Maybe AI Therapists Will Suck. That Doesn't Mean We Should Ban Them.
It is possible to be both skeptical of the supposed effectiveness of AI therapy and wary of sweeping state regulations.
Artificial intelligence is evolving fast. Large language models such as ChatGPT and Gemini can write papers and code, make quirky art, and attempt deep research and complex problem-solving. Now, AI is venturing into a more personal role: therapist.
With loneliness on the rise and many Americans struggling with mental health, entrepreneurs such as Danniel Cahn, co-founder and CEO of Slingshot AI, which created the AI therapy program Ash, argue that AI can help when traditional therapy is inaccessible.*
"Hey, Ash, our conversation earlier was super helpful. The thought's still there, but it's not bothering me nearly as much as it was before," Cahn says into his phone in a video demonstrating the tool's therapeutic know-how.*
"I'm glad to hear," a calming female voice replies. "That's the power of cognitive diffusion. The thought didn't disappear, but you got a little distance from it. You're not your thoughts, you're the observer of them."
A new startup called friend has recently shipped out its $129 wearable AI companions, currently only available on iPhones. The device resembles an AirTag on a necklace and monitors users' thoughts and feelings by listening to conversations and surroundings via its microphone, then texts responses like a real-world friend.
Outside the tech world, many people are alarmed at the number of users who go to AI models for life advice. "To the AI, the patient typing into the box is always reasonable, always doing their best, and always deserving of a gold star," author Derek Thompson wrote in an August newsletter on AI therapists. "By contrast, a good therapist knows that their patients are sometimes unreasonable, occasionally not doing anything close to their best, and even deserving of a smack upside the head."
The suggestion that AI models could serve a therapeutic role for some users has caused a legal backlash. In August, Illinois Democratic Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed a law banning AI models from being used in "therapeutic decision-making." While the law was ostensibly designed to protect patients from subpar treatment at the hands of inhuman AI models, Pritzker signaled that protecting therapists from competition was also a factor: "This will protect patients from unregulated and unqualified AI products, while also protecting the jobs of Illinois' thousands of qualified behavioral health providers," reads his press release announcing the law.
It's not clear how the new law will actually protect vulnerable people struggling with untreated mental health problems. While there's reason to be skeptical that AI mental health interventions are likely to work, no clear evidence indicates that they're dangerous enough to merit state bans.
"While multiple officials in Illinois have exclaimed how the state's new restriction against AI therapy tools will protect public safety, none mentioned how many people there currently go untreated due to scarcity and cost," says Greg Beato, co-author of Superagency: What Could Possibly Go Right with Our AI Future. "This regulation clearly protects the mental health establishment. But whether it serves people stuck on long waiting lists or those who never even bother to seek treatment because of access and affordability issues is another question entirely."
It is possible to be both skeptical of the supposed effectiveness of AI therapy and skeptical of sweeping state regulations. Americans are spending less and less time in physical contact with one another; it seems ill-considered that the solution could be more time spent in the digital world. Yet even traditional therapy is not always an unalloyed good. One Australian study that divided teenagers into two groups—enrolling them in a therapy group or a typical health class—found that the participants who received therapy ultimately reported worse mental health than those who didn't.
Even if an AI program is designed to give good advice, to push users away from cognitive distortions and narcissistic thinking, it still lacks something a real therapist has—a human touch. When we're feeling lonely and upset, we want good advice, sure, but we also want someone who can really listen to us—something an AI isn't able to do. Yet.
*CORRECTION: A previous version of this article misidentified Daniel Cahn.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "The AI Therapist Will See You Now."
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Who has liability when the ai therapist encourages some psychizo to burn down the dentist office because he's putting the tooth fairy out of business? Does anyone monitor these chats to make sure everything is cool?
It's one thing if a lonely woman needs therapy because she's sad that life isn't as perfect as they see on instagram. It's another if the voices in someone's head is telling them that the dark elf needs him to free everyone's livers from their bodies.
Who has liability when the HUMAN therapist encourages some psychizo to burn down the dentist office because he's putting the tooth fairy out of business? Does anyone monitor these chats to make sure everything is cool?
So Your PervFected Final Solution is to have all "therapy" monitored?
Good to know that fascist snoops swill be fascist snoops!!! All Hail the fascist snoops!!!
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If these stop making me smile, I'll let you know. (Don't wait up.)
>dark elf needs him to free everyone's livers from their bodies.
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO!?
I hear voices, but they are speaking Spanish - - - - - -
I cun't hear the voices and vices saying that "Government Almighty LOVES me, MORE than I can EVER know"!!!
Unlike Trumpaloos, Trumpistas, and RePoopLicKKKunts twat large, I IGNORE these song-singing, ding-a-long sing-along songs!!!
DeSatan… SPEAKS to me! Get Thee behind me, DeSatan!
Scienfoology Song… GAWD = Government Almighty’s Wrath Delivers
DeSatan loves me, This I know,
For DeSatan tells me so,
Little ones to GAWD belong,
We are weak, but GAWD is strong!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan loves me, yes indeed,
Makes the illegal sub-humans bleed,
Protects me for geeks and freaks,
I LOVE to pay taxes, till my wallet squeaks!
PUNISH Disney, I’ll PAY for their pains,
Ass long ass DeSatan Blesses our gains!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
DeSatan expels the low-lifes to Venus,
Moves them ANYWHERE, with His Penis!
His Penis throbs with His Righteousness,
Take no heed, He says, of His Frighteousness!
ALL must be PUNISHED, they say!
So never, EVER be or say gay!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
Our USA taxes must PAY The Way, He may say,
To EXPORT the illegal Mars aliens, every day!
To Pluto, Jupiter, or Uranus, they must ALL go!
Oh, the places that the low-lifes will go, you must know!
The taxes we shall pay? Through the money, we must BLOW!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
Yes, DeSatan loves me!
DeSatan tells me so!
(If we did NOT do-doo, doo-doo-doo, ALL of this, then that them thar illegal Mars aliens WILL show up on OUR doors, in the formerly pure USA!!! We MUST keep them AWAY, far away, out in the Deep Dark Yonder!)
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
DeSatan tis of Thee,
Sweet Man of tyranny!
From every mountainside,
You can smell Him for free!
DeLand where de eagles glide!
DeLand where de illegals hide!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
To the liberals, tears You bring!
You make the proggies cry!
Talk with THEM?! Don’t even try!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I praise!
For the woke, Holy Hell You raise!
Illegal Martians? Low-life scum, You catch and send,
To Uranus with them! Ignore tax dollars You spend!
We must punish ALL, who to USA might sail,
At ALL costs, DeSatanism MUST prevail!
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
Let’s “Chat” some more!
To the tune of "America the Beautiful"
DeSatan, tis of Thee,
The Great One, who reigns supreme,
With His mighty hand,
He rules across the land,
His power we cannot flee!
DeSatan, tis of Thee I laud,
For punishing the "woke" fraud,
He silences their cries,
And exposes all their lies,
His wrath they cannot defraud.
DeSatan, tis of Thee I sing,
His justice makes the heavens ring,
With His righteous might,
He vanquishes the night,
To His glory we all shall cling.
DeSatan, tis of Thee I adore,
For sending the aliens offshore,
To Uranus they will go,
And there they shall know,
That DeSatan's power reigns forevermore.
DeSatan, tis of Thee we'll pay,
Our taxes for His righteous way,
To export the "low-lifes",
To far-off planets and strife,
DeSatanism shall never sway!
#MeInTheAss’CauseI’maGullibleLowBrowBlowHardConTard
#BeenTrumpledUnderfootForFarTooLong
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There is the noticeable truth that while artificial intelligence is impressive, it is not all that intelligent and very subject to the conventional wisdom of whatever it learned from. It does not think in actuality.
Healthcare by reddit trained AI surely wont lead to issues.
Hi there Jacob,
I’m Clippy the Therapist. I see you are writing a new TDS addled article for a CUCLL periodical.
Would you like some help with the article?
Would you like some help with your TDS?
- Clippy 2.0
Clippy coined that!
The impressiveness of artificial intelligence is actually how much work people do that is really not that intelligent.
It's been kinda self-evident for decades that the "hack" of The Turing Test is intelligence of the human(s) involved. For lots and lots of people, ELIZA was effectively sentient.
Eliza Doolittle? That dumb bitch could barely speak English. And she didn't even know that the rain in Spain falls mainly in the north.
Still, I'd hit it. Sentient or not.
"One Australian study that divided teenagers into two groups—enrolling them in a therapy group or a typical health class—found that the participants who received therapy ultimately reported worse mental health than those who didn't."
Yes, shit is called belly-aching, whining, moaning, helpless cry-babying, prima donna-ing, and subtly narcissistic shit-is-never-my-faulting, and most therapists encourage shit, so that they can make more money!!! There there now!
THIS is why I, the Robo-SQRLSY-Therapist, try my BEAST to encourage ALL of the psychotically deranged posters right HERE, to ALWAYS seek MORE sex, rape-sex, lies-sex, and of course MORE MORE MORE power, 'cause they are CLEARLY being tortured by all of the "normies" AND Yea Verily, by the entire UNIVERSE!!! There there now!
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Therapy is considered medical care. If AI is used that way it should be properly tested and certified as a medical device. We would not trust tech bros to build a pacemaker and let them sell it without proper testing.
And for those who will cry about government regulation: We regulate medical devices and medications because before companies would sell medications and devices that were ineffective and/or dangerous. Let's not relearn that again the hard way.
More testing needed!
I stopped talking to my imaginary friends when I was four, Emma.
"I'm glad to hear," a calming female voice replies.
That isn't therapy. That's affirmation. It's the exact opposite of therapy, and it's what tens of millions of "therapists" in scented candle filled rooms piping in waterfall noises use to bilk "patients" out of money while offering them literally nothing in return.
It's frankly amazing to me how many people don't kill their therapists. Because, given what those therapists do and say to people - you'd think that'd happen a lot more often. But I guess said patients really like hearing an fake friend telling them everything they want to hear.
Therapists. Pssh. The Rapists.
I believe Steven Wright tackled the subject of patients going after their therapists in The Appointments of Dennis Jennings
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pChbz60L4pE
I swear to god, I thought I was the only person on the planet that has seen that movie
"Large language models such as ChatGPT and Gemini can write papers and code, make quirky art, and attempt deep research and complex problem-solving."
And be wrong in every area - - - - -
(just for the record: it is not artificial, it is real, and it is not intelligence, it is programming)
Maybe prevent it from accessing Canadian sources?
Have you thought about killing yourself?
Maybe you should give killing yourself some thought.
Can I help you make an appointment for assistance in dying?
When I read the first two lines, I thought you were making a suggestion to Emma.
*Maybe prevent it from accessing Canadian sources?
Have you thought about killing yourself (Emma)?*
Maybe you were, maybe you weren't. It works both ways.
I knew that Eeyore was sad and blue... Butt now pathetic and EVIL too?!?!?
This is a sad, sad day!!!
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant, serpent, and slurp-pants (pants-slurper) of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Whose tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
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To br clear. This isn't advice. This is an example of Canada's future state run mental health care bot.
Emma, given that chatbots - and all an AI therapist is is a chatbot - have been driving people insane and even into killing themselves . . . yeah, some oversight, even a ban on 'therapeutic' use might be in order
>and attempt deep research and complex problem-solving
Uh, no they can not. Like, not at all. AI never does research. At most it trawls through already existing research. And often it just makes up findings.
>Parikh says into his phone in a video demonstrating the tool's therapeutic know-how.
That does not demonstrate any such thing. WTF - did you use a chatbot to write this?
el oh el.
Is this 'female voice' more female than say, the voice of Lea Thomas when he strips down in the female changing room? Less female, or exactly the same female?
I'm stunned at how quickly the vertical-id having Reason staff has been bamboozled by a [sophisticated] regurgitation machine.
Why did the creators of the app make the voice sound female? It's almost that choice by the creators itself opens up a whole bouquet of questions about how it'll be trained, who trained it, what model they trained it on and how it will "learn" the first time a patient says, "I believe I'm St. Jerome, trapped in the wrong body".
I'm reminded of the Reason ChatGPT-as-chef article: I asked Chatgpt for a Hungarian Goulash recipe. What I got was neither Hungarian, nor Goulash, but it was still pretty great!
So I guess we've pivoted to: I asked ChatGPT for clinical advice on my depression, what I got was nether clinical nor advice, but it was pretty great!
Goulash is yummy. Sometimes I forget to put it away and critters attempt to steal it. Just last week this happened, and I booed a pest trying to eat my food.
He was probably Hungary.
Yes, medical quackery that harms people should be banned. I know that's not the libertarian "caveat emptor" position.
Before one decides to seek mental health counseling from AI, ask yourself if you believe AI can show/understand and engage with you empathetically and in a nonjudgmental way while maintaining confidentiality (keeping in mind Tarasoff).