'We Proudly Make Things Here': California Distillery Owner Says SCOTUS Should Dump Trump's Tariffs
Scenes from a trade war
Melkon Khosrovian recalls waiting for a shipment of bottles that were due to arrive amid the mad rush that marked the days before President Donald Trump's tariffs took effect.
He remembers doing the math, too.
"We don't have any control over when they clear [customs], and our taxes would have been $10,000 more," if the container holding his bottles didn't make it before the deadline, explains Khosrovian, who co-owns the Greenbar Distillery in Los Angeles. "In the meantime, we're sitting here chewing our fingernails and wondering what's going on."
What a difference a day makes.
Khosrovian, an Armenian immigrant, founded the distillery with his wife more than two decades ago. Theirs may not be the sort of business typically regarded as blue-collar work, but Greenbar is essentially the same as any other American manufacturing firm. Khosrovian must buy equipment and raw materials, then use them to produce new goods that he distributes down the supply chain.
And like many other American manufacturers, he says Greenbar has suffered from Trump's tariffs, which have made that equipment and those raw materials more expensive.
"We're making American products, you know, selling American products, but it involves some parts that come from abroad," Khosrovian told Reason in an interview on Monday. That includes the Bulgarian juniper berries that form the backbone of Greenbar's gin and the various spices that add flavor to its premixed cocktails.
"Taxing that stuff just means that we're weakened as a company," he adds.
Greenbar is one of more than 700 small businesses that have joined the We Pay The Tariffs coalition, which is backed by the Trade Partnership, a pro-trade think tank. Last week, that coalition filed an amicus brief with the U.S. Supreme Court—one of dozens of such briefs filed by a wide range of interested parties including businesses, economists, and more than 200 members of Congress—urging the justices to uphold lower court rulings that called Trump's tariffs unlawful.
The tariffs, which were "imposed without legal authority and with no public participation, comment, or even sufficient notice," represent "an existential threat to survival" for many small businesses, the group argues in its brief.
The Trump administration argues that the president has nearly unchecked authority to impose tariffs thanks to the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), a 1977 law Trump has invoked repeatedly since returning to office this year. Critics point out that the IEEPA statute does not even contain the word "tariff" and has never been used in this way. Lower courts have ruled that the president does not have unlimited tariff powers, even when invoking those emergency powers.
It will be those thorny legal matters that decide the fate of Trump's tariffs when the Supreme Court hears the case next week. However, small business owners like Khosrovian offer a reminder of what's at stake in the case.
Higher costs from tariffs have forced Khosrovian to look into automating part of Greenbar's bottling process to save money, which would mean laying off some of the staff who handle that now, he says. In the competitive market for craft booze, that's a better option than raising prices and losing market share.
In addition to making it more expensive for American distilleries to make booze, tariffs are also reducing sales abroad. Exports of American spirits fell 9 percent year-over-year in the second quarter, according to data from the Distilled Spirits Council of the United States, a trade association.
"Persistent trade tensions are having an immediate and adverse effect on U.S. spirits exports," Chris Swonger, president and CEO of DISCUS, said in a statement earlier this month. "There's a growing concern that our international consumers are increasingly opting for domestically produced spirits or imports from countries other than the U.S., signaling a shift away from our great American spirits brands."
The Trump administration believes it must punish American companies like Greenbar Distillery in order to solve the perceived threat of a trade imbalance. When you get right down to it, however, the execution of this policy appears somewhat ridiculous. Can empty whiskey bottles or imported juniper berries realistically be called a threat that requires such sweeping executive powers? Is forcing Khosrovian to pay higher taxes going to accomplish anything?
"We proudly make things here, and we want to keep making more things here," Khosrovian says. "Running a business normally is tough. Running a business where you don't even know what things cost from day to day makes it doubly hard."
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every time you do this I wonder whether you've seen Star Trek II
Why not buy domestic Juniper berries? There is nothing magical about Bulgarian junipers
Why not buy whatever you think is the best ingredient for your product? There are lots of kinds of juniper.
There may be a good national security argument for not depending on China for tech products, but there certainly is no such argument for sourcing flavorings for high end gin.
Having a choice of ingredients can be a tonic for monotony.
Because markets have never been free and unregulated and will continue to not be free or unregulated by allowing simple exceptions for small areas of a market.
Do the Bulgarian farmers face the same regulatory structure as domestic ones? If not the market is already manipulated.
This is my entire issue with this topic. The focus on never responding. Zero focus on leveling regulatory policies. The latter would be far more beneficial for everyone. Instead a sole focus on the former.
If Bulgarian juniper is cheaper because of lower refgulatory burden, then the way to deal with that is to reduce the burdens on US producers, not to further manipulate markets to even things out. If they are somehow subsidizing their producers, I don't really have a problem with Americans taking advantage of that. Ideally they should be able to buy from wherever they think they can get what best suits their purposes.
I can understand the problems of depending so much on an adversary like China for so much. But we differ on how to deal with that. The exceptions to the rule should be in the places where there are legitimate national security concerns, or egregious subsidies designed to corner certain markets or completely kill foreign competition. Otherwise maximize Americans' freedom to trade, even if the markets aren't completely free or unmanipulated.
If Bulgarian juniper is cheaper because of lower refgulatory burden
Is he using his "you ignore regulations" strawman again?
Jesse doesn't understand that comparative advantage includes things like taxes, subsidies and regulatory environments. So he accuses people who take that into account of ignoring it.
And you still misrepresent comparative advantage. Comparative advantage is the ability to produce something at a lower opportunity cost than another producer. Taxes, subsidies, and regulatory burdens do not, in fact, reduce opportunity costs. They shift them around and/or hide them, and might even increase them, but they do not reduce them.
This is not to say that a heavily subsidized product doesn't have a market advantage, but it is misleading to call that comparative advantage.
Economists would disagree and politicians would agree.
then the way to deal with that is to reduce the burdens on US producers
You mean, like, going around Congress to abolish the EPA and/or Department of Education?
One related question:
Khosrovian, an Armenian immigrant, founded the distillery with his wife more than two decades ago.
Did the Khosrovians vote for or against Prop 12 which went into effect in 2024?
Did the Khosrovians vote for or against Prop 12 which went into effect in 2024?
Nevermind, I'm pretty sure I have my answer.
No wonder he is struggling.
Oh look. Coastal CA [D]'s who vote endlessly for others FREE ponies are complaining that.....
They don't like paying Taxes.
All their goods have to be 0% Taxed.
The tariffs are terrible policy. That does not make them automatically unlawful. Congress has spent a century delegating away their authority with vague language that grants too much discretion to the executive branch. If you want these abuses rolled back, the proper fix is in Congress. Lobby for changes to the underlying laws and make Congress do their damned jobs.
Mind you, I would love a court decision that those delegations of authority were an unconstitutional violation of the separation of powers doctrine. But I do not think the courts are nearly ready to go that far.
No one said that tariffs are automatically bad and that's what makes them unlawful. That's a strawman.
The issue is that the law Trump is invoking to impose tariffs (with imaginary emergencies, but that's another issue) does not contain the word "tariff" and has never been used for that purpose.
Did you even read the article before attacking the author?
attacking the author?
Did you reply to the wrong post?
I don’t think the courts have even been asked to review the constitutionality of these delegations of power.
Would it matter? Courts have no enforcement mechanism.
Would it matter? Yes, even if just marginally taking the underlying excuse the executive branch has had for being able to do all these things over the last 100 years.
Would it be enforced? I know you’re more pessimistic on the administration, but so far it has abided by SC rulings, even if bitching and moaning about it all over the place, so I think it would do so here and then pivot to try and find a work around or alternative path.
Unfortunately, we’ll never know because Rosssmi is 100% right that they will never go that far. The best we would get would be Robert’s saying something along the lines of “Congress made their bed and it’s up to them to unmake it.”
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Bring back well adjusted biden guy.
Anyone else see a business opportunity here?
Sounds like he is unaware of supply chain logistics, supply chain risk, and is solely dependent on factors he doesn't control. Seems like bad planning.
Unaware or... like any good Californian leftist, deliberately dishonest and maliciously stupid, see the "Carbon Negative" comment below.
We couldn't get our religiously sanctioned bottles from any pagan devils in The West so we have to have them Carbonally Neutrally shipped from overseas. Trump's deregulation didn't make it any cheaper because of coal-burning pagan Westerners, but his tariffs did hurt our 3rd-tier boutique distillery that we operate out of the most overhyped city in the most overhyped state in the country pretty hard.
Anyone else see a business opportunity here?
You mean other than the 15,831st local distillery?
Higher costs from tariffs have forced Khosrovian to look into automating part of Greenbar's bottling process to save money, which would mean laying off some of the staff who handle that now, he says.
Lies. Trump and his defenders have made it clear that tariffs are free money. They don't cost a thing. Layoffs are a cost. So these business owners are lying. It's the only explanation. They were going to lay those people off anyway and are just blaming the tariffs like a bunch of filthy leftists. Because tariffs are free money. Trump said so.
Now let us pray.
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Change 'Trump' to 'Democrats' and 'Tariffs' to 'Benefits' and you've got it.
Democrats and their defenders have made it clear that Government-Gimme benefits comes from free money. They don't cost a thing.
...are just blaming the tariffs like a bunch of filthy leftists. Because "Government-Gimme benefits" are free money. Democrats said so.
Red herrings are red.
Leftard Self-Projection.
A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question.
...like why Taxes/Tariffs have to exist in the first place.
*whoosh*
Didnt you used to be pro automation. Pr are you now for make work planning?
One wonders if his "shipyard friends" approved of his pro-automation views.
"'We Proudly Make Things Here': California Distillery Owner Says SCOTUS Should Dump Trump's Tariffs"
If they make things here, the tariffs have no effect.
As the actual article points out, they get stuff from foreign countries; not all made here.
(idle thought: can any federal court rule when the government is shut down?)
Are you kidding?
Almost all your 'made-in-America' goods have some parts that come from other countries.
People's jobs in factories in the U.S.A depend on getting some of the supply chain from outside the U.S. Trump in his all-knowingness has given *no* time to manufacturers in the U.S. to move their whole supply chain to internal-to-america sources. There are some things like integrated circuits with very advance manufacturing, which will take a long, long, time to move the supply chain.
Somebody with a brain who wanted to encourage more U.S. manufacturing would have figured out a way to phase requirements to move supply chains. They way Trump has done it, costs are increased rapidly for manufacturers and consumers stimulating inflation.
When you cant use broad based economic information for national policy analysis, find small edge cases instead. The reason comms major economist way.
What you must never do, however, is talk to a business owner harmed by foreign tariffs, regulstions, theft, etc. Because that would invalidate your bumper sticker thesis.
Who does this shit work on?
Sarc
By the way Boehm...
What has a higher cost here. The tariffs or California's regulatory scheme? Any curiosity on that question?
What has a higher cost here.
Is The Khosrovian's unicorn shit ideology not an option? How about market saturation? How about the fact that fewer and fewer young people are drinking? Are we allowed to consider those as factors?
Bill Clinton bankrupted my small business when he rammed through most favored trading status for China. But it was just creative destruction and I got zero sympathy. Least of all from libertarians. Every second of every day somebody's ox is getting gored. Shit happens.
Let's say this company does the patriotic thing and starts buying bottles and berries from American factories and farms. Which factories and farms? Either existing farms and factories are going to have to increase capacity, or new farms and factories are going to be built. This is going to require people and resources that are currently being used to produce other things. What should be diverted into bottle and berry production? After all, we're talking about finite resources here. What should we make less of and grow less of to satisfy this new demand? I can already hear tariff defenders shouting "Make the unemployed do it!" Ok, let's say that every unemployed person is now being forced to work at gunpoint. Consumers are still going to be importing stuff and protectionists are still going to be mad about it. How do we produce that stuff? What do we produce less of? Any of you tariff defenders ever think of that?
Ya. I think about that every-time I see how many are sucking the welfare-tit ... Next excuse.
You are an insult to intelligence.
The tariffs might be good or bad — it really doesn’t matter. The issue isn’t policy, it’s authority. IEEPA doesn’t grant any power to lay or collect duties. Every lawful tariff runs through Title 19 – Customs Duties, where 19 U.S.C. § 1505 governs collection. IEEPA, in Title 50 – War and National Defense, Chapter 35, has no mechanism or cross-reference that I could find. There’s simply no statutory path to collect what Congress never authorized to impose.
If Congress had intended tariffs under IEEPA, they’d probably live in Title 19, alongside sections like 2132 (Section 122), 1862 (Section 232), and 2411 (Section 301), with Title 50, Chapter 34, supplying the emergency trigger. That’s how Congress structured authority: Title 19 handles customs duties, while Title 50, Chapter 34, governs the regulation of national emergencies. The absence of any such cross-reference is the clearest sign tariffs were never meant to be part of IEEPA’s toolset.
And... here it is:
Yeah, you're part of the problem. Go fuck yourselves.
But they're cool with slave labor overseas. Go figure.
clean farmland and groundwater and prevent adding artificial fertilizers
Virtually every food poisoning death in The West for the last 20+ yrs. is directly traceable to natural fertilizers. Artificial fertilizers are amicrobial and inorganic to begin with and, usually in the forms produced, shipped, and used, anti-microbial.
They don't want a free market. They want a market slanted in their favor.
So wait, they help the environment by getting bottles and berries shipped from halfway around the world?
And this is, and I make this point as a consumer, setting aside the fact that they sell no-shit poison as a product.
It's like Zyn packets with nicotine from sustainably-farmed Vietnamese tobacco plants.
Reminds me of Greta eating bananas while in Denmark. The food miles on those bananas…
https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-picture-of-greta-thunberg-having-food-in-front-of-poor-kids-is-morphed-1770262-2021-02-17
The pic in the window is fake (mildly funny, but fake).
So many people suffering so badly Boehm can only spotlight one a month . . .
But it's interesting how he continually focuses on producers. It's the same tactic taken by *pro-mercantilists* - ignore consumers.