Brett Kavanaugh Is Rightly Skeptical of a Nationwide Ruling on Trans Athletes
State lawmakers should be more skeptical of overly broad laws, too.
Becky Pepper-Jackson just wanted to be on the girls' middle school cross country team. Now, five years later, she's at the Supreme Court.
In 2021, West Virginia enacted a law banning transgender girls from playing on girls' and women's sports teams, from middle school through college, from the top levels of athletics down through intramural sports. But Pepper-Jackson didn't just wake up one morning and decide to identify as a girl so that she could be on the middle school cross country team—she transitioned in third grade, never went through male puberty, and has been undergoing hormone therapy. Her lawyers argue that means she wouldn't have an unfair athletic advantage against other girls—the science on that front is mixed.
Her story is one of many complex examples that show the legal and scientific questions around transgender athletes are far from the black-and-white issues that activists on both sides portray them as. Justice Brett Kavanaugh seemed to argue as much on Tuesday: "Given that half the states are allowing it, allowing transgender girls and women to participate, about half are not, why would we at this point…jump in and try to constitutionalize a rule for the whole country while there's still…uncertainty and debate?" That argument came as the Supreme Court considered the constitutionality of an Idaho law that is similar, but a little more broad, than West Virginia's. In theory, the same argument applies to laws like California's, which is the polar opposite in that it says schools must allow transgender athletes to play on the team for whatever gender they identify with. Blanket policies that either allow or disallow all transgender athletes from participating in girls' and women's sports are not the way—they are better handled on a case-by-case basis closer to the ground, at the level of the individual school, league, or governing body for each sport that can look at the nuances of each athlete.
Including Idaho and West Virginia, 27 states have laws restricting transgender participation in female athletics. Each one raises difficult questions about who they apply to, where they apply, and what to do about unexpected edge cases—like, perhaps, Pepper-Jackson's argument that she has no athletic advantage due to her prepubescent transition.
In West Virginia, for example, athletic eligibility is determined by whatever sex was on the person's birth certificate. That's simple in most cases, but what about cases where a birth certificate is lost and can't be verified, or where the government is at fault for putting the wrong information down?
In Idaho, the verification process is much more invasive. If an athlete's gender is disputed, they would have to have a doctor establish their sex "based solely on: (a) The student's internal and external reproductive anatomy; (b) The student's normal endogenously produced levels of testosterone; and (c) An analysis of the student's genetic makeup." ("Normal" levels are not defined in the four-page law.)
All that can be triggered by anyone who raises a dispute—even by someone who just wants to abuse the process and subject a rival to embarrassment and invasive medical testing. It could also mean that a girl or woman who was born female, has always been biologically female, and happens to have higher than normal natural testosterone levels could get caught up in the ban even though she's not transgender.
(Some might argue those higher than normal testosterone levels are easily dealt with by hormone suppression. South African Olympic runner Caster Semenya described her experience on such medications: "It makes you feel sick, nauseous. You have panic attacks. It starts creating a little bit of blood clots in your system. Your stomach is burning. You eat a lot. You can't sleep.")
The complexities of these laws aren't just biological, but geographical. How are private schools implicated? In West Virginia, they still fall under the law's restrictions if they want to participate in the West Virginia Secondary School Activities Commission, the state's main governing body for high school sports. What about private youth leagues, and does it matter if they are playing at public or private facilities? At least in Idaho and West Virginia, they seem to be allowed to set their own rules and are allowed to include transgender athletes in competition at public facilities if they so choose, as long as they are not school-affiliated teams.
The complexities are constitutional in nature, too. Kavanaugh and Justice Elena Kagan wondered aloud if, perhaps, all states should be forced to exclude transgender athletes from women's sports. Multiple justices discussed whether Bostock v. Clayton County (2020) comes into play, a ruling that banned employer discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote in that decision that "an employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different sex." Does that call into question the constitutionality of separate boys and girls sports leagues at public schools? The justices didn't seem to want to get into that.
Opponents of these laws do not seem optimistic about getting them overturned. Pepper-Jackson's lawyer is hoping the Supreme Court will send the case back to lower courts—presumably, he is either not confident considering the Supreme Court's current makeup or trying to buy time. Plus, "the court's three Democratic appointees appeared to recognize that the challengers faced an uphill battle," as Amy Howe wrote on SCOTUSblog. "They seemed to devote much of their efforts to mitigating their losses—either by getting one case thrown out or by limiting the court's decision to a narrow one."
When Kavanaugh mentioned the "uncertainty and debate" in this issue, he seemed to be arguing against the judiciary striking down the state bans on transgender athletes in women's sports. Legislators should take that argument further and realize the complexities of this issue do not lend themselves well to heavy-handed regulation. Transgender people are a fraction of the population, transgender athletes an even smaller one, but each one deserves a flexible law that takes into account nuance and changes in science. It does not seem like the politicians in Idaho and West Virginia have taken many of these unique edge cases into account—and on the opposite side in California, it does not seem like politicians have taken the competitive implications of their law into account.
Perhaps a better standard would be one based on harm. Allowing an 11-year-old Becky Pepper-Jackson to be on her middle school cross country team doesn't really harm anyone. The stakes are low or nil. Letting her and other transgender athletes participate in varsity sports at the high school and collegiate level—where there are scholarships and name, image, and likeness money on the line—is a whole different question, and one that is better handled on by sporting administrators close to the situation than politicians who think everything is simpler than it really is.
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Nah, this one is pretty universal, as far as issues go.
Women's sports should be limited to genetic females. Anyone else can play in the newly renamed 'Open' division (no such thing as a men's division, as it's never excluded non-men).
There is no such thing as a non-genetic female nor male. A male cannot be a female nor vice versa. Reason promotes this delusion by using female pronouns to describe a male.
There is no such thing as a non-genetic female nor male.
Sure there is. For example, someone XY with fullblown AIS will present as a non-genetic female.
Bud, the entire and only point of Title IX was to have separate sports for women, because they are physically, biologically, and genetically inferior to males in the muscle department. Allowing genetic males into their bathrooms, locker rooms, and teams violates Title IX.
Go ahead and whine about the few abnormal ones. But gender fluidentity has nothing to do with muscle mass or whether one can bear children.
Stop being a fuckwit like the fucktards on the cultist right. I merely pointed out an error and drew no further conclusions.
Poor shrike.
LMAO you pointed out a pointless fact that only a fucktarded fuckwit would.
You lot get bent out of shape by facts?
You gave a talking point. ML responded with facts.
I worked a tongue twister from the words in your post. Didn't like it?
It's not surprising you tried to turn a 1 in a billion statistic into an often occurring circumstance for millions of Americans.
LMAO, you pointed out a pointless stat that only a fucktarded fuckwit would.
I fixed it, do you feel better now?
Actually, no.
Let's read what Title IX actually says:
(You can then go and read the list of exceptions at https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1681 .)
So, first, Title IX has exactly zero words about sports at all, which would be really weird if anything regarding sports were the "entire and only point".
But, second, Title IX, as literally enacted, absolutely prohibits single-sex school sports. Because such sports are programs or activities that exclude persons from participation on the basis of their sex, and Title IX categorically prohibits such exclusion. If a boy is not allowed to participate in any given educational program or activity because of his sex, that is an explicit Title IX violation, and that includes every school-organized sport.
The entire basis of the idea "Title IX requires separate-but-equal school sports for girls/women" is based on regulations issued by executive branch agencies in direct defiance of the statutory language.
This was addressed in the oral arguments before SCOTUS and the regulations and jurisprudence surrounding Title IX do allow for sex segregated sports and arguably require them for equal treatment.
These two seem to contradict each other.
So Title IX uses zero words about sports to regulate sports.
That's how lawyers earn their reputation.
"The 2A says ARMS not GUNS"
This is how dumb you are.
AIS (androgen insensitivity syndrome) occurs in one in 50,000 births or so but most of those are partials that won't meet the conditions of your comment. The fraction that will be "fullblown" will be far, far smaller. It's also associated with decreased bone density and several other comorbidities. Across the entire population of the US, you're talking maybe a couple hundred, fewer who will try to participate in sports. Sweeping policies and legislation are inappropriate for that.
But you're right, WellRedMan overstated to say that there is no such thing - it's just incredibly rare. Also very much not the case for any of the people in the litigation currently at SCOTUS.
A male with AIS is still a male.
There is no such thing as a 'non-genetic' female or male.
Statistically insignificant and irrelevant with regard to these cases. Pedantic clown.
I know science isn't the average progressives strong suit, but androgen insensitivity syndrome gives you a micropenis and completely shrunken balls. It doesn't mean they have ovaries and vagina.
They're still biological males even if they're not Dirk Diggler.
Welredman was 100% correct.
That's not what r/transAlly told him.
Agreed. There is no "scientific' argument to be made. Boys are born boys and girls are born girls. Period. As for the headline, the case is not a nationwide ruling imposing anything. It will be a ruling to devolve power to the states to make their own ruling. At that point the states and it's citizens can choose. That is called Federalism.
If SCOTUS rules to allow trannies, then a move should be made to remove Title IX. It would mean absolutely nothing.
"Perhaps a better standard would be one based on harm. Allowing an 11-year-old Becky Pepper-Jackson to be on her middle school cross country team doesn't really harm anyone. The stakes are low or nil. Letting her and other transgender athletes participate in varsity sports at the high school and collegiate level—where there are scholarships and name, image, and likeness money on the line—is a whole different question, and one that is better handled on by sporting administrators close to the situation than politicians who think everything is simpler than it really is."
So, you're full of shit. Got it. Thanks sparkles.
Robbing one bank has an effect close to nil nationally, so why go after one time bank robbers.
The usage of his preferred pronouns throughout highlights that the author is just another left-wing propagandist. At no point was there ever an attempt to be rational. Activism for his political pets and virtue signaling trumps any logic and honesty.
I think its due to the AP style guide or something like that.
That is the logical extension. If a state allows trannies to change claimed sexes at a whim then Title IX is dead. A boy who tries out for a cross country team for example and doesn't make it can declare he is a girl and suddenly win a state championship. After the season he can go back to being a boy and try out for the boys basketball team. If he doesn't make it he can declare he is a girl again and crush all the other girls setting state records then go back to being a boy when the season ends.
There is no such thing as transgender.
Boys can't be girls.
It is perfectly reasonable for the courts to rule that boys can't be girls.
Some boys want to be girls and can't deal with the reality of being a boy, but that is not a valid basis for law or court rulings.
If he believed the earth was flat as sincerely as he believes he is a girl, would you advocate outlawing globes and requiring ships to sail off the edge?
Sometimes, Jason, reality has to be acknowledged.
Libertarians for rights based solely on feelings.
Babylon Bee had libertarians nailed:
Libertarian Politician Googles 'What Is The Absolute Dumbest Take Possible' Before Deciding What Side Of Issue To Come Down On
https://babylonbee.com/news/libertarian-politician-googles-what-is-the-absolute-dumbest-take-possible-before-deciding-what-side-of-issue-to-come-down-on
It is sad to me. I moved towards libertarianism because I saw it as an ideology and community for logic and debate. It was very much about "facts don't care about your feelings." It is why when I divert from a purely libertarian position I try to logically justify it but also admit the primary justification is emotional. Reason does none of this and crafts emotional arguments with a thin veneer of mental activity.
https://humanevents.com/2026/01/14/eva-vlaardingerbroek-banned-from-uk-over-starmer-comments
Will Reason have an article about how her human rights were violated?
Or are borders allowed for other countries?
Well, she wasn't really banned, she just needs a travel visa now.
Which is a huge bureaucratic hoop to jump through that most other EU citizens don't need to do, but it's not a full-blown ban. Unless they reject her travel visa application, which they can do, now that they get to review it any time she wants to go there.
Does that call into question the constitutionality of separate boys and girls sports leagues at public schools? The justices didn't seem to want to get into that.
Sports separated by gender does seem to be discrimination based on sex. If The Citadel can't exclude women, neither can the football team. Everyone can try out, and may the best man/woman/girl/boy win.
That would eliminate all women from sports. As other articles have repeatedly pointed out, even a relatively average male athlete can outperform the best female athlete in almost any given sport.
If it does it will not be due to any legislative decision. And it may not exclude all women anyway. Manon Rheaume was a goalie for an NHL team for a short time. Jeanette Lee could probably hold her own against many professional men at billiards. E-sports should be another area where gender difference shouldn't matter.
Explicitly gendered sports leagues should be made illegal.
WTF? Boys soccer - girls soccer.
Meaning there must be teams for both sexes to avoid discrimination.
You are not speaking about children in school either...
Eliminating women's sports will effectively eliminate women from most competitive sport levels if they have to play against men. The number one woman in the world in tennis recently lost an exhibition match 6-3, 6-3 to a man ranked about 670th with handicaps on him of having to defend a larger court than her and not getting a free fault on serve.
It will not be a rule in the book that eliminates women, they just will not be competitive. Absolute physical equality between the sexes is a lie.
Manon Rheaume was more of a publicity stunt and barely had a cup of coffee with the Tampa Bay Lightning. She does not prove your point. In fact, she disproves it.
Oh well. The point is if you're going to abide by Title IX and say discrimination based on sex is illegal, make no exceptions to that. That would all but end womens' sports all the way through college, yes.
OR you scrap Title IX and allow free association again.
Pick one. Personally, I prefer the latter. But that means that you do segregate sports by gender, and you protect cis girls from boys with mental issues.
"The point is if you're going to abide by Title IX and say discrimination based on sex is illegal, make no exceptions to that."
Except the regulations and jurisprudence around Title IX do not actually say that in the case of scholastic sports and may actually require sex segregated sports. It is discussed at length in the oral arguments. Check the link below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPj5tqd_DXI
My times and scores for every track event besides the mile would have comfortably broken the girl's school records. Admittedly I was a state level competitor in my events, but I was about a second short of the 200 record and about a foot short on the long jump for my school. Our JV soccer team had scrimmages once a year against the girl's varsity where we had to play short 2 players. The JV boys dominated every time despite having a losing record compared to the girls who won regionals several years in a row. The gaslighting from trans activists is offensive.
Of course it would and this is where this nonsense is heading. I'd like to thank the extreme leftists out there pushing the "rights" of a miniscule number of confused kids over the rights of millions of girls whose parents and grandparents fought so hard for their rights. Now thanks to leftists you don't have any other than the right to compete with men who will take your spots and deny you college scholarships. Well done.
This was the case before Title IX.
It's a backwards/post-modern, feminist (re-)interpretation of reality. There were no men's sports. There were just sports. Women's sports were invented specifically because "may the best person win" sports and leagues were dominated by men.
It's like saying we need to, by law, create a league for male nurses and then, when it turns out that women are more naturally doting and accommodating of suffering, insist, again by law, that the male nurses allow men-without-penises to do their jobs.
Even without the specific sexism it's the age-old anti-libertarian trope of fixing broken government with more government.
>she transitioned in third grade
So. . . you're full of shit. No one transitions in third grade - they are transitioned.
>but what about cases where a birth certificate is lost and can't be verified, or where the government is at fault for putting the wrong information down?
So . . . you're full of shit. The first case happens how often in the 21st century? And the second? Too bad.
>Allowing an 11-year-old Becky Pepper-Jackson to be on her middle school cross country team doesn't really harm anyone. The stakes are low or nil.
Is this another 'net benefit'? Where since *you* don't feel any negative consequences therefore the negative consequences that other's feel can be downplayed?
re: your number 2, birth certificates get lost or can't be verified all the time. The rebuttal is not that it doesn't happen but that there is a very well-established process to fix that problem. And while it might be a pain in the neck to fix just for school sports, you're going to have to fix it before you get your drivers license, passport, job, etc in just a few years regardless. Isn't that a problem the parent should want to fix while the stakes and time-sensitivity are still low?
Your take is correct but also falls short.
Invoking the inconvenience of losing a birth certificate or committing a typo as justification for unnecessary and life long intervention in unrelated cases is utter batshit lunacy.
The post office occasionally delivers mail to the wrong mailboxes so what's the problem with teens choosing to drive around and blow up mailboxes? They aren't hurting anyone.
The whole point is that biological males can and do wind up fracturing girls' skulls and eyesockets on the field of play. Blow up enough mailboxes and, eventually, one is going to have someone's insulin in it or hangfire and go off when someone's standing at the mailbox.
And, to be clear, I say this as someone who would be fine getting rid of the post office and may or may not have blown up a few mailboxes in his lifetime.
The surgeries and lifelong treatments aren't free any more than the box on a stick at the end of someone's driveway is free. Quite the opposite.
If there is so little harm, there is correspondingly little benefit. Works both ways.
I'd just as soon get rid of Title IX, affirmative action, and all other discrimination, and bring back freedom of association. But the choice here is Title IX or men in women's sports and locker rooms, and the vast majority of the public won't put up with men beating up and leering at women.
+1
SSDD - Get rid of Title IX and public schooling, return private restroom ownership to the private owners and from outside the specific family or community this whole issue largely vaporizes.
Our cross country team wasn't sex-segregated (which I thoroughly enjoyed.) The results and heats were separated by sex and division. I couldn't compete as a freshman girl when I was a varsity guy.
>>Allowing an 11-year-old Becky Pepper-Jackson to be on her middle school cross country team doesn't really harm anyone.
jeebus fucking cripes asshole you and everyone around this person harm him.
Allowing an 11-year-old Becky Pepper-Jackson to be on her middle school cross country team doesn't really harm anyone.
Tell me you've never seen a parent removed from middle school game because they thought their kid was being treated unfairly without saying you've never seen a parent removed from a middle school game because they thought their kid was being treated unfairly.
Once again, I'm reminded of the middle of COVID when the boys (middle school-aged) football team is practicing in the indoor sports center. I go in and it's all boys football, nobody's wearing masks, even in the bleachers. The boy with a broken arm is throwing the ball around with his left hand to the other boys on the sidelines. Then, a week later, I go in when the team is practicing during a girls soccer tournament and all the fans are masked, separated, even the girls on the fields are wearing masks, and the ones on the sidelines are sitting legs crossed, 6 ft. apart. Like a Twilight Zone episode.
No harm my ass.
The harm is there for anyone with 2 brain cells. Fast forward 2 years and scholarships are on the line that women will be excluded from in favor of mediocre boys. Even at that age there is the disincentive to participate in a competitive fashion if the deck is stacked against you, which men in women"s sports explicitly does.
Even without the disincentives, it's nonsensically harmful. It's a specific and dishonest exploit or anti-pattern (or a couple) of democracy *and* an undermining of free association. The law categorizing people whimsically until it is inevitably actively marginalizing someone or a group of them on their class *is the harm*.
Once again, there may be a case that a the federal government ensures a community can't deny one person clean drinking water based on their class, but the idea that an employer, even a public one, can't deny people membership to one of many local sports teams because of medical conditions that they maybe even passively cannot accommodate, is itself hedging on harmful. Go to the sports team that *wants* to accommodate you for a fee or *desires* to accommodate you, even for promotion purposes for free. Start your own league that can be custom-tailored to everyone's benefit. Don't force accommodation.
The question is what should be government role here and I think that should it be to not be involved. The decision here should be made by the governing body for the sport, not by politician trying to please a group of voters. The governing body can best decide if trans athletes have an unfair advantage and what are the consequences of that advantage. I don't want to pick on any sport, but it seems to me that while the trans athlete could have an unfair advantage in swimming events I don't see a distinct advantage in a sport like curling. So national rules seem unnecessary and sport governing bodies need to step up.
It's a government run school.
Does the government set the rules for sports played at the school? Does the government set the height of basketball hoops and length of football fields? School public and private typically follow rules set by the governing body for the sport. These governing bodies should make the rules on whether sports are sex selective, mixed sex and whether trans athletes can participate. Simple as that.
Take the money, pay the piper. As the fig leaf libertarianism of Reason would have it, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Or truly costless schools.
That's an ... interesting approach. What do you do when there are multiple governing bodies for a particular sport? Choosing between them will still be something a government employee has to do. Deciding what accommodations are appropriate (an ADA requirement) will still be a government employee decision. I think it could get closer to taking government out of the decision but alone, it's not enough.
First I don't really think there are that many governing bodies for individual sports. Lots of governing bodies for various sports in general but individual sports are likely to have one maybe two groups that dominate in directing the sport. Secondly I would expect most governing bodies to have similar rules. The reality most people understand where trans athletes would have an unfair advantage and where the difference doesn't really matter.
Parody.
But Pepper-Jackson didn't just wake up one morning and decide to identify as a girl so that she could be on the middle school cross country team—she transitioned in third grade
He decided nothing! His mother, father, or both decided to transition her/his/their elementary-school age son. The child had no say in the matter.
This. The idea that a third grade student has an awareness of sexuality and gender is insane. This is an obvious case of his parents pushing their agenda on a child.
A third grader has absolutely no notion of what the long term health consequences of such a treatment on a physically healthy body will be, and what they are giving up A child that age cannot give meaningful consent to a "treatment" that will end their body's normal development.
That this is allowed ro happen is a travesty and may be an atrocity.
Yup charge the parents for abuse.
If that quoted statement were true, if *he* had enough maturity to transition in third grade, then *he* also had enough maturity to have consensual sex with any other adult, to buy and own and carry a gun, to get a driver's license, to marry, hold down jobs, and ....
Reason is beyond help.
A third grader still thinks dinosaurs walk around somewhere and Tarzan is a documentary. They wouldn't have a grasp of sexuality if kindergarten teachers weren't jamming Gay propaganda down their throats. Be honest, who out there was thinking about this crap when they were in 3rd grade? Nobody? That's right, nobody. Now the kids still aren't, it's the virtue signaling parents that want to be in with cool kids and have moved on from the tiny dogs in a purse thing. The difference is they are destroying their kids lives. Any parent that pushes this shit on their kids should be charged with child abuse and have the kids removed from the homes. Any doctor that either proscribes hormone crap or does surgery on a minor should be stripped of his/her medical license and jailed for child mutilation.
It's really very simple, if you have a Y you're a guy and you can't play with the girls. Sports are separated by sex not gender. There's no such thing as a transsexual. You can't change your sex. No one thinks transracial is a real thing.
Kavanaugh is correct that controversial issues make for very bad law. More importantly, government should ALWAYS default on the side of non-intervention whenever there is no clear and present danger to the public that requires a criminal law to protect everyone. There is no threat to the general public from girls and boys all playing on the same team or on teams playing against each other. Nothing could be less important than whether atheltic competitions are fair or not. Yet almost every public school district in US history seems to have insisted on sponsoring official sports competitions having nothing whatever to do with education. Fairness should NEVER be the excuse to declare something to be officially required or officially forbidden. If the Supreme Court were actually doing its intended job, it would have struck down all sports laws (and all tax funded public education, for that matter) long ago.
There is a demonstrated physical threat to the girls. There is just the issue of males b we ing included in women's sports renders the entire purpose of segregating women's sports into its own division of competition pointless. There is absolutely no reason to have women's divisions based on subjective gender identity.
Pay no attention to the crumpled bodies of girls strewn on the basketball court as "Shaquilla" hammer-dunks the ball.
Okay Ms Participation awards for everyone... Hey you won something, good for you that should help your self esteem.
Stop right there! Wait! What!?
In all fairness, is/was Pepper-Jackson intersex? (Somehow, I am skeptical or it would have been mentioned...)
If not... "[T]ransitioned in third grade"!? So, he was 8 or 9. Children that age don't know what he fuck they want! Stop this fucking insanity!
Tell me, would you approve of Pepper-Jackson fucking at age 8 or 9? Could he have consented to stick his prepubescent penis in another person's orafices? No? Then how the fuck can he consent to self-sterilization?
The trans activists dogma proceeds from Foucault. The answer to your question of a legal age of consent is in all likelihood "yes".
Got that right. This is just another step in the minor attracted persons stairway to legalizing pedophilia. If a 12 yr old is mature enough to get surgery to change sexes then they obviously can consent to sex, can't they? If they can decide to get sex change operations then they can make the decision to buy cigarettes, guns and booze, right? Why not?
If an adult "transitions" they are mentally ill.
If a minor, especially a prepubescent minor, transitions then their parent(s), usually their mother, is mentally ill.
An adult can decide, too each their own. Children, should be illegal?
In all fairness, is/was Pepper-Jackson intersex? (Somehow, I am skeptical or it would have been mentioned...)
It's SSDD, with "The Cinderella Effect" where, for decades, it was repeatedly demonstrated that the single greatest threat to a child was a non-biological parent or roommate. Until homosexuals started birthing and adopting kids and then, suddenly, nobody mentioned the effect because it might call into question the fitness of non-biological parents.
Traditionally, actual intersex individuals were operated on between 6 mos. and 2 yrs. This allowed for better biological, psychological, and social adaptation. Then, suddenly, in the last 10 yrs. all the complications associated with the surgery, which persist even when performed later in life, were a liability for performing it before the child could consent and the "legitimately transitioned" individuals, when lumped in with people who decided they want to pee standing up or sitting down in their teens and twenties, showed no favorable outcomes. And, of course, as you indicate, the criteria for "wait until they're old enough to consent" were fudged along the way.
As implied, the issue wasn't whether the kids consented, the issue was whether the parents consented and/or chose to foist their ideology on their children and everyone around them. As horrible as making the choice between boy or girl shortly after birth sounds, the idea of waiting until an actual intersex individual reaches or nears the age of consent and then just expecting them to figure it out is monstrous.
Imagine, by choice, making a kid with a cleft palate wait until they were 16-18 before making the decision to correct their malady. And anybody making the counterargument, "Yeah, but a cleft palate is outwardly visible." should be told, "No shit." before hitting them with a hammer.
I don't disagree. That is why I allowed for "In all fairness." If the kid is intersex, then everything I wrote following that is moot. If the child is not intersex, then I stand by my contention.
Not disagreeing either, but if everything after "In all fairness, if..." is moot, you're entire post is moot is arguably moot. The "In all fairness, if..." cedes ground that has been conceptually solid for decades and is rock solid one step to the left or right, until retards started trying to play "The floor is lava." with medicine, society, and the law. Biology isn't fair, all fairness, no fairness... if you like your fairness, you can keep your fairness.
The parents wanted the thrill of telling everyone what their (d)ifferent child is and how they helped.
Sadly being a child wasn't enough.
So long as it pertains to govt schools that get federal funding and the federal Title IX legislation, the ruling should apply to all states
In West Virginia, for example, athletic eligibility is determined by whatever sex was on the person's birth certificate. That's simple in most cases, but what about cases where a birth certificate is lost and can't be verified, or where the government is at fault for putting the wrong information down?
Tell me you failed science without telling me. There's an easy test for this.
This is the social leftist argumentative tactic of pretending to not understand what things mean. It is not stupidity or even ignorance. It is dishonesty.
Medical physicals are required for school sports in WV. That does include examination of genitals. The argument is ignorant and silly. We know the person's sex. The activists want their subjective reality to supercede objective reality.
Really don't see Kavanaugh's issue here. The court has only to rule if the defendant states have violated the 14th and title 9. That doesn't force California to do anything. The ruling need not find a new constitutional right that requires California to exclude boys from girls sports. The author prefers that these issues be litigated at the local level rather than let state legislatures make the decision. Sounds like a lawyer's dream to me. In any case with very few exceptions humans are either XX or XY. No amount of surgery or chemical castration will ever change that. And frankly "transitioning" an 11 year old child is straight up Mengele shit that deserves a prison term for the adults who were involved. A spot on the track team shouldn't even be a topic of conversation.
There is no fair solution. The least unfair is to have a separate category or events if possible. Letting MtF compete with girls is unfair on a large number of girls. Stopping them is unfair on the MtFs, but they are far fewer in number. Compelling them when they're transitioning to compete against boys is also unfair.
Thinking that there has to be a fair solution is part of the problem.
Which is is why it is ridiculous to assert the constitution compels the law to mandate a male's inclusion in women's/girl's sports.
Just make sports teams and leagues that explicitly discriminate based on gender illegal. It's clearly discrimination based on sex. Anyone can try out for the team, and may the best person win.
Then you do not have females in competitive sports leagues, which would be considered discrimination based on sex.
Not at all. There's no explicit discrimination. If a girl can play point guard like John Stockton, someone will sign her. If not, well, train harder ladies.
That "If" is doing a lot work there that it cannot in reality, much like a woman cannot play like John Stockton in reality.
The least unfair solution is not to validate mentally ill people’s delusions.
No no. We misr change society to cater to the mentally ill. That is the first law of liberaltarians.
Brett Kavanaugh Is Rightly Skeptical of a Nationwide Ruling on Trans Athletes
Alternate headline:
SCOTUS Nominee Suspected of Sexual Assault in 2018 Is Rightly Skeptical of Enforcing Title IX
Put on the wig, you're a goddamned clown, Liz.
Charge Becky's parents for child abuse.
"In 2021, West Virginia enacted a law banning transgender girls from playing on girls' and women's sports teams, from middle school through college, from the top levels of athletics down through intramural sports. But Pepper-Jackson didn't just wake up one morning and decide to identify as a girl so that she could be on the middle school cross country team—she transitioned in third grade, never went through male puberty, and has been undergoing hormone therapy. "
Which means that Pepper-Jackson is not a female. Hormone therapy cannot make a male functionally a female. The child has no place on a girl's only team.
There is nothing "complicated" here, aside from an irrational ideology that holds that one's identity cannot constrained by anything, including the laws of nature.
"Letting her and other transgender athletes participate in varsity sports at the high school and collegiate level—where there are scholarships and name, image, and likeness money on the line—is a whole different question, and one that is better handled on by sporting administrators close to the situation than politicians who think everything is simpler than it really is."
The plaintiff is asserting that there is a constitutional right for a male to play on a female only team. If that is established, then there is no way to limit that to grade school, and Russell should know that.
He's a chemically crippled male. He probably is also going to face lifelong problems due to them blocking natural development. Puberty blockers don't only effect the development of secondary sex characteristics.
The ACLU's argument is that hormone treatment eliminates all advantages of being physiologically male and that calling a M to F transitioner a "girl" makes them a a girl.
It hinges at not looking to closely at their premises and makes clear why they do not want to offer a clear definition of "man" and "woman".
MORE blessings from you Commie-Education Camps.
[WE] are all in this together so [WE] all "warmly" get to argue endlessly which pant-size will fit every child in Commie-Camps for kids. What a waste of time over something so pointless.
The opening statement "BPJ"'s lawyer with Justice Thomas's initial question. The argument hinges on the lawyer's unsupported assertion that his client is a girl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZvtSYelh1c
"BPJ" has a penis and testicles, and the lawyer states there is no difference between "BPJ" and other girls. This is peak sophistry. "BPJ" is not a girl.
Riley Gaines on the transgenders in sports cases:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_QpufqoQo
"...I'm pissed off that we've reached a point where we seemingly have an entire political party who has diminished and erased our rights as women. That's exactly what this is. Don't let them frame it any other way. They love to hide behind words like compassion and empathy and inclusion. Let me be very very clear what me and what my teammates face it was not inclusive. It was exclusive because we as women were excluded from participating from competing from calling ourselves champions because we were sent the message and and there's lots of fingers to point. I mentioned the Democratic party. You could point a finger at many different institutions, the NCAA being one of them. We were told loud and clear that our rights to safety, our rights to privacy in areas of undressing, our rights to equal opportunity, they didn't matter. They certainly didn't matter as much as the boy's feelings, the man's feelings, his happiness. We were told that mattered more than our rights."
Not surprised Reeeeason would come out for men punching women in the face as sport.
“she transitioned in third grade, never went through male puberty”
What the actual fuck?
Also, KBJ should have recused herself since she openly admitted during confirmation that she couldn’t define “woman”.
"All that can be triggered by anyone who raises a dispute—even by someone who just wants to abuse the process and subject a rival to embarrassment and invasive medical testing."
pretending to be a female to face lessor competition in sport is not abusing the process?
The Obama Title IX Dear Colleague letter vs Alito's questioning...
Obama Letter:
The Departments interpret Title IX to require that when a student or the student’s parent or guardian, as appropriate, notifies the school administration that the student will assert a gender identity that differs from previous representations or records, the school will begin treating the student consistent with the student’s gender identity. Under Title IX, there is no medical diagnosis or treatment
requirement that students must meet as a prerequisite to being treated consistent with their gender identity.
ALITO: Let's say a school has a boy and girl track team. A male student with no puberty blockers or female hormones, or surgeries, says, 'I AM A WOMAN. That's who I am.' Can the school say, 'No, you can't participate?'
ATTORNEY: Yes...
ALITO: Is that person not a WOMAN in your understanding?! They SAY they're a woman. Are they not a woman, then?
ATTORNEY: Well, I'd respect their pronouns...
https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/850986/dl
Gotta love the Bee:
Five-Year-Old Brought In To Explain Difference Between Boys And Girls To Supreme Court
https://babylonbee.com/news/five-year-old-brought-in-to-explain-difference-between-boys-and-girls-to-supreme-court
"Boys have wee-wees and girls have vee-vees," said Hunter Plath, a five-year-old boy from Iowa.
According to court records, the explanation elicited various responses from the justices. Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson were seemingly astonished, saying, "Ohhhhhhhh!" Associate Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh only giggled.
Justice Clarence Thomas reportedly rolled his eyes as the two most liberal justices of the court followed up with questions on precisely what a "wee-wee" was, but were rebuffed by the child who simply answered, "I'm not allowed to say. My mom won't let me."
In 2021, West Virginia enacted a law banning transgender girls from playing on girls' and women's sports teams, from middle school through college, from the top levels of athletics down through intramural sports. But Pepper-Jackson didn't just wake up one morning and decide to identify as a girl so that she could be on the middle school cross country team—she transitioned in third grade, never went through male puberty, and has been undergoing hormone therapy. Her lawyers argue that means she wouldn't have an unfair athletic advantage against other girls—the science on that front is mixed.
Is Russel literally arguing that if you go through a medical transition early enough, that you're a good-enough girl now? Is that what he's arguing? Is he actually arguing that for purposes of discussion, the world is in fact flat?
Perhaps a better standard would be one based on harm. Allowing an 11-year-old Becky Pepper-Jackson to be on her middle school cross country team doesn't really harm anyone.
Hey man, who cares if the government schools decide the world is flat and teaches that to kids, who like, cares and it doesn't really harm anyone...
cross country team—she transitioned in third grade, never went through male puberty,
I guess this is Reason's way of at least acknowledging that biology is real, but can be overcome with drastic sterilization procedures if we catch the children young enough.
You know, I never really looked at hip-swiveling, do-what-you-like-man, compass-spinning-in-a-circle libertarianism to be cool with the likes of Dr. Mengele, but I guess this is what it's come to.
I like some of the ideas at the end. Save the restrictions for varsity sports and for contact sports. And keep the feds out of it.
But recall that the original legal and legislative action was about group locker rooms and bathrooms.
Today's progressives are jealous of the progress made in past.
Today equality that essentially did not exist 75 years ago happened without them so they are trying to turn it backwards so they can claim they fixed it and it was them that made the progress.
It's a similar tactic to how they keep creating crisis to then try to fix it and claim success.
Sadly for America and the world really, America keeps making one step forward with republican leadership and two steps back with democrat's failed attempts at leadership.
When Becky finishes growing up and is in the early twenties and regrets the decision made by the parents to transition him into an it because it is now sterile and without, what will the amount of the lawsuit be?
Unspoken note on Title IX vs. sexual orientation vs. trans-retardation:
Sex under the originalist interpretation of Title IX represents ~50% of the population 100% of the time. There's an arguable interest in compelling service to 50% of the population (arguable as, if the ~50% doesn't want it or can't use it, there's no reason to compel it).
Sexual orientation, represents ~5% of the population, around 33% of the time or less (nobody sleeps, in the unconscious sense, gay, nobody gay delivers the gay mail or gay bags the gay groceries, even if they spend the other ~8 waking hours engaged in nothing but gay sex. It's a behavioral attribute, not a fixed biological trait or mechanism, you don't choose to be gay or straight, or not, the way you choose to blink your eyes or circulate blood, or not). The government interest is considerably diminished, the cost of compelling interest goes up, and the arguments against desire or use still apply.
Gender identity, even specifically filtered through Gorsuch's Bostock retardation from the other two, specifically accounts for less of the population than even just homosexuals and critically diminishes the numbers above.
Dividing a whole pie and protecting half may protect the pie, but it doesn't protect the whole pie. Dividing the pie infinitesimally doesn't achieve greater protection, it destroys the pie. It doesn't matter how intelligently Gorsuch elucidates his reasoning or how genuinely skeptical Kavanaugh is of a nationwide ruling any more than it matters how intelligently Gorsuch elucidates the proof that 1 = 0 or Kavanaugh is skeptical of a nationwide ruling that 1 = 1.
But, once again, this all started with Reason playing the "This is just about bathrooms and conservatives panicking." retard card. *Reality* *is* *conservative*, 1 = 1, your abject denial of it out of hand is what retards you.