Zohran Mamdani and Donald Trump Prove That There Are Two Paths Toward Socialism
As fans of horseshoe theory point out, the political extremes might differ on details, but they have a lot in common.
About five years ago, the comedian Ryan Long posted a video in which a woke progressive and an old-fashioned racist meet and, much to their astonishment, discover that rather than being bitterly opposed, they agree on pretty much everything.
There was a strong echo of that convergence in last week's White House tete-a-tete between Republican President Donald Trump and New York's new socialist Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani. Anticipated to be a grudge match, it instead turned into something of a lovefest. Well, of course it did. As fans of horseshoe theory accurately point out, control freaks from the political extremes might differ on details, but they have more in common with each other than they do with people who respect each other's liberty.
You are reading The Rattler from J.D. Tuccille and Reason. Get more of J.D.'s commentary on government overreach and threats to everyday liberty.
Trump and Mamdani in 'a Place of Shared Admiration and Love'
In reporting on the meeting, The Hill noted, "Trump and Mamdani answered questions from reporters, both striking a remarkably cordial tone, with the president indicating he agreed with many of the mayor-elect's ideas."
According to Mamdani, "It was a productive meeting focused on a place of shared admiration and love."
Trump added that Mamdani would be "hopefully a really great mayor." He also commented, "There's no difference in party. There's no difference in anything."
So, how did two politicians who entered the meeting slinging epithets at each other like "communist" and "fascist" exit with the makings of a mutual admiration society? There's a hint in a question a BBC reporter posed to the new mayor at the White House when he commented "you're both populist" and asked, "to what extent the president's campaign…inspired any part of your campaign?"
Mamdani eagerly brought up cost-of-living and economic concerns while Trump nodded and then chimed in with agreement about concerns over the price of energy.
That's the key to this meeting of the minds. Trump and Mamdani are strongly focused on economic issues. They also share a taste for addressing those concerns with government direction.
Two Paths to Socialism
Mamdani boasts of his open socialism. He's gone so far as to call for "seizing the means of production." He won office with a campaign that promised city-run grocery stores, a rent freeze, and free buses, child care, and other services funded by higher taxes on whoever can be interpreted as "wealthy." That should be interesting since he wants to tax the extremely wealthy out of existence.
In an exercise of what can be called "Republican socialism," Trump actually did seize a portion of the means of production when his administration leaned on U.S. Steel for a "golden share" of the company. Under his leadership, the federal government has also taken ownership positions in firms including Intel, Lithium Americas, and Trilogy Metals. Trump's protectionism is crafted to enable the state to push firms to revive domestic manufacturing—or else.
Mamdani believes in government control of the economy for the sake of achieving socialism. Trump endorses government control of the economy to accomplish his nationalist goals. But whatever they call their views, both men think political leaders should be directing economic activity.
What brought Mamdani to socialism is probably best left as a question for his shrink, his parents, and his college professors. But Trump's path to state control of the economy almost certainly lies in his nationalist impulses. He came to office on the slogan "Make America Great Again" and has enthusiastically used the power of the federal government to enact what he believes that means, often replacing individual choice with politicians' preferences.
As the economist Friedrich Hayek wrote in his 1960 book, The Constitution of Liberty, "It is this nationalistic bias which frequently provides the bridge from conservatism to collectivism. To think in terms of 'our' industry or resource is only a short step away from demanding that these national assets be directed in the national interest."
Hayek differentiated nationalism from patriotism, which he considered pride in your origins as opposed to nationalism's collectivism and xenophobia. The shared collectivism of socialism and nationalism, he added, is why "we frequently find the conservatives joining hands with the socialists against the liberals."
Inevitably Shared Authoritarianism
Whether collectivist economic impulses are exercised by nationalists or by socialists, Hayek observed that the result is inevitably authoritarian. When the state controls economic activity, it can deny permits, withhold resources, cut off finance, impose punitive taxes, and otherwise make existence independent of the state almost impossible.
"Economic control is not merely control of a sector of human life which can be separated from the rest; it is the control of the means for all our ends," Hayek warned in his 1944 book, The Road to Serfdom. "And whoever has sole control of the means must also determine which ends are to be served, which values are to be rated higher and which lower, in short, what men should believe and strive for."
From different directions, Trump and Mamdani have arrived at agreement that economic activity should be directed by government officials over the objections of those who want to make their own decisions about their property, their businesses, and their money. They got along so well together at the White House because, like Ryan Long's fictional wokester and racist, they were delighted to discover the similarities in their desires for a society controlled from the top.
Yes, Mamdani is back to calling Trump a "fascist," but there's a quality of rote recital to it. He's giving his supporters what they expect. Trump will probably call him a communist again. But they're not bitter enemies; the two men are rivals peddling similar products and vying for market share.
Holding Onto Individualism
In opposition to both these representatives of neighboring arms of the ideological horseshoe are Hayek-style classical liberals, libertarians, and other individualists. Advocates of liberty oppose collectivism and state control whether it's called socialism, nationalism, or some other name. We see society as a cooperative endeavor among free individuals, not as a collective to be commanded from above.
Unfortunately, Mamdani and Trump represent political movements that are consuming their respective political parties. If they're successful in displacing the remaining relatively individualistic voices, the political choices offered in the future by the major parties will be nothing more than competing brands of collectivism. Of course, collectivists favor a world in which choices are made for us.
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please to post comments
The fucking subheading destroys credibility before even getting into the article. Trump is a moderate who spent most of his life identifying as a democrat. He doesn't represent the far right. Likewise, Mamdani isn't really far to the left of democrats. He is just more honest about his goals.
There's also the "You guys are as retarded as Charlie Brown trying to kick the football" aspect as well.
Trump flattered and palled around with Putin, Xi, Kim Jong Un, etc. He's a salesman and deal maker he'll make himself look good and then turn around and kick you in the ass when your support turns or you try and defy or undermine him. For the vast majority of American, and even Western history, this was known as civility.
You are welcome to return to reality at any point.
Since when have moderates accused people of treason who reminded military members that they didn’t need to follow illegal orders…? Since when have moderates ranted again and again about imprisoning and executing their political opponents…?
The take so terrible reason decides to run it twice.
They were really hoping he would call for Mamdani to be killed, jailed, or exiled so that they could run several of the pre-prepared "You know who else persecuted socialists and political dissidents?" pieces.
Instead, they had to pivot.
Just funny how half of the writers raged against DOGE, cuts to NGOs, and ignore recissions.
MAGA pivots as quickly as world communists did in late August 1939 when the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact happened. Hitler went from an evil totalitarian to a good guy overnight. The communists spent the next eight months subverting democratic governments in Western Europe. Winston Churchill gives them much of the credit for the collapse of France in 1940.
In an exercise of what can be called "Republican socialism," Trump actually did seize a portion of the means of production when his administration leaned on U.S. Steel for a "golden share" of the company.
OK, this "In an article penned by what some would call a retard, because I just called him that...", especially using your own euphemistic "quotes" is just sad.
Quit trying to make Christian Nationalism, Republican Socialism (which doesn't even make sense), etc., etc., etc. happen.
They cannot stop those things because those things justify their clinging to actual Marxists looking to destroy Western civilization.
Socialism has never really worked, anywhere... Because it wasn't the REAL socialism!!! (Which has never been tried.)
Dear Orange Caligula and Sore-Ham Mamdani Mama-Lama-Ding-Dong will Show Us The Way Forward, Cumrades!!!
The UK and Israel were quite socialist for about three decades after WW2 and it worked rather well for most of that period.
So mamdani is just like trump?
Yes, VERY good! They BOTH BLEEEEVE in Centralized Socialism, run by Big Men with Big Mouths!!!
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/31/trump-announces-trade-deal-with-south-korea-setting-tariffs-at-15percent.html Trump announces trade deal with South Korea, setting tariffs at 15% …
Trump also said in a post on social media platform Truth Social that South Korea will “will give to the United States $350 Billion Dollars for Investments owned and controlled by the United States, and selected by myself, as President.”
Trump is now a One-Man Cummander In Chief of the USA economy, and a YUUUUGE part of the world’s economy!!! Thanks for NOTHING for putting this asshole in orifice, ye STUPID “Team R” Tribalist voters!
I have been telling people that for over a year.
...
Horseshoe theory? Horseshit theory! These are two chief executives. In the same country. What would you expect them to do, break out the knives? They need to work together, to get down to business. For all the posturing each of them do publicly, they know how to do that.
Respecting each other's liberty got nuthin' to do with it. From Tamerlane to George Washington, all styles of governance are basically the same: It's just business. Are you such a sucker for the spectacle that you actually put stock in appearances? Why not analysis? Senior would've done that, while still being entertainingly funny, and I know you're capable of that too.
BTW, Donald Meinshausen died Saturday.
...
Funny, but I haven't noticed any way that Trump has left me or other people I care about less in control of my own life. What's bugging me lately is the inordinate length of time it's taking Trenton to approve my teaching credential.
US Steel golden share taken by force; check.
Championing a bill to shutdown large swaths of the economy and society; check.
Increasing Taxes by Executive Order; check
Obamacare subsidies; TBD
But don't call it socialism, that's reserved only for Democrats, oh wait check.
And somehow all but the 1st item is the Democrats agenda.
...so of course it's all Trumps Fault. /s
"HE DIDN'T STOP US [D]s!" and if he did "HE'S AN AUTHORITARIAN!" /s
Neither will bring in socialism. Trump is a fascist and Mamdani wants a European sytle social safety net. Even if Mamdani wants socialism, NYC can't do that itself.
去你的。
If Mamdani can figure out a way to pay for them, he can replace hundreds of privately owned grocery stores with government owned ones. He actually pledged to do that in his campaign.
You are an unserious retard if you expected the first meeting between the new mayor of NYC and the President to be some sort of celebrity death match. So what actual socialist plot came out of that meeting beyond platitudes and niceties? Come on retard, what?
^THIS... Reason is trying really hard to spread BS-Propaganda.
This is spot on. Both major parties are now socialist. They mainly disagree as to which groups should get special economic privileges within their socialist frameworks.
In an exercise of what can be called "Republican socialism"
That's KMW's editorial control right there. Mark my words, for the next couple years, Reason is going to lean real heavy into this nonsense.
Yes. Trump should've BLOCKED japan from owning 5-D.C.s worth of US landmass.
Yes. Trump should've found a way to BLOCK Biden's Chip-Act.
Course Reasonites were too busy complaining about ?free? foreign invasions and yelling names of authoritarianism to be bothered by what Trump should've done.
Now they're just too eager to call those two items socialism. Leftard Self-Projection 101.
Reasons so-called Libertarians made a massive mistake by pretending Libertarian was about open-invasion and favored-imports; but apparently aren't man enough to admit it.
Intelligent
is it possible trump knows that new york is just too big for mamdani to ruin in one term? diblasio couldn't, adams couldn't. the city has LONG been a hyper corrupt burg rife with bribery, union tom-foolery, back room dealings and general crookedness. mamdani is about to get a brutal lesson in gloves off politics by folks WAY better at it than he is. there is a swamp in NY that rivals the one in DC
De Blasio was the most successful NYC mayor since at least the 1950s.
Indeed. The butt-child of D.C.