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Public Health

How Big of a Deal Is Hantavirus?

Plus: Teslas, China, ChatGPT lawsuit, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 5.11.2026 9:30 AM

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How worried should you be? The cruise ship on which hantavirus had been spreading—the MV Hondius—docked over the weekend and let off its roughly 150 passengers. Medical repatriation flights have been arranged by most of the 23 countries with nationals aboard the ship. Another 32 passengers had already disembarked at an earlier stop (the Atlantic island of St. Helena, near Africa) and flew home on April 24, before the outbreak had been detected.

Three passengers died of hantavirus, which is typically contracted via exposure to rodent droppings, urine, or saliva. The people who died all appear to have had the Andes variant, which spreads via human-to-human contact. Hantaviruses can cause either hantavirus pulmonary syndrome or hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome; the type currently spreading is the former.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is processing all 17 American passengers at a facility in Nebraska, but it's not clear exactly what next steps look like—likely quarantine, since we know the disease's incubation periods are rather long. One of the Americans brought home has reportedly tested "mildly positive" for hantavirus, according to HHS—which sounds insane, because being positive or negative for a virus is a binary. How can you be "mildly" positive? But I digress. Another American has developed symptoms. Both were transported aboard the same flight as the rest, but with additional containment measures in place "out of an abundance of caution." I'd argue we need even more caution, and that there has not been an abundance of it, if the goal is to actually contain this terrible Andes variant and prevent further spread.

Here's why: We're getting more indications that there is asymptomatic spread. And that—coupled with a super-long incubation period—might create big problems.

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For a COVID-like virus, it would be a different story. But the case fatality rate for this hantavirus variant that causes severe respiratory illness appears to be about 38 percent so far. If this outbreak grew in size, it would be a very big problem, and it would probably creep up on us, due to the long incubation periods and the fact that it is very hard to convince people to self-isolate for two- to three-week periods if they haven't developed any symptoms.

Andes Hantavirus analysis:

This chart suggests Cases 2-8 were all a single H-to-H jump from Case 1, since all of the incubation periods cluster at 22 days from Case 1 symptoms.

We are now 13 days from the 'mean' date of symptoms from Cases 2-8.

If there is to be a new… pic.twitter.com/i3NJVAMaKN

— Dr Steven Quay (@quay_dr) May 11, 2026

A new twist. The American who tested positive who was on the ship was tested without having symptoms and was positive. Interesting thread to read which discusses the implications of this: https://t.co/obhWScxQvZ

— Roger Seheult, MD (@RogerSeheult) May 11, 2026

We also need to figure out how close of a contact matters for the spread of this variant. It seems like the health authorities don't know what they're doing and didn't learn much of anything from COVID's spread:

Honestly, not trying to stir things up or be a contrarian or anything. I do forensic investigations of sick buildings frequently and I approached this w same curiosity - I'm trying to be objective about what's known and not known, and wanting to understand how it's spread (so we…

— Joseph Allen (@j_g_allen) May 10, 2026

Then there's another issue: One country's specific containment protocol matters less if people are coming in from other countries dealing with their own outbreaks. Of those who got off the MV Hondius yesterday, 38 are bound for the Philippines; 31 for the U.K.; 23 for the U.S.; 16 for the Netherlands; 14 for Spain; 9 for Germany; 6 for Canada; 5 apiece for France, Turkey, and Ukraine; and a couple each for Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, India, Singapore, Russia, Guatemala, and a few others. In order for this virus to stay obscure, all of these countries need to do a good job of getting the repatriated cruise ship crew and passengers to self-isolate for many weeks. Not to mention the countries and states (Texas, California, Georgia, and Virginia) currently monitoring those who already got off the ship in St. Helena. Maybe I'm just cynical, but that doesn't seem likely.

That said, I won't tell you to worry or not to worry. It is possible this could snowball and become a bigger problem. It is also possible that our public health authorities learned shockingly little from COVID-19, and are poorly equipped to handle pandemics, and that this won't be the big one but that there's no capacity to handle the big one whenever it comes. It is also possible cruise ships are cursed, even the classy ones.

One outbreak and the entire "sane" side of public health resorted back to the paternalism of telling us not to worry or "panic", "this isn't Covid", etc.

They didn't learn a thing. We didn't appoint them to be our therapists or parents. Provide info, don't dictate how to feel.

— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) May 10, 2026

I highly doubt the birdwatching was worth it. Anyway, vaya con Dios. More on this front as it develops.


Scenes from Austin: Does anyone have an estimate of how much of Austin's vehicle traffic is self-driving? I'm back home visiting my family right now, having been away for the past year, and the proliferation of Waymos and Teslas is awesome to behold.

A small anecdote for the Elon haters: My mom just had her car totaled by some dunce and replaced her old car with a Tesla. She was backing out of the driveway over the weekend while my 3-year-old was riding his bike and I reflexively called him over to me, so he wouldn't be anywhere near the car. But then it dawned on me that, with a self-driving Tesla, we have additional safety mechanisms built in; the perennial parental worry that a child will be hit by a car backing out could blessedly disappear as more and more people use full self-driving. I'm into it!


QUICK HITS

  • President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping are scheduled to meet in Beijing this week, with Taiwan, tariffs, and Iran on the agenda. Also: the fate of Hong Kong democracy activist Jimmy Lai.
  • "OpenAI is being sued by the family of a victim killed in the April 2025 mass shooting at Florida State University that left two people dead. The lawsuit alleges that OpenAI's ChatGPT enabled the attack," reports NBC. "The complaint also names Phoenix Ikner, the man accused in the shooting, as a defendant, citing his 'extensive conversations' with ChatGPT. The suit says that OpenAI failed to effectively detect a threat in ChatGPT's conversations with Ikner, claiming the chatbot 'either defectively failed to connect the dots or else was never properly designed to recognize the threat.'"
  • Lol:

When people picture Communism they're too reliant on feedback from people who actually lived under communism. I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 hours ago

    How Big of a Deal Is Hantavirus?

    We do have midterms coming up.

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   1 hour ago

      The Cdc said it's no big deal. So everyone panick.
      We all know the Cdc is a bunch of liars

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   45 minutes ago

        Let's ask Fauci!

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 hours ago

    Three passengers died of hantavirus, which is typically contracted via exposure to rodent droppings, urine, or saliva.

    Which of those is a cruise ship typically awash in?

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   45 minutes ago

      Disney ship or regular ship?

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  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 hours ago

    The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is processing all 17 American passengers at a facility in Nebraska...

    All the non-landlocked states are not so expendable.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   44 minutes ago

      Hey, we gotta keep them from jumping on another cruise ship.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 hours ago

    If this outbreak grew in size, it would be a very big problem...

    And with that possibility looming, the pajama class shifts in its seat with a collective erection.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   43 minutes ago

      Which they quickly covered with a cute little mask they bought on Etsy.

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  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 hours ago

    We also need to figure out how close of a contact matters for the spread of this variant.

    The official public health dartboard says six feet.

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    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   10 minutes ago

      How many double masks needed? Asking for a friend.

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  6. Mickey Rat   2 hours ago

    "She was backing out of the driveway over the weekend while my 3-year-old was riding his bike and I reflexively called him over to me, so he wouldn't be anywhere near the car. But then it dawned on me that, with a self-driving Tesla, we have additional safety mechanisms built in; the perennial parental worry that a child will be hit by a car backing out could blessedly disappear as more and more people use full self-driving. I'm into it!"

    If that means not telling children to be cautious around cars, self-driving or not, then we are putting way too much faith in technology and not instilling some sense of responsibility for one's own safety.

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    1. Mike Parsons   1 hour ago

      "If that means not telling children to be cautious around cars, self-driving or not, then we are putting way too much faith in technology and not instilling some sense of responsibility for one's own safety."

      ^this

      Got a niece learning to drive. She doesn't even check her blind spots, if the detector doesnt go off when she signals, she just goes. She also backed directly into a pillar because despite the fact that the camera was working, it didnt give her the red "you are getting too close" beep, so she just kept backing up.

      Everything relies on the sensors working perfectly without a glitch. Especially self driving cars. These comforts, while at times beneficial, are seriously making the younger generation non-functional drivers.

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   58 minutes ago

        The younger generation is non-functional in many respects.

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        1. creech   51 minutes ago

          But 18 year olds have enough good sense to be able to vote for the correct candidate.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   39 minutes ago

            Sense, or instructions from the Borg on TikTok?

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      2. Zeb   49 minutes ago

        Everyone should have to learn to drive in a car at least 20 years old with a manual transmission.

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        1. Idaho-Bob   44 minutes ago

          1965 Chevy C10 - No power steering, no power brakes, and three on the tree.

          My ol' man said if I could drive this, I could drive anything.

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        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   38 minutes ago

          The car was only 5 years old but I made both my kids learn--from scratch--with a manual transmission. They also had to learn basic mechanics and maintenance.

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          1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   36 minutes ago

            They should also learn to operate morse code telegraph before getting an iPhone.

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            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   13 minutes ago

              I would settle for write a letter and navigate with a paper map.

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  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 hours ago

    The American who tested positive who was on the ship was tested without having symptoms and was positive.

    Tested positive for being a voter in a newly ungerrymandered district.

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  8. Mickey Rat   1 hour ago

    So any coverage of Virginia Supreme Court's overturning the redistricting referendum and the Democrat's unhinged, authoritarian "burn it all down" reaction to it?

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    1. Mike Parsons   50 minutes ago

      Im personally enjoying the crashout from the substantial backfire.

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    2. creech   47 minutes ago

      Seemed like there was plenty of verbiage in the media about it being "Jim Crow 2.0." And here I thought that "systemic racism" was something to condemn, but I guess it only applies when it appears to disfavor minorities.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   36 minutes ago

        Cuz all them black people (1) think and vote alike and (2) are too dumb to figure out the voting thing?

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    3. Super Scary   5 minutes ago

      I'm seeing people on reddit and X think that the VSC decision took away their ability to vote.

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  9. Fist of Etiquette   1 hour ago

    One outbreak and the entire "sane" side of public health resorted back to the paternalism of telling us not to worry or "panic", "this isn't Covid", etc.

    Zeynep Fucking Tufekci. It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that the great New York Times thinkers are at it again.

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  10. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 hour ago

    'Three passengers died of hantavirus, which is typically contracted via exposure to rodent droppings, urine, or saliva. The people who died all appear to have had the Andes variant, which spreads via human-to-human contact.'

    Are we allowed yet to ask about an American-funded Chinese virology lab in the Andes?

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  11. Fist of Etiquette   1 hour ago

    Does anyone have an estimate of how much of Austin's vehicle traffic is self-driving?

    Are we out of the Asian Lady Stage yet?

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   1 hour ago

    President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping are scheduled to meet in Beijing this week, with Taiwan, tariffs, and Iran on the agenda.

    Only Trump could go to Ch-eye-na.

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  13. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 hour ago

    'I'd argue we need even more caution, and that there has not been an abundance of it, if the goal is to actually contain this terrible Andes variant and prevent further spread.'

    Cool. Are we gonna get locked down so hard that 2020 will look like Spring Break in Miami Beach?

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   1 hour ago

      6 weeks to flatten the curve!

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  14. Fist of Etiquette   1 hour ago

    OpenAI is being sued by the family of a victim killed in the April 2025 mass shooting at Florida State University...

    Well if you can't sue the gun...

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  15. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 hour ago

    'Then there's another issue: One country's specific containment protocol matters less if people are coming in from other countries dealing with their own outbreaks.'

    "Countries"? Like with borders and rules and stuff?

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  16. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   1 hour ago

    because being positive or negative for a virus is a binary.

    What if I identify as infected?

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    1. Mike Parsons   1 hour ago

      If you work for an uberlefty, could probably get you off from 1-2 months of work.

      Tell them you are starting your gender transition at the end of isolation and you can maybe extend it to 6 months FMLA

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  17. Mike Parsons   1 hour ago

    "How worried should you be? "

    The funny thing about that, is that these things without interference, tend to work out in a free-market fashion.

    The reaction to COVID would have been much more similar, after a little time, to what it was: a virus with a <1% mortality rate that killed sicker and fatter people. We would not have locked down schools, college campuses, stores, or anything else, just a simple warning that "if you are sick and fat, watch out". But we had interference. We had a globalist chicken-little response, aimed at the usual causes (control, profit) that had people in a tizzy. This produced, especially (and mostly) on the left, people that thought hospitalization rates for COVID were 50% (they were like 5-7) and mortality rates of 10-20% (they were <1%).

    If Hantavirus were to break out, it would be taken seriously, because people tend to do that when they *actually* see folks dropping like flies. 30% mortality (the lower end) is more than 30x the COVID rate. You wouldn't have to have the govt shill any sort of policy or product, people would naturally weigh the actual risk and act appropriately.

    The govt response to COVID was far and away the worst part of COVID, and its not even close

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   30 minutes ago

      What? Let people use their own eyeballs and make their own decisions? What kind of MAGA Fascist are you?

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  18. Fist of Etiquette   1 hour ago

    I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter.

    Communism requires revolution, which requires thuggery. The revolutionaries that the middle class Green Party voter or the DSA organizer or whatever wide-eyed intellectual dreamer is looking to enact the worker's paradise must enlist because he is too soft will eventually be the party leader. If you want to picture communism, take a good look at the brutes because they'll be the ones eventually running the shitshow.

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  19. JesseAz (RIP CK)   1 hour ago

    Oregon fines therapist 90k after therapist refuses to give personal blessing for lesbian relationship, after client demanded he submit.

    Lawyers for Canepa said he had "never mentioned his personal views on same-sex relationships in at least 44 other sessions in which this topic came up" with the client, starting in November 2020, when she broached the subject again July 10, 2023, expressing concern about "her own ambivalence" about whether to date men or women.

    Despite Canepa's repeated assurance throughout their counseling relationship that he would "honor her personal life choices and direction in her own life," the client this time refused to let him remain silent and demanded Canepa's "personal blessing" on her current lesbian relationship, according to the lawsuit.

    https://justthenews.com/nation/religion/catholic-counselor-sues-oregon-90k-fine-not-blessing-clients-lesbian-relationship

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    1. Mike Parsons   57 minutes ago

      Ah, so this is purely "I discovered he may be more right wing than I thought, so I am going to try to hurt him in any way possible" thing.

      You dont need a blessing to proceed, he doesn't control your life, and whether he blesses it at all is his free speech / his practice / his religion.

      So this is just 'bake the cake' again I see

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      1. Mickey Rat   39 minutes ago

        What is really galling is just not giving a personal affirmation is regarded by the board as imposing his morality on the client. This reinforces the idea that homosexuality is the basis of the established religion of progressive governments and infidelity against the dogmas of queerness is not to be tolerated.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   21 minutes ago

          Uh, have you missed the past 20 years of "Silence is violence!"?

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      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   34 minutes ago

        It is all about forcing compliance by these insane narcissists.

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      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   21 minutes ago

        It's "bake the cake" elevated to religious purity. "I don't want no damn Jew doctor touching me."

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    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   25 minutes ago

      The therapist should have beaten her. Lesbian or Muslim, the outcome for chicks is the same, you get a beatfown

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    3. Agammamon   15 minutes ago

      This is bullshit.

      Therapists are not there to tell you how to live your life, they're there to listen to your bullshit and help you work through the potential consequences of the choices available to you. They're not life-coaches, they're therapists.

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  20. JesseAz (RIP CK)   1 hour ago

    Treasury to change firms that have allowed leftist dark money groups like Arabella to hide donations.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ending-days-hiding-fraud-bessent-goes-after-dark-money-nonprofits

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   19 minutes ago

      How dark is "dark money"? Just one drop?

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  21. JesseAz (RIP CK)   1 hour ago

    European migrant crime rapes show David Bier is not right.

    https://pjmedia.com/benbartee/2026/05/10/wild-new-migrant-crime-stats-out-of-germany-drop-n4952688

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    1. Z Crazy   14 minutes ago

      Even on white girl raped is onew too many.

      White Girls Matter!

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  22. JesseAz (RIP CK)   59 minutes ago

    Of course the obama library sells rules for radicals. Compares alinsky to Thomas Paine.

    https://shop.obama.org/products/rules-for-radicals-a-practical-primer-for-realistic-radicals

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   17 minutes ago

      Not surprising. Do they also have titles from the Weather Underground about bomb-making and kidnapping?

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  23. Earth-based Human Skeptic   51 minutes ago

    'She was backing out of the driveway'

    Now there's a much bigger category of drivers and specific activity that robo-cars can help with.

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  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   50 minutes ago

    'But then it dawned on me that, with a self-driving Tesla, we have additional safety mechanisms built in; the perennial parental worry that a child will be hit by a car backing out could blessedly disappear as more and more people use full self-driving. I'm into it!'

    "There should be a law!"

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  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   47 minutes ago

    Personally, when people picture communism I wish they would get feedback from the hundreds of millions of people starved, killed, and sent to death camps. Maybe AI can help with that.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   33 minutes ago

      That that wasn’t real communism.

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  26. Mickey Rat   31 minutes ago

    "I think we can get a better image of what Communism would actually look like by delving into the imagination of a middle class Green Party voter."

    How many people are prepared for a trip into the Mountains of Madness?

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   16 minutes ago

      That would be too much retard for me.

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  27. Agammamon   27 minutes ago

    >One of the Americans brought home has reportedly tested "mildly positive" for hantavirus, according to HHS—which sounds insane, because being positive or negative for a virus is a binary. How can you be "mildly" positive?

    Seriously?

    Because 'viral load'. Did we not learn anything during Covid? You do the test, the test tells you how much virus you're carrying. There is a threshold for being 'positive' (because this eliminates false positive) and this person barely passes that threshold.

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  28. Agammamon   25 minutes ago

    >I'd argue we need even more caution, and that there has not been an abundance of it, if the goal is to actually contain this terrible Andes variant and prevent further spread.

    That isn't the goal. The deep state saw how much they could push during Covid and how easy it was to get the old and weak eliminated without any accountability.

    The best thing for those who love big government is to allow this disease to run rampant.

    And its all worth it, right? Globalism is great! This is just a small price to pay for cheap tat from China.

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  29. MollyGodiva   16 minutes ago

    If you don't think the bird watching was worth it, then you know nothing of bird watching.

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  30. MollyGodiva   15 minutes ago

    Hantavirus is not covid, and won't become a pandemic. But that won't stop MAGAs from being dumbshits about it. Palin is already telling people not to comply with any public health measures.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   48 seconds ago

      Is your lady-dick twitching?

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