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Social Security

What if Social Security Was Capped at $100,000 Annually?

One weird trick could extend Social Security's solvency while reducing payments to the wealthiest households. But it doesn't go far enough.

Eric Boehm | 4.9.2026 1:15 PM

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As Social Security careens towards insolvency in the early 2030s, policymakers and the American public will have to reconsider what the old-age pension program is meant to accomplish.

Is Social Security meant to provide a safety net for senior citizens, ensuring that those who do not have sufficient private retirement savings are kept out of poverty? Or is it meant to finance lavish retirement lifestyles for those who earned large sums during their working years?

Social Security was intended to be the former—President Franklin Delano Roosevelt promised that it would protect against "poverty-ridden old age," when he signed the program into law in 1935.

These days, however, it often operates as the latter. This year, households where both couples maxed out their Social Security contributions during their working years will be eligible to receive as much as $124,000. Most households do not qualify for anywhere near that much, of course, but the fact that younger (and generally much poorer) working-age Americans are being taxed to finance six-figure retirement payments for the wealthiest retirees is finally getting some of the scrutiny that it deserves.

It might also point the way towards a partial solution for Social Security's fiscal problems.

Capping annual Social Security payments at $100,000 per household (or $50,000 per individual) would help extend the program's solvency without raising taxes on workers or cutting benefits to retirees who actually depend on the program to make ends meet, according to a report published last month by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB). The so-called "Six-Figure Limit" on Social Security payments would save an estimated $190 billion over ten years and would close nearly half of Social Security's long-term fiscal shortfall.

The $100,000 cap would "meaningfully slow the growth in Social Security's burgeoning generosity at the top, limiting benefits from growing too far past what is necessary to provide for 'a measure of protection' in old age," the CRFB argues.

Beyond the raw fiscal math, capping Social Security payments at $100,000 annually has a few other merits.

First, it's the sort of change that politicians could support even if they refuse to acknowledge Social Security's coming insolvency.

That's because the cap would affect relatively few participants—just 0.05 percent of all retirees this year, according to the CRFB's estimates—and doesn't cause significant harm to any of them. After all, those households will still be receiving an annual transfer payment of $100,000 from current workers. That's "more than five times the senior poverty threshold," as the CRFB points out.

Those households are also the most likely to be sitting on massive private retirement savings. The CRFB's estimates show that current retirees receiving more than $100,000 in annual Social Security benefits have an average net worth of more than $65 million and more than $2.5 million in retirement savings.

Simply put: there is no political constituency that can reasonably stand in the way of this reform. Anyone who thinks a government that's $39 trillion in debt should prioritize sending six-figure benefit checks to the wealthiest subset of retirees should not be taken seriously.

Second, this change would encourage people to think differently about what Social Security is supposed to do—and, as I said at the start, that will be necessary as the program approaches insolvency.

Across partisan lines, there is a powerful sense that Social Security benefits are just somehow different than other things the government spends money on. Largely, that's due to a successful marketing effort that convinced Americans—incorrectly, it should be noted—that they have some moral or legal right to Social Security.

There is no such thing, and Social Security spending is fundamentally no different than government spending on the military, welfare, or anything else. The American public is in for a rude awakening when Social Security hits insolvency, and benefits get automatically cut by 23 percent across the board—that will make it clear that Social Security's promise was always subject to change.

Capping benefits at $100,000 annually might make some people realize that Social Security does not exist outside of the rules that govern all government programs. All taxes and all spending come with trade-offs. We should be more willing to weigh those trade-offs, even when Social Security is part of the discussion.

On the other hand, there are a few downsides to this idea.

First, the $100,000 cap is insufficient to actually solve the insolvency problem. It might buy a bit more time, but ultimately, Social Security will require bigger benefit cuts or massive tax increases.

If implementing the cap is seen as a sufficient enough change on the benefits side, it might encourage politicians to fill the rest of the shortfall with tax increases. That would be a terrible outcome, as it would place an even larger burden on current workers to continue funding a fundamentally broken entitlement system.

Finally, the best way to address Social Security's problems is with a more comprehensive overhaul. That likely means benefit cuts for those getting less than $100,000 annually.

In 2022, the Congressional Budget Office calculated that Social Security's insolvency could be fixed by giving all seniors a flat monthly payment equal to 150 percent of the federal poverty line—about $1,700 per month, or $20,400 per year ($40,800 per household).

That's not an ideal solution, either, as it wouldn't save workers from continuing to pay payroll taxes. Still, it would be a huge improvement over the status quo and would ensure seniors are kept out of poverty. That's what Social Security was originally designed to do, after all.

If Social Security is to continue at all, it should be narrowly tailored to focus on that original goal. Eliminating benefits in excess of $100,000 would be a partial step in that direction.

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  1. Restoring the Dream   2 months ago

    Fascinating. Back in the early 80's, they doubled ss and Medicare deductions. I paid nearly 15 percent of gross income for pretty much my whole life. Now, it's "screw the old farts."

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      As far as I'm concerned it's just another piece of income tax that is stolen from me every year and from which I will see very few tangible benefits.

      1. docduracoat   2 months ago

        I can remember when President Bush suggested Social Security payments go into an SNP index fund.
        I’ve seen several analysis of what would had happened if that had been done at the time
        Everyone would be getting an increase in the program would not be going in solvent

    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      Pretty much. I’ve paid plenty, and I want my retirement $$$$. I would much rather have invested the money myself rather than with a bunch of RINOs and Marxist democrat thieves.

    3. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      Now, it's "screw the old farts."

      The screwing has already taken place. The resources do not exist to pay all promised benefits, unless they're paid in mini-dollars diminished by inflation. Affluent taxpayers are not going to get what's owed them. The question now, as Eric said, is how to achieve the original purpose of preventing poverty among the elderly. The best way to do that is to abolish Social Security, saying Fuck You to affluent contributors, and replace it with a means-tested welfare program for the poor elderly.

      1. CE   2 months ago

        Guess what? The benefits will be paid in borrowed and inflated dollars, because old people vote.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   2 months ago

          Young people vote too. And they want to expand the number of benefits that will be paid in borrowed and inflated dollars.

          1. Lester75   2 months ago

            Young people don’t vote enough. They will never get the baby boomer’s retirement and are cynical.

    4. Filippo3   2 months ago

      Eric is once again blaming the victims of the SS scam. I'm on SS and I won't get all my money back until about age 90 let alone any ROI. The scam he repeats is that SS is only for old age security, but that isn't all it is for. It was also supposed to a forced savings account, which has been conveniently forgotten by many.
      I'd be more than happy to take a buyout if one is offered. Just give me my money back plus 5% per annum compounded annually starting when I started working at age 15 in 1964.

      1. CE   2 months ago

        Usually when the authorities uncover a Ponzi scheme, they shut it down immediately and liquidate any assets in the fund, paying them out to the victims in proportion to how much they paid in. In this case, since there are zero assets, that would be much worse.

        Just let people opt out going forward so the scam stops eventually.

  2. Rick James   2 months ago

    So...is the libertarian argument here that people who put less into the system should get out more? A kind of "to each according to his needs" equation?

    1. Rick James   2 months ago

      Oh:

      *ctrl-f disab 0/0*

      That this article never touches on this is a criminal oversight.

    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      This is Reason. There are no ‘libertarian arguments’.

    3. windycityattorney   2 months ago

      I am not sure how you got that conclusion from the piece. A tiny subset of all SS beneficiaries get 100k+. Among that subset, most don't even need it since they have sufficient retirement funds (in the millions) because to get to that level of SS benefit your salary during the working years would have been high and those jobs have 401k, roth IRA's, etc...

      The person who worked low wage jobs would get the benefit they were always going to get.

      This latter group is going to be much more devastated by a future ~25%cut in their smaller retirement benefit if nothing is done compared to the 100k+group. And they will in fact be the elderly poor in poverty that SS was supposed to help in the first place.

      Its not an ideal situation all around- which is a given. We are choosing among the least bad options/remedies.

      1. CE   2 months ago

        They're not talking about 100K in SS benefits. They're talking about 100K in total income, which many retirees have.

        1. Joe   2 months ago

          "This year, households where both couples maxed out their Social Security contributions during their working years will be eligible to receive as much as $124,000."

          1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 months ago

            This figure is calculated on the basis of both retirees having maximum payouts of $5181 by waiting until 70 to start to collect. What percentage of those getting SocSec do you think that applies to?
            If they are collecting now, which this article applies, and are that financially savvy are they letting that $100K sit for 4-5 years to wait for the $24K extra they might get for the rest of retirement?

            From the SSA site: The following examples apply if you earned the taxable maximum in each year beginning at age 22 and start receiving benefits in 2026.

            Yeah, that's a BIG part of the population for sure.

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        People were responsible, punish them screams windy city leftist.

  3. Overt   2 months ago

    Wow, Eric Boehm discovered that if you can just force the wealthy to pick up your bill, you can get away with it. Is there any other example needed that Boehm and other Reason writers are living in a blue bubble?

    Look, Social Security is immoral and should be abolished. Any principled Libertarian should be able to easily argue against it. Unfortunately, the arguments that Boehm makes are NOT principled. In fact, they give away too many principles.

    First, Boehm is essentially arguing for welfare- the notion that the rich should be taxed at the same rate, but receive fewer benefits. Let's be clear: The reason even Democrats for years argued against stripping benefits from the rich was that they were making the moral argument that this is NOT welfare. Everyone pays in, and everyone receives the benefits.

    Boehm wants instead to fully adopt a welfare model. He picks on the rich (as socialists always do) and says, "Hey they can afford it. Take their money and don't give them anything in return." That's fine if you agree (I guess), but it isn't a Libertarian argument.

    Second, this is the type of policy that will hit progressively more people each year. This is of course the problem that Libertarians had with AMT and other taxes that capped out at a fixed number, not taking account of inflation. How many people will this hit in 2030 when the max retirement benefit would have been closer to $160,000?

    And what does this buy us? Nothing. Libertarians give up on the debate about welfare- firmly endorsing the notion that Social Security should follow welfare principles. And of course, as Boehm admits, it doesn't even fix the problem.

    This is what Reason has become. A magazine staffed with social liberals pretending to give lip service to fiscal sanity while giving away the farm on moral principles.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      You see why he is not too broken up over Mamdani.

    2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

      Thank you for taking the time to say all that. It boggles my mind. I had never thought that even Boehm would sink so far to the collectivist redistributionist side.

      The only thing I would add is that Boehm actually puts any credence in ...

      That's because the cap would affect relatively few participants—just 0.05 percent of all retirees this year, according to the CRFB's estimates—and doesn't cause significant harm to any of them.

      And the income tax only affected a few fat cats. And sales tax was too low to harm anybody.

      Disgusting how far this rag has sunk. I keep thinking it's got to bottom out some day, but I see no signs.

      1. jimc5499   2 months ago

        SGT Reason has hit bottom. Now they are starting to dig.

      2. Overt   2 months ago

        Right this was the point of AMT too- it only hit a tiny number of wealthy households when it was created. But because of the fixed cap, year over year over year more and more people hit that cap until it was hitting a substantial portion of the tax base.

        By the time the 10 years are over, this will be hitting significantly more than .05% of retirees. And what is so infuriating is that Boehm should know that, and doesn't even mention it even if it is to hand waive it away. It is such sloppy work, and it is unbecoming of Reason.

    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      Did you real,y expect anything different from Boehm? He is in no way a libertarian. He just cosplays at it as a political hipster. But always within accepted DNC guidelines.

    4. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      Yes, I was disgusted that Eric did SNOT mention a simple idea: If the rich get less out of SS, then their SS payments should be reduced proportionately while they are working!!! Escaping SS taxes gets harder and harder every year! What, in excess of $200 K per year, or some shit, ONLY then do we escape SOME of our SS taxes?!?!? And already, the "criminally rich" get their SS bennies taxed, for being too rich!!!

      https://reason.com/2026/03/18/the-federal-spending-spree-will-make-the-next-economic-shock-even-worse/?comments=true#comment-11417708
      The "solution" is to raid the cuntents of all of our 401 K accounts! Savings will then be accumulated, snot under the mattress (too much inflation), butt in food, building materials, booze, cocaine, and hooker-sex-slaves!
      (Taxing your Social Security only if ye have been TOO responsible and sober-minded, and have saved TOO MUCH in your 401 K, was already the first step in this exact direction. You SHOULD have spent all of your could-be-saved money on fancy vacations, mansions, booze, cocaine, and hooker-sex-slaves, and then you would SNOT be facing these extra taxes!)

  4. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    "policymakers and the American public will have to reconsider what the old-age pension program is meant to accomplish."

    Or will they? This assumes that the public and politicians are well-intentioned in the first place, a fact not already in evidence. The program is meant to accomplish the re-election of politicians who would be voted out of office by the retirement bloc of voters if anyone dares mess with their entitlements. See? It's really very simple, no consideration necessary!

    1. See.More   2 months ago

      . . . The program is meant to accomplish the re-election of politicians who would be voted out of office by the retirement bloc of voters if anyone dares mess with their entitlements. . .

      We absolutely need to disenfranchise anyone who receives any portion of their livelihood from government entitlement programs. It is a conflict of interest. They will never vote for candidates that threaten their entitlements and will always vote for candidates that promise to protect or expand their entitlements.

      1. CE   2 months ago

        Not any portion. Just reserve the right to vote to people who are net taxpayers. The people getting the money spent on them shouldn't get to vote on who gets it and how high taxes are.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   2 months ago

      "This assumes that the public and politicians are well-intentioned in the first place, a fact not already in evidence."

      Not in 250 years.

  5. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

    It is disgusting enough that Boehm thinks SSA should be treated as redistributionist welfare. It's just as appalling that all his proposed "solution" involve doubling down on government control.

    So I'm going to do Boehm's job for him. Eric Boehm, feel free to read a proposal which gets government 99% out of the Ponzi pension scam that SSA was intentionally designed as. It ain't perfect, it's possibly plausible for fiction only, but it's more libertarian than anything you've thought of.

    I've posted versions of this before. I am no financial expert, and I know this is politically impossible. My purpose is to understand a "realistic" plan to convert SSA Ponzi pensions to private nest eggs. I am not saying this is perfect or possible, only that it is the best I could come up with.

    This is an expansion of the simple idea to stop enrolling new workers in SSA but to keep withdrawing FICA payroll taxes to pay for existing retirees. All workers are on their own as far as saving for retirement. Retirees who die shrink the necessary FICA taxes; new retiree benefits are prorated by how long they paid FICA taxes, so that the very last ones get very little since they were taxed for just one year. There could also be a cutoff; anyone who has been taxed for less than ten years gets no retirement benefits.

    There are two problems with this scheme. First, workers are going to be mad as hell that they are paying FICA taxes and will get reduced or no retirement benefits, depending on how long they had been paying FICA taxes. Second, do-gooders and sob sisters will stoke public outrage every time someone retires without enough savings to live on, or blows all his savings in Las Vegas, or gets conned out of his life savings. My scheme seeks to prevent both by adding a new "nest egg" payroll tax, in addition to the FICA tax, which is owned by the worker and inheritable, but with strict withdrawal limits. Yes, my tax is a pay cut, but it's small and would be balanced by FICA shrinkage within 10 years.

    The gist is that investing 1/4 of the FICA tax in private DJIA/S&P 500 indexed funds provides enough nest egg that a 5% annual withdrawal matches SSA pensions, and since the average annual return over the last 10 years is 10% (DJIA) and 13% (S&P 500), that still leaves 3%/6% capital growth over the Fed's 2% inflation target (my figures were pre-Bidenflation), and a good cushion for bad years.

    * Keep the FICA tax on all workers to pay current full-strength and future pro-rated SSA pensions. It will decrease from its current 15.3% over time as current pensioners leave the system.

    * All new SSA pensioners get reduced benefits pro-rated by the cutover date. The difference is made up from their new nest egg accounts. All employees keep paying FICA and get some prorated reduction in their buyout costs.

    * Add a new 4% payroll tax which goes directly to individually owned DJIA/S&P 500 indexed accounts. Yes, all employees get a 4% pay cut, but as old pensioners die off, the FICA tax shrinks, and in about 10 years, the pay cut turns into an increasing pay raise. We all contributed to this mess, we all have to get out of it, and neither the Lone Ranger nor Harry Potter is coming to the rescue.

    * Raise the SSA minimum retirement age to 70 years. Average life expectancy is 80 years. This implies half of full-strength SSA pensioners will be dead in 10 years and cut their FICA support needs in half, and the new pro-rated FICA pensioners require less FICA support. This gross simplification is why I speculate the 4% pay cut will vanish and turn into pay raises starting in 10 years.

    * As time goes buy, SSA pensioners could bid for a lump sum nest egg buyout. Since it is spendable and inheritable, bids can be less than the strict 10%/13% necessary to maintain their current SSA pensions.

    * I *think*, as another wild ass guess, that the FICA tax would drop to 1-2% within 20-30 years, leaving only the 4% nest egg tax. That's a 10% raise for everybody. The FICA tax would only finally disappear when the last SSA pensioner dies in 50+ years, although at some point, it might be simpler to just top up the last few SSA pensioners' nest egg accounts and cut them loose.

    * The new nest egg tax invests $500 billion a year into the stock market. 50 years (working age 20-70) of that will stabilize at $25 trillion. Google says current mutual fund capitalization is $56 trillion. I do not think adding $500 billion, 1%, every year would destabilize the stock markets.

    * Whether the new 4% nest egg payroll tax remains mandatory is a political decision. I'd be perfectly happy to make my own decisions and risk ending up in a bunk bed charity, but do-gooders and sob sisters will latch on to every pensioner who blows it in Vegas or loses it to a con artist, and try to restore SSA. Insurance companies could play a part. Guardians who have to approve unusual withdrawals could play a part. Legally binding waivers could play a part. But those do-gooders and sob sisters will also play a part.

    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      That’s a lot to unpack, but it’s better than anything Boehm recommended.

    2. See.More   2 months ago

      It is disgusting enough that Boehm thinks SSA should be treated as redistributionist welfare. . .

      It is already redistributionist welfare.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

        It is not redistributionist, in the sense that what you get out is proportional to what you put in. It's inefficient and pays out far less than it could, but it's not progressive like income tax.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          As long as you ignore SSA disability claims.

        2. See.More   2 months ago

          It is not redistributionist . . .

          It taxes current workers to pay retirees. That is the definition of redistribution. What they were taxed during their working years (redistributed to retirees then) is irrelevant.

  6. Sequel   2 months ago

    Respectfully disagree. FDR's era involved a dislocated economy created by the Civil War and the industrial revolution, in which large families no longer lived closely together and, with great great interdependence, and in which the elderly were rapidly losing their ability to rely on their children for care and income.

    The spirit of the laws that created Social Security was to prevent economic freedom and the free market from creating a humanitarian disaster, while maintaining the personal freedom that had historically guaranteed a culture of opportunity. Today, when many ultra-rich people earn thousands of times the average income of the lowest earners, the spirit of that program should be to ensure that guaranteeing opportunity does not require denying opportunity by impoverishing some people.

    All Americans should pay a small portion of all their earnings to finance the welfare of those Americans most vulnerable to the inevitable dislocations that the free market will hopefully always be free to inadvertently trigger.

    1. See.More   2 months ago

      All Americans should pay a small portion of all their earnings to finance the welfare of those Americans most vulnerable. . .

      Fuck off slaver!

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        Fuck off slaver!

        Also, your pet cause is not special. Fuck you, cut spending.

    2. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

      Even if true, we need not continue to drown in a system that no longer addresses an existing problem. And even if it's true that there are a few people who will not be taken care of without some sort of public assistance, we could cut the federal and state assistance by 99% and still help those few. Right now we're pretending to "help" millionaires who are in excellent health - including some like me who are still working full time for a living - just because they "paid in"

      I would gladly give up my entitlement if they would end social security and medicare completely. But I will not donate it back unless and until they totally end social security and medicare.

    3. CE   2 months ago

      I think you get it backwards. Families stopped depending on each other once the government promised to do it.

      1. JFree   2 months ago

        Well I think families stopped depending on each other once we tilted savings and wealth almost entirely toward home price appreciation. Family support has, for thousands of years, been based on different generations sharing the same residence and maybe sharing chores and responsibilities and such. Home price appreciation - especially in single-family neighborhoods (which is 75%+ of residential land) - is based entirely on keeping nuclear families separated from their own slightly extended family.

    4. charliehall   2 months ago

      "prevent economic freedom and the free market from creating a humanitarian disaster"

      It already had created a disaster. The idea was to prevent another one.

  7. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

    Abolish Social Security and replace it with a means-tested welfare program for the elderly poor.

    1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

      Abolish Social Security OR replace it totally with a means-tested social security system. They cannot abolish it UNLESS they replace with means-tested benefits for obvious political reasons. My preference is for the idiots to ignore the problem until the American economy and the socialist agenda come crashing down, then kick all the socialists back into the gutters from whence they crawled and slithered and start over again.

  8. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    So make social security even more of a wealth transfer? Have those of us who are capped every year lose even more??

    How about fucking ending it or letting me opt out.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      So make social security even more of a wealth transfer?

      Make it a progressive wealth transfer, instead of a negative wealth transfer from the poorer to the richer as it is now.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        It is not a negative wealth transfer. Some of the higfest transfers are to those with low wages and limited number of years. It is already highly progressive despite the lies by Brookings and elsewhere.

        They rely on "the rich live longer " while ignoring many recipients only work a handful of years. Then there is the SSI disability portion of it.

        Stop falling for lies to justify the program.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

          to justify the program.

          I've said repeatedly here that the program should be eliminated.

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Social Security provides positive net transfers (benefits exceed taxes) to the bottom four income quintiles, while the top quintile hovers close to breaking even or occasionally receives small positive transfers.

        Bottom Quintiles: For the 1990–1999 birth cohort, survivors to age 65 in the bottom three quintiles can expect net transfers between $190,000 and $202,000 (in 2017 price-adjusted dollars), compared to $84,000–$108,000 for the 1940–1949 cohort.
        Fourth Quintile: Projected net transfers for this group grow from slightly over $50,000 for the 1940–1949 cohort to more than $160,000 for the 1990–1999 cohort.
        Top Quintile: The highest earners see transfers hover near zero, with the 1940–1949 cohort receiving up to $46,000 in some scenarios, but generally receiving significantly less than lower-income groups.
        Targeting Efficiency: Despite average progressivity, the system is not efficiently targeted; over 86% of the lowest quintile receive net transfers, but many low-income households still pay net taxes, while 12–16% of those in the upper three quintiles receive net transfers.

  9. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    Capping max amounts, means testing, reduced baseline amounts, raising the eligibility ages, eliminating survivor benefits... it's all going to happen. It's all on the table and anyone who wants to retire should just figure that Social Security is a non-factor for you.

    If anything you should be worried about them coming after your 401k you were diligent and responsible enough to build up for your retirement. They will come after that too.

    1. jimc5499   2 months ago

      Biden said when he was Vice President that he wanted to seize 401K's and give you an IOU from the Federal Government.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      https://www.carolinajournal.com/dems-target-private-retirement-accounts/

      https://rollcall.com/2020/08/24/biden-retirement-proposal-would-upend-traditional-401k-plans/

      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/democrats-put-401k-and-ira-restrictions-back-into-build-back-better.html

  10. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    So ... In other words a measure to 'Tax the Rich' MORE then?
    Maybe the whole Security for [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] should be ruled ILLEGAL.

  11. CE   2 months ago

    Sure. They forced people to join a Ponzi scheme under false pretenses, then knocked 2 years off the promised benefits. Why not just cancel it completely if people succeeded in life despite the FICA confiscation and high taxes?

    1. charliehall   2 months ago

      "then knocked 2 years off the promised benefits"

      That is a lie.

  12. BigFish92672   2 months ago

    Did the Think Tank paper detail how to get congrab on board with reform? The article omitted the most important detail

  13. WellRedMan   2 months ago

    No matter how you color it, it is both immoral and unethical to take one man's property by force and give it to another for their own personal needs.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      Yes, but we are going to continue to do so, so let's do it more rationally and effectively.

  14. JFree   2 months ago

    Beyond the raw fiscal math, capping Social Security payments at $100,000 annually has a few other merits.

    Capping max annual payments AND lifetime payments has a much bigger effect. The reality is everyone's working life (where they are paying FICA) is roughly the same number of years.

    For those born in 1930 (who turned 50 in 1980 - which is a rough proxy for when much of their lifetime FICA taxes were already paid and when their working age income quintile was pretty much set), the difference in life expectancy AT age 50 was 5.1 years higher for the highest income quintile than for the lowest.

    For those born in 1960 (who turned 60 in 2010), the difference in life expectancy between those two quintiles is now 12.7 years. Increases in life expectancy - and therefore years of both SS payments and Medicare coverage - are overwhelmingly among the high income.

    IOW - those who get the highest SS payments also get those payments for 7 and a half years longer now than they did even in 1980. That has an even bigger impact on Medicare (and Medicaid for that part of Medicaid that is about the elderly spending down assets for nursing home care).

    IOWOW- Even as a purely insurance/actuarial measure rather than a welfare/safety net measure -- there is an increasingly large disparity in the number of years of SS payments v years of FICA payments - tilted toward the high income.

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

      “For those born in 1960 (who turned 60 in 2010)….

      Lol. Idiot.

  15. S Brosseau   2 months ago

    The author seems to assume that every household receiving Social Security benefits comprises two Social-Security recipients. New flash, Boehm, the older one gets the less likely they are living with their partner -- for obvious reasons. And some people have always lived alone. Such retirees should definitely get every dime they were promised and earned. In many U.S. cities a $50,000 cap would be barely cover rent and utilities.
    Let's say two-benefit receiving households were capped at $100,000. That just opens up all sorts of opportunities for fraud, abuse, and unintended consequences.
    Sorry, this idea is just dumb.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      Sorry, Your idea is dumb because it addresses one's DEMANDS only.
      Maybe in a stable economy Supply-Side is required to meet demands.

  16. car-keynes   2 months ago

    Holding Social Security payments at poverty level would be all right in my opinion. I mean, who really needs more who hasn't had a chance to invest relatively safely in the real world?

  17. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 months ago

    How do folks accrue that much SS?

    I'm recently retired with a 2% net worth, having been over the FICA tax max salary for at least the last 20 yrs of my working life, and I only get about 38k per year.

    1. TD   2 months ago

      You probably started collecting social security before age 70.

    2. caliman   2 months ago

      Yes, you must have retired fairly early. That additional 32% (now only 24%) between full retirement age and 70, is a big number. You're way ahead in cumulative benefits received so far, most likely.

      For me, once I realized that cumulative benefits converge at around age 80, no matter when you retire, I decided waiting until 70 was not likely to matter that much in the long haul, and carried some risk the .gov would change the plan. I applied at 69 and backdated the application the full 9 months.

      1. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 months ago

        I started collecting at 67, so that's it.

  18. Piru   2 months ago

    Reform it so the abuses and excess is gone.
    No more spousal benefit - make it a survivor benefit that pays after the contributor is dead.

    Only eligible spouse is the one who was married to the contributor for at least 10 years before retirement AND is married to the contributor on the date of retirement.

    If a person is eligible based on their personal work history, then they are ineligible for a survivor benefit based on the contributors (greater) payout,.

    Create an option where the employer and employer still contribute, but the employee can opt into a 401K with those funds, instead of the government run pyramid scheme. Kicker is, once opted in, cannot change election.

    Fund but phase out government run pyramid scheme over time to keep existing retirees solvent until they are gone. At some point, make the 401K route mandatory.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      "Reform it so the abuses and excess is gone."
      Already done. It's called the 'Prison System'.
      The only way to eliminate grift is to have a consequence that goes with it.
      Else EVERYONE and their pet-dog will be making excuses to STEAL.

      That's is why they call serving time paying a 'debt' to society.
      Will have to stop pretending unpaid bills isn't a crime as well.
      The legal system is literally on it's head these days with criminals running the system.

  19. TD   2 months ago

    People can generally start collecting social security at age 62. If wait until age 70 the monthly payment increases each year. The maximum benefit per person retiring at;

    Age 62 $2,969/Mo $35,628/Yr
    Age 66 $4,152/Mo $49,824/Yr
    Age 70 $5,181/Mo $62,172/Yr

    To get this much someone had to have earned at the maximum earnings threshold per year for pretty much their entire career. For a couple to be getting over $124,000 per year they would both have have been very high earners for decades and to have waited until age 70 to start their social security, and when one spouse dies that other can collected the larger benefit but not both, so the $124K won't last forever.

    As this proposal is now being bandied about with some seriousness, someone who could potentially get the maximum by waiting until age 70 might consider taking it earlier to stay under that threshold, though the government may well anticipate that and reduce all maximum benefits. But that action will take a while.

    There were about five workers paying into Social Security in the late 1960s, about when the oldest boomers were beginning their working careers (those that didn't tune out and drop out). Today there are fewer than three working people paying in for every one taking out, so the this system is on very shaking legs.

    A system of private accounts is ultimately the way to go, but the transition would have its difficulties.

    1. charliehall   2 months ago

      "A system of private accounts is ultimately the way to go"

      The fees by the investment managers eat up too much of the earnings for that to work. Chile tried that and now a generation is retiring into poverty.

      1. TD   2 months ago

        My 401k and IRAs have generated higher returns that what I get out of SS.

  20. charliehall   2 months ago

    Basically, a 20% tax on retirees who had high incomes while working.

    Oh BTW that maximum is $62k per individual. Not enough to live on comfortably in many US cities.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      "Not enough to live on comfortably" = STEAL from those 'icky' people till I'm comfortable?

      Here's a thought every leftard plays cognitive dissonance about.

      How about you *EARN* the living you desire instead of Demand it at Gov-Gun point like an armed-criminal would?

  21. JoeBloggs   2 months ago

    Being a stickler for grammar isn't popular, but the title shiuld be "What if Social Security were capped at $100,000." I expect that Reason writers and editors could pass high school English. Perhaps I expect too much.

  22. Panhandle   2 months ago

    1) Get rid of the salary cap on payment of SS taxes, for example, like Medicare does.
    2) Cap the benefit to some amount. I am positive it could be less than 50K per person.
    3) Start the conversion of Social Security to 401K type accounts for those born after a certain date so this stupidity has an end date in 50 years or so and everyone has their own retirement account.

  23. freedomwriter   2 months ago

    Easy fixes. Remove cap on payments. Tax all income.
    Cap benefits at 5 million net worth.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      Or even easier.
      If people want something *earning-it* is part of the equation.

      The only 'complexity' at play here is the 'Gun' THEFT and determining who the slaves will be and who the slavers will be. Precisely why the left spends all their time making [WE] Identify-as gangs so they can identify who the slaves will be and who the slavers will be.

      Maybe the whole point of having a USA was a nation that simply defended Individual Liberty & ensured Justice for all mankind.

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