Trump's Lawyer at the Supreme Court Cites a Letter from James Madison That Says Tariffs Are Taxes
During oral argument at the Supreme Court, Solicitor General D. John Sauer cited a letter by James Madison that completely undermines the administration’s case that its tariffs are legal.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments about the legality of the tariffs that President Donald Trump has implemented under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA). Trump's main argument is that his tariffs are constitutional because they are mere import regulations, authorized by IEEPA, not taxes. This argument has several legal flaws, and even if the administration were able to persuade the justices, the tariffs would still give the president unconstitutional powers.
The illogic of the administration's position was unintentionally revealed by Solicitor General D. John Sauer during a line of questioning from Justice Brett Kavanaugh. When Kavanaugh asked about whether "regulate importation" should be understood to encompass tariffs, Sauer said that, "going back to the time of the Founding, [it] has been understood that the manner in which you regulate importation…is to tariff." To support this claim, Sauer cites "Madison's letter to Cabell."
Sauer was referring to James Madison's September 1828 letter to Joseph C. Cabell, a Virginia state senator, regarding "the constitutionality of the power in [Congress] to impose a tariff for the [encouragement] of Manufactures." To Sauer's point, Madison affirms that the Commerce Clause's "power to regulate trade with foreign nations" includes the imposition of "duties."
However, Sauer and Madison differ on whether duties also invoke the Taxing Clause; Sauer insists that Trump's IEEPA "tariffs are regulatory tariffs…not revenue-raising tariffs." Madison rejects the notion that the two can be parsed.
In his letter to Cabell, Madison says it cannot be inferred "that a power to regulate trade does not involve a power to tax it." Great Britain argued that its tariffs on imports to the American colonies did not amount to "taxation without representation" because they only incidentally raised revenue.
We need not infer from our revolutionary history that the Founders rejected a distinction between tariffs as regulations and tariffs as taxes—Madison reiterates as much, again, in the letter to Cabell. "The Constitution vests in Congress, expressly, 'the power to lay & collect taxes duties imposts & excises'; and 'the power to regulate trade.'" Madison then emphasizes that former power is included in the latter, and that taxes and duties are used synonymously in other clauses. In other words, tariffs that raise revenue are taxes and regulations on foreign commerce.
The Supreme Court recognized the irrelevance of protectionist motives to tariffs' undeniable nature as taxes in J.W. Hampton v. U.S (1928). The Court concluded that one of the "motives in fixing the rates of duty [being to] encourage the industries of this country…cannot invalidate a revenue Act so framed."
Regardless of regulatory motivations, revenue-generating tariffs—which Trump has repeatedly touted his to be—are simultaneous exercises of the Taxing Clause and the Commerce Clause. The Revolutionary War was a recognition of it, Supreme Court precedent affirms it, and Madison says so explicitly in the very letter Sauer cited before the Supreme Court.
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Someone should have given Sauer a lozenge, and maybe a little less cocaine.
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But not that TAKING a person money without consent is called THEFT ?
What does REASON think ?
“Orangemanbad!”
Lindsey Graham believes vaginas are gross and smelly and so he would never vote for a person with one to be president!
Ok, but it sounds like England did distinguish between tariffs and taxes. Beware the point of the tariff was to force the trade through England.
Which was silly because they are a tax on imported goods. Paid by the recipient. If Trump increases tariffs on China, Chinese don't pay for it, Americans do.
Perhaps the Roberts' court can agree to disagree and call it a Penaltax. And I would suggest... strongly even, that before we can remove these tariffs, the Democrats should come up with a replacement.
It's a Section 230-style retcon of the Commerce Clause.
100 yrs. of progressive reinterpretation of it such that Congress has the power to tax incomes directly within our own borders but, despite the fact that it explicitly allows the government to impose tariffs, tariffs are an impossible burden because Congress subsequently delegated the power away.
Is there a way SCOTUS can find Congress to be guilty of treason?
Let's see:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
I'm willing to act as a witness if you are.
But we should always listen to the HiGhLy EdUcAtEd.
Looks like Team Trump is going to lose this one.
Then Congress can actually debate the merits (or lack thereof) of imposing these tariffs.
I’m sure you salivate the idea of the destruction of our constitutional republic. You also salivate when you look at a 55 gallon drum of ice cream, or the posterior of a small boy.
Sure. And then, Congress can conjure up a realistic, clear and workable immigration plan.
Don't hold your breath!
LOL, the House will be shut down for eternity to protect the pedo.
>>completely undermines the administration’s case that its tariffs are legal.
not in the least ... every executive branch regulation also a tax
While regulatory compliance may be burdensome and costly, regulations are not taxes. They do not, in themselves, generate revenue. They are not extracting funds from the regulated.
Now, fines as penalties for failing to comply with regulations could, arguably, be considered taxes as they are revenue-generating transfers of funds to the government.
They do not, in themselves, generate revenue. They are not extracting funds from the regulated.
This is exactly Sauer's argument in defense of tariffs that still, equally, refutes Madison. If regulations aren't taxes because they only incidentally raise revenue, then emergency tariffs that only incidentally raise revenues aren't taxes either.
In fact, this has been the specific and repeated argument against regulation and The Commerce Clause up to and including the creation of the "penaltax".
To fail to grasp this dichotomy or act like it elides some issue or illuminates some truth is a pretty historically ignorant (including fairly recently) buffoonery.
So?
Really don't see how this supports Jacks case. If the IEEPA allows the executive to regulate trade and if as Madison clearly says the power to raise taxes and duties are included in the power to regulate trade then the administration is correct that it has the power to use tariffs or taxes or whatever you want to call it to regulate trade. I may very well be missing something here so I'm open to different interpretation.
A letter from one person, even an important one, in 1828 about the Constitution does not define a phrase in a 1977 law.
It defines a concept in the original documents. Applicable to later laws. Until the original is properly altered.
Just for the record I don't want to hear from gray boxes.
Revenue tariffs are taxes.
Protectionist tariffs are regulation.
What's the difference?
Revenue tariffs must be small enough that people will pay them. The last thing revenue tariffs are supposed to do is manipulate prices. Ideally consumer behavior does not change, and people pay the taxes when they buy the imports.
Protectionist tariffs must be high enough that people don't pay them. The first thing protectionist tariffs are supposed to do is manipulate prices. Ideally consumer behavior changes, and people don't pay the taxes because they don't buy the imports.
Understanding this requires a basic understanding of economics. So I imagine three or four people in the comments understand this, and at least one will attack me because he's trying to show off to Jesse.
Jesse, the guy who lives rent free in your pointed head?
Tariffs are a tax by another name on the importation of a good.
No matter their size or intended consequence.