Rand Paul to Joe Rogan: DOJ Won't Prosecute Anthony Fauci for Lying
"They ought to take it to court," the Kentucky senator said.
Making an appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience Tuesday, Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) expressed his frustration that the Trump administration has failed to refer Anthony Fauci for criminal prosecution for lying to Congress.
Paul told Rogan that he believes Fauci's blanket pardon—issued by former President Joe Biden during the waning hours of his presidency—should be challenged in court. Paul said he has provided Attorney General Pam Bondi with evidence that Fauci misled Congress about gain-of-function research and also instructed his deputies to destroy public records in order to stymie scrutiny.
"I've summarized it again in a criminal referral to Trump's attorney general, and I still haven't gotten action," said Paul. "They ought to take it to court."
Senator Rand Paul just revealed to Joe Rogan that the Trump DOJ won't investigate Anthony Fauci.
"Under the Biden administration, I sent criminal referrals for Anthony Fauci to Merrick Garland twice, and I sent them evidence that he had lied to Congress, which is a felony."… pic.twitter.com/7MBbYDI16F
— End Tribalism in Politics (@EndTribalism) January 13, 2026
Paul insisted that he couldn't guarantee victory in court, given the sweeping nature of the pardon issued to Fauci. But he thought it was worth doing in order to see if the Supreme Court might narrow the pardon.
Reason's Christian Britschgi has argued that Fauci's statements to Congress about whether the agency he oversaw funded high-risk gain-of-function research that could have caused the COVID-19 pandemic were certainly misleading. Moreover, the timeline of the Fauci pardon is quite suspicious, since it covers the period of time during which Fauci plausibly signed off on gain-of-function research despite a presidential executive order mandating a pause on such funding. The pardon window does not cover just his time as the nation's top coronavirus adviser, nor does it extend to his entire career in government service: It dates to 2014, when President Barack Obama halted gain-of-function research.
Paul and Rogan also recapped many of the erroneous policies recommended by Fauci during the pandemic: made-up social distancing guidelines, mask mandate flip-flops, and vaccine requirements.
It's always refreshing to see libertarian views being represented on such an important platform. And given President Donald Trump's misguided zeal to enlist his Justice Department to investigate various political enemies for dubious reasons—James Comey, Letitia James, Jerome Powell, and others—it's disappointing that the DOJ isn't contemplating action against Fauci, who is a much more deserving target.
Maybe Bondi just has her hands full drawing black lines all over the Epstein files.
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Moreover, the timeline of the Fauci pardon is quite suspicious, since it covers the period of time during which Fauci plausibly signed off on gain-of-function research despite a presidential executive order mandating a pause on such funding. The pardon window does not cover just his time as the nation's top coronavirus adviser, nor does it extend to his entire career in government service: It dates to 2014, when President Barack Obama halted gain-of-function research.
Fauci was rogue his entire tenure.
My dad died alone because of Fauci bullshit policies. That pardon is only good for federal prosecution.
Could not say goodbye to my brother on his death bed thanks to Fauci and the Covid hoax. I'm not religious but if he could exist for eternity in a flaming abyss I'm fully onboard.
sorry that happened. I might have turned to arson.
Prosecutions for lying to Congress are very rare. Republicans don't want to make them more common because it is mostly Republicans who lie to Congress. Half of Trump's cabinet would be charged.
How does it feel to be on team "Just as Bad?"
I am not on any "team". But the Republicans/MAGAs are 100x worse than the Ds.
"the Republicans/MAGAs are 100x worse than the Ds."
Maybe it's time someone explained to you the concept of what being on a team means.
Team CCP for sure.
bwahaha typical maga repsonse. Team libertarian and you might get a clue someday. Fauci was under Trump too
Look how stupid you are.
Ha! in what world would a Dem administration not use their DOJ to persecu... er .. prosecute a republican? Republicans may not want their own subject to that kind of scrutiny but lets face it... Once the Dems get into power they'll have a heyday impeaching, prosecuting...heck, they'll write laws that allow SUV unimpeded forward acceleration if blocked by immigration law enforcement.
there is no quid pro quo with dems... they just use any effort for such by the Rs as a case of unilateral disarmament.
The Ds are too chickenshit to do what will be needed to the MAGAs.
What, shooting them and running them over with cars isn't enough for you?
You want boxcars and ovens, don't you.
Stupid fucking Nazi.
Cry some more snowflake.
Every accusation is an admission.
Maybe breaking into homes and beating them with hammers or setting their homes on fire?
Again:
"Maybe it's time someone explained to you the concept of what being on a team means."
What needs to happen to you commies is helicopter rides.
This is who maga is: a police state dictator wanting, paper carrying snowflakes.
Yeah, it’s not like you fucks go around shooting people for their speech or driving cars into crowds.
Oh wait…
You got that right!
There is already a legal precedent for standing in front of an SUV and putting yourself in danger idiot.
Bunch of bootlicking gooseteppers in this forum. Certainly not libertarians. A trump supporting crying about using the DOJ against enemies. What a fucking world. Cry some more snowflake.
Precedent was set in the case of Kirby v. Duva 2008 which states that deadly force cannot be used to prevent the escape of an unarmed, non-dangerous fleeing suspect. The ruling also supports the idea that an officer's use of deadly force may be deemed excessive if the officer UNREASONABLY PLACES THEMSELVES in harm's way in the first place, rather than utilizing safer alternatives. Also see:
Adams v Speers
Abraham v Roso
You seem triggered. Maybe dont neglect your meds. I wasnt commenting on the appropriateness of the amount of force used.
For what its worth I think it was an overreaction but who knows what you'd do in the same instance with the same resources. There is also the fact that certain personality types shouldnt be in law enforcement - that video of the swat team terrorizing the guy in a hotel hallway before confusing him with contradictory orders enough to justify (in their eyes) murdering him . Every cop on that detail should have gone to jail in my opinion.
Stfu commie scum.
Oh crap, Robby. Does Cato know you wrote an article slightly critical of Fauci?
Mr. Koch is going to be so pissed.
Or, hear me out, your bias sees what it wants.
Trump is going after enemies as often as he can. He doesn't like Fauci and even if he did, he would love to take down somebody Biden pardoned. Which makes me ask, if Rand Paul has the dirt like he says, then why hasn't Trump had Fauci on the gallows by now ? His DOJ isn't known for restraint or making robust accusations that hold up in court. Yet ... nothing burger on this so far ? What gives ?
You wicked fuckers faked evidence for two impeachment votes, then you used the courts to try to keep him off the ballot, and when that didn't work you tried to have him imprisoned on made up crimes there weren't even laws for, and when that didn't work you tried to shoot him.
On top of that you arrested all the lawyers who represented him for representing him.
And yet here you are pretending that Trump is the one persecuting people.
Pure fucking projection.
Thank you for that lovely non sequitur that in no way answers the question.
How the fuck is it a non-sequitur? Do you even know what that means?
You: "Trump is trying to arrest his opponents"
Me: "That's projection on your part because that's exactly what you guys tried to do, arrest your opponents, and here's how."
You: "nOn-sEqUitEr"
Fucking retard.
You see only what Maga blinders allows.
In an article about Rand Paul and Fauci , I asked " Which makes me ask, if Rand Paul has the dirt like he says, then why hasn't Trump had Fauci on the gallows by now ? "
You answered " Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Dems are bad."
"You answered " Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Dems are bad."
I answered your post where you literally said "Trump is going after enemies as often as he can. He doesn't like Fauci... he would love to take down somebody Biden pardoned.... why hasn't Trump had Fauci on the gallows by now ? His (Trump's) DOJ isn't known for restraint or making robust accusations that hold up in court."
Did you forget what you wrote? From beginning to end it was all about Trump and now you claim I was the one who brought him up?
Do you have the memory of a goldfish? Do you imagine your posts just disappear when they're no longer convenient for you? Do you think nobody can read as far as three comments up?
I just hope you didn't get any renminbi for that one, retard.
Also Dems are fucking bad. Monstrous actually, with the second worst record of genocide and enslavement in the West.
Only the Nazi party has been the western political party who was more evil than them. Not even Mussolini's fascists or Franco's Falangists plumbed the depth's of depravity that the Democrats have.
Let's set aside all the electoral and financial fraud they're up to right now and look at your party's history.
The Democratic party singlehandedly fought to enslave and preserve slavery culminating in a bloody civil war that killed over a million people.
And when that was foiled you created your own paramilitary, the Klu Klux Klan, so you could continue to terrorize Blacks, lynching them on the slightest excuse. Your Democratic Party’s very own Brownshirts terrorizing millions of Americans for over half a century.
And then to really get revenge on your former victims you enacted and enforced Jim Crow, then resegregated the civil service and fired thousands of black professionals.
And none of this was perpetrated by any other party. It was all your Democrats. The Republican party was expressly formed as anti-slavery.
It’s no wonder that Ida B. Wells said in 1885, “I am not a Democrat, because the Democrats considered me a chattel and possibly might have always so considered me, because their record from the beginning has been inimical to my interests.”
But then you continued. Filibustering the Civil Rights act, the 1956 Southern Manifesto, bombing black churches, and when that game was over you blamed it on others and claimed the Southern Democrats “switched sides”.
Even though the Record of Congress shows that only one single, solitary Southern Democrat, a man with a black daughter, “switched” parties. The hundreds of others stayed Democrats until the day they died. Some, like KKK Kleagle Robert Byrd, feted and honored into the 2000s.
And still you carry on, stuffing Blacks into projects and putting the vast majority of abortion clinics in Black neighborhoods, so that they’re being aborted at rates of 4:1 over whites. Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger explicitly said she was targeting blacks for eugenics, and Democrats have proudly carried that up till today, ensuring billions gets funneled into PP eugenics factories.
And it wasn’t just Blacks. With the Indian Wars you Democrats genocided Native Americans, killing entire tribes right down to the babies. With the Indian Removal Act you Democrats kicked the “Five Civilized Tribes” out of their own cities and off their own farms and into the wilderness in an ethnic cleansing so brutal that it is called the Trail of Tears. All your Democratic Party's initiative BTW, the other parties opposed it, and Jackson and Van Buren carried it out.
Not content with two ethnic cleansings, your Democrats rounded up thousands of patriotic Americans into camps for the crime of having Japanese Ancestors.
And it wasn’t just about race. Your Democrats enacted alcohol prohibition, ferociously opposed universal suffrage, and got the US mired in Vietnam, wiping out villages there and shooting kids.
I can hear you sputtering that it doesn’t count because that was a million years ago, so let’s look at now.
In the last four years we witnessed the logical fruition of your centuries long radical utopia: Censorship, electronic surveillance, internal spying, illegally using the CIA and FBI to spy on the opposition candidates and on journalists and civilians, political monopolies, weaponization of the intelligence agencies, turning the FBI into your own Stasi, pouring billions of dollars into campaigns, changing voting laws by fiat, a woke revolutionary military, book banning, bleeding the First Amendment, canceling careers, blacklisting, separate-but-equal racial segregation and separatism, castrating children, arresting the political opposition and operating kangaroo courts.
You know what you did instead of apologizing for all that? In an act of monumental gaslighting you blamed it all on the party that had actually opposed those acts. A party that was actually created to fight slavery.
But you want to say that it should all be left in the past. It should be forgotten until the next time you need to inflame a series of BLM riots in the country and then you'll blame your opponents again.
Speaking of projection. wah wah those guys are so bad. LEt's vote in something worse...who is reatrded? The one projecting, YOU.
Still cannot answer the question. Just crying like a bitch ass snowflake TrumpDickSucker
It was a direct response to your own retardation.
She can’t help it.
Pretending he is persecuting people? How does that boot taste?
Too bad he isn't in prison. Putin puppet will destroy NATO. I am sure that will be terrible for Russia. Fucking traitor ass goosesteppers. NOT libertarians, that is for sure
>>why hasn't Trump had Fauci on the gallows by now?
what do you think you know?
Rand on Rogan is a snake oil salesman pitching the county fair.
LOL. You win the comments.
"Maybe Bondi just has her hands full drawing black lines all over the Epstein files."
Or maybe Trump is up to his neck in "swamp" with no upside for him in prosecuting Fauci, since he was seen approvingly on the same stage as Fauci while Fauci smirked at Trump's ignorance. Not to mention the outrageous policies that were promulgated on his watch.
You'll post any innuendo that you can to deflect from the truth in front of you.
Fauci was pardoned. DOJ is investigating the auto pen pardons. When those are deemed illegal, Fauci will be in court.
If somehow they are not deemed illegal and Fauci is still pardoned Texas, Florida or a State will charge him.
Neutral - I'm not sure what innuendo you mean here, but I would very much like SOMEONE to charge him with his crimes. It's also not clear to me how Fauci might have been pardoned by auto pen but how is that relevant to whether the DoJ investigates Fauci or not? Trump has a very clear history of jumping on charges when he wants to, so suggesting that he doesn't WANT to file charges against Fauci since he hasn't jumped all over him seems quite justified to me. Regardless, pardoning anyone for crimes they have not yet been charged with seems illegal to me prima facie! What better way to challenge that all the way to the Supreme Court than to charge Fauci despite the anticipatory pardon and find out?
Much respect for Rand but the pardon is a big deal and the statutes of limitations. I'm all for prosecuting this evil sub human piece of shit but it will not be easy.
It's always refreshing to see libertarian views being represented on such an important platform.
Libertarian platforms are few and far between these days.
And given President Donald Trump's misguided zeal to enlist his Justice Department to investigate various political enemies for dubious reasons—James Comey, Letitia James, Jerome Powell, and others—it's disappointing that the DOJ isn't contemplating action against Fauci, who is a much more deserving target.
Perhaps because none of them have a section 230 extending back to the paleolithic era.
Fauci would never lie about the vaccine, or masks, or lockdowns, or 6 feet would he Bailey?
Exactly probably not prosecuted because Bailey and similars have lied to people to believe it cures cancer and makes all types of deaths less likely, grows hair, and allows you to speak seven languages. How can they know a liar when all the others are too?
Don't forget if you have had your boosters the odds of dying by drowning and car accidents decreases significantly versus the unvaccinated.
Fauci Fauci Fauci. FDS.
This is old news. Time to move on to Powell.
Oh, and never mind the hundred lies and misinfomations Trump himself uttered in regard to Covid.
After all this the average person can't even articulate what "Lab Leak" even means much less understand what a Furin Cleavage Site is. Is that what attracted Trump to Stormy and caused him to pay someone to bury that story? Hmmm...
This is old news.
"what difference, at this point, does it make?"
Lemme guess...you voted for both broads?
Cite the 100's of lies Trump uttered about Covid. I know this is impossible.
How about citing 10?
If you are so stunned to not understand the term lab leak there 's no hope for you.
"It's "dubious" when Democrats break the law and abuse their power. Cant hold them to account
So why doesn't Rand Paul bring Fauci BACK to testify.
Ask him the SAME questions. Ask him why today's answers are different (if they are). Ask him if he was LYING previously.
He will admit to lying or he opens himself up to brand new charges of lying to Congress without all that pardon stuff in the way.
The review of the validity of Auto Pen pardons and ruling is most likely the holdback.
Perhaps they find Biden's auto pen pardons invalid and Fauci and others are no longer protected.
"And given President Donald Trump's misguided zeal to enlist his Justice Department to investigate various political enemies for dubious reasons"
"James Comey, Letitia James."
You can't be serious Robbie. This article is a sad fucking joke.
HE didn't tell us the specific lies? hmmm
Senator Rand Paul is absolutely correct in that Anthony Fauci should be charged and found guilty of numerous thing. Fauci's behavior and actions were abhorrent. The pardon should challenged and the evidence should be presented in full view of public.
Reason.com should write several articles about Anthony Fauci and his misdeeds and lies even if the pardon is upheld. Bad actors need to be punished in public and Fauci should be made an example of what happens when you violate the public trust.
Right. There was no problem doing all of this with E. Jean Carroll or to Alex Jones.
Fauci dying penniless and alone, impoverished from litigation, wouldn't be justice, but it would be better than what we're getting.
Even a blind-side tackle while he's out mowing his lawn would be more apropos.
Who cares if Faucci goes to jail? I want more evidence the Government lied and was criminal. The fact that he is pardoned just means that he can’t go to jail, but all the evidence can be taken and others without pardons can be convicted.