commercial.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      There was once a libertarian newsletter published in Santa Barbara, and then came the move to LA and the arrival of Welsh, and it turned into this lying, lefty rag.

    3. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

      When it comes to Trump and his supporters, they must be guilty of something so anything done to them by lthe bureaucracy ans law enforcement is justified and unworthy of compensation.

      It seems a complete 180 on how possible abuse of power by the bureaucracy and law enforcement is normally covered.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        When they had the article complaining about this fund the same day they had one complaining about government induced costs from government actions on a different family it was amazing.

        Compensation for everyone but conservatives it seems.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Just by existing, Trump and friends cause irreparable emotional harm, aka "violence". By holding political office and power that rightly belong to elitist Democrats they subvert (D)emocracy. And by speaking and acting contrary to the Great Democratic Plan they commit unspeakable crimes against humanity.

        How much more justification for extra-legal retaliation do you want?

  27. Ajsloss   2 months ago

    Eating rice and beans and lentils and chicken breast and apples and dollar burritos and Folgers you brew at home—eating simply, and buying in bulk, and stretching food far by cooking at home—is not oppression.

    Let them eat bugs.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Yeah, but what are the bugs gonna eat?

      1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

        Are we out of dead covid grandmas already?

  28. Marshal   2 months ago

    Bezos confusion about the nature of taxes is driven by our corrupt academia. He probably naively adopted the numbers from an academic because he doesn't understand every statistic is intentionally designed to produce support for the conclusions desired by the far left. So even though we're discussing federal income tax the "tax paid" number probably includes every tax including sales tax, state income tax, property tax (imputed as part of rent paid) and most importantly FICA taxes, perhaps even the employer half as well.

    This is the function of academia. Consider Elizabeth Warren. When her research and publications were about the economics of practical decisions no one outside academia knew her name. But then she traded on the Harvard brand to produce a propaganda study which classified a bankruptcy driven by 100,000 in credit card and car loan debt as a "medical bankruptcy" if the total debt included (for example) a 2k payment plan for the kids braces. The real number is < 5%, in the 2-3% range. By designing the study in such a fraudulent way she concluded half of all personal bankruptcies in America were medical bankruptcies, and she did this specifically to help pass Obamacare.

    If our academia were what the left pretends it is she would have been roundly criticized and the study immediately discredited. Instead she was lauded so universally she parlayed her fraud into becoming the most famous, powerful, and dangerous former "academic" in the country.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      Medical debt is consuming Americans, in fact, it is the number one cause of bankruptcy, because more than 60% of Americans deplete their savings due to some unexpected healthcare cost.

      According to a study conducted in 2012 by Demos, it was determined that among indebted households 62% cited out-of-pocket medical expenses as a contribution to their debt.[ (from wikipedia)

      It's worth noting that in Canada or Switzerland, the figures are close to 0%.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        "...Medical debt is consuming Americans, in fact, it is the number one cause of bankruptcy, because more than 60% of Americans deplete their savings due to some unexpected healthcare cost..."

        1) Bankruptcies have fallen by 1,200,000 since 2010
        https://finmasters.com/personal-bankruptcy-statistics/
        2) Heavy medical costs are rarely predictable, and your health/life are probably the best reasons to file for bankruptcy, far better than that car you couldn't afford.
        3) More meaningless bullshit from the bullshitter trueman.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      "Bezos confusion about the nature of taxes is driven by our corrupt academia. "

      He's doing the same number manipulation they all do.

      The nurse in queens likely pays 0 in federal tax and minimal state tax. Almost all of a person who makes 75k a year pays is FICA. If she actually gets federal taken out, its likely all refunded.

      These talking points are old and have been refuted many times over

  29. Marshal   2 months ago

    Eating rice and beans and lentils and chicken breast and apples and dollar burritos and Folgers you brew at home—eating simply, and buying in bulk, and stretching food far by cooking at home—is not oppression.

    They don't even need to do this. While you can actually be frugal anything is better than paying inflated delivery prices.

    Saute a plate of vegetables, it's less than ten minutes work. The next day have a no-frills ham sandwich (ham is a particularly salty meat and lasts essentially forever) which I can make in less than 2 minutes. Cook a lasagna or Mexican dish once a week and it's probably 10 meals reheated. That's 45 minutes of prep work for 5 days of food. Buy a box of frozen corndogs or taquitos and pop them in the microwave or toaster oven while your winddown activity relaxes you. Not every meal needs to be worthy of Easter dinner.

    I have literally never used doordash or grubhub or any similar service. The entire argument is based in the premise that the poor should be able to spend without restraint or common sense and anything else is "oppression". It's stupid: no one else lives like this. The fact that they have to frame arguments like this shows both that (a) the faux-poor in America aren't that bad off, and more importantly that (b) moderately more money won't change anything because it will be blown on slightly more of this sort of nonsense.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      How about coffee. You can save money by buying green, unroasted coffee beans and roasting and grinding them at home. You can do it without any fancy equipment, using a simple pan on top of the stove. It takes some time and requires some attention to keep the beans stirred and even, but will save money.

      "Buy a box of frozen corndogs or taquitos and pop them in the microwave or toaster"

      No thanks. Good food takes time and saving money needs planning ahead. Soak some beans or chick peas over night. Next day cook in a pressure cooker until done and divide into serving portions. Seal in appropriate containers and freeze. They can be thawed quickly and mixed with other fresher, easily handled ingredients like rice and vegetables.

  30. minus the clever name   2 months ago

    Jeff aint lookin too good. Probably the prospect of dying and leaving billions to people who hate him for ditching the wife for the gold digger. NO woman on earth would look at him twice , looks like a talking Pez Dispenser. No, I don't think he makes the case at all

  31. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    Who should be exempt?

    There should be no income tax for anyone. Next question.

  32. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    Average salaries for New York City area registered nurses run about $96,000.)

    That's right. A nurse in Queens, NY making $75k gross salary is ALREADY a net-negative tax payer if she is not married.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      My Internet source tells me that an unregistered nurse in New York pulls in just under $60k annually.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

        comment discusses registered nurse.

        "hey i found a different stat for a different thing."

        You are the most mendacious libshit retard on this forum.

        1. mtrueman   2 months ago

          "comment discusses registered nurse."

          The article discusses nurses. Period. Unregistered nurses are nurses even if they live in Queens. Look, I get you hate unregistered nurses from Queens and the paltry sums they take home, I don't think much of them myself, to be honest. But facts are facts. Less than $60k annually according to my Internet sources. Look it up if you doubt me. And please don't call me the most mendacious libshit retard on this forum. I find it insulting and it doesn't conform to the high standards we expect of commenters here, especially those like yourself whose contributions are noted for their probity. I will have to mute you if you continue to ignore my plea for politeness and civility.

  33. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    Maybe when you tax the 'rich' productive capital assets to death the company just cuts wages.
    You can't pretend taxes don't affect everyone in their path.

    Those crying about their wages I've got one thing to say.
    You've had every opportunity to start building your own productive capital assets.
    And the only exception to that is Gov-Guns STEALING it all so someone can be treated special.

    Just because you CONSUMED, BORROWED and LOOTED yourself to death instead of attempted to build productive capital is no excuse to propose you're somehow being cheated and deserves 0% no tax special treatment.

  34. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    Within one 24 hour period, Trump:

    - got out of a $100 million IRS fine
    - secured "immunity" from all future tax investigations for his family and friends
    - created a $1.8 billion slush fund for lawbreaking supporters
    - was reported for likely insider trading worth nearly $1 billion

    All of the obvious things to say about this are true. It's bad. Nobody even tries to defend it.

    I'll defend it. The "fine" was bullshit, politically motivated. The future immunity is necessary to protect his family from future political witch hunts. Forcing the IRS to pay off it's targeted victims is a GOOD thing fuck the IRS with a rusty chainsaw.
    the insider trading is speculation and no ties to Trump actually exist.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      He doesnt have future immunity. It only covers past and current investigations.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

        Thanks. I had assumed that was an exaggeration but treated it at face value anyway. I'd still support a blanked future protection for all possible investigations into him and his family and I didnt even vote for him. the lawfare against this man has been a travesty and an embarrassment to our nation.

  35. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    Why bother even referencing or quoting Taylor fucking Lorenz. she is a complete dipshit even dumber that Matty Glesias. A waste of everyone's time to even engage that lowIQ slop

    1. Dillinger   2 months ago

      it remains difficult for Liz to determine what is and is not a proper reference

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

        Meh. Referencing an idiot like Lorenz in order to mock her is not a bad occasional guilty pleasure.

        And what’s that bitch doing on X, anyway? Shouldn’t she be on bluesky? Haha.

  36. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

    Jeff Bezos is wrong about the progressiveness of the the US Income tax. Republican in the name of simplification have over years condensed the tax brackets to three. The tax brackets are not the real source of the complexity of the income tax. Rather than suggest that a nurse making $70K annually not pay taxes, less suggest that the nurse pay at a more appropriate rate. Increase the number of tax brackets so that as income increases the rate is gradually increased.

    1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

      Increase the tax brackets....well, increase them enough and you have another help to the rich as they can afford the financial planners, accountants and tax lawyers who help them but not the poor family man scrubbing to make a go of things. I bet you have big bucks yourself or this would have occurred to you. Many taxers are on time , difficulty, fear of being held in non-compliance etc.

      PAY ATTENTION (nore than)MODERATEly wrong\

      Taxpayers will spend an estimated 6.93 billion hours to complete their 2025 taxes—down from a peak of 7.93 billion hours in 2023 and marking the second consecutive annual decline.

      Tax compliance costs include $319.7 billion in lost time and at least $157.1 billion in out-of-pocket expenses, including tax software and professional services.

      The out-of-pocket estimate is incomplete because the IRS has not yet completed analysis for some tax forms, as required under the Paperwork Reduction Act.

      Since 2000, Congress has made 9,630 changes to the tax code—roughly one per day. Most changes add new rules, thresholds, or reporting requirements that make compliance more burdensome.

      The TCJA reduced the tax code to 3.96 million words, but subsequent pandemic-era provisions and new deductions have pushed it back up to roughly 4.26 million words.

      NOW WILL YOU ADMIT YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

        Taxes are complicated but the tax rate on the AGI is a simple mathematical calculation that can be done in minutes. Does it really take longer to multiple by 25% than it takes to multiple by 20%? The complexity of taxes is not in the rates but in how a person determines their AGI. Take Socials Security, which I receive, and which is taxed as 85% of what you have received. But if you have a low income it is taxed at a lower rate. For me taxes are simple, I just write down 85% of the Social Security I received. A poor person has to complete a worksheet to determine what portion of the Social Security is added to there AGI. Both I and the poor person may have our AGI taxed at the same rate.

        1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

          simple , my ass, what about the MAGI that the IRS uses

          The Complication: Why MAGI is so trickyThe main reason MAGI is complicated is that there is no single, fixed calculation for it. The IRS changes the rules on what to add or subtract depending on what specific tax benefit or government program you are applying for.For example, your MAGI for your Health Insurance Marketplace subsidy will be calculated slightly differently than your MAGI for determining Roth IRA eligibility.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      The tax code has never been more progressive, even after the 2017 changes dumdum.

    3. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      The tax code is uniquely and historically progressive as is.

      The issue is everyone wants to promise unlimited services to the middle and lower classes (or illegal class), and doesn't want to have to tell them they will pay for it.

      That really is the entire game, this is not rocket science. Complete with the scapegoat of "if Elon just paid his fair share we could have utopia". This is honestly boring at this point

      1. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

        I disagree and believe that current rates fall short of being progressive. I would add additional tax rates and modify lower tax brackets. I think everyone above poverty line should pay taxes and have skin in the game. I think the levels of graduation in the rate can be improved. I am not looking to stick it to the rich but ending the tax rates below a baselevel of 1M in todays economy does not seem reasonable. Not with people earning over a billion dollars annually.

        1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

          "I disagree and believe "

          Ya, im sure you do those things. This is the problem with the modern left. You believe shit that doesn't exist in reality.

          As is, the top 1% are paying the lions share. The top 25% are paying nearly all of the taxes. The bottom half pay nothing. This is progressive, and its more progressive than anywhere in the world. Just because "you believe" otherwise, is irrelevant.

          The fact is, politicians want to promise things to the middle class and below for free, and those people are happy for others to foot the bill. And they are. And politicians are mad that they went on a spending spree and spent all the wealthy's money, so now they are coming back hat in hand, looking for more hand outs, because they promised the middle class they could get benefits with someone else paying the tab.

          This is same shit different day. We have done this, rehashed this, get over it. You have a spending problem, and you want to promise free goodies without taxing the people that benefit from it

  37. See.More   2 months ago

    @Liz Wolfe

    ... We need taxes to fund the things we've decided to do together...

    Just because you cannot conceive of a better mechanism for funding the state, that does not mean that "[we] need taxes."

  38. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >> it's rather disturbing how he doesn't seem to understand a) what the current tax base looks like, and how progressive or regressive federal taxation is; and b) that we probably need a broad tax base and that further splitting into payers and nonpayers might have unintended consequences

    lol tyrant. taxation is theft.

  39. Think It Through   2 months ago

    Everyone should pay SOME taxes to have skin in the game. If you earn only $1 in an entire year, you should pay 5 cents.

    No one should get a tax "refund" that is greater than the amount of taxes they paid in.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      Adam Smith's fourth principle of taxation:

      “Every tax ought to be so contrived as both to take out and to keep out of the pockets of the people as little as possible, over and above what it brings into the public treasury of the state.”

      Paying the salaries of bureaucrats to collect 5c yearly from America's least affluent does not comport well Smith's principles.

    2. See.More   2 months ago

      Everyone should pay SOME taxes . . .

      Fuck off slaver! Find a better way to fund the government that isn't predicated on legalized and rationalized theft.

    3. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

      income taxes are a subset of all possible taxation schemes.

      No one should pay income tax whatsoever.

      1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

        The amount of times the govt puts its hand in the cookie jar, from my company taking in money (reaches in) to distributing to employees (reaches in), to taxing the investments I make with money thats already been taxed 2x....

        its already WAY too much

    4. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

      Milton Friedman had proposed a negative income tax (NIT) for the poorest with the idea this money replacing a number of safety net program. The NIT gave the poorest money but did not attach a bunch of strings.

      1. minus the clever name   2 months ago

        But why are they poor. Sen Moynihan said that government destroyed families, promoted abortion, worked against marriage, created a generation of uneducated male criminals.

        Today, many scholars think Moynihan identified some real long-term social trends:

        father absence,
        concentrated poverty,
        declining male employment,
        weakened community institutions,
        and intergenerational disadvantage.

        You show no moderaton !! Government destroys society and you want them in there to do more.

        What did abortion end up doing for Blacks?

        “Since the number of current living blacks
        (in the U.S.) is 31 million, the missing 10 million represents
        an enormous loss for, without abortion, America’s black
        community would now number 41 million persons. It would
        be 35 percent larger than it is currently. Abortion has swept
        through the black community cutting down every fourth
        member.”

  40. TangoDelta   2 months ago

    "Eating rice and beans and lentils and chicken breast and apples and dollar burritos and Folgers you brew at home"

    Considering how few millennials even know how to make avocado toast much less even know what lentils are we can't expect them to know that eggs are probably the cheapest food out there. I paid under $1.50 for a dozen at aldi which is about 12 cents and 70 calories per egg. That means they're 1/4 the cost of chicken or beef on a calories per dollar basis and the sky's practically the limit of what you can make with them whether it's a cobb salad, quiche, custards, egg drop soup, etc.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      Even when eggs cost 3x that much, they're a pretty great bang for your buck. You can also buy chicken thighs, or even drumsticks if you really want to slum it, instead of breasts and get more flavor and calories for less money.

  41. Agammamon   2 months ago

    >"A nurse in Queens who makes $75,000 a year pays 12—more than $12,000 a year in taxes," continued Bezos—the veracity of which is debatable.

    Do you not do your own taxes Liz? Or are you trying to break out Medicare and FICA from 'taxes'?

    Because *at the low end* of the wage scale they're taking 13ish% out of your paycheck. That's for min-wage earners. It only goes up from there.

  42. jagjr   2 months ago

    "I'm OK with scrapping an awful lot of that, and actually doing very little together."

    I would amend the statement with "via government and taxes." there are many other models - yesterday you pointed out one of them, the Central Park Conservancy. we have a long history in the USA of doing things to support the community together - but only a recent history of coopting government to do it and using tax dollars to support it. there is a much longer history of community associations, civic organizations, non-profits, and religious affiliated organizations doing these community support efforts.

  43. minus the clever name   2 months ago

    I'm sure the Nazi feminists on here don't know this great woman, but I will just give the quote

    By domination only one side gets what it wants; by compromise neither side gets what it wants; by integration we find a way by which both sides may get what they wish.” “Management is the art of getting things done through people.” “Unity, not uniformity, must be our aim.

    ==> and that means an electorate that knows its own Founding and basic Economics. is that the case ?

    Only 1 in 3 Americans (36%) would pass a basic U.S. citizenship test, according to national surveys.

    As of 2026, national surveys indicate a significant gap between perceived and actual economic knowledge among American adults. While many voters feel confident in their understanding, objective testing reveals that 86% of Americans fail a basic economics test

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