Americans Are Increasingly Skeptical of Foreign Military Intervention
Nicolás Maduro’s removal should be welcomed by anyone who values liberty. Yet data show Americans—led by the youngest adults—are turning noninterventionist.
The stunning U.S. raid on Venezuela that removed President and socialist thug Nicolás Maduro from power to face trial in the U.S. raises questions: What's next for long-suffering but hopeful Venezuelans, what is the legal basis for snatching a country's head of state without congressional authorization, and where do Americans stand on the Trump administration's nation-building project? We'll have to wait and see on the first point, and the answer to the second is that there is no legal basis for unilateral presidential missions to depose foreign leaders. But while the public will need some time to digest these events, we know Americans—especially young ones—are increasingly dubious about foreign adventures.
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Young Americans Sour on World Engagement
"Younger adults are much less likely than their elders to value active U.S. engagement in world affairs," Pew Research reported two weeks ago. "39% of adults ages 18 to 29 and 44% of those 30 to 49 say it is extremely or very important that the U.S. play an active role in world affairs. By comparison, 59% of those 50 to 64 and 73% of those 65 and older say the same."
Normally this is the point to note wide partisan differences on the issue, with the overall numbers overshadowed by major disagreements between supporters of the two major parties. But there's only a 9 percent gap between the opinions of Democrats (59 percent favor an active role for the U.S.) and Republicans (50 percent want an active role). The age gap is much wider.
"Younger adults are far less likely than older adults to prioritize the U.S. maintaining military superiority over other countries," Pew notes. "For example, a quarter of adults under 30 view this as important. This rises to 52% among those 65 and older."
Generational disagreements over the proper role of the United States in the world are especially relevant when the U.S. parks a powerful fleet off the coast of Venezuela, bombs its military bases, and stages a movie-ready snatch-and-grab of the country's tyrannical leader as a step toward regime change. It's precisely the sort of operation about which younger Americans seem especially dubious.
But Americans in general are skeptical that the U.S. has a role to play in Venezuela. In December, Quinnipiac University pollsters asked Americans if they "support or oppose U.S. military attacks to kill suspected drug smugglers on boats in international waters?" Fifty-three percent opposed the idea, against 43 percent who supported it. Partisan disagreement was huge, with 83 percent of Republicans favoring strikes, while 89 percent of Democrats and 57 percent of independents are opposed.
The same poll asked about "U.S. military action inside Venezuela?" Sixty-three percent opposed action and only 25 percent supported the idea. Again, a majority of Republicans favored intervention, but only barely at 52 percent. Eighty-nine percent of Democrats and 68 percent of independents were opposed.
On a similar note, just before Christmas YouGov found that "using military force to overthrow Maduro or to invade Venezuela is unpopular, with only around one in five Americans and less than half of Republicans supporting each plan." Even among Republicans, only "44% of Republicans support forcibly overthrowing Maduro" (80 percent of Democrats and 52 percent of independents opposed the idea). Similar majorities of all age groups opposed using military force to overthrow Maduro, except for Americans 45–64, for whom opposition was 48 percent (but support was only 26 percent with the rest "not sure"). Opposition to invading Venezuela was highest among those over 65 at 68 percent, followed by 63 percent of those 18-29, 55 percent of Americans 30-44, and 58 percent of people 45-64.
Young Adults Lead Support for Seeking Congressional Approval
Importantly, most Americans across partisan boundaries say President Donald Trump should get congressional authorization before using military force. Broken down by age, the highest support for requiring congressional approval was among the youngest—those 18-29 (81 percent) followed by those 30-44 (75 percent). Sixty-nine percent of those 45-64 said Trump should seek congressional approval, as did 74 percent of people over 65.
That's awkward given that the administration acted on its own to remove Maduro from power. Sen. Mike Lee (R–Utah) likely represented both his party's base and the American public when he commented, "I look forward to learning what, if anything, might constitutionally justify this action in the absence of a declaration of war or authorization for the use of military force." Lee later seemed to accept Secretary of State Marco Rubio's claim that the action was justified as an arrest to execute an outstanding warrant against Maduro with accompanying force to protect law enforcers. That could be an unfortunate precedent the next time Chinese agents snatch a dissident from American streets.
Venezuela isn't an isolated case. YouGov pollsters separately found "support for increasing military aid to Ukraine has fallen since October: 29% of Americans now say they want aid to be increased, while 30% want aid to be stopped or decreased and 20% want it to stay the same." As usual, there's a significant partisan divide, but both Republicans and Democrats are growing more skeptical of continued military aid. Little difference was seen among age groups in terms of limiting or stopping aid to Ukraine.
Broad Fatigue With Military Intervention
Basically, Americans are tired of overseas interventions after decades of involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq. Polls consistently find fatigue with America's extended wars in those countries and dissatisfaction with political leaders who got us involved. In fact, Trump originally attracted support, in part, by promising to end the country's involvement in "forever wars." While he has yet to commit the U.S. to an extended intervention, he has become increasingly comfortable with using military force without seeking constitutionally mandated permission from Congress and in ways that could spark larger wars.
"The Constitution's allocation of power over foreign affairs was designed precisely to prevent unilateral executive decisions like the one we saw play out last night in a series of aerial attacks and explosions from entangling the nation in unwise and avoidable conflict," the Cato Institute's Clark Neily warned after the strike on Venezuela.
Raised in the shadow of Afghanistan and Iraq, younger Americans take such warnings to heart. Even more than their elders, who are themselves largely opposed to foreign adventures, they're skeptical of an active role for the U.S. on the world stage. They also overwhelmingly want presidents to consult with Congress and seek approval before using the military.
Maduro's removal should be welcomed by anybody who values liberty. He was a thug who, along with his predecessor, Hugo Chavez, and their allies abused his people, violated their rights, and impoverished his country. Venezuela and its people deserve a fresh start.
But, led by the youngest adults, Americans are turning noninterventionist and want less military adventurism around the world. They certainly don't want conflicts initiated by presidents acting alone.
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"Younger adults are far less likely than older adults to prioritize the U.S. maintaining military superiority over other countries,"
Younger adults lost that power to do anything when we went to a volunteer army rather than conscription.
Note to foreign readers: He means "when sudden growth of the anticonscription Libertarian Party made it impossible to enslave yoots as cannon fodder and still win elections, so the looters backed away from it."
Like it or not - conscription is what ended US involvement in Vietnam. That IS power. But it is power that was squandered away by the young - in favor of those who've always wanted permawar with someone else's kid as meat.
The analogy is the difference between a nightwatchman state and a police state. When you have a nightwatchman state, it certainly requires people to contribute their time to do rounds. But those who do the work are the ones who decide which neighborhoods get protected. With a police state, those who provide the taxes decide to protect their neighborhoods and no others (fiscal responsibility you know) and those who get paid are employees - and no one is a citizen (in Aristotle's sense - citizen = those who have a right/duty to participate - that's not voting in meaningless elections - in the control of the polis).
Nobody reads your ‘notes’ Hank.
But Americans in general are skeptical that the U.S. has a role to play in Venezuela.
Aah. Well maybe Americans should send a sternly worded letter to the US.
Sixty-three percent opposed action and only 25 percent supported the idea.
Perhaps a sternly worded poll will work.
How about a sternly worded election subsidy law that forces libertarians to buy votes for force-initiating looter candidates?
https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/nixons-anti-libertarian-law/
LP's problem is that they fell for 'voting' as the measure of citizenship. 'Consent of the governed' was originally a church doctrine. Meaning - you remain governed. You are not involved beyond giving your consent to what others decide (and in fact what others manufacture for you to consent to).
The Constitution's allocation of power over foreign affairs was designed precisely to prevent unilateral executive decisions like the one we saw play out last night in a series of aerial attacks and explosions from entangling the nation in unwise and avoidable conflict
Well it failed didn't it. For the umpteenth time since forever. Whatcha going to do about it.
Lysander Spooner put that same question to Cleveland and Sumner.
If it was put to a vote, I would have voted against this action. I think it was incredibly unwise and we have a horrible track record of managing these regime changes.
However, I cannot stand the people actively supporting Maduro like he was anything but exactly what the left accuses Trump of being.
So once again, I'm forced to defend Trump due to the sheer mendacity of his opposition.
“So once again, I'm forced to defend Trump due to the sheer mendacity of his opposition.”
True that; well put
Maduro was so great he has a diet named after him. You too can lose weight under a socialist dictator.
Yeah! Its not like there were a political party with 4 million votes covering the gap in 13 states and opposed to the initiation of deadly force. Trump's Jesus Caucus infiltrators saw to THAT!
So once again, I'm forced to defend Trump due to the sheer mendacity of his opposition.
To the point that I almost wonder if Teddy Roosevelt was just a normal guy and everyone else around him was similarly spineless and mendaciously retarded.
Who knows. But don't you have a visceral reaction to being lied to your face?
Don't you get upset when someone is spouting absolute nonsense?
Where people pretend that Biden didn't put bounties on Maduro's head. Claiming we overthrew a country despite everyone rejecting his authority?
Where Biden accused Trump of supporting Maduro and being evil because of it, but as soon as Trump moves against Maduro, the man was a saint and Trump is evil because of it?
The double-think whiplash is headache-inducing.
I find it more rage inducing.
Odd that the claim of no legal authority links to a Cato article that points out that in the Noriega case these issues were thoroughly adjudicated in the federal courts and the administration won. All without congressional approval.
Don't you bring your icky facts to a narrative party.
Americans—led by the youngest adults
What sort of idiots are following the youngest adults?
That is precisely why we used to have a militia - and why we got rid of it. Now we can have a gerontocracy with mercenaries and the yoots can play with their phone.
So, bring back the draft?
The draft is not the same thing as a militia. But yeah - the choice is a totally corrupted gerontocracy that pays for permawar via mercenaries and debt imposed on the yoots - or the yoots decide the terms of their service/servitude.
Note to lectores entranjeros: By "yoots" he means Nixon's tax-funded "subsidies for looter kleptocracy candidates" law of 1971. This was copied by Brazil in 1988, and by most Youropeens. "The taxpayers are already buying votes for thirty communo-fascist caudillos; they can't AFFORD to subsidize a libertarian candidate in addition to all that!"
Venezuelans living outside Venezuela are apparently very happy about our recent “kinetic military action” in South America. There’s about 7 million of them world wide that fled since Chavez took power, about a million in the US. I called an old bud that just married into a family of recent Venezuelan immigrants (some with green cards, and some without), and asked what his wife and in laws thought about the weekend’s events. He said they’re very hopeful that things will improve for the people of Venezuela, that Chavez and Maduro were horrible. Also of interest, they said it had to be an inside job or there would’ve been more blood. Therefore, some of the old guard had to be in on it, and cut a deal with Uncle Sam to set up Maduro. Because of this, they believe a lot of the same shits are going to be in power for some time, and change will be slow. But there’s hope for the future now.
I think this move is going to be very popular with a lot of people who normally wouldn’t support DJT. A lot more than people like me who supported him but are now pissed about the recent neocon bent of his administration. Looks like OrangeHitler not only shitcanned a Marxist POS and opened Venezuela’s massive oil reserves to the US, but might also get a net gain in political capital. Fucking 5D chess, and it’s got to be driving team blue out of their minds.
And for good or bad, it looks like nation building is back on the menu, boys. 😡
It's too soon for certainty, but it's looking more and more like a half-baked idea, extremely poorly planned more of the usual Trump overconfident incompetence: Remove Maduro, leave his regime in power with no follow up plan other than more of the same with added bravado, and doublespeak to Americans.
So either we ramp up and continue the war, cross our fingers for a civil war that we can shadow fight ala Ukraine or pray we get lucky and for once nation building goes well for us.
I hear Trump is looking at Michael Heise to replace Maduro. Remember how he promised to appoint a "libbetarian" to high office if "we" would just backstab Chase Oliver to help the Gestapo's Own Party win? Now and then, committing treason and fraud to help a Kleptocracy faction pays off for someone-or-other. Just lookit Wormhead!
So either we ramp up and continue the war, cross our fingers for a civil war that we can shadow fight ala Ukraine or pray we get lucky and for once nation building goes well for us.
I don't think any of those matter. The goal was to bully the others - Denmark, Canada, Mexico, Panama. There's no increasing oil coming out of VZ for years even with some 'deal'. If it descends into civil war so what.
Whether the bullying of the above works, who knows but its clear from Trumps press conference that Trump is giddy that his bullying has worked, LGraham is sucking mushrooms, Rubio's America Second gusanos are busy making plans for more countries, etc
On the other side - China's reaction has been very interesting. It's possible they may shut off rare earths and other commodities and bring our military (and our economy) to a halt.
But from the stuff I've seen, they may have just pivoted to Trump's spheres of influence (in practice) while playing (and winning) the diplomacy and international law/peace card. Which means they expect quiet about Taiwan (they don't need to invade to control it). They expect Japan permanently pacifist with no rearming. And they expect South Korea to deal with NoKor on its own with no US. IOW - Guam is the edge of our sphere of influence.
A visual map of what multipolarity will look like if trade/economic ties are what drive it
The US influence will extend around the Caribbean. Germany will have Europe. Everything else will be China.
I don't think any of those matter. The goal was to bully the others
At least that makes sense.
“with no follow up plan”
Didn’t they elect a legitimate President that Maduro refused to leave office for (talk about an actual unpeaceful transfer of power), thus leading to the bounty on his head by the Pudding Pop handlers?
I would imagine the plan is to let him take his rightful position.
Didn’t they elect a legitimate President that Maduro refused to leave office for (talk about an actual unpeaceful transfer of power), thus leading to the bounty on his head by the Pudding Pop handlers?
Yes.
I would imagine the plan is to let him take his rightful position.
That's what I thought, and may still be, but right now the rhetoric is "just an arrest"...which is very different from the rhetoric Saturday. So wait and see, I guess?
TBF, my optimism is back, but yeah wait and see.
Good news!
"Fucking 5D chess, and it’s got to be driving team blue out of their minds."
That neocons are once again running the show? Reminder, Clinton, Kerry and Biden all supported the US invasion of Iraq.
They supported removing those they do not receive kickbacks from...
Some neocons are ideologically motivated. Others are driven by a lust for 24 carat gold knick-knacks.
Americans Are Increasingly Skeptical of Foreign Military Intervention
Well not the members of this comment board who assured us all that Dear Leader was going to be the Peace President. They’re all for it. JD needs to know his audience: He’s talking to libertarians who are opposed to military action 10 years after it happens. Just like Iraq, when everyone came around that the Iraq War was Hillary Clinton’s idea. JD, you need to Write this article in 2036, and make sure you do it in a way that implicates… let’s say… AOC. That’ll do the trick.
It was a fiery, but mostly peaceful operation.
The US already eenbaided Puerto Rico. AOC's grandma moved to Queens in reprisal. Remember that! Mandami's Democrats choor do.
Sure. Instead we should let the Chinese, the Iranians, and the Russians have a strong military presence just on the other side of the Gulf of America, along with the Chinese control of the Panama Canal. What could possibly go wrong there?
"What could possibly go wrong there?"
You're ignoring or unaware of the opening of the deep sea port of Chancay in Peru, north of the capital, Lima. It was built with Chinese investment of over a billion $US, and opened in Nov 2024. Lula of Brazil is now prioritizing a major highway infrastructure project to link Brazil with the new port.
Construction of the Tehuantecpec (the thin bit of Southern Mexico) Corridor has also been underway a few years now, also aimed at addressing the failures of the Panama Canal.
China doesn't seem to need a strong military presence in the Western Hemisphere. They have trade. If the US can only maintain dominance in the region by military force, with a reluctant populace footing the bill, that's a recipe for failure.
Seems you love the Chinese tactics.
How about the threats and ultimate usurping occurring in Australia through trade?
"Seems you love the Chinese tactics. "
Rather than going to war over the failing Panama Canal, they seek practical and mutually beneficial alternatives.
"How about the threats and ultimate usurping occurring in Australia"
What goes around comes around. The aboriginals were leashed like dogs, and when they came across water sources, the wells were dynamited or poisoned. Think of a down under version of the slaughter of bison.
From Antiwar.com
The Ugly Truth About Many Americans: They Love War… Within hours, social media feeds filled with profile pictures draped in the Stars and Stripes and statements like “FAFO.” The mission’s execution and talk of “restoring democracy” tapped a familiar chord in the American psyche. The reactions to this raid highlight an ugly truth about the United States: Americans love war. They do not like higher taxes, a debased currency, or flag‑draped coffins, but they love war. And our short memory ensures we will learn nothing from the disasters we have created.
A pattern of initial enthusiasm
After nearly every U.S. military intervention since World War II, public opinion has followed the same trajectory: overwhelming support when the bombs first fall, then waning approval once casualties mount and victory proves elusive. Just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Gallup polls found 59 percent of Americans favored sending troops to remove Saddam Hussein while 37 percent opposed it. Pew Research surveys that spring reported that 77 percent believed the United States made the right decision to use force. Support for President Bush’s handling of the war peaked at 71 percent in the days after the televised fall of Baghdad. A comparable rally occurred in January 1991: before Operation Desert Storm, 55 percent said they favored using force to expel Iraq from Kuwait; two weeks after the bombing began, 77 percent agreed the decision was right.
Yep… every time Americans fall for this bullshit regime propaganda.
Yes, you are the smart one, everyone else is stupid.
Maybe so, but the Twin Towers made G Waffen Bush grate again, remember?
If you’re going to do something audacious, just make damned sure you do it right
That way there’s nothing left but the kicking and screaming and the clutching of pearls
*Scratching head*
So like, if you extract a foreign tyrant, not leaving his regime in place?
So it wasn’t regime change after all? Just an arrest?
Apparently?
But there's still a lot we don't know...like what happens next.
sometimes I know what happens next because I dreamed the entire scene days/months/years before. it's pretty spooky when I can tell you what you're going to say.
Do you know where my earbuds are?
No good. You'd get J.D. Vance. Surely NOW it's easy to understand why Vance was a good veep pick for someone who can't set foot out of doors without a kevlar suit? Why did Nixon pick Agnew? Why did Jack pick Lyndon?
Pearls; meanwhile await the next “outrage”
Funny how none of the Venezuelans or Colombians, Mexican or Brazilians I know have any issue with removing Maduro at all. One of my soccer buddies, whose father was a state department guy for life, started up a silly conversation about how Venezuela's ports were really that big in drug traffic. The Venezuelan and Colombian shut him down fast and hard.
You can argue non-intervention right up until you can't discuss it after the Chinese agents turn over the country to the same totalitarian leftist idiots who fired everyone from government for a vaccine unnecessary for healthy, young people, and censored the internet with prejudice. Then, you don't get to talk about it anymore, just like people in Venezuelea don't get to talk about how bad Maduro is.
Somebody tell Tuccille it's a fact. The looter he voted for did indeed send goons with guns to invade Venezuela. It's not fake news, I've seen and read it on neighboring news channels outside the Kleptocracy. Happy now?
So... you're polly wondering "who's next," right? If it's for God, Gin and good old Old Gold cigarettes, here's a hint from the Colombian paper El Heraldo: "El presidente colombiano reaccionó a las declaraciones del mandatario estadounidense, quien lo acusó de “fabricar cocaína” y sugirió una posible intervención similar a la ejecutada en Venezuela." You read it on Reason first, remember that, and remember Panamá, Haiti, Cuba, Puerto Rico, El Salvador--and Mexico (when Britain was busy bombarding China).
*Young Adults Lead Support for Seeking Congressional Approval*
Too bad there aren't any young adults in Congress. It doesn't matter what the populace wants, it only matters that Congress has no interest in governance. Ever since Hillary lost the 2008 primary over her Iraq War vote, members of both houses have made damned sure not to leave a paper trail. I don't see anything short of the formation of a new major party or three that is going to reverse that trend.
" I don't see anything short of the formation of a new major party or three that is going to reverse that trend."
It was political parties what got us into this mess. I'm more and more sympathetic to Simone Weil, a badass political philosopher and activist. Her 1943 essay, Note on the General Suppression of Political Parties, a radical critique of political parties, arguing they hinder the pursuit of truth and justice and should be banned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Weil#
Only way to reduce their power is to choose critters in a different way than elections. Not going to ban factions. All you can do, as Adam Smith said about people in the same trade meeting to collude against the public, probably can't ban factions from meeting but shouldn't facilitate that or make it necessary.
A larger congress chosen by lot, as in our jury system. Bribery and influence peddling severely dealt with. Same goes with the Supreme Court, judges chosen by lot, from different walks of life. Abolish the Senate. Professional civil service to take care of day to day governance.
Don't even need professional civil service. Citizens executive boards similar to how we used to manage schools, fire depts, charities, hospitals, militia etc. They could easily structure short term contracts/projects where a particular skill set is needed - or use AI to automate. After a part time year or so, those executive boards rotate out so even that influence ceases to have any tail.
Young Adults Lead Support for Seeking Congressional Approval
Alternatively; the portion of the population with the most outstanding student loan debt insists they be taken seriously on policy decisions.
Kids these days! Better to trust the decisions of an octogenarian 4 time dead beat, child molester, and TV celebrity.
hey look everyone it's the guy who can live in glass houses.
Not just student loans, that's just age, but highest proportion of loans on useless or anti-value degrees.
>>It's precisely the sort of operation about which younger Americans seem especially dubious.
ya right up until it's explained to them in English not on reddit.
You have performed wrongthink and could be held accountable...
"The Constitution's allocation of power over foreign affairs was designed precisely to prevent unilateral executive decisions like the one we saw play out last night in a series of aerial attacks and explosions from entangling the nation in unwise and avoidable conflict,"
How 'foreign intervention' is it really when 20% of the entire Venezuelan population has ran-away already?
Maybe it's just a part of the illegal-invasion national defense agenda.
As many have said; why can't they just FIX their own F'Up instead of immigrating (running-away).
"why can't they just FIX their own F'Up instead of immigrating (running-away)."
I blame God. He gave Venezuelans two legs. They would have stayed put if they spent their lives hopping up and down on their one and only leg.
They would have stayed put if they (the voters) had realized a free and just system works instead of 'Gun' entitlements (i.e. THEFTS/Socialism) and its zero-sum resources game wasn't going to work.
Like it never does work ... because 'Guns' (even government-guns) doesn't make sh*t.
Instead of robbing the community bank and running-away like criminal minds do.
There is NO production in the 'conquer and consume' economy.
Demand-side ONLY economics is a dead-end game; every time.
The local "usual suspects" managed to turn out several hundred people on Sunday to rally against the Tyrant Trump. They organized so fast I didn't have a chance to show up and see what they were all about. The news reports said speakers ran the gamut from "illegal operation without Congressional approval," "against international law," "impeach and remove Trump," and "it's all about oil." Maybe it is "all about oil" but then the question should be asked if they'd rather have that oil controlled by China and Russia or by the U.S.? One might wonder too how the "usual suspects" would react if, say, Bermuda was ruled by a neo-Nazi white supremacist, who had seized power in a rigged election, and had substantial links to gangs roaming South Beach Miami, killing blacks and gays. And the U.S. president, fed up with the b.s., sent in a surgical military strike to arrest the alleged criminal. One might find principals matter more than principles. Wonder how those supporting the Obama/Clinton strike on Libya are viewing this latest unapproved military adventure?
"rather have that oil controlled by China and Russia or by the U.S.?"
The US doesn't control the oil. It is controlled by a handful of multinational (globalist) corporations like Exxon or Chevron.
"And the U.S. president, fed up with the b.s., sent in a surgical military strike to arrest the alleged criminal."
Did this action lessen your insatiable appetite for narcotics? Did it stop you from selling weapons to the cartels? No? I didn't think so.
"Nicolás Maduro’s removal should be welcomed by anyone who values liberty."
Why?? He'll just be replaced by another statist bozo. And America has no legal or moral right to run around the globe blowing up buildings and people because we don't like the current ruler of a particular country. We should tend to our own problems, of which there are many.
of which there are many ... immigrating from Venezuala.