Trump Says States Are Required To Enforce Federal Immigration Laws. He's Wrong.
"The Framers...designed a system in which the State and Federal Governments would exercise concurrent authority over the people," wrote Justice Antonin Scalia.
Federal immigration enforcement officers have flooded into Minneapolis, bringing mass chaos and the deaths of two bystanders. At issue is Minneapolis' status as a "sanctuary city," which means officials broadly will not cooperate with federal efforts to find, detain, or deport undocumented immigrants.
"Surprisingly, Mayor Jacob Frey just stated that, 'Minneapolis does not, and will not, enforce Federal Immigration Laws,'" President Donald Trump posted Wednesday morning on Truth Social. "Could somebody in his inner sanctum please explain that this statement is a very serious violation of the Law, and that he is PLAYING WITH FIRE!"
Though he added his own signature capitalization, Trump did accurately characterize Frey's position. "Minneapolis does not and will not enforce federal immigration laws," the mayor wrote on X. "We will remain focused on keeping our neighbors and streets safe." In response to Trump's threat, Frey added in a later post, "The job of our police is to keep people safe, not enforce fed immigration laws."
Obviously, Trump's threat that Frey is "playing with fire" is completely inappropriate—as are his administration's apparent attempts to criminally prosecute Frey and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz. But Trump is also wrong on the law: Cities and states are not, in fact, obligated to participate in federal law enforcement operations, and there's good reason for that.
"Judicial decisions across the Trump and Biden administrations have consistently affirmed that immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility—but one that cannot be delegated by force," Bertina Kudrin, Megan Thomas, and Niharika Vattikonda wrote last year in Lawfare. "At the core of this issue is the anti-commandeering doctrine, a principle established by the Supreme Court that prohibits the federal government from compelling states to administer federal programs."
Two U.S. Supreme Court decisions, New York v. United States (1992) and Printz v. United States (1997), similarly established that states generally cannot be forced to carry out federal laws or regulations.
Many on Trump's side likely feel Frey and Walz should be forced to comply with all federal immigration officers' demands. It's always worth imagining a government's power in the hands of one's opponent.
Consider the Printz decision, wherein the Supreme Court struck down provisions of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act requiring states to conduct background checks on anybody trying to purchase a handgun.
Many gun rights groups that historically supported Trump have criticized him in recent days, after he and members of his administration justified the killing of Alex Pretti by immigration officers simply because Pretti had a legally registered handgun in his possession.
One can imagine those same groups wouldn't like it if the federal government imposed mandatory background checks across the country, but under Trump's view of federal law, it would have that right.
"The Framers rejected the concept of a central government that would act upon and through the States, and instead designed a system in which the State and Federal Governments would exercise concurrent authority over the people," Justice Antonin Scalia wrote for the majority in the Printz decision. He quoted from Justice Anthony Kennedy in an earlier case, saying that under the American system as the Founders designed it, "our citizens would have two political capacities, one state and one federal, each protected from incursion by the other."
Walz and Frey have refused to cooperate with federal immigration officials operating in their respective jurisdictions. One can disagree with the decision, but the fact remains, they have the legal right to make it.
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And this is why you have ICE in Minneapolis because the state is refusing to cooperate to enforce federal law. This why calling for the abolition of ICE is a call for backdoor open borders because the feds are the only ones empowered to enforce the law. If there is no one to enforce the law then it is moot. That is not acceptable if we are going to have orderly immigration and not selective enforcement.
This is a disingenuous scenario which has been set up by the pro open borders side. Walz and Frey may the legal authority to do what they are doing, but that does not make it good policy.
This why calling for the abolition of ICE is a call for backdoor open borders
No, a call to abolish ICE is a recognition that the agency has gone way too far and has become a de facto internal security police force.
There is a way to have orderly immigration without ICE's authoritarian tactics. But it first starts by recognizing that there is no way to deport 10 million people without tyranny.
How?
Step one is, you stop going after the gardeners and maids who are living peaceful, productive lives. I don't care if they committed the *misdemeanor* of "illegal entry" 10-20 years ago. Their contributions to the economy and to society since then far exceed any minor penalty from the *misdemeanor* crime. We don't condemn people over minor crimes, like traffic tickets and jaywalking, for the rest of their lives if they are otherwise leading peaceful lives. Why should "illegal entry" be any different?
Do that, and everything else becomes a lot easier.
Except thstbis not what is happening. It is objecting to deporting criminals and welfare dependents as well. It is toxic empathy And frankly, selective enforcement of law is inherently unequal treatment under law.
It is an objection to ICE's behavior and tactics. The same people protesting ICE are not protesting the state authorities arresting criminals. Why? Because they aren't pro-criminal, they are anti-ICE.
"Step one is, you stop going after the gardeners and maids who are living peaceful, productive lives. I don't care if they committed the *misdemeanor* of "illegal entry" 10-20 years ago. Their contributions to the economy and to society since then far exceed any minor penalty from the *misdemeanor* crime. We don't condemn people over minor crimes, like traffic tickets and jaywalking, for the rest of their lives if they are otherwise leading peaceful lives. Why should "illegal entry" be any different?"
Large swaths are on welfare. The contributions are negative.
You citing the "welfare" argument is beyond amusing. You think they should all be murdered! This is the clearest example yet of a motte-and-bailey fallacy.
a call to abolish ICE isn't a call for backdoor open borders, it's merely a call to never deport any illegal aliens ever again
Do you even bother to read what you write?
oops, didn't mean to put this here.
moved
Seems to me, the ICE raids are the "COVID lockdown" moment for the ICE Watch protesters.
For a lot of people here, the COVID lockdowns were a radicalizing moment where they decided that the government's authoritarian actions were so over-the-top tyrannical, that there was no reforming it. Only tearing it down was the acceptable solution.
It is similar for the "ICE Watch" protesters and ICE. They see the over-the-top authoritarian tactics and it's radicalized them to the extent that they no longer think reform is possible, the only acceptable solution is to tear it down and abolish ICE.
Just like with the radicalization over COVID lockdowns, it doesn't mean that those opposed to the lockdowns were pro-virus or anti-health. It just meant that the current system, even if "reformed", was completely unacceptable. It is the same here. Wanting to abolish ICE doesn't necessarily mean one is pro-criminal or anti-law-enforcement. It just means that they believe ICE is a hopelessly flawed tool for the task.
The ICE Watch protesters are some of the most ncredibly racist, hate filled, judgemental group of useful idiots I can ever remember seeing in this country. Hounding people they think are associated with someone in immigration enforcement from going about their business. I am absolutely appalled and disgusted by their behavior and tactics.
I know, it's almost as disgusting as murdering citizens in the street!
The leaders of "ICE Watch" talked Good and Pretti into doing stupid things to harass armed LEOS. Their blood is on the leadership of the protests, and the media outlets gleefully using their deaths for propaganda purposes.
It wasn't ICE Watch which told ICE agents to act like unprofessional thugs with guns.
There is a large portion of the country that is opposed to ICE's tactics and who protest against it. This isn't a secret. Neither ICE nor the government has any right to demand that everyone in the country fall in line and obey. Instead it is their job to deal with those who disagree with them in a professional manner. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be in that job.
I have seen the behavior of the protesters, they have been dealt with in a professional manner despite how hateful and stupid they are, but it only takes a dumb decision by a protester or an agent for it to go pear shaped, and the protesters are incredibly idiotic.
they have been dealt with in a professional manner
Does that include the guy who was sprayed in the face with pepper spray even AFTER he was subdued?
Does that include the guy who was dragged out of his house in his underwear because ICE went to the wrong address? Oh he was a citizen too.
Does that include the NATIVE AMERICANS who were detained by ICE? (If there is one group of people who should be completely immune from ICE, it's Native Americans.)
Does that include the guy who lost an eye because a 'non-lethal' pepper ball was fired directly into his face?
Does that include the guys who were detained at a Target, beaten, and then dropped off at a Walmart about a mile away, without explanation? Oh, they were US citizens too.
Does that include the 5-year-old kid who was used as bait by ICE agents in order to get the family to turn themselves in?
Does that include the residents of an apartment building in Chicago who were all detained in a pre-dawn, military-style airborne operation, and dragged outside some in their underwear, including kids, because ICE claimed they were looking for only 5 people?
Even in the case of Alex Pretti, what triggered the violent conflict was the officer in the beige cap who walked to the other side of the street and shoved the protesters for no apparent reason. That is what directly led to Pretti's murder.
The agency itself admits that the new recruits are sometimes 'sketchy' and that they have had a shortened training regimen.
They are acting like poorly trained thugs with guns. It is entirely possible to support reasonable immigration enforcement while objecting to the heavy-handed tactics.
The ICE Watch folks also fervently SUPPORTED the COVID lockdowns.
When MN police were shooting paintballs at people for the crime of being outside, you did not see mass mobs trying to stop them and get in the way.
I agree a lot with this post. But the thing that made them different for me as a Chicagoan was that the tyranny of COVID was much more locally induced and enforced. I still hated the restrictions, but a lot of my neighbors didn't, and we had to do our best to get along with each other.
The ICE invasion is different. Everyone is terrified, everyone is upset. It feels like a foreign war force. No one here wants it, and it's so damn infuriating to watch an angry minority of the country take so much joy in sending federal goons to places they don't live in, or visit, or get helped by or harmed by in any way. We just want to be left the fuck alone.
Covid felt like an own-goal. This feels like like a hostile invasion. I feel so bad for Minneapolis right now. They got it even worse.
You want to be left alone do your state and local governments can abet billions of dollars in welfare fraud in peace?
Was he not clear about being from Chicago?
Funny how they only get upset when Republicans are in office.
Cut off ALL federal funding to all sanctuary states and remove illegals from apportionment for Congressional seats and Chicago will open fire on illegals ASAP.
Why do you keep bragging about being in the liberal shit hole of chicago? It doesnt help your arguments other than proving you come from a retarded leftist bubble.
The problem is that we have forgotten that part of the Constitution that requires We the people to strongly sign a loyalty oath to the President. The Founders put that in there so that Americans could agree on pronouns and brown people. On a strong unitary executive who could grab our pussy and prepare us for the rapture. It is the most important of the checks and balances.
Reason thinks states can impede and disrupt federal law and defends rioters on the left.
Well if it cannot defend them, it ignores them.
OK, so the abortion and gay marriage debate is finally settled then, right?
Turns out, the unspoken part of "The South Shall Rise Again!" was "in Minneapolis." With all the racist Republicans "abandoning the 2A", I was worried that people had completely forgotten States rights.
I'd ask if you Progressives wouldn't mind turning the lights off when you're done purging Clinton Era Democrats, but I have a feeling the lights will go out first.
Biden, Obama, and Bush ... all had access to ICE, I think all three deported more than Trump, and all three did it without excusing citizen murder and without granting super secret orders to violate the 4th Amendment. That's three administrations across both sides of the aisle; when are we going to admit the problem is Trump?
IMO the problem really isn't Trump. He is just the opportunistic demagogue in the right place at the right time to take advantage of the situation.
The problem is the very loud MAGA contingent which demands this inflexible unyielding approach to immigration. This contingent - not every Trump voter, but a substantial fraction of Trump voters - is, at its core, xenophobic and more than a little bit bigoted. Their opposition to immigration was never really about the legal status of the migrants. It was always about the culture and identity of the migrants. They want to be able to look at their neighbor and see a reflection of themselves, not someone who looks very different. Trump panders to them because they adore him and give him the most praise, and Trump's handlers and cronies go along with it because they cynically see how they can use the bigotry and xenophobia to gain power for themselves. that is the real problem.
No, the problem was the complete dereliction of the Biden administration's duty to enforce the border, allowing millions of undocumented people into the country and funneling them into Democrat-run cities and counties claiming sanctuary status.
Clinton ,Bush and Obama were able to fo that eothout the Democrat Party's private Redshirt army of wine aunts harassing ICE's operations.
I see that the Left has added another rule to Rules for Radicals:
14. When convenient, co-opt the enemies positions, in specific: States Rights and the Second Amendment.
Some of us choose to support state powers (only people have rights) and the 2nd amendment all the time, regardless of which fuck sticks in power are going after them. And the best of us even appreciate the help whenever either side of team-playing zombies wants to chip in.
Immigration isnt a state power retard. Neither is subverting agreed to federal laws retard.
See how your precious Obama forced states like arizona to accept fraudulent federal voting forms and stopped them from expelling illegals. Im sure youll pretend you were against those things.
Except you're not here except to defend the Antifa thugs and the seditious State officials.
Also, see:
Socialism and Central Planning
quoting Anthony Kennedy: "our citizens would have two political capacities, one state and one federal, each protected from incursion by the other."
What are some examples of states protecting citizens from federal incursion (since 1865)?
So far just sanctuary states and fraud audits of federal dollars.