How Marjorie Taylor Greene Went From QAnon Acolyte to MAGA Exile
You don't need a detailed theory to explain the departing congresswoman's journey.
Pundits have offered elaborate explanations for the evolving views of Marjorie Taylor Greene, the Georgia Republican whose resignation from Congress takes effect today, but I don't think you need a detailed theory to explain this woman's journey from QAnon acolyte to MAGA exile. You just need to recognize one central fact about her: She actually believes things. Some of the things she's believed are absurd, but that's secondary. She has beliefs, and she's willing—not always, but more often than the average D.C. pol—to put those beliefs ahead of other considerations.
You could already catch a hint of this during Greene's original 2020 congressional campaign. Back then, she attracted national attention for her past interest in QAnon, a tapestry of conspiracy theories in which President Donald Trump was supposedly secretly working with special counsel Robert Mueller to defeat a cabal of elite satanic pedophiles who consume children's blood. In those days, articles about Greene frequently linked her to another Q-friendly figure, the Colorado congressional candidate Lauren Boebert, who entered the House at the same time as Greene and eventually had a contentious falling out with her. (Greene was booted from the Freedom Caucus after she reportedly called Boebert a "little bitch.") But even in 2020, anyone paying close attention could have seen an important difference between the two candidates. Greene had actually embraced the Q worldview (though she insisted that she had come to reject it). Boebert, asked about QAnon on the conspiracist show Steel Truth, had replied by saying she "hope[d] that this is real"—a statement delicately phrased to appeal to the Q-ish voting bloc without committing her to its worldview. Boebert was playing a cynical political game. Greene, for better or for worse, was a believer.
Not just a believer: a particular kind of believer. Most Americans don't spend their lives soaking up the dogmas of the two big parties' competing fan bases. To the extent that they pay attention to politics, they often adopt their views piecemeal, mixing opinions from the left and the right and, sometimes, from strange folks on the fringes. So you might be, say, an affluent woman in an Atlanta suburb, founder of a CrossFit gym, who rarely reads the op-ed pages of The New York Times or The Wall Street Journal but scrolls frequently through Facebook, absorbing rumors that the typical Times or Journal reader might regard as nuts. That was Greene, part normie and part weird—weird, in fact, because she was so normal.
The most infamous idea Greene expressed in her pre-congressional days came in 2018, when she wrote a Facebook post blaming that year's California wildfires on space lasers controlled by the Rothschild banking family. The Rothschilds play a starring role in many antisemitic conspiracy theories, so when Greene's post resurfaced in 2021, many people concluded the congresswoman was not merely loopy but an antisemite. Greene responded that she simply hadn't known that the Rothschilds are Jewish. Maybe she really didn't know, or maybe that was a lie. But if any congressperson could plausibly claim such naivete, it would be Greene. This wasn't the Rothschild tale of someone who grew up surrounded by anti-Jewish folklore; it was the Rothschild tale of someone surrounded by folklore that had fallen out of its original context and floated like driftwood in a digital sea.
Sometimes someone with that sort of background comes to Washington, gets acclimated, and drops those early influences like a striver carefully eliminating every trace of his hometown's accent. But Greene didn't. She kept believing things, and that led to trouble with her party.
Even during Donald Trump's first stint in the White House, you could see a simmering tension between two types of MAGA—the kind that was basically just pro-Trump, and a wilder, woolier bundle of Trump-era currents on the populist right. (One way to tell the difference: Check whether someone's skepticism about the national security state disappears when the three-letter agencies pursue people not named Trump.) Greene was, along with Florida's Matt Gaetz, the most notable Republican from the second group to have made it to Congress. Their views did not always track with the party line, particularly when it came to foreign policy. Greene once joined Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a self-described socialist from Michigan, in signing a letter asking the government to drop the prosecution of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, and she did it the very same week she joined a Republican push to censure Tlaib for some comments about Israel.
Despite those differences, the two MAGAs were largely united on the question of whether to support Donald Trump. But there was not, in principle, any reason why backbenchers making trouble for Republican congressional leaders wouldn't someday start making trouble for a Republican president too, especially as Trump grew less popular. And in 2025, Greene—until then one of Trump's most loyal soldiers—started directly criticizing the White House. Trump insisted that this was because he refused to get behind Greene's ambition to leap from the House to the Senate, and I wouldn't be surprised if that played a role in their split. But there was also that not-so-small matter of her beliefs. Both Greene and Trump had talked about being antiwar, for example, but she actually believed what she was saying, and so she was put off when she realized Trump was governing as a hawk. (This past weekend she denounced Trump's Venezuela raid, calling it "what many in MAGA thought they voted to end.") There were differences on economic policy too. And above all, there was the question of the Epstein files.
Remember: Greene used to believe that Trump was waging a secret war against elite pedophiles. Jeffrey Epstein, the moneyman who died while awaiting trial on charges of sex-trafficking minors, is widely seen—not merely by Q types but by mainstream reporters and politicians—as the man at the center of a ruling-class pedophile ring. So when Trump proved reluctant to release the full files on the Epstein case, Greene regarded it as a betrayal. "Epstein was everything," she told The New York Times.
After that, things went south quickly. Trump called his critic "Marjorie 'Traitor' Greene." Greene started bringing her criticisms of the president to such nonconservative spots as 60 Minutes, Real Time, and that hotbed of liberal feminism, The View. That last stop surprised some people, but many of Greene's criticisms of Republican leaders have had a somewhat feminist hue. She's a businesswoman born the year Free To Be…You and Me was released; she didn't experience the pre-feminist era and has never shown any signs of wanting to restore it.
The conflict came to a head in November, when Greene announced her pending retirement from Congress in a statement full of anger at the highest echelons of the corporate state. "There is no 'plan to save the world' or insane 4D chess game being played," she declared—a direct repudiation of the QAnon faith, which had instructed believers to trust Trump's hidden plan.
Needless to say, the mere fact of having beliefs does not mean those beliefs are always good. Greene took several positions I liked. (I am always glad when Washington's tiny antiwar faction gets more support.) Often she took positions I disliked. (She introduced, and the House recently passed, an anti-trans bill so extreme that it would criminalize—criminalize!—the provision of puberty blockers to transgender minors.) I doubt that many people, even among her most fervent fans, agreed with everything Greene said or did. She had the patchwork belief system of someone who thinks for herself. And if she didn't always think those beliefs through as thoroughly as she should've, well, that just magnified the effect.
Greene claims she doesn't have further political plans. And perhaps she doesn't, at least for now. But she hasn't stopped posting commentary—lately she's been issuing libertarian-flavored calls for a tax strike—and she'll surely seek ways to stay in the public eye. Maybe she'll be running a podcast, or maybe she'll be running for president. She doesn't just have beliefs. She likes to give them a platform, and I doubt she'll settle for heading back to Facebook.
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Mtg is an opportunist. She will change conviction mid sentence if she thinks she will benifit from it.
That makes it surprising she didn't go further in politics. It's truly a shame.
she was really bad at it.
She left with a net worth of $25M+ and came in worth less than $1M 5 years ago. Imagine what 40 years of compounding would like like had she stayed?
seriously. still worth the $25 mil for her to go away mad and just go away
I think that comes from her family's construction business.
“a cabal of elite satanic pedophiles”
Yeah what a crazy conspiracy theory.
"Leave me out of this!"—Satan
Can’t have chicks in office.
The Rothschilds are Jewish?
Good one!
That's just what the Kochtopus wants you to think.
Not Epstein's pal Lady de Rothschild. She's a shiksa who married into the banking dynasty.
"(She introduced, and the House recently passed, an anti-trans bill so extreme that it would criminalize—criminalize!—the provision of puberty blockers to transgender minors.)"
Get out the smelling salts, I think Walker is about to swoon.
Prescribing a harmful treatment to someone unable to give meaningful consent is something that is worthy of criminal penalty.
Yeah, I wasn’t a fan, but now I’m starting to like her.
Even absolute dolts can make the right call on occasion.
Not sure why it is shocking that pursuing treatments on minors with no medical benefits but tons of downside, but that is Reason for you.
There are no credibly documented downsides to puberty blockers, just an unholy confluence of self-righteous morality, confirmation bias, and fringe studies.
Puberty blockers are temporary. Once they clear the system, they have zero effect. Claiming otherwise is RFK-level pseudoscientific nonsense.
Next you’ll be claiming that puberty blockers cause autism.
That is absolute bullshit.
Repeating such monstrous lies helps destroy lives. But that’s what you’re all about.
You could say the same of foot binding. The damage is done for as long as the treatment is applied, and in the case of a growing person the development lost is not regained.
I've mostly liked MTG but she lost me with her demands for extended Obamacare subsidies and her obsession with the Epstein files, a big nothing burger. I don't mind contrarian voices but not everything is worth burning bridges for.
But she has earned strange new respect here.
Hitler could oppose Trump and he'd get a positive writeup. But god forbid he oppose the forced sterilization of children...
The President of the US being a child molester is a "nothing burger"? There is no lower level of depravity MAGAs will reject.
The President of the US being a child molester is a "nothing burger"?
Cite missing, TDS-addled 混蛋
Do you have anything to bolster your claim, Tony?
Seems the Dems are, as expected, neck deep in Epstein.
Yes, Biden raped his daughter repeatedly in the shower as a preteen. I don’t recall you wanting to do anything about it.
Bill Clinton and Joe Biden aren’t president anymore, Doc.
I was about to skip the Jesus-meth redneck-with-greene-teeth article, but if it were trivial, Jesse wouldn't bother. Then it occurred to me: the same wretches that voted her in struggled to elect Chase Oliver at 10 cents a vote (about 1/200th the going rate), then settled for defeating the illiterate helmeted Trumpanzee. Imagine having to live in a place like that...
Marjorie reminds one of the October, 1933 Ladies' Home Journal article "Homemaking Under Hitler." --"The Hitler movement is a stampede. It is something beyond reason, like a pulse beating, like a rush of blood to the head, like the sap rising from the twisted roots of a family tree"--which about sums up the Greene-teeth rush. After a while, they start to fall out, along with hair, cognition and fellow Nationalsocialists. The folks who voted God's Own Prohibitionists made damn sure nobody competes with meth, fentanyl, gin, snuff or cigarettes.
October, 1933 Ladies' Home Journal article
Huh-huh-huh...OLD
Is he punking us?
Still like to see what kind of noises I could get her to make...
https://preview.redd.it/marjorie-taylor-greene-appreciation-thread-v0-7a9gije9sgd91.jpg?width=1322&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9af597fcc8b0a112189f6b286b8231ea52323a43
Yeah, but would she give you a hand-job in a cinema? 🙂
a tapestry of conspiracy theories in which President Donald Trump was supposedly secretly working with special counsel Robert Mueller to defeat a cabal of elite satanic pedophiles who consume children's blood.
I thought qanon had something to do with JFK still secretly being alive. Shows what I know...
How Marjorie Taylor Greene Went From Someone I Knew Nothing About to Someone Only TDS-Addled Shits Care About.
^^
Reason is excited about her now that she’s gone the Liz Cheney route.
(She introduced, and the House recently passed, an anti-trans bill so extreme that it would criminalize—criminalize!—the provision of puberty blockers to transgender minors.)
Um, there is no such thing as a 'transgender minor'. The earth is not flat, the moon landings were not fake, Reason writers. The term 'transgender' describes an invented identity category that (at our current level of technology) cannot be made a reality. And Q-Anon is the most crazy-pants conspiracy theory.
And what's wrong with criminalizing the forced sterilization of healthy minors, Dr. Mengele?
Jesse Walker: Their children are transgender, they need puberty blockers?
Reality: What do the puberty blockers do? Do they bring about the state of transgender into being or do they maintain a state of transgenderness?
Puberty blockers do nothing to treat or cure gender dysphoria.
>>the evolving views of Marjorie Taylor Greene
once a lunatic, always a lunatic ... but for a brief time, useful.
I can't help wonder if the story of Marjorie Taylor Greene is the search for relevancy in a post Trump MAGA world?
Crazy and a sell out never amounting to anything than a big mouth full of conspiracy bunk. Buh bye.
The cult of president Trump demands total surrender. You can't have original thoughts if you wish to be part of the cult and benefit from it. MTG is low IQ opportunist. She misjudged her own influence. She wanted to be Thomas Massie without the necessary intellect.
Yet, she is the person from cult who called the emperor na ked.
What is the color of the sky in your world?
It was probably her John McCain like assertion that something needed to replace the dogshit of Obamacare and that the increased income level for the subsidies needed to be extended.
But sure, let’s go with “hurr durr everyone’s a Trump cultist”.
Walz +11
Such a believer that she dumped Qanon as soon as it was no longer useful to her.
MTG dumped Qanon before running for office in 2020.
I didn’t even know that she dated him.
Did she just date him because he had a nice car?
Damn, Jesse, I love your cultural stuff but take a look at a map. MTG's district doesn't even fall inside the Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Axis.
I think a lot of what MTG believes is crazy, but I have to give her credit for caring more about her principles and the MAGA movement than she does about Trump. When Trump (as he so often does) betrayed the things he said his movement stood for for personal gain, she called him out on it. So many other MAGAs immediately fell in line and announced that whatever Trump felt like doing had been what MAGA stood for all along ("We have always been at war with EastAsia"). Greene was willing to call a movement leader to task for failing to live up to the movements principles.
Nope. She allowed herself to become a DNC Marxist propaganda tool when she started doing endless interviews for DNC media to track Trump. That isn’t principled.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a believer in ideas above personalities. Donald Trump does not believe in ideas, but does believe in himself.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is more honest and authentic than Donald Trump.
Marjorie Taylor Greene believed in Donald Trump because of what Donald Trump was saying. When Donald Trump stopped saying what Marjorie Taylor Greene believes, and Donald Trump started doing things counter to what Marjorie Taylor Greene believes, then she stopped believing in Donald Trump.
Actually quite simple and easy to understand. Marjorie Taylor Greene was branded as a cult follower, but in reality she actually believes in ideas. When Donald Trump does a "Bait and Switch" and opposes what he once promoted, then people who are not cult followers will stick with there ideals and part ways with the personality.
It's called integrity even if you disagree with Marjorie Taylor Greene's beliefs. It's refreshing to see a politician stand by their beliefs instead of being "bought and payed for" lake the vast majority of our corrupt politicians.
Oh bullshit. She allowed herself to become a DNC Marxist propaganda tool when she started doing endless interviews for DNC media to track Trump. That isn’t principled.
You just like her now because she’s a useful idiot.
Are we rehabilitating her?
I never knew what to make of the beliefs of Kathy Greene, late wife of Ralph Fucetola (whom you might've seen mention of in It Usually Begins with Ayn Rand and the non-fiction forenote of Alongside Night. Kathy had the good sense to save Ralph's nuts from the fire a few times, but she also espoused beliefs in Ramtha and Q and the like, and I never knew whether she was trolling or sincere. She did seem to get a laugh out of normies' reactions, hence my thought that she might've been trolling. BTW, she said she had the real dope from Q rather than the phony story from QAnon.