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Taxes

Why Mitt Romney's Call To Tax the Rich Falls Apart

Yes, the status quo is unsustainable. But Romney's proposed solution risks making those problems harder to fix while foreclosing opportunities for the next generation.

Veronique de Rugy | 1.1.2026 11:14 AM

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Former Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) | Illustration: Adani Samat. Photo: Graeme Sloan/Sipa USA/Newscom
Former Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) (Illustration: Adani Samat. Photo: Graeme Sloan/Sipa USA/Newscom)

There is something emotionally satisfying about watching a wealthy person call for higher taxes on people like himself. It feels civic-minded, even noble. A recent commentary by former Utah Sen., Massachusetts Gov., and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney fits squarely into this tradition. Faced with a looming fiscal cliff, Romney concludes that entitlement reform is unavoidable and that higher taxes on affluent Americans must be part of the solution.

Don't be fooled, though. Yes, the status quo is unsustainable, and pretending otherwise is reckless. But taxing the rich can't meaningfully solve our underlying fiscal problems. Worse, pursuing that illusion risks making those problems harder to fix while foreclosing opportunities for the next generation.

Start with a basic arithmetic problem that never goes away: High-income households already shoulder a disproportionate share of the federal income-tax burden. The top 1 percent pay roughly 40 percent of income-tax revenues; the top 10 percent pay well over two-thirds. And when taxes and other transfers of wealth are factored in, the system has become increasingly progressive over time.

Whatever one thinks about fairness, this fact has huge implications for collecting revenue. There's simply not enough taxable income at the top to finance a government built around large, universal, middle-class benefits.

Romney proposes raising revenue by removing the cap on payroll taxes, taxing assets more heavily at death, ending like-kind exchanges in real estate, limiting state and local tax deductions, and closing the carried-interest preference. None of these ideas are new. Their revenue effects have been studied repeatedly. Even under optimistic assumptions, their combined yield over a decade amounts to only a fraction of projected deficits. Trillions sound impressive in isolation, but against tens of trillions in red ink, they're a rounding error.

There's an even deeper problem with the "tax the rich" impulse. It assumes that those being taxed will pay the full cost without simply reducing their tax exposure. Taxes change behavior. They alter investment decisions, career choices, and the accumulation of human capital. They nudge employers toward retirement rather than toward another round of hiring.

And higher marginal tax rates at the top do not just affect today's wealthy people; they shape the incentives of tomorrow's entrepreneurs, engineers, doctors, and business builders.

This is where moral posturing a la Romney becomes especially troubling. It's easy to say "tax me more" once you're already rich—with wealth already built, diversified, and largely insulated. But if such a system had been imposed earlier, it would have reduced the likelihood that as many individuals would have become wealthy in the first place.

In other words, the call to tax the rich today makes it harder for young people to become rich tomorrow. Thanks a lot.

That matters not because everyone should be a billionaire but because economic mobility depends on the possibility of outsized success. When the returns on extraordinary or unique effort, risk-taking, and skill acquisition are diminished, fewer people invest in them. The evidence is clear that more progressive tax systems reduce incentives to accumulate human capital and expand businesses over the long run. These costs show up slowly—in lower productivity, slower growth, and fewer opportunities. But they do show up.

We should also not assume that new tax revenue would actually be used to reduce deficits. Especially because history suggests otherwise. When revenue rises, spending tends to rise with it, often by more than the increase in taxes. The promise that "this time is different" is commonplace, but it's rarely been kept.

The real driver of today's fiscal imbalance remains largely untouched: spending on entitlement programs whose costs grow automatically and whose benefits flow increasingly to people who are already financially comfortable. Romney is correct that payouts should be means-tested for future retirees. But the notion that we can't tweak the benefits of the retired or near-retired is nonsense. Many of them don't depend on Social Security for their retirement income and receive more than they paid in.

If wealthy Americans genuinely believe they should contribute more, they are free to do so today. The Treasury accepts voluntary payments. That's a much better idea than using their resources to support policies that lock in a tax environment that prevents younger generations from building wealth in the first place.

The temptation to tax the rich is understandable. It feels fair. It feels painless. It allows us to postpone harder conversations. But feelings are not solutions. Such taxation will not stabilize government finances, and it will not restore confidence in the system. Worse, it risks turning a society that once rewarded ambition into one that quietly penalizes it.

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Veronique de Rugy is a contributing editor at Reason. She is a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University.

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  1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 months ago

    If he wants higher taxes, he is welcome to write as many checks to the government as he wants.

    1. Sir Chips Alot   4 months ago

      exactly what i am thinking....he is free to write a check to the treasury right now as can any of these low IQ brainwashed far left Democrat cultists....wonder why they don't.....

  2. Michael Ejercito   4 months ago

    How about making Burisma pay for it?

    Has he heard of Burisma?

    1. Nelson   4 months ago

      You mean the foreign company that never has and never will pay taxes in America?

      Do you think before you post, or do you just grab the first denigrating propaganda phrase/company/person that your silo has fed you and post it as if it’s relevant to the discussion?

      Hint: Burisma has nothing to do with US taxes because it isn’t a US company. And, as far as I can tell, they have neither employees nor business in the US.

  3. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

    Romney is a Nepo baby and an idiot.

    1. ML (now paying)   4 months ago

      He's also a game playing fraud.

      Unlike the marks he's pandering to, he knows damn well that billionaires don't have hundreds of billions just sitting in bank accounts ready to pay "their fair share." He understands it's tied to the perceived value of the companies they own, just as I'm not a millionaire based on local home prices unless I sell in a hot market.

      Romney is playing off their credulity for what I can only imagine are nefarious reasons.

      1. You're Kidding   4 months ago

        Explain that to all the progressives on national and social media that get their jollies extolling the the exact opposite; that billionaires are unfairly gaining their wealth and then hoarding it so no one else can have it.

        They spend an infinite amount of online time attacking billionaires as the cause of all that they see wrong in the world. It's led to the term oligarch being commonplace.

  4. ML (now paying)   4 months ago

    "The temptation to tax the rich is understandable. It feels fair. It feels painless. It allows us to postpone harder conversations."

    These articles always read like they're trying to persuade some reasonable but totally-not-libertarian far-left friend, rather than share insight into the insanity with the libertarians who are more likely to read the magazine.
    It's like they don't know many people who would say, "Yeah, that's a really stupid idea".

    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   4 months ago

      They all live between NYC and DC. So all the people they know are beltway leftists.

    2. Overt   4 months ago

      I wonder which one of you lives in the bubble. I know a lot of people who think exactly what de Rugy says- the rich don't pay enough. Because they are ignorant. They have heard about the gini coefficient and Buffet and Romney all complaining that they don't pay enough. They truly don't realize that the US has one of the most progressive tax regimes in the world.

      1. ML (now paying)   4 months ago

        "I know a lot of people who think exactly what de Rugy says- the rich don't pay enough"

        So do I. You seem to be misunderstanding my point, because they don't identify as libertarian and aren't readers let alone subscribers to Reason.

        What I'm saying is that the writers here are largely writing for the Atlantic, WaPo and NYT crowd. The cosmopolitan corporatists. Not Reason's actual audience.

        1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

          That's what I have been thinking this past 6 months of articles too.

        2. Overt   4 months ago

          You really don't think someone might end up linked to this page? Maybe if some of the commetariate were willing to spend time in other venues, like the leftist schills who invade this site every time there is a post to Reddit?

          30+ years ago when I was slightly interested in libertarian thought, I was one of these ignorant people. I read similar stuff on Harry Brown's site.

          Every day there are young adults who get links to this site and have. similar falsehoods in their mind. They then can go out and say the same to their friends. To have as arguments against ignorant NYTards and the like. They should absolutely be saying things to convince them.

  5. Doug Heffernan   4 months ago

    Romney has it upside down. It's the poor that need to be taxed. Most of them pay less than zero and therefore have no skin in the game. Plus, there is a lot more of them, so more people to tax allows for a broader base. Sure, many corporations also find a way to pay less than zero in taxes, but there aren't as many of them as there are poor people. The growth opportunity for taxation lies in the masses of poor people.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 months ago

      Government transfers account for 59 percent of the bottom quintile’s comprehensive income. For each dollar of taxes paid by the bottom quintile, they received $6.17 in gross government transfers.

      The top quintile funded 90.1 percent, or $1.6 trillion, of all government transfers in 2019. For each dollar of taxes paid, the top quintile received $0.11 in gross government transfers.

      The lowest quintile experienced a combined tax and transfer rate of negative 127.0 percent, meaning that for each dollar they earned, they received an additional $1.27 from the government, netting transfers (gains) and taxes (losses), while the top quintile had a rate of positive 30.7 percent, meaning on net they paid just under $0.31 for every dollar earned.

      https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/who-pays-taxes-federal-state-local-tax-burden-transfers/

    2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

      Sweden has a flat tax.

  6. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   4 months ago

    Romney is largely irrelevant at this point. He’s transformed himself into a big pile of Kasich.

    1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

      Voters are stupid. When he went socialist as Governor of Mass he should not have been elected as GOP again.

  7. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 months ago

    Still ignoring California's 5% proposed wealth tax as you complain about conservatives out of any power?

    1. Nelson   4 months ago

      As typical for Jesse, he brings in a completely unrelated red herring (a proposed state tax when the discussion is about the federal budget). His inability to be honest on even a surface level is mindboggling in its breadth and depth.

      That said, and I can’t tell you how much it makes my skin crawl to agree with him, wealth taxes (any tax on accumulated wealth, as opposed to income) are the worst idea of the many terrible fiscal ideas of the hard left. Not just the California wealth tax. Any wealth tax.

      And that list includes MMT, so it’s got fierce competition.

      1. ML (now paying)   4 months ago

        你好, Nelson.

        No not a red herring, it's the exact same terrible idea Romney's "solution" flirts with, just at the state level where Democrats hold power.

        Wealth taxes are garbage policy (glad we agree), drive out capital/jobs, and fail everywhere tried. California's proposed 5% one-time billionaire grab is already sparking an exodus, Thiel, Sacks, others fleeing to TX/FL.

        Federal version would do the same nationally. Romney's "loophole"-closing is virtue-signaling that ignores math: not enough rich to fix entitlements without crushing growth.

        Focus on spending restraint, not envy.

      2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

        If Cali didn't take so many fed dollars this would not be a discussion.

        1. You're Kidding   4 months ago

          According to many leftist pundits here in California, we pay more in than we take. While the red states are the opposite.

          My point always is not to debate the ins and outs of federal cash flows. But to turn the discussion as to why all mana seems to be collected by the federal government only to be redistributed to the states? Why is the federal government so involved in what are truly state and/or local programs or projects? And how this makes no sense, creates a competition for pork rather than working towards good governance to say nothing of each agency, federal state and local taking an "administrative" cut of the funds as they're passed along.

          I spent twenty years in public transit. And it is the perfect example of this inefficient, wasteful way of operating.

  8. Rick James   4 months ago

    Adults in the room!

  9. IceTrey   4 months ago

    Coercive taxation is an immoral violation of our natural right as sapient beings to liberty.

  10. Eeyore   4 months ago

    I put forward the "Tax Mitt Romney for 100% of his worth" bill. He believes in high taxes, so it's ok.

    1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

      Yes and tell Buffet, you now must pay more, all is welcome since he said he is giving it all to charity when he dies anyway. He did say he would pay more if they made him.

      Buffet and other Billionaires like him are a bane on the economy. They spent nothing. Hoarding every nickel and never spending for what? He should step out and let someone else make some money.

      At least others spend it helping communities etc.

  11. Nobartium   4 months ago

    There is something emotionally satisfying about watching a wealthy person call for higher taxes on people like himself.

    In what possible sense do you feel this Veronique?

    Are you actually happy that retards like Romney are publicly ashamed of their wealth?

    1. Nelson   4 months ago

      Because people advocating against their own self-interest is seen as noble and altruistic. Normal people like noble and altruistic acts. They get an endorphin rush from it.

      Of course most people only look at the surface and fail to see if there’s a longer play. Warren Buffett has walked the walk for so long you can see he truly wants to limit the power of oligarchs and isn’t looking for some personal advantage. Mitt Romney? Not so much.

      I would also point out that there is a difference between the response to those who made their own money (the Steves of Apple, Jeff Bezos, the Scrub Daddy guys, Damon Johns, etc.), who are (absent partisan vilification efforts) viewed positively while born-on-third-base trust fund babies (Trump and his children, George W. Bush, the Kennedys, Kim Kardashian, the non-Sam Waltons, etc.) are seen as winning because they started with the big stack.

      The self-made person is aspirational and inspirational, reinforcing the Protestant work ethic that is baked into our national psyche.

      Nepo babies are the aristocracy of the modern age, using their money to create a false image of success.

      1. Nobartium   4 months ago

        Because people advocating against their own self-interest is seen as noble and altruistic. Normal people like noble and altruistic acts. They get an endorphin rush from it.

        So yes, she is retarded.

        I would also point out that there is a difference between the response to those who made their own money (the Steves of Apple, Jeff Bezos, the Scrub Daddy guys, Damon Johns, etc.), who are (absent partisan vilification efforts) viewed positively while born-on-third-base trust fund babies (Trump and his children, George W. Bush, the Kennedys, Kim Kardashian, the non-Sam Waltons, etc.) are seen as winning because they started with the big stack.

        And you are envious of headstarts.

        1. Nelson   4 months ago

          I co-founded and built my own company, albeit not nearly as big as Apple, sold my share to my partner, and retired in my mid-40s to volunteer for a Labrador Retriever rescue. There isn’t anyone in the world I’m envious of. My life is pretty awesome.

          People who are envious of others usually are incapable of distinguishing between “enough” and “more” in their financial goals. I’ll never have to work another day in my life and get to do something that is meaningful, at least to the dogs I help. That’s the definition of “enough”.

          1. You're Kidding   4 months ago

            Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

            Pretender!

            1. Nelson   4 months ago

              An accusation of envy requires a detailed pushback. Not just saying “Nuh-uh!”, but explaining why.

              I love my life and am proud of what I have accomplished. I’m not ashamed of being successful. You may be one of those “denigrate successful people” types, but I’m not.

              I don’t have to pretend about anything. I’ve built a great life for myself.

      2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 months ago

        Should good looking people be punished for being born like that?
        How does that differ from being born into a wealthy family?

        1. Nelson   4 months ago

          Who said anything about punishment? I’m talking about admiration, or at least respect. Most nepotism babies don’t earn respect because they equate money with substance. Rich just means rich, no more and no less.

      3. Rick James   4 months ago

        Nepo babies are the aristocracy of the modern age, using their money to create a false image of success.

        What are billionaire ex-wives? Chopped liver?

      4. DesigNate   4 months ago

        “Warren Buffett has walked the walk for so long you can see he truly wants to limit the power of oligarchs and isn’t looking for some personal advantage.”

        This is laughable. He’s part of the oligarchy. And unless I missed all the media slobbering, he’s never once cut an extra check to the Treasury to “pay his fair share”, while bemoaning our tax code.

        1. Nelson   4 months ago

          He is one of the biggest philanthropists in the country. He has not only said he wants to give away most of his money, he does it. Constantly. His children won’t be inheriting from him.

          So yes, he walks the walk. And saying that because he doesn’t pay extra somehow makes a relevant point is idiotic.

          Not everyone can be a grifting nepo baby like Trump. Buffett made an insane amount of money by being a good businessman and now is giving it all away. He’s the exact opposite of Trump.

          1. DesigNate   4 months ago

            I’ll give you the philanthropy he does is admirable and I could care less if he leaves any money to his kids.

            “And saying that because he doesn’t pay extra somehow makes a relevant point is idiotic.”

            It is exactly relevant because he has routinely called for raising taxes, which does nothing to “limit the power of oligarchs” and would not, in fact or in practice, actually cause him to pay more taxes.

            I don’t have much use or love for nepo babies so didn’t bother addressing that part of your comment.

      5. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

        Bullshit Buffet wants to limit power. He's a useless turd and needs to spend some fucking money to help the economy. O give it all away as he says he will and let them spend it.

        Build something like Trump or Besos or Musk. Soros and Buffet can fuck off.

        1. Nelson   4 months ago

          Trump hasn’t built anything. He has bankrupted his companies … four times. He has turned the White House into the Grifters Hall Of Fame, with himself as the all-time record holder.

    2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

      No doubt, she loves hearing what she knows will never happen? They do not have to use the loopholes and they could easily write check if they were honest.

  12. Overt   4 months ago

    "This is where moral posturing a la Romney becomes especially troubling. It's easy to say "tax me more" once you're already rich—with wealth already built, diversified, and largely insulated. But if such a system had been imposed earlier, it would have reduced the likelihood that as many individuals would have become wealthy in the first place."

    You people have no idea. I just wrote a check for $32k at the end of this year. In April I will be refunded about $40k. And another $20k from the state of CA.

    And just to be clear, this money is available because of programs setup during the Biden admin, and then RENEWED in the Big Beautiful Bill. These tax shelters are bipartisan. And they were a direct response to the SALT Deduction Cap.

    We went from simple taxes to absurd shell games that only work if you have tons of excess cash sitting around in a brokerage account. As de Rugy says, too bad if you are younger "working rich". You have to wait until you can save up enough to shell out these deduction schemes.

    1. Overt   4 months ago

      If you don't believe me, you can learn more by going to a site like https://www.sunwealth.com/. They are a platform designed to help fund exactly these tax shelter schemes. Or get yourself a nice family office that does this with less expense ratios.

      Don't get me wrong- I detest this. Especially the fact that the legacy of my "generous donations" will be countless churches and schools sitting on white elephants- solar panel farms that they own but are broken down and not working after 15 years.

      But oh well. People decided it was okay to tax me for income I never saw (because it was taken by CA). Now I'll get that tax benefit plus some. My family was working rich- we received our money from stock and salary. Luckily we could structure that income to take advantage of these tax schemes setup by the truly wealthy. Many millions of well off americans cannot do the same. They will move out of California or just suffer. I won't apologize for keeping what I earned.

      1. Longtobefree   4 months ago

        My tax motto:
        "I don't get to make the rules, but I am willing to play the game."

    2. Rick James   4 months ago

      Imagine if income wasn't taxed...

      "Define income" I hear you say?

      Umm, 400,000 page document to your inbox!

      1. Overt   4 months ago

        Facts. Which people calling for a "Flat Tax" always seem to forget.

    3. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

      Fuck the SALT deductions. Oh poor you for living in NYC instead of somewhere rural or a smaller city that you get a fed tax break that no one else does.

      1. Nelson   4 months ago

        Everybody gets the same deductions. Rural, suburban, urban, metropolis … all the same. You are just bitching because people in more economically successful places have more valuable homes. More successful places cost more to live in because people want to live there. It’s simple supply and demand. And the demand for Alabama and Kansas is low, while the demand for California and New York is high.

        Envy is ugly.

      2. Overt   4 months ago

        And as I said, good for you that you managed to get the cap added. Now I get a much bigger break because you fucked with people that have 10000x the political leverage you ever will. And they instituted something far more devious and non-productive.

        I know you don't like the SALT deduction because it gores someone else's ox. But it absolutely impacts people all over the country, including red states. Everyone pays state and local taxes. It's just that people in urban areas tend to pay more.

        And again, this isn't some crazy leftist theory. This was a basic precept of taxing since the income tax (may it rot in hell) was created: You don't tax a person for income they didn't make. People did not make the income that was paid to their State or locality. It was literally withheld from their paychecks, they never spent a dime of it. Instead, they now need to spend another $20 - $30 for every hundred that they never saw.

        Your outrage is cute, but I don't really care. You got your way and now I have mine. And your favorite Republican friends baked it into the Big Beautiful Bill and your papa Trump signed it because they all benefit from it. You might too if you ever amass enough wealth to be able to write 5 or 6 figure checks at the drop of a hat.

  13. shadydave   4 months ago

    The last three Republican nominees for President were George W. Bush, John McCain and Mitt Romney. And the Republicans were all set to add Jeb Bush to the list. And people still ask "how did Trump take over the Republican party?"

    1. ML (now paying)   4 months ago

      Jeb!
      (His mother said he'll always be her little president)

      Poor Nikki Haley, it was her turn next.

  14. Bananas   4 months ago

    The left loved Romney before he was nominated, and after he lost.
    But while he was the R candidate, he was called a woman hater (binders of women), a dog killer (while runing against a guy who actually ate dogs), a murderer (see 60 Mins episode where a man claimed Romney mudered his wife by firing her, thus taking away her health insurance), and a slaver (Joe Biden's "He'll put ya'll back in chains".
    All of this has been memory holed, as now Romney is considered a dreamboat by the left.
    You can't hate the media enough.

    1. ML (now paying)   4 months ago

      You may think that you hate them enough, but you don't.

    2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

      They had to feign they hated him to try and get votes for themselves but they knew all along he would win and he would do their bidding so it is all fake BS.

  15. JFree   4 months ago

    Start with a basic arithmetic problem that never goes away: High-income households already shoulder a disproportionate share of the federal income-tax burden. The top 1 percent pay roughly 40 percent of income-tax revenues; the top 10 percent pay well over two-thirds.

    The usual Reason arithmetic is always bullshit. Like it or not, federal tax revenue as a % of GDP has been roughly constant since WW2. State and local tax revenues as a % of GDP have risen since WW2 but of course that means tax burden is NOT a national issue. Nor will any 'libertarian' care to drill down at the state/local level to find out whether it is sales, income, or prop taxes (which have a VERY different tax burden for different income levels) that have increased.

    Further - I can almost guaranfuckingtee that deRugy ignores FICA taxes because R's always ignore FICA taxes (35% of total) in favor of pure income and cap gains taxes (51% of total).

    Further further - GDP (the proxy for income) is a smaller and smaller part of total US wealth and it has a HUGE impact on how govt is financed and paid for. From 1950 to 1995, wealth/GDP ratio ranged from 350% to 400%. For a second, ignore that reality - that the GDP 'tax base' (which is the entire extent of any 'income' based tax) is only a tiny portion of the total tax base - meaning that income tax rates could be substantially lower if the US paid attention to anything involving actual fiscal responsibility rather than the cronyist corruption that Reason endorses.

    Because the real problem is that the wealth/GDP ratio has gone from 400% in 1995 to 550% now. Ignore the Warren/etc bullshit - which is the ONLY thing that Reason cares about since everyone is so deeply DeRp and willfully stupid. No the problem is that that wealth has risen from 400% to 550% of GDP while DEBT (total public and private) as a % of GDP has risen by 120% (70% govt; 50% private-pending-next-bailout) of that 150% total. IOW - debt (including govt deficits and including all private credit collateralized by govt debt) is almost completely nonproductive now. It jacks up asset prices (which obviously accrue entirely to the wealthy - as does interest paid on the federal debt). It does not increase productivity or income in future years.

    Obviously no one in govt (not D and not R) has ever given a real shit about whether govt deficits are productive or not. Nor do voters. But - nor is there much private debt taken on that increases productivity and future real income. It increases house prices and is used to buy shareholder equity to boost share prices and is used to goose consumption beyond our ability to produce an income.

    1. Overt   4 months ago

      "The usual Reason arithmetic is always bullshit. Like it or not, federal tax revenue as a % of GDP has been roughly constant since WW2. State and local tax revenues as a % of GDP have risen since WW2 but of course that means tax burden is NOT a national issue."

      Hey guys, Look! It's JFear shouting about shit he knows nothing about again! It must be a day ending in Y.

      So let's be clear: Reason asserted that Rich households pay the majority of taxes. And so JFear posts stats showing that the Federal Tax Burden as a percentage of GDP remains constant.

      1) If that were true, so what? The point correctly made by Reason is that the Rich are shouldering that burden. His stat does not dispute that. In the 50s, the middle and lower classes paid more of this burden. Today they do not.

      2) Of course JFear's numbers are not only irrelevant to the point, they are also not correct. When he states they have been "Roughly" consistent, he is handwaving past a lot of fluctuation. With a high of almost 20% of GDP and a low of around 13%, we are talking about a roughly +/- swing of 20% from the average. That is not consistency.

      "Further - I can almost guaranfuckingtee that deRugy ignores FICA taxes because R's always ignore FICA taxes (35% of total) in favor of pure income and cap gains taxes (51% of total)."

      And we know how good JFear's guarantees are- no fucking good at all. De Rugy's numbers are consistent depending on what year you look at. The CBO report of 2021 shows this same trend. Here is a great historical analysis:
      https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/us-federal-fiscal-system-progressive/

      In the latest data, the top 1% pays around 36% and the top 10% pay 68%.

      "Because the real problem is that the wealth/GDP ratio has gone from 400% in 1995 to 550% now. Ignore the Warren/etc bullshit - which is the ONLY thing that Reason cares about since everyone is so deeply DeRp and willfully stupid."

      Oh lordy, here goes JFear *really* talking about shit he doesn't understand. Let's just say that JFear has beclowned himself numerous times stating things like "Inflation is caused by the pajama class taking HELOC loans" and "Banks pull money out of thin air".

      But beyond this, it doesn't matter. JFear is handwaving to irrelevant topics because he just wants to seem smart by diving into obscure bullshit. The fact is that Government doesn't get its services for free. It either gets revenue from tax receipts or borrowing. De Rugy's point remains: if you want to get more receipts, focusing on the rich is a fool's errand and an evil one to boot.

      They are the ruminations of someone who has read much, and thought little. He constantly writes shit like this- where he thinks of something and doesn't spend the barest second questioning whether maybe he isn't the smartest guy in the room.

      1. Overt   4 months ago

        By the way, here is JFear's catastrophic understanding of economics and money theory...Read it for a good laugh.

        https://reason.com/2023/02/02/covid-stimulus-spending-played-sizable-role-in-inflation/?comments=true#comment-9908500

      2. Overt   4 months ago

        And if you want to have a lot of fun, you can see this great conversation about Climate Science.

        https://reason.com/2022/08/19/incompetent-people-are-often-too-incompetent-to-realize-just-how-incompetent-they-are-says-new-study/?comments=true#comment-9660558

        You see how JFear works:

        1) Spout off shit he doesn't know about
        2) Refuse to admit he was wrong, and instead bring up irrelevant shit
        3) Call people names
        4) Ghost the thread

        It appears that JFear has changed a bit for the new year- he just starts off with irrelevant BS.

        1. JFree   4 months ago

          Three and a half years? You owe me a ton of back rent. Eviction proceedings are now beginning.

          1. Overt   4 months ago

            Poor JFear has a sad because people keep records. "How dare this meanie keep pointing out how foolish I am".

            Please, mewl some more.

      3. JFree   4 months ago

        The point correctly made by Reason is that the Rich are shouldering that burden. His stat does not dispute that. In the 50s, the middle and lower classes paid more of this burden. Today they do not.

        Asserting facts not in evidence. Obviously the facts are obtainable but you just as obviously prefer mere assertion. The effective tax burden for the median taxpayer in 1950 was 5.5% of income; 8.7% by 1960, 9.9% by 1980. It is about the same since then though the burden has shifted dramatically with higher FICA and lower income taxes. Which as I said - is exactly why R's ignore FICA taxes.

        For the top 1% the effective tax burden in the 1950's was 42% of income (highest marginal rate then was 91%). Today it is roughly 35%. So - as is always the case - you are wrong and I am right. Income taxes (always a tax base that targets the broad middle class - not the very poor or the wealthy) alone have tilted over the last 70 years to put more burden on the lower middle and less burden on the wealthy/high income. IDK about whether sales tax rates (that hit the poor more) have changed - or property tax rates (hit the wealthy more) - but obviously those are state/local issues mainly.

        Further - again as is always the case you completely miss the slightly more complex point of any post. In this case, about wealth/gdp and debt. The wealth/gdp change provides ample evidence that the high income now are FAR more able to manage their financial affairs by focusing on the untaxed part of the iceberg and moving income into the taxed part only in those years when they deem it advantageous (eg tax loss harvesting, etc). Meaning - for that group - income taxes are less coercive than they were back then for that income group.

        Further further - as I said debt is now unproductive in an economic sense. It is often now just a tax game (eg issuing deductible debt in order to buy back nondeductible equity while at the same time avoiding dividends (double taxed) thus forcing the midgets to earn a return on capital by playing stock market roulette where it is the wealthy who can harvest tax losses). A tax game that hugely benefits the wealthy when the govt runs deficits instead of supporting itself with income taxes. Encouraged even more by the Fed/banking subsidies re eg zero interest rates and other free money for some for more than an entire decade.

        1. Overt   4 months ago

          Oh JFear, you should have just ghosted the thread.

          Nobody is fooled that you pulled 1000 stats out of your ass, except for the one statistic at question: what percentage of the Tax burden (including FICA, you moron) is paid by the Rich?

          The CBO data is pretty clear: For the top 1% the share has almost doubled since 1979. For the top quintile, it has gone from about 56% to 68%

          https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/Tax_liability_Shares.pdf

          And by the way, that specific data at CBO does not include the cost of transfers (as the previous data did) which has made the disparity even bigger because the lowest quintile makes money back from taxes.

          And because you are an idiot who parrots the "What about muh FICA" all the time, try to understand that a person who makes $4000 only pays FICA on $4000, even when they get more than that back from the government. Meanwhile, the average household in the top Quintile just barely capped out its FICA donations (only about $40k is exempt).

          The rest of your stats are just smokescreens- trying to equate things like the effective or top marginal tax rate with the actual statistics in question.

          The real question is why JFear does this. In his mad google search for some way to prove the unprovable, he MUST have come across this CBO data. But he chose to NOT MENTION it and just post a bunch of other useless, non-germane crap. It not only shows how disingenuous he is, but it really reveals how CLEVER he really thinks he is. He genuinely thinks that if he doesn't mention the stats he found that prove him an imbecile, no one else will.

          1. JFree   4 months ago

            pulled 1000 stats out of your ass

            They are all online, from reliable sources, and you can google them. I can't put more than one link in a post so I'm not bothering since you don't read links anyway.

            There could be a legitimate argument - but you are marinated in your R bullshit aren't you. The poors are so amazingly powerful and energetic and skilled they are taking all my tax money. But so powerless and unskilled and lazy they can't earn an income or keep a job. It is well-known that pols accept defensive campaign donations from the high income because the poors also manipulate elections even with much lower turnout (and their known laziness in not even being able to get a job) than the high income.

            Meanwhile you are slaving away not even realizing that the poors are going to take your money and the pols ain't gonna pay one bit of attention to your campaign donations and neither of them are even slightly empathetic to your condition of servitude.

            1. Overt   4 months ago

              "They are all online, from reliable sources, and you can google them. I can't put more than one link in a post so I'm not bothering since you don't read links anyway."

              They are irrelevant. That is why they are pulled from your ass. You were the one that insisted the "Reason arithmetic is bullshit" and so it is incumbent on you to show better math. Instead you chose to parrot different stats that DON'T DISPROVE REASON. Because you can't.

              Again, the real question is why you thought you could fool anyone. I DID google search, and found exactly the same stats you did. You no doubt found that Reason was correct. But you tried instead to throw up a smoke screen of irrelevant data.

              "There could be a legitimate argument - but you are marinated in your R bullshit aren't you."

              That's our classic JFear. "I could argue with you, but I'm not gonna" We see that in so many of your threads when people point out your bullshit.

              And then, the classic "I'm going to read your mind now" with the most caricatured and absurd description that just shows you are not THINKING or READING. You made an incorrect assertion and I provided the actual math that proves you wrong. Instead of taking your lumps and slinking away, you need to salve your butthurt ego- to insist that even if I was right, it was because I'm just a bad guy with bad motivations.

              You are no fun JFear, because you don't actually engage anyone's arguments. You are so used to the praise from the voices in your head that you haven't learned even the BASIC points of debate.

              But I have hope for you. Calm down, child. Maybe use some ChatGPT to help your arguments in the future.

  16. TJJ2000   4 months ago

    Excellent article... +10000000. Romney has always been a RINO POS.

    When MORE-THEFT "feels fair. It feels painless." it should be obvious that the criminal-minds are winning and dog-eat-dog crime is on its way.

    That applies to the voters as well as the administration.
    'Guns' don't make sh*t. They never have and they never will.

  17. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

    "The temptation to tax the rich is understandable. It feels fair. It feels painless. It allows us to postpone harder conversations."

    The problem, among many, is it teaches socialist losers that the philosophy of "just spend more of someone elses money" is sound, and then when they inevitably burn through all that extra free money, they will be right back with their hands out, asking for more money for the next boondoggle.

    How come every time they get more tax revenue, they spend it, and then somehow spend even more further increasing the deficit. Because 'other peoples money' is basically giving an addict another hit, an alcoholic another drink, or paying off trust fund kids 20k credit card overspend because "it was just this one time".

    It reinforces all the wrong behaviors.

  18. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

    We have the most progressive tax system in the world.

    Top 20% pay pretty much all the taxes, take that to top 1/3 and its almost the entire tax burden.

    Bottom half of country pays literally zero. The uncomfortable truth is the middle and lower classes are extremely *under* taxed for the services they want. The DSA wants the green new deal, universal health care, and UBI, but they also dont want their constituents to have to pay a dime for it.

  19. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

    romney should have moved to Cuba long ago but Americans can't seem to realize whom the socialist wolves and war mongers are.

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