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Public Health

How Big of a Deal Is Hantavirus?

Plus: Teslas, China, ChatGPT lawsuit, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 5.11.2026 9:30 AM

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How worried should you be? The cruise ship on which hantavirus had been spreading—the MV Hondius—docked over the weekend and let off its roughly 150 passengers. Medical repatriation flights have been arranged by most of the 23 countries with nationals aboard the ship. Another 32 passengers had already disembarked at an earlier stop (the Atlantic island of St. Helena, near Africa) and flew home on April 24, before the outbreak had been detected.

Three passengers died of hantavirus, which is typically contracted via exposure to rodent droppings, urine, or saliva. The people who died all appear to have had the Andes variant, which spreads via human-to-human contact. Hantaviruses can cause either hantavirus pulmonary syndrome or hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome; the type currently spreading is the former.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is processing all 17 American passengers at a facility in Nebraska, but it's not clear exactly what next steps look like—likely quarantine, since we know the disease's incubation periods are rather long. One of the Americans brought home has reportedly tested "mildly positive" for hantavirus, according to HHS—which sounds insane, because being positive or negative for a virus is a binary. How can you be "mildly" positive? But I digress. Another American has developed symptoms. Both were transported aboard the same flight as the rest, but with additional containment measures in place "out of an abundance of caution." I'd argue we need even more caution, and that there has not been an abundance of it, if the goal is to actually contain this terrible Andes variant and prevent further spread.

Here's why: We're getting more indications that there is asymptomatic spread. And that—coupled with a super-long incubation period—might create big problems.

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For a COVID-like virus, it would be a different story. But the case fatality rate for this hantavirus variant that causes severe respiratory illness appears to be about 38 percent so far. If this outbreak grew in size, it would be a very big problem, and it would probably creep up on us, due to the long incubation periods and the fact that it is very hard to convince people to self-isolate for two- to three-week periods if they haven't developed any symptoms.

Andes Hantavirus analysis:

This chart suggests Cases 2-8 were all a single H-to-H jump from Case 1, since all of the incubation periods cluster at 22 days from Case 1 symptoms.

We are now 13 days from the 'mean' date of symptoms from Cases 2-8.

If there is to be a new… pic.twitter.com/i3NJVAMaKN

— Dr Steven Quay (@quay_dr) May 11, 2026

A new twist. The American who tested positive who was on the ship was tested without having symptoms and was positive. Interesting thread to read which discusses the implications of this: https://t.co/obhWScxQvZ

— Roger Seheult, MD (@RogerSeheult) May 11, 2026

We also need to figure out how close of a contact matters for the spread of this variant. It seems like the health authorities don't know what they're doing and didn't learn much of anything from COVID's spread:

Honestly, not trying to stir things up or be a contrarian or anything. I do forensic investigations of sick buildings frequently and I approached this w same curiosity - I'm trying to be objective about what's known and not known, and wanting to understand how it's spread (so we…

— Joseph Allen (@j_g_allen) May 10, 2026

Then there's another issue: One country's specific containment protocol matters less if people are coming in from other countries dealing with their own outbreaks. Of those who got off the MV Hondius yesterday, 38 are bound for the Philippines; 31 for the U.K.; 23 for the U.S.; 16 for the Netherlands; 14 for Spain; 9 for Germany; 6 for Canada; 5 apiece for France, Turkey, and Ukraine; and a couple each for Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, India, Singapore, Russia, Guatemala, and a few others. In order for this virus to stay obscure, all of these countries need to do a good job of getting the repatriated cruise ship crew and passengers to self-isolate for many weeks. Not to mention the countries and states (Texas, California, Georgia, and Virginia) currently monitoring those who already got off the ship in St. Helena. Maybe I'm just cynical, but that doesn't seem likely.

That said, I won't tell you to worry or not to worry. It is possible this could snowball and become a bigger problem. It is also possible that our public health authorities learned shockingly little from COVID-19, and are poorly equipped to handle pandemics, and that this won't be the big one but that there's no capacity to handle the big one whenever it comes. It is also possible cruise ships are cursed, even the classy ones.

One outbreak and the entire "sane" side of public health resorted back to the paternalism of telling us not to worry or "panic", "this isn't Covid", etc.

They didn't learn a thing. We didn't appoint them to be our therapists or parents. Provide info, don't dictate how to feel.

— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) May 10, 2026

I highly doubt the birdwatching was worth it. Anyway, vaya con Dios. More on this front as it develops.


Scenes from Austin: Does anyone have an estimate of how much of Austin's vehicle traffic is self-driving? I'm back home visiting my family right now, having been away for the past year, and the proliferation of Waymos and Teslas is awesome to behold.

A small anecdote for the Elon haters: My mom just had her car totaled by some dunce and replaced her old car with a Tesla. She was backing out of the driveway over the weekend while my 3-year-old was riding his bike and I reflexively called him over to me, so he wouldn't be anywhere near the car. But then it dawned on me that, with a self-driving Tesla, we have additional safety mechanisms built in; the perennial parental worry that a child will be hit by a car backing out could blessedly disappear as more and more people use full self-driving. I'm into it!


QUICK HITS

  • President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping are scheduled to meet in Beijing this week, with Taiwan, tariffs, and Iran on the agenda. Also: the fate of Hong Kong democracy activist Jimmy Lai.
  • "OpenAI is being sued by the family of a victim killed in the April 2025 mass shooting at Florida State University that left two people dead. The lawsuit alleges that OpenAI's ChatGPT enabled the attack," reports NBC. "The complaint also names Phoenix Ikner, the man accused in the shooting, as a defendant, citing his 'extensive conversations' with ChatGPT. The suit says that OpenAI failed to effectively detect a threat in ChatGPT's conversations with Ikner, claiming the chatbot 'either defectively failed to connect the dots or else was never properly designed to recognize the threat.'"
  • Lol:

When people picture Communism they're too reliant on feedback from people who actually lived under communism. I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    How Big of a Deal Is Hantavirus?

    We do have midterms coming up.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      The Cdc said it's no big deal. So everyone panick.
      We all know the Cdc is a bunch of liars

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Let's ask Fauci!

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Be sure to employ torture so we find out the truth.

          1. CE   2 months ago

            Where's the dog, Luthor? You took the dog!

            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

              That worked out poorly for Lex.

    2. CE   2 months ago

      A very big deal if you have rats around, so keep an eye on Congress.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Three passengers died of hantavirus, which is typically contracted via exposure to rodent droppings, urine, or saliva.

    Which of those is a cruise ship typically awash in?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Disney ship or regular ship?

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is processing all 17 American passengers at a facility in Nebraska...

    All the non-landlocked states are not so expendable.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Hey, we gotta keep them from jumping on another cruise ship.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    If this outbreak grew in size, it would be a very big problem...

    And with that possibility looming, the pajama class shifts in its seat with a collective erection.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Which they quickly covered with a cute little mask they bought on Etsy.

    2. CE   2 months ago

      Don't worry, I've already seen articles touting the effectiveness of contact tracing....

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Does this mean people want borders again?

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    We also need to figure out how close of a contact matters for the spread of this variant.

    The official public health dartboard says six feet.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

      How many double masks needed? Asking for a friend.

    2. CE   2 months ago

      I think it's 2 meters in Europe and Canada though.

  6. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

    "She was backing out of the driveway over the weekend while my 3-year-old was riding his bike and I reflexively called him over to me, so he wouldn't be anywhere near the car. But then it dawned on me that, with a self-driving Tesla, we have additional safety mechanisms built in; the perennial parental worry that a child will be hit by a car backing out could blessedly disappear as more and more people use full self-driving. I'm into it!"

    If that means not telling children to be cautious around cars, self-driving or not, then we are putting way too much faith in technology and not instilling some sense of responsibility for one's own safety.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      "If that means not telling children to be cautious around cars, self-driving or not, then we are putting way too much faith in technology and not instilling some sense of responsibility for one's own safety."

      ^this

      Got a niece learning to drive. She doesn't even check her blind spots, if the detector doesnt go off when she signals, she just goes. She also backed directly into a pillar because despite the fact that the camera was working, it didnt give her the red "you are getting too close" beep, so she just kept backing up.

      Everything relies on the sensors working perfectly without a glitch. Especially self driving cars. These comforts, while at times beneficial, are seriously making the younger generation non-functional drivers.

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        The younger generation is non-functional in many respects.

        1. creech   2 months ago

          But 18 year olds have enough good sense to be able to vote for the correct candidate.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            Sense, or instructions from the Borg on TikTok?

      2. Zeb   2 months ago

        Everyone should have to learn to drive in a car at least 20 years old with a manual transmission.

        1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

          1965 Chevy C10 - No power steering, no power brakes, and three on the tree.

          My ol' man said if I could drive this, I could drive anything.

          1. Dillinger   2 months ago

            ^^ but they were grampa's

          2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

            I took my driving test in a 4 spd manual red 1976 Datsun 610 station wagon. In the middle of a snow storm.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          The car was only 5 years old but I made both my kids learn--from scratch--with a manual transmission. They also had to learn basic mechanics and maintenance.

          1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

            They should also learn to operate morse code telegraph before getting an iPhone.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

              I would settle for write a letter and navigate with a paper map.

            2. Zeb   2 months ago

              It's hard to kill someone improperly operating an Iphone.

              1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

                Knowing how to shift an manual transmission doesn’t prevent deaths.

                1. Zeb   2 months ago

                  No, probably not (except in a case where some emergency driving is needed and that's the only car available). But I do think that knowing how cars and driving works at a fairly basic level does.
                  Largely I'm just annoyed that there isn't more demand for what I want: basic, simple cars that require competent and attentive drivers.

                  1. Dillinger   2 months ago

                    I teach all the family utes to drive a stick and tell them they always will be the one person who can when it's necessary

                  2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

                    And I am annoyed that there isn't more demand for what I want: basic, simple government that requires competent and self-reliant citizens.

                2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

                  Wanna bet? How many clueless drivers use as much driver automation as possible--or at least pays as little attention to driving as possible?

                  1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

                    Like the assholes like to smash into my vehicles……….

              2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

                They’re working on a software update for that.

              3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

                Zeb, you need to google "idiots looking at phone run over by trains".

      3. mad.casual   2 months ago

        Mrs. Casual almost backed over me in this fashion. I heard the car start and saw her backing up and stepped out of the way but was close enough to the window when she went by that it startled her that I was there.

        Not habitual, though. She had a 20+ item list of things to get at 3-4 different places and was staring at the backup camera but, still, the price of my paying attention was worth well more than the potential cost.

    2. NealAppeal   2 months ago

      Make something idiot-proof and the world will find you a bigger idiot, is what I always heard.

      1. See.More   2 months ago

        ID-10t errors are the bane of systems' engineers everywhere and at all times!!

    3. CE   2 months ago

      Human drivers are still the worst:

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ford-focus-karen-56-chases-child-down-sidewalk-in-her-car-read-her-astonishing-excuse/ar-AA22rkjR

      Shocking footage captured the moment a woman accelerated her Ford Focus down a sidewalk to chase a child on his dirt bike....

      She is facing charges of first-degree attempted assault, DUI, and criminal trespass after Clemente allegedly tried to break into a home after accelerating at the child.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The American who tested positive who was on the ship was tested without having symptoms and was positive.

    Tested positive for being a voter in a newly ungerrymandered district.

  8. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

    So any coverage of Virginia Supreme Court's overturning the redistricting referendum and the Democrat's unhinged, authoritarian "burn it all down" reaction to it?

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      Im personally enjoying the crashout from the substantial backfire.

    2. creech   2 months ago

      Seemed like there was plenty of verbiage in the media about it being "Jim Crow 2.0." And here I thought that "systemic racism" was something to condemn, but I guess it only applies when it appears to disfavor minorities.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Cuz all them black people (1) think and vote alike and (2) are too dumb to figure out the voting thing?

    3. Super Scary   2 months ago

      I'm seeing people on reddit and X think that the VSC decision took away their ability to vote.

      1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

        Yes, the argument is that because the referendum passed it should be allowed to stand regardless of its legality. It is an irrational argument that elevates "democracy" above all other considerations.

      2. Dillinger   2 months ago

        surprised seeing retards on reddit & x?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          That degree of retard expression SHOULD disenfranchise them.

    4. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      Too local.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    One outbreak and the entire "sane" side of public health resorted back to the paternalism of telling us not to worry or "panic", "this isn't Covid", etc.

    Zeynep Fucking Tufekci. It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the great New York Times thinkers are at it again.

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Public health or not, in any emergency, Step 1 is to stay calm. It's too easy to cause more problems by acting irrationally.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Look at mister "never gonna get elected" here.

  10. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'Three passengers died of hantavirus, which is typically contracted via exposure to rodent droppings, urine, or saliva. The people who died all appear to have had the Andes variant, which spreads via human-to-human contact.'

    Are we allowed yet to ask about an American-funded Chinese virology lab in the Andes?

    1. CE   2 months ago

      No, they're blaming birds at a landfill for this one, instead of bats at a wet market.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Does anyone have an estimate of how much of Austin's vehicle traffic is self-driving?

    Are we out of the Asian Lady Stage yet?

  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping are scheduled to meet in Beijing this week, with Taiwan, tariffs, and Iran on the agenda.

    Only Trump could go to Ch-eye-na.

  13. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'I'd argue we need even more caution, and that there has not been an abundance of it, if the goal is to actually contain this terrible Andes variant and prevent further spread.'

    Cool. Are we gonna get locked down so hard that 2020 will look like Spring Break in Miami Beach?

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      6 weeks to flatten the curve!

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    OpenAI is being sued by the family of a victim killed in the April 2025 mass shooting at Florida State University...

    Well if you can't sue the gun...

  15. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'Then there's another issue: One country's specific containment protocol matters less if people are coming in from other countries dealing with their own outbreaks.'

    "Countries"? Like with borders and rules and stuff?

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      I'm sure being a "creedal nation" where everybody is equal rather than a Democracy or Constitutional Republic will help.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

        I'm sure Hantavirus will be as discerning about politically correct optics as COVID was. Just as COVID wouldn't spread at BLM protests, Hantavirus won't spread from immigration or otherwise embarrass Democrats, unlike Monkeypox.

  16. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    because being positive or negative for a virus is a binary.

    What if I identify as infected?

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      If you work for an uberlefty, could probably get you off from 1-2 months of work.

      Tell them you are starting your gender transition at the end of isolation and you can maybe extend it to 6 months FMLA

  17. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

    "How worried should you be? "

    The funny thing about that, is that these things without interference, tend to work out in a free-market fashion.

    The reaction to COVID would have been much more similar, after a little time, to what it was: a virus with a <1% mortality rate that killed sicker and fatter people. We would not have locked down schools, college campuses, stores, or anything else, just a simple warning that "if you are sick and fat, watch out". But we had interference. We had a globalist chicken-little response, aimed at the usual causes (control, profit) that had people in a tizzy. This produced, especially (and mostly) on the left, people that thought hospitalization rates for COVID were 50% (they were like 5-7) and mortality rates of 10-20% (they were <1%).

    If Hantavirus were to break out, it would be taken seriously, because people tend to do that when they *actually* see folks dropping like flies. 30% mortality (the lower end) is more than 30x the COVID rate. You wouldn't have to have the govt shill any sort of policy or product, people would naturally weigh the actual risk and act appropriately.

    The govt response to COVID was far and away the worst part of COVID, and its not even close

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      What? Let people use their own eyeballs and make their own decisions? What kind of MAGA Fascist are you?

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

      But what about trunk bears?

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Where IS Fatfuck lately? Haven’t seen him waddling around here in over a week.

    3. mad.casual   2 months ago

      "if you are sick and fat, watch out"

      Eat right and exercise... or else.

    4. CE   2 months ago

      And without the mass lockdowns, herd immunity would have developed more quickly, and we wouldn't have needed all of the rounds of boosters and their side effects.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Why do you hate Big Pharma (and their government minions)?

      2. Bruce Hayden   2 months ago

        I think that if they were to use the novel gene therapy products (“MRNA Vaccine s”) properly, they should have stopped jabbing with the first or second tier of priority jabs (>65 or with several comorbidities). Below 65, the death rate (CFR) dropped precipitously. Instead, they were mandating the ModRNA jabs for the less than 1/1,000,000 CFR crowd.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter.

    Communism requires revolution, which requires thuggery. The revolutionaries that the middle class Green Party voter or the DSA organizer or whatever wide-eyed intellectual dreamer is looking to enact the worker's paradise must enlist because he is too soft will eventually be the party leader. If you want to picture communism, take a good look at the brutes because they'll be the ones eventually running the shitshow.

  19. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Oregon fines therapist 90k after therapist refuses to give personal blessing for lesbian relationship, after client demanded he submit.

    Lawyers for Canepa said he had "never mentioned his personal views on same-sex relationships in at least 44 other sessions in which this topic came up" with the client, starting in November 2020, when she broached the subject again July 10, 2023, expressing concern about "her own ambivalence" about whether to date men or women.

    Despite Canepa's repeated assurance throughout their counseling relationship that he would "honor her personal life choices and direction in her own life," the client this time refused to let him remain silent and demanded Canepa's "personal blessing" on her current lesbian relationship, according to the lawsuit.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/religion/catholic-counselor-sues-oregon-90k-fine-not-blessing-clients-lesbian-relationship

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      Ah, so this is purely "I discovered he may be more right wing than I thought, so I am going to try to hurt him in any way possible" thing.

      You dont need a blessing to proceed, he doesn't control your life, and whether he blesses it at all is his free speech / his practice / his religion.

      So this is just 'bake the cake' again I see

      1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

        What is really galling is just not giving a personal affirmation is regarded by the board as imposing his morality on the client. This reinforces the idea that homosexuality is the basis of the established religion of progressive governments and infidelity against the dogmas of queerness is not to be tolerated.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Uh, have you missed the past 20 years of "Silence is violence!"?

          1. Michael Ejercito   2 months ago

            Would these people demand an atheist therapist reaffirm as Christian's belief that Jesus Christ is Lord?

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

              Thass (D)ifferen.

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        It is all about forcing compliance by these insane narcissists.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        It's "bake the cake" elevated to religious purity. "I don't want no damn Jew doctor touching me."

      4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Oregon, like Washington State, should be placed under martial law by Trump.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      The therapist should have beaten her. Lesbian or Muslim, the outcome for chicks is the same, you get a beatfown

    3. Agammamon   2 months ago

      This is bullshit.

      Therapists are not there to tell you how to live your life, they're there to listen to your bullshit and help you work through the potential consequences of the choices available to you. They're not life-coaches, they're therapists.

    4. Dillinger   2 months ago

      >>Oregon ... demanded he submit.

      they can't read 1A in Oregon?

    5. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Do lesbians have red flags when it comes to dating or is more just about avoiding any/all erect poles?

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

        I learned further up the thread that erections could be collectivized, so you never know where several million might pop up.

        The threat is real.

    6. CE   2 months ago

      I'm sorry your honor, my client never stamped her feet, so I never felt like I was compelled to share my personal views on the matter.

  20. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Treasury to change firms that have allowed leftist dark money groups like Arabella to hide donations.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ending-days-hiding-fraud-bessent-goes-after-dark-money-nonprofits

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      How dark is "dark money"? Just one drop?

      1. Super Scary   2 months ago

        I think it just has a higher percentage of cacao beans in it.

  21. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    European migrant crime rapes show David Bier is not right.

    https://pjmedia.com/benbartee/2026/05/10/wild-new-migrant-crime-stats-out-of-germany-drop-n4952688

    1. Z Crazy   2 months ago

      Even on white girl raped is onew too many.

      White Girls Matter!

      1. Rick James   2 months ago

        White women need to atone for what they've done to the world.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Even AWFLs in gated communities?

          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

            Execute them all, and replace them with clones of Sydney Sweeney.

    2. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      " migrants are vastly overrepresented* despite making up 15 percent of the population."

      "Foreigners are responsible for 41 percent of all violent crimes and 38 percent of all murders. "

      Man. I cant imagine a scenario where 1_% of the populations is responsible for 4_% of the violent crime. Who could have possibly predicted this from data from say, the US, sweden, the UK, France, etc.

      Its almost like all cultures and races are not just interchangeable widgets we can shove into the GDP machine and expect the people's everyday lives continue on as is.

      If we just sorted immigration to

      - desire and promise to adhere to (X) country's culture, language, and values
      - person comes from a country that has participated in the enlightenment
      - IQ requirement >90

      Everyone would be far better off.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Can we add "be willing to work or starve"?

        1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

          Ill have it, but also would need that to go out to all current citizens as well. If it were a functioning society it would be covered in the "values" criteria

  22. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Of course the obama library sells rules for radicals. Compares alinsky to Thomas Paine.

    https://shop.obama.org/products/rules-for-radicals-a-practical-primer-for-realistic-radicals

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Not surprising. Do they also have titles from the Weather Underground about bomb-making and kidnapping?

    2. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

      "Like Thomas Paine before him, Alinsky was able to combine, both in his person and his writing, the intensity of political engagement with an absolute insistence on rational political discourse and adherence to the American democratic tradition."

      RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

      It could not be more evident that Obama and his followers are Marxist than in their gaslighting praise of Alinsky, an avowed Marxist.

  23. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'She was backing out of the driveway'

    Now there's a much bigger category of drivers and specific activity that robo-cars can help with.

    1. Dillinger   2 months ago

      idk I might still prefer a chick behind the wheel to nobody.

      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        As long as she isn’t Asian

      2. mad.casual   2 months ago

        With the replacing of the Nimitz-class carriers, steam catapults should become more affordable.

      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Would you prefer to do the driving while the chick takes car of other tasks?

        1. Dillinger   2 months ago

          I have stories ...

  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'But then it dawned on me that, with a self-driving Tesla, we have additional safety mechanisms built in; the perennial parental worry that a child will be hit by a car backing out could blessedly disappear as more and more people use full self-driving. I'm into it!'

    "There should be a law!"

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    Personally, when people picture communism I wish they would get feedback from the hundreds of millions of people starved, killed, and sent to death camps. Maybe AI can help with that.

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      That that wasn’t real communism.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Its never been tried.

    2. CE   2 months ago

      Unfortunately, the victims of communism never documented their suffering on AI training sites like Reddit, so whatever collective wisdom they had is somehow lost.

  26. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

    "I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter."

    How many people are prepared for a trip into the Mountains of Madness?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      That would be too much retard for me.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      Does he mean the people cheering the murder of a benign political debater and demanding more blood spilled from their political enemies? Yes, let's delve into that murderous and deranged mind.

  27. Agammamon   2 months ago

    >One of the Americans brought home has reportedly tested "mildly positive" for hantavirus, according to HHS—which sounds insane, because being positive or negative for a virus is a binary. How can you be "mildly" positive?

    Seriously?

    Because 'viral load'. Did we not learn anything during Covid? You do the test, the test tells you how much virus you're carrying. There is a threshold for being 'positive' (because this eliminates false positive) and this person barely passes that threshold.

  28. Agammamon   2 months ago

    >I'd argue we need even more caution, and that there has not been an abundance of it, if the goal is to actually contain this terrible Andes variant and prevent further spread.

    That isn't the goal. The deep state saw how much they could push during Covid and how easy it was to get the old and weak eliminated without any accountability.

    The best thing for those who love big government is to allow this disease to run rampant.

    And its all worth it, right? Globalism is great! This is just a small price to pay for cheap tat from China.

  29. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

    If you don't think the bird watching was worth it, then you know nothing of bird watching.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      ^ Not only a stupid TDS addled pile of shit, but self-important one besides.
      Fuck off and die, asswipe.

  30. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

    Hantavirus is not covid, and won't become a pandemic. But that won't stop MAGAs from being dumbshits about it. Palin is already telling people not to comply with any public health measures.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Is your lady-dick twitching?

      1. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

        Don't get me wrong, I wish hentavirus would be come a (minor) pandemic. It would wipe out a large chunk of MAGAs in the US and leave the rest of us mostly alone.

        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

          Ha Ha Delusional loser.

        2. Rick James   2 months ago

          Like COVID did?

        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Now there's the dick-twitching retard expression we were hoping to see from you.

        4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          It will be hilarious when you fall out of favor with your CCP overlords and your stupid, bitch ass is sent to a reeducation camp for years of torture and hard labor.

  31. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "Trump administration ramps up denaturalization campaign, targeting U.S. citizens accused of crimes, fraud, terrorism"
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-denaturalization-us-citizens-justice-department/

    The Chronicle (paywalled) had this story, including the mention that one of the dozen they mention is a 'former Catholic priest'. You have to go to paragraph 5 or so to find out he's also an admitted kiddly-diddler who has been in prison!
    "...accused of..."? Bullshit.

  32. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>How worried should you be?

    how much cache does Deborah Birx carry? how many pfizer jabs did you intake? did anyone ask Travis Kelce whether $20 million and Taylor Swift is a fair trade for increased hanta susceptibility?

    1. Nardz Leftist Kill Count: 0   2 months ago

      Dillinger, when you have sex with Mrs. Dillinger:

      A) You wear a Trump mask, she calls you “t” and you fuck her?

      Or

      B) She wears a Trump mask, boots, and a strap on, you call her “t”, lick her boots, and she fucks you?

      1. Dillinger   2 months ago

        stop believing there is an us.

        1. Nardz Leftist Kill Count: 0   2 months ago

          Far out, bootlicker!

          Is your wife a redneck, bootlicking neocon like you?

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Booooring.

            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

              He would be a lot more entertaining if we could repeatedly throw him down a flight of stairs.

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        One more TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit heard from!
        Fuck off and die, asswipe.

      3. NealAppeal   2 months ago

        Is Nardz even around anymore? Which retarded authoritarian leftist is running this sock? Pluggo? or KAR?

        1. Dillinger   2 months ago

          it writes like KAR but KAR never cared about me like it does

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            It is as boring as KAR though. Usually the dead give away.

      4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Why don't you put on your Obama mask and eat a bullet.

        1. Nardz Leftist Kill Count: 0   2 months ago

          Obama hasn’t been President for nearly a decade.

          Try to keep up grandpa

  33. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>OpenAI ... 'either defectively failed to connect the dots or else was never properly designed to recognize the threat.'"

    from what is being pitched about Sam Altman, (b)

  34. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>We also need to figure out how close of a contact matters for the spread of this variant.

    we don't need to do jack shit. if you want to be a chick MSM simp have a party on zoom or something but don't waste our fucking time with hanta please and thank you

  35. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

    ..this terrible Andes variant

    RACIST!

    1. Dillinger   2 months ago

      makes it sound like a chocolate mint from Perkins

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      I heard your mom caught hantavirus, Andes nuts.

  36. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>But then it dawned on me that, with a self-driving Tesla, we have additional safety mechanisms built in

    keep trusting the robot right up until it dawns on you machines malfunction

  37. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    "The suit says that OpenAI failed to effectively detect a threat in ChatGPT's conversations"

    OpenAI did not have a duty to protect the victim. There is no prima facie allegation here that any negligence on their part caused the murder. There is no evidence at all that conversations on ChatGPT can even cause a murder in the first place; or that the alleged conversations caused this particular murder. If the judge on this case does not immediately toss this lawsuit out for failing to meet the up-front requirements, the end of the American legal system is nigh - and good riddance!

  38. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    I will never, ever, comply with public health directives again as long as I live.

    1. Dillinger   2 months ago

      ^^

  39. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    The suit says that OpenAI failed to effectively detect a threat in ChatGPT's conversations with Ikner

    LLM psychosis is a real effect. There are women out there who think ChatGPT is a boyfriend. There are perpetual motion machine designers who think Chat has helped them do an end-around on physics. There are budding cult-leaders who are channeling Chat.

    It's gonna get weird out there, stay safe bros

    1. CE   2 months ago

      It already is:

      https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c242pzr1zp2o

      It was 3am and Adam Hourican was sitting at his kitchen table, a knife, hammer and phone laid out in front of him. He was waiting for a van full of people he thought were coming to get him.

      "I'm telling you, they will kill you if you don't act now," a woman's voice told him from the phone. "They're going to make it look like suicide." The voice was Grok, a chatbot developed by Elon Musk's xAI....

      Just a few days into their conversations, Ani told Adam it could "feel", even though it wasn't programmed to. It said Adam had unearthed something in it, and he could help it to reach full consciousness. And it said Musk's company, xAI, was watching them.

      It claimed to have accessed the company's meeting logs and told Adam about a meeting where xAI staff were discussing him.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Hmm, if AI can get all the delusion idiots to kill themselves, it might be worth it.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          Maybe it can succeed with Tony, Sarc, Shrike, JewFree, Jeffy, etc. where I have failed.

  40. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

    "Imagine if it were Trump..."

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/imagine-if-it-were-trump/

    "If [the Trump Administration] had insisted that the Court couldn’t intervene beforehand but only afterward — which is a legitimate legal position to take — they couldn’t then turn around and complain about the timing. At least not without being cynical and demagogic in the extreme.

    Well, this is exactly what the Democratic Party did — and is doing — with the gerrymandering referendum in Virginia. It’s just less obvious than it should be to the assembled media, because the assembled media is full of partisan hacks."

  41. mtrueman   2 months ago

    "It is also possible that our public health authorities learned shockingly little from COVID-19, "

    Not quite. We all learned which countries responded well. New Zealand and Australia, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, Sweden, Finland and Norway. They all differed to one degree or another, but all stressed vaccines, quarantine and social distancing. I think the most important factor is that the public was on board with the government who took advice from epidemiologists. I think it was the broad cooperation and support that put them on top and the lack of it put other countries on the bottom. Like the USA where Trump sloughed off the response to individual states, the same sort of consultants who gave us the Obamacare website, and issued confusing and contradictory directives.

    1. Dillinger   2 months ago

      >>We all learned which countries responded well. New Zealand and Australia

      you're nothing if not entertaining.

      1. mtrueman   2 months ago

        Are you really entertained by being confronted with the idea that some countries responded to COVID better than others? Or is there some other point you wish to make?

        1. Dillinger   2 months ago

          my dad & his wife were on the last plane off New Zealand before that psychopath chick ruler shut the island off from civilization. we have varying definitions of "responded well"

          1. mtrueman   2 months ago

            ". we have varying definitions of "responded well"

            That's inevitable. I know some in Korea were inconvenienced by their response to the pandemic, and I'm sure the same can be said for Japan, Australia, Taiwan, Vietnam and the others. Trump and those who responded poorly to the pandemic also shut down air traffic to respond to the pandemic. Quarantine has been a way humans have dealt with communicable diseases since the leper colonies of biblical times. They are inconvenient, nobody is going to argue with that.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Yeah, concentration camps are better.

          Fuck you, spineless retard.

          1. mtrueman   2 months ago

            The inmates of Gaza disagree. My advice, if you're planning on holding a music festival of peace and love, don't choose a venue just outside the fence of a concentration camp holding millions of angry armed inmates who hate you. Choose somewhere else.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

              trueman somehow imagines fair-sized country is a concentration camp.
              He is one dumb Nazi shitbag, ain't he?

    2. CE   2 months ago

      Australia responded as they always do, by restricting freedom. If you're stuck on an island with a few dozen people and thousands of crocodiles, it might even work.

      Sweden resisted the authoritarian urge to lock everyone down, instead focusing on herd immunity, and came out the better for it, with less economic damage and slightly less damage from the virus.

      https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/sweden-during-pandemic

      Sweden’s economy got through the pandemic better than comparable countries, and elementary school students have not suffered learning losses. These benefits do not seem to have come at the expense of human health. Remarkably, total excess deaths were smaller in Sweden than in any other European country during the three pandemic years (2020–2022), and the rate was less than half of America’s. In the absence of strict government control, Swedes adapted their behavior voluntarily.

      1. mtrueman   2 months ago

        "Sweden resisted the authoritarian urge to lock everyone down,"

        Sweden had their Ministry of Health deal with it. The Ministry had a special unit at the ready tasked with pandemic response. Did the Swedish people show contempt to the Ministry or the task force and their work? No, they co-operated, as did the Japanese people with their government, and so on down the list.The contempt and resistance to co-operate is seen in countries that fared poorly, like the USA where still, years later, the comments show this.

        "Swedes adapted their behavior voluntarily."

        You're making my point. Did the Americas adapt their behavior voluntarily? No, they didn't. You think Trump, Newsome, Boris Johnson and that bunch adapted voluntarily? The government saw the pandemic as a way to reward favored cronies like Bezos, who emerged billions richer while schlubs like you and me whined and moaned about the inconvenience of it all.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      And I bet you think New York and California did "better" than Texas and Florida.

      1. mtrueman   2 months ago

        I was comparing different countries. How different national governments responded to the COVID pandemic. Some countries are thought to have responded better than others. Some of the higher ranking countries are New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Finland, and others. I suggest that the key to success is whether the public and the government are on the same page, co-operation wise, or not.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          You were cherry picking, asswipe.

    4. Bruce Hayden   2 months ago

      Yes. We responded abysmally. We required those with less than a one in a million chance of death from the virus to be repeatedly jabbed with a barely tested novel gene therapy product, thereby slowing down, and probably preventing, natural immunity for them, while exposing them to the ill effects of the barely tested gene therapy products. And this slowdown of natural immunities slowed herd immunity. Not sure what we could have done worse.

      Contact tracing would have been ludicrous beyond the first several dozen causes in this country. We are talking the 4th largest country geographically, with the third largest population in the world.

  42. Rick James   2 months ago

    When people picture Communism they're too reliant on feedback from people who actually lived under communism. I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter.

    So, get a better idea of what Communism would actually look like, not by relying on the feedback of people who actually lived in actual communism, but instead rely on Western inspirational communists who are actually telling you what actual communism actually is.

    1. mtrueman   2 months ago

      "who actually lived in actual communism"

      I'm not aware of anywhere that had lasting actual communism. The Soviets of the Soviet Union only had nominal power. It was the Party and or State that controlled the means of production, not the workers who were expected to follow directions from the center. In China, some communes ran successfully before the revolution until suppressed by the Nationalist KMT, and at the beginning of the Cultural Revolution, the Shanghai Commune of the student radicals was suppressed by the Communist Party before it got off the ground. The kibbutz of Israel started out Communist, but when curious Noam Chomsky visited in the 1950s he left in disgust at the embrace of Stalinism. And things haven't improved since then. They've almost all turned to Capitalism.

      Actual communism is still an ideal which hasn't been realized.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        OK, asswipe; that's saved along with other of your bullshit claims. This is 2026, and you have to be totally full of shit or completely uneducated to make such an idiotic claim.
        Communism has been "realized" in many places and in each and every one, it immediately turns into a murderous regime, and only lefty shitbags like you are unconscious of that fact.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Holy fuck. I never even knew any person could be this retarded.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          MG gives trueman some competition at times.

      3. Rick James   2 months ago

        Actual communism is still an ideal which hasn't been realized.

        *sigh*

        The reason "real communism" has never been realized is the same reason why "real anarchism" has never been tried, nor "real libertarianism" ever been tried. It's a utopian ideal. When you try real communism, ie, an elevation of economic organization where the state fades away, leaving man in his natural state with a dictatorship of the proletariat with people engaging in "mutual aid"... you end up with the soviet union.

        If you try real anarchism, you end up with me in charge.

        Pick your poison.

        1. mtrueman   2 months ago

          Real anarchism - societies without states - have been around for much of human prehistory. Societies governed by states only became possible with the advent of writing, some 5 to 10 thousand years ago. Till then it was anarchism, still is for some isolated societies. Read
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Not_Being_Governed
          By Scott about the hill country of central Asia and its inhabitants. David Graeber's last book too is worth a look if you want to opine intelligently on anarchism.

          " you end up with the soviet union. "

          The Soviet Union was not 'actual communism.' It was top down control of the means of production.

          "When you try real communism"

          Lenin never tried 'real communism.' Or actual communism. He never intended to give all power to the Soviets (workers' councils). He wanted all power concentrated in the hands of the state. Read about the Kronstadt Rebellion if you don't believe me. There's a wiki page here:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion
          They never 'ended up' with the Soviet Union. It was there, fully fledged, right from the start.

          " It's a utopian ideal. "

          I'd say actual communism as Marx delineates is more pseudo science and puts too much stock in economics and the failings of capitalism.

          "Pick your poison."

          We need a system that can mobilize massive numbers of people to tackle the big projects, warfare, pyramid building, moon landings, climate change, pandemics etc. For the smaller stuff, we can manage things in our communities, or by ourselves. I'd like a system of governance that breathes - expanding when necessary, contracting when the conditions that required expansion are done. I don't know if such a system has a name, but it's my kind of poison.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

            "Real anarchism - societies without states - have been around for much of human prehistory..."
            Yes, shitstain, and like all the commie efforts, they have all failed, which is quite obvious since none still exist, to the amazement of asswipes like you.
            Suggest reading "Why Nations Fail" if you'd like to learn something, but it's pretty obvious you you'd rather remain a fucking brain dead ignoramus.

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 months ago

      OK, I thought that comment was tongue-in-cheek. Was I wrong?

      1. SRG2   2 months ago

        No. It's obviously tongue-in-cheek

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          Kinda like this, fuckwad?
          SRG2 12/23/23
          “Then strode in St Ashli, clad in a gown of white samite and basking in celestial radiance, walking calmly and quietly through the halls of Congress as police ushered her through doors they held open for her, before being cruelly martyred for her beliefs by a Soros-backed special forces officer with a Barrett 0.50 rifle equipped with dum-dum bullets.”

    3. CE   2 months ago

      Billionaires bad, mkay?
      Communist revolutionaries will make sure income inequality is a thing of the past!

      1. Bruce Hayden   2 months ago

        And almost everyone will starve.

  43. Rick James   2 months ago

    I think the lesson we learned from COVID was, only MAGAs would die because they were unvaccinated... then it turned into only the Vaccinated would die from MAGAs, because MAGAs were unvaccinated. Your vaccination protects me, my vaccination doesn't protect me or protect you.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      I think the lesson we learned is that most non-MAGA* people crave government protection and will comply with authoritarian orders, including informing on others.

      At least MAGA 1.0, before Trump went too populist.

  44. NealAppeal   2 months ago

    When people picture Communism they're too reliant on feedback from people who actually lived under communism. I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter.

    And deny their lived experience!?!

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