Alex Pretti's Death Widens a Split Between Trump and Gun Rights Groups
Federal officials suggested that carrying a firearm is inherently threatening and an invitation to police violence.
After U.S. Border Patrol agents fatally shot Minneapolis protester Alex Pretti on Saturday, federal officials described him as a "domestic terrorist" and "would-be assassin" who "wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement." But the only evidence to support those characterizations was the fact that Pretti was carrying a concealed handgun, which he was legally allowed to do.
Although videos of the incident show Pretti never drew that weapon, let alone threatened the agents with it, several officials portrayed his exercise of the constitutional right to bear arms as inherently suspicious. That position provoked criticism from leading gun rights groups—the latest example of disagreements between Second Amendment advocates and an administration that claims to support their cause.
Pretti "approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun," the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said on Saturday, neglecting to mention that the agents did not see the holstered gun until after they tackled Pretti. "The officers attempted to disarm [him] but the armed suspect violently resisted," DHS added, omitting the fact that an agent had removed the gun by the time the shooting started.
FBI Director Kash Patel erroneously claimed Pretti's possession of a handgun was illegal. "You cannot bring a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines, to any sort of protest that you want," Patel said. "It's that simple. You don't have a right to break the law."
Bill Essayli, the first assistant U.S. attorney for the Central District of California, went even further. "If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you," he averred. "Don't do it!"
That was too much for Gun Owners of America (GOA), which condemned Essayli's "untoward comments," noting that "the Second Amendment protects Americans' right to bear arms while protesting—a right the federal government must not infringe upon." The National Rifle Association (NRA) also was perturbed, calling the prosecutor's statement "dangerous and wrong."
President Donald Trump did not explicitly say that Pretti invited his own death by carrying a gun, but he did portray that conduct as troubling. "I don't like any shooting," he told The Wall Street Journal. "But I don't like it when somebody goes into a protest and he's got a very powerful, fully loaded gun with two magazines."
According to Pretti's ex-wife, the Journal notes, he "had carried a gun for several years," exercising a right recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court, the state of Minnesota, and local licensing authorities, which had issued him a carry permit. In this context, there was nothing necessarily nefarious about his decision to carry a gun the day he was killed.
As the GOA's comments reflect, conservatives traditionally have prized the more specific right to carry guns at political protests, such as demonstrations against the restrictions imposed during the COVID-19 pandemic. Left-leaning gun control advocates, meanwhile, have condemned that practice and supported bans on it.
Given this history, it is not surprising that gun rights groups usually allied with Trump rebelled at the notion that carrying a firearm is threatening, illegal, or an invitation to police violence. Nor is it surprising that they were alarmed when Justice Department officials considered a ban on gun possession by transgender people.
While that half-baked proposal seems to have gone nowhere, the Trump administration is actively defending the federal ban on gun possession by people convicted of nonviolent felonies. The NRA and other Second Amendment groups, by contrast, say that policy is blatantly unconstitutional.
The Trump administration is also defending a federal law that treats cannabis consumers as felons if they own guns, even if they live in states that have legalized marijuana. The NRA has called that policy "unjust."
Trump is avowedly committed to "protecting Second Amendment rights," and his Justice Department recently launched a litigation project for that purpose. But as the government's defense of the Pretti shooting confirms, those promises are less reliable than they seem.
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No it didn't.
Every gun rights person called Kas Patel a retard for what he said.
And the fag who quit his job to full time harass and assault ice agents doing their legally mandated jobs got shot because the bolshiviks convinced him to be a mayrter, not a single person cares about him, not you not msm, and not any of his non friends
Here's the difference, when a Maga person fucks up (see the hate speech line, the Kash Patel, the bond epstien line) we call them out. When a leftists does something stupid... Like calling for people to assault federal agents (waltz and Frey) they get applauds
He quit his job?
No.
He was employed in the same job for 5 years at the time of his death. Verify for yourself.
Also consider how bad this killing looks when the lies are stripped away and all that's left is that these agents beat and killed a man for trying to help a woman they were assaulting.
So you still havent provided the verification you demand of others?
Then you launch into the dem narratoce of the invent. Peaceful protestor just trying to assist others?
When he was part of ice watch, an organized insurrectionist group, and he was involved in prior obstruction as well?
Mike. Go armed and fight with cops. I beg you.
I did.
https://reason.com/2026/01/27/tom-homan-isnt-the-solution/?comments=true#comment-11366211
No, asswipe, a link to a thread is NOT verification. So, you're pulling this out of your ass?
Why is that not surprising?
Do your own homework. That's just some links to get you started.
Fuck off and die, lying pile TDS-addled shit.
“ When he was part of ice watch, an organized insurrectionist group”
An organized insurrectionist group? Jesus, you just get more and more ridiculous as the days go by.
“ he was involved in prior obstruction as well?”
Obstruction being defined as protesting, I’m assuming? Or warning people that the thugs are coming?
Saw a video of, very likely, cording to the BBC, Pretti, the week before, kicking out the tail light of an SUV driven by ICE. The perp was wrestled down, onto the ground, then ultimately released. Supposedly, his holstered gun was visible in the video.
He was apparently involved with a Signal group, using the screen name of “Alvin Pretti” and twitter handle of @alvinqpretti”. The last post on Signal involving him announced the location where he died.
ICE Watch MN was more a thing with Renee Good et ux. When the FBI acquired a search warrant and searched their house, they found videos from ICE Watch MN detailing how to disrupt ICE operations by pretending to get stuck in front of an ongoing ICE operations, then cooperating motorists would supposedly get stuck behind the lead car. This was exactly what Good et ux had been doing that morning. This was apparently Good’s chance to lead the convoy of soon to be stuck vehicles. Before, earlier that day, they had repeatedly been followers, further back in the convoy. They were recognized by the ICE Officers, who knew the stratagem. And Good, et ux, knew that, as evidenced by Good’s statements to the officers, as she drove off, in her supposedly stuck SUV. It was all a big game with her - pretend getting stuck, just as the video instructed, then let ICE move the perps out. Until it wasn’t, and she died. Also note that Good et ux were getting ICE operation location updates in real time from ICE Watch MN.
Sure, if you spin it like that. How about the stupidity of the woman expecting no beatdown for interfering with cops, Pretti expecting no response for helping her interfere with the cops or expecting no response for assaulting a cop, and all this while being armed?
From Reason's own quote in a different article of what the New York Times reported:
Pretti had the Constitutional right to be stupid and fight police while armed. But one of the phrases common in driver training is to not insist on entering an intersection when you have the legal right of way; better to temporarily forgo that right than be dead right. Same as walking down a dark alley in Shantytown while counting your $100 bills; you have that right, the mugger has no right to rob you, but stupid doesn't always win.
How about the stupidity of the woman expecting no beat down for interfering with cops
How did she interfere with cops? In this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkLd-6i8u70 at about 275 seconds, what did she do that warranted a federal agent shove her to the ground and pepper spray her? To me it looks like Pretti stepped in to defend a woman being assaulted..not arrested...assaulted.
Pretti had the Constitutional right to be stupid and fight police while armed.
And this is dangerous because police do not respect our 2A rights. Your outrage is misplaced on the guy exercising his right instead of the government agents that killed him because he was exercising his right.
And why be outraged at the woman brave enough to risk what has become a normal beat down for filming these agents and not the agents beating people for exercising another often infringed right?
Good et ux were operating according to direction on a ICE Watch MN video that instructed those involved to essentially drive in a caravan, until they arrived at the site of an ICE operation. The lead vehicle in the line would get stuck, or at least pretend to be. And the rest of the convoy would get “stuck” behind the first one. This would essentially prevent ICE from removing the illegal alien that they had just arrested, until the “stuck” convoy could be cleared out.
That was the interference. It superficially looked inadvertent. But with the video, it was obvious, after the fact, that it wasn’t. But ICE agents knew better, since they saw the same vehicles getting stuck in front of their operations, time after time. This was apparently Good’s chance to be the lead vehicle, in the line of pretend “stuck” vehicles. This was corroborated by Good putting her vehicle in gear and driving off, instead of complying with ICE orders to get out of her SUV. She wouldn’t have been able to do that if she had truly been stuck. The order they had presumably given, to exit her vehicle, after having seen this stratagem being used against them, yet again.
Is this not all the equivalent of "she should have expected to be raped dressed like that?"
Doesn't all that spinning make you dizzy, shitstain?
Yes it is, exactly the same as insisting on taking your legal right of way at an intersection regardless of other traffic, or walking through Shantytown in the dead of night counting your $100 bills.
There's right, and there's dead right. Fighting a cop while armed is exercising your dead right.
ETA And note that even the New York Times admits he assaulted the cop, although they had to euphemisize it as "briefly putting his hand on the agent's waist".
Yes in those cases, I'm at risk. I'd be wise to be cautious. But if I went through an intersection and was hit by a negligent driver, you'd blame me? What if it was a drunk driver, or worse, an intentionally malicious driver ramming people on purpose. You'd blame me? I was dumb. The other driver committed the crime.
If I'm mugged for counting my money in public, you blame me? Sure that makes me stupid, but the mugger is still the criminal.
Do we blame the people killed by the illegal immigrant truck drivers? Hey, they knew the risks.
At the protest, it's no accident to be killed by federal agents that answer to us (in theory). Here it is appropriate to be pissed at them. They broke the law. Their behavior makes our constitutional right moot in that situation.
Pretti did something stupid. The agents did something negligent at best, that resulted in the death of an American exercising conservatives' favorite constitutional right. This is more important than the side of the culture war he is on for the principled conservative/libertarian.
I'd blame you for being stupid in insisting on being dead right. Can you not tell the difference?
Everyone blames Trump and ICE. No one blames Governor Walz for calling out the National Guard to protect protesters. No one blames Mayor Frey for telling his cops to fight ICE cops.
It's 2020's mostly peaceful riots all over again. It's stupid. Knee jerk reflexive blaming Trump and nobody else is stupid, stupid, stupid. If you can't tell how biased and partisan and stupid that Trump-only blame is, you're just as stupid.
I'd blame you for being stupid in insisting on being dead right. Can you not tell the difference?
No I see what you're saying. You primarily blame the dead guy for the agents killing him because he did something stupid by trusting his life with federal police. I blame the agents for killing him because they killed him. And I'm particularly pissed because they killed him partly because he was exercising his 2A right.
And you're right about Walz and Frey. They contributed to this with their stupid response, as did Trump for sending poorly trained agents that seem to have been encouraged to behave badly by leadership going all the way to the top.
No, you missed my point. I blame the dead guy for being stupid. He could have avoided the stupid games etc by not being stupid. The cops were reacting as all cops are trained to do; if you want to blame their training, go ahead. But Pretti chose to interfere, against all common sense; he chose to fight a cop, against all common sense; and he chose to do so while armed, which has got to be one of the most obvious stupidities of all.
There have been stupid people walking down railroad track with headphones on; they die from being stupid. There have been lots of people doing lots of stupid things who end up dead. They didn't deserve to die, but it was their stupidity which killed them. Not the cops, not the train, not reality. Their stupidity.
No, you missed my point.
OK. I appreciate you working with me here to get it.
As I read this last comment, I don't see any place I disagree with you.
The cops were reacting as all cops are trained to do; if you want to blame their training, go ahead.
Yes! This is where I am. I blame the the training and what the state (also juries) allow them to do as well as the thuggish military like mindset that domestic enforcement has taken on. These 7 guys do not seem like the best of the best, but they also aren't entirely atypical of domestic enforcement.
I should be able to carry my guns anywhere and until I point it at another person, I should be treated exactly as an unarmed person by police. BUT, I don't do that for exactly the reasons you mention here. It would be stupid.
I blame the state for making it stupid and I defend stupid if they are exercising their right that the state has (intentionally?) made stupid even if I'm not entirely sympathetic to the reason they are doing that stupid thing.
"But if I went through an intersection and was hit by a negligent driver, you'd blame me? What if it was a drunk driver, or worse, an intentionally malicious driver ramming people on purpose. You'd blame me? I was dumb. The other driver committed the crime."
Wow! Where'd you get all that straw?
I borrowed the straw from between your ears.
Oh, is that clever?
Fuck off and die, lying pile of shit.
"Verify for yourself."
No, asswipe, you made the claim, YOU verify it. Or please, fuck off and die.
you made the claim
No I didn't
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No it didn't.
Every gun rights person called Kas Patel a retard for what he said.
And the fag who quit his job to full time harass and assault ice agents doing their legally mandated jobs
"No I didn't"
Gee, fuckwit, what is this?
"He was employed in the same job for 5 years at the time of his death. Verify for yourself."
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
They were assaulting a woman who assaulted them and he tried to stop them from arresting her.
How did the woman assault them? There's no assault on video that I've seen.
Maybe you haven't seen all of the videos or you are just interested in watching the ones that fit your agenda.
That's incorrect. I've watched all available videos multiple times.
But instead of this type of condescension, why don't you just post a link to a video that shows what you think I'm missing.
The video that is edited to cut out anything that happens more than a few seconds before Pretti is shot?
Post a link to the video that shows the woman assault an agent.
Give us the time stamp of the assault.
Pretty bad. But General Turgidson assured everyone that "the truth is not always a pretty thing."
So will you call out Trump, Miller, and Noem? Do you too not like it when people bring guns out on the street (it was not a protest)? And no, Walz and Frey did not call for attacks. They called for resistence to a tyrannical takeover of their state.
It was a riot, fuckwit.
No. It wasn’t spontaneous. Like AntiFA “riots”, the interference with ICE operations was planned and coordinated.
No, they were fighting for the lawful removal of illegals. ICE follows the law, while democrats break it with their violent insurrection.
No it doesn’t, and your broken record wishcasting is getting fucking boring.
I know you’re probably iced in, but maybe try to get out some Jacob.
Pick up on the looter trying a hypnosis trick on Jake!
I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone -every two weeks - and I wouldn't lose any voters
Just needs to move the limits to - every day -. Then to - every minute. His cult followers here are already there.
The leftists here are spiraling. Lol.
As I've asked the other retards, please go arm yourself and fight with cops. Why won't any of you do this? You seem so sure of your morality and convictions.
That too they will denounce as Hate Speech precisely because they hate when awkward facts obtrude on public notice.
Here is a link to a Poe chat I had on this issue.
https://poe.com/s/IsLtQxTkNXb2r0sQB09k
OMG! I know. It is so upsetting I'm going to have to vote for [D]emon-crap who will destroy every inkling of the 2A! /s
The point obviously isn't to offer a better solution. The point obviously is to attack everything Trump does and/or doesn't do often within the very same subject.
One of the points of _Reason_ is to oppose anti-liberty behavior no matter the faction of the perpetrator. Sadly, both duopoly parties are full of such perpetrators. Pres. Trump currently is the most prominent.
"...Pres. Trump currently is the most prominent..."
To TDS-addled shits, TDS-addled shit.
There's two variants of TDS:
TDS-TAH - TDS-Trump's An Asshole,
and TDS-NUTAH - TDS-Nose Up Trump's Asshole.
Sevo, you're an embarassment with your nose up Trump's asshole.
Sure, sure. Go on and tell us-all how Democrats don't having any 'gun control' bills in State legislature and how Trumps suggesting that packing a 'gun' to an 'in-your-face' obstruction of law enforcement just isn't a good idea to practice and that somehow that common-sense suggestion makes Trump the 'most prominent' gun-control freak on the planet.
As I wrote, Pres. Trump currently is the most prominent anti-liberty advocate in the DemoPublican duopoly. Here is a tiny selection from many anti-liberty statements, if one assumes that adhering to the Constitution is pro-liberty:
Trump on terminating the Constitution because he lost the 2020 presidential election:
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-resolution/1527/text
Trump's asserting no constitutuonal limits to his power:
During a January 2026 interview with The New York Times, President Donald Trump was asked whether anything could limit his ability to use the vast military and economic power of the United States as he saw fit.[...]Trump replied, “Yeah, there is one thing. My own morality. My own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me.”
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/trump-says-he-sets-his-own-limits-founding-fathers-disagree/
Trump:
- Supports federal marijuana restrictions despite previously saying states should decide.
- Supports increased federal policing and surveillance powers.
- Supports (and unconstitutionally imposes) tariffs.
https://lp.org/trump-opposite-libertarian/
Yeah. TDS doesn't count as evidence.
I'm not sure whether to laugh because you were only able to round up two or to laugh because the only two you rounded up are distorted and pathetic.
Tell us how much *Constitutional* authority there is for every single Welfare Pitch passed by [D]emon-craps there are (what's that about 50,000 points).
Tell how Biden went ahead with Student Loan Forgiveness even though SCOTUS specifically told him not-to yet Trump did pull NG in accordance.
Show us this evidence that Trump actual did suspend all Constitutional law when [D]emon-crap stuffed the ballet-boxes beyond your own wish-casting imagination.
You've got nothing at-all but TDS wish-casting imagination trying to compete with ACTIONS-DONE by the left.
T2, as I wrote, Pres. Trump currently is the most prominent anti-liberty advocate in the DemoPublican duopoly. You are able to see anti-liberty actions by the Demo part of the duopoly but act blind toward the anti-liberty actions of the Publican part.
Like a public comment about packing a 'Gun' to protect protesters that won't get out of law enforcement's face is probably a bad idea?
Oh yeah. Surely I'm just blinded by such an Anti-Liberty comment in the face of legislation that literally TAKES that Liberty away. /s UR a Joke.
JS;dr (gfy)
This continues to be a retarded democeat lie. Even gun groups have stated not to attack cops or resist arrest while armed.
Why is reason doubling down on this?
Meanwhile reason ignores the anti gun bill in VA.
Even gun groups have stated not to attack cops or resist arrest while armed.
Even from the get go. Gun groups and owners are fully aware they *live* everyday in a "Papers, please." environment or one "imaginary construct" away from one. Even fairly Red, pro-2A states respect the rights of employers to enforce such mandates and the Federal government to prevent even knives of more than 2.5 inches on federal property.
The idea of parsing Ross' second and third shot at Renee Good from the first while *ignoring* that Pretti left his house without ID, with 60+ rounds, is just superficially dishonest and stupid to anyone who actually does have to carry *even knives* while remaining in compliance with the law (or trying to).
Pretti was not resisting arrest. He was attacked and then attacked again when helping the lady who was attacked. Or should we all just submit to masked men who are detaining people without warrants and leaving cars running on the side of the road and busting into houses of citizens without warrants...
What happened to the need for 2A because we need to resist tyranny?
"Pretti was not resisting arrest."
Lying so transparently is not helping your cred, asswipe.
As long as the tyranny emanates from Trump, his worshippers will tie themselves into intellectual and moral knots to rationalize it.
As long as the tyranny emanates from Trump, his worshippers will tie themselves into intellectual and moral knots to rationalize it.
As long as TDS exists, TDS-addled steaming piles of lying shit will lie.
Not rationalize it. Those followers are not independent. They are not using their frontal lobe at all.
JF, you make a good point. I should have been more precise by noting that some Trumpists slavishly repeat the talking points programmed into them by media Trumpsplainers. Spare them sympathy when Trump's whims change the required Trumpist line, as when in 2024 he claimed that he had saved ACA after spending years trying to repeal it or when Trump dialed back on claiming that the people whom ICE killed were domestic terrorists.
My earlier comments were about the Trump apologists who make an effort to rationalize their Leader's grotesqueries, as when he bragged that he could grab women's genitalia and get away with it while posing as a guardian of Christian morality. Their struggles are interesting to watch, though it is a mean pleasure that makes one embarrassed on their behalf.
Nope. He was resisting. Your ranting and raving won’t make it so.
Thank goodness it got partly restored after Nixon tried to eliminate it by signing the ABM treaty. That awkward stabbing was exposed in the pages of Physics Today back in April 1986, p. 90.
Um... "masked men who are detaining people without warrants and leaving cars running on the side of the road" with murdered drivers unable to apply the brakes or shut off the engine. There.
For every such initiation of force there is unequal yet apposite reprisal force. (Nature makes these kinds of Laws, not I.) So when the tit-for-tat comes around, how much you wanna bet the Trumpanzee harridan will again squeal her thugs are "victims"?
He was pushed-back because he (and the others) refused to get off the street and maintain a distance.
He was pepper-sprayed because he tried to restrain the officer from pushing the protesters back.
Not sure if it’s been discussed much aside from Good Liz the other day, but Holmes apparently was rocking an Sig P320 AXG Combat. There’s even been some claims that the piece probably misfired while the cops were wrestling with him.
https://nypost.com/2026/01/25/us-news/alex-prettis-sig-p320-may-have-gone-off-accidentally-experts-suggest/
Fucking Sig P 320’s!
Hey Jacob, while you're distorting things, could you photoshop Pretti to look more muscular?
Hack.
And do that with KMW, too.
Yep. Same looter sockpuppet, different disguise, MOOTED again. Sayonara, sucker!
I'm seeing the NPC drones on my FB feed saying weird shit like "the 2A is our issue now!"
It always was.
Permission granted, go buy that AR you've been secretly wanting, but trying desperately to ban - you fucking weirdos.
"Alex Pretti's Death Widens a Split Between Sanity and the TDS-Addled Steaming Pile of Lying Shit Sullum."
He interfered with an arrest, was armed, and (PROPERLY) was shot to death, asswipe. Get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped baseball bat.
Throw faster Sullum!
Pretti is sliding off the wall. He's not sticking, quick try something else.
Trump is who he's always been. A gun grabber.
"A lot of times by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures, I like taking the guns early".
D. Trump, 2018
Oh, gee! Found a 'quote' from 7 years ago!
Sevo, Pres. Trump is 79. He was 71 when he made the 'take the guns first, go through due process second' remarks. It is unlikely that a man his age has changed appreciably in that period. Furthermore, his remarks are of a piece with his usual disregard for the rule of law.
BTW, congratulations on avoiding repetitious coprolalia in your reply to MC. It seems that my coaching is having an effect.
PS after editing: I wrote too soon about your coprolalia. I had not seen your most recent extrusions. However, take heart; your reply to Moo Cow show that you can overcome your fecal obsession, at least temporarily. Don't give up, and remember my advice to substitute private hand flapping and vocalizations for repetitious copralalia when you feel the need for stimming and self-soothing.
Congratulations. Your remarks are of a piece with other TDS-addled steaming piles of shit.
Trump is often shows his true[-blue] colors, e.g., with government ownership of the means of production. I asked Microsoft Copilot about Trump's Democratic Party loyalties and received too much to show here but found the following especially interesting:
Early 2000s — Multiple sources note that Trump was a registered Democrat during this period, and he also donated to Democratic politicians, including Kamala Harris in 2011 and 2013.
Direct Contributions to Hillary Clinton
- Campaign donations:
Trump made multiple contributions to Hillary Clinton when she was a U.S. Senator from New York.
- Documented donation years include 2002, 2005, 2006, and 2007.
- Clinton Foundation:
Trump donated at least \$100,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
Gee, just above you said he never changes his mind! Seek treatment.
Sevo, you should work on acquiring the habit of thoughtful reading while losing the habit of coprolalia. My comment was in support of the assertion that Pres. Trump retains many of his Democratic beliefs.
You should fuck off and die, asswipe.
Sevo, there is hope! You can be better. Remember: _Private_ hand flapping and vocalizations instead of coprolalia. Neither will fix your underlying condition, which likely is permanent, but following my coaching should be equally satisfying and will simultaneously make you less annoying to others while hiding your fecal obsession from the world. It's a win-win!
You should fuck off and die, shitstain.
Sevo, don't give up! You may backslide on exposing your obsession with the products of the backside, but that does not mean you can't form new habits. We know that switching from one "security blanket" to another is scary, but coprolalia does you no favors. Remember: _Private_ hand flapping and vocalizations.
Hillary promised to keep having goons shoot hippies and latinos over weed, remember? That was in 2016.
Yes Trump has always been a gun grabber. And in the face of his power and awesomeness, his supporters are now strongly miming the slogans and catchphrases of gun grabbing.
Trump is who he's always been. His supporters have become stupid.
Where's this proposed legislation to 'ban' guns from the Trump Administration?
I swear those with TDS will make-up any imaginary beast they can to support their (non-evident) accusation.
Whether ICE fucked up or not, carrying a gun to a rally where you were to protest in front of a heavily armed law enforcement agency is just insanity.
But of course, the fact that he had a gun has almost disappeared from the narrative.
Considering that he didn’t have a gun when he was shot because CBP had already taken it from him doesn’t matter, eh?
Apparently the new standard is “If at one point you had a gun, but don’t any longer, we can still kill you”.
No, this administration isn’t authoritarian and CBP/ICE aren’t unidentifiable, masked, unaccountable secret police. Not at all.
Pretty sure that is the 'fuck-up' of ICE Gregdn addresses.
A fellow officer not knowing an officer had that gun instead of Pretti.
According to the conservative _National_Review_:
“What is indisputable is that Alex Pretti never removed his firearm from his holster. Pretti’s holster appeared to be on his belt, near his back.
“During the scrum, while Pretti is on the ground, a DHS agent in a gray coat and gray cap searches his waistband, finds the firearm, and removes it. It is difficult to see how Pretti, unarmed and on the ground with agents on top of him, could have presented an immediate and deadly threat to the lives of the DHS agents around him, and in some cases, on top of him.
“The DHS agent or agents who killed him fired ten shots at an unarmed man on the ground.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/kristi-noem-growing-liability-for-the-trump-administration/
The sad truth is that the Trumpanzee Suprema Corte, Trumpanzee FBI, DOJ, FBI, DHS and GICEtapo present no danger whatsoever to the perps. Is it clearer now why Christian National Socialists in Germany, Spain and the Americas keep adding violent secret police with immunity from prosecution?
And the problem that arises obviously-is that the fellow officers did not see that the arm with the gun was a fellow officer. Gosh. Maybe that's why they were yelling 'Gun' all of the sudden eh?
"It is difficult to see how Pretti, unarmed and on the ground with agents on top of him, could have presented an immediate and deadly threat to the lives of the DHS agents around him, and in some cases, on top of him.
“The DHS agent or agents who killed him fired ten shots at an unarmed man on the ground.”
The Hero of Amritsar played up in George Orwell's novel "Burmese Days" had a lot in common with MAGAt agents. On a particular street in India where a white woman complained of the natives, Reggie Dyer posted men with guns to force the natives to crawl on all fours if they wanted to cross or travel that street. He later ordered troops to fire on a timid crowd killing 379 and wounding another 1100 or thereabouts. The White Man's Burden-carrier that Reggie was... just like Trump and Congress' ICE heroes.
What split? If youre concealed carrying you must be more deescalatory and if law enforcement detains or arrests you.... you comply. Nothing has changed. ???????
What in the actual fuck.
Oh god, to see normally intelligent people being intentionally obtuse to advance an agenda. It's painful.
You do not interrupt a police operation. Period. You being armed at that moment does not grant some second amendment to exemption to that rule. If I rob a bank while stashing on a gun in my pocket, whether I had a legal permit or not is irrelevant.
Do you see the difference between an armed person attending an anti police rally at a park, and an armed mob interfering with police work? Patel is correct in saying that you cannot bring a gun to any kind of protest. If you insist on being pedantic, you can say "you have a right to bring a gun to a peaceful and lawful protest".
Your constitutional rights cannot be used as a crime. You can't crash a church service and say "I have a first amendment right to do this." You cannot pick a fight with someone while armed and then complain when they shoot you. "But I had a second amendment right to carry" So fucking what?
There's no "rift" between gun owners and Trump. Most of them are conservatives and republicans, and they can see the left's sudden reverence of second amendment as nothing more than self serving agenda. They've been big fans of rooftop Koreans and black store owners defending their business in riots. They never had any "I only want 2nd amendment for me, not for lefties and minorities" biases. Stop it.
If MAGA formed "illegal alien watch" and brought guns to protests at parks, more power to them. If they start interfering with police, they invite trouble. It's no longer a protest. They become a threat, even if the group's philosophy specifically forbids violence and risky confrontational tactics - which "ICE watch" does not.
If an activist group that aims to disrupt and endanger the legitimate lives of any one group, then it is essentially a hate group. "Ice watch" is no different than "Jew watch" or "immigrant watch". There's not one FUCKING difference. "Keeping the government accountable" is no excuse. Go join a non profit legal advocacy group that sues police for misconduct or violation of rights. If you harass off duty officers eating out with their family, you commit a hate crime.
If I had a gun, I would point it at Alex Pretti if he did to my family what he did to ICE. The guy kicked out the back headlight of an ICE vehicle and spat at them. If he keeps coming at me despite my warnings, I might shoot him, especially since I can see that he has a gun. His right to carry is not my problem.
Seriously, if the KKK held a rally near a predominantly nonwhite neighborhood, armed with guns, machetes and axes, is it a violation of their 2A for cops to be stationed near them just in case? Should there be no heightened sense of awareness, given what they stand for?
ICE watch and similar "protesters" (LOL) are not peaceful protesters. They've killed two illegals while targeting ICE. They're refusing to give them hotel rooms and medical treatment. They're spreading ideas on how to poison the food to be eaten by police officers.
If you want to commit civil obedience for your cause, then you get arrested peacefully and face the consequences. This is what MLK did, what Ghandi did. If you want to shoot at cops and stage armed insurrection against "tyranny" then you die.
Pure fantasy from the regime bootlicker Sullum. There is no divide you fucking idiot.