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Trump Administration

Did the U.S. Just Kill a Random Fisherman?

Plus: Karl Marxing my neighborhood, No Kings, the limits of tariff revenue, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 10.20.2025 9:30 AM

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Submarine struck: Colombian President Gustavo Petro has accused the U.S. of murdering one of his people—an innocent fisherman—in a strike intended for boats carrying drugs and narcotraffickers.

This accusation angered President Donald Trump, who responded by ratcheting up tariffs on Colombia and slashing foreign assistance.

"US government officials have committed a murder and violated our sovereignty in territorial waters," wrote Petro on X. "Fisherman Alejandro Carranza had no ties to the drug trade and his daily activity was fishing. The Colombian boat was adrift and had its distress signal up due to an engine failure. We await explanations from the US government."

Funcionarios del gobierno de los EEUU han cometido un asesinato y violado nuestra soberanía en aguas territoriales

El pescador Alejandro Carranza no tenía vínculos con el narco y sus actividad diaria era pescar.

La lancha colombiana estaba la deriva y con la señal de avería…

— Gustavo Petro (@petrogustavo) October 19, 2025

"President Gustavo Petro, of Colombia, is an illegal drug leader strongly encouraging the massive production of drugs, in big and small fields, all over Colombia. It has become the biggest business in Colombia, by far, and Petro does nothing to stop it, despite large scale payments and subsidies from the USA that are nothing more than a long term rip off of America," wrote Trump on Truth Social. "AS OF TODAY, THESE PAYMENTS, OR ANY OTHER FORM OF PAYMENT, OR SUBSIDIES, WILL NO LONGER BE MADE TO COLOMBIA. The purpose of this drug production is the sale of massive amounts of product into the United States, causing death, destruction, and havoc. Petro, a low rated and very unpopular leader, with a fresh mouth toward America, better close up these killing fields immediately, or the United States will close them up for him, and it won't be done nicely. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

Petro is indeed an ally of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro and a former Marxist guerilla fighter. He and Trump have sparred before, when Petro tried to refuse deportation flights of his own nationals earlier this year.

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But a pattern is emerging of possibly innocent victims being killed by the boat strikes. Over the last few weeks, at least 32 people have been killed by the U.S. via seven strikes on boats allegedly carrying drugs in the Caribbean. Carranza isn't the only innocent believed to have been killed; the family of 26-year-old Trinidadian fisherman Chad Joseph claims he's gone missing and that they believe one of the boat strikes likely killed him (along with his neighbor, a man called Samaroo).

The first boat attack, which killed 11 and was carried out on September 2, killed eight people from the Venezuelan town of San Juan de Unare. Soon after, "Venezuelan security officials descended on San Juan de Unare, cut off the electricity and made clear that public pronouncements about the attacks were not welcome, according to four townspeople, including the niece of one of the victims. Posts were deleted," reports= The New York Times. "The wife of one of the people, who lived in Güiria, a town also on the Venezuelan coast, told The New York Times on the condition that her name not be published that her husband, a fisherman, had gone to work one day and had never returned."

Meanwhile, last week's strike—the sixth of this kind conducted by the U.S. in the Caribbean—ended up injuring one Colombian man, 34-year-old Jeison Obando Pérez, along with an Ecuadorian national. Both men were "aboard a semi-submersible that was blown up Thursday" yet they survived and were rescued and treated by U.S. forces. ("Obando Pérez was repatriated Saturday and hospitalized in Colombia with brain trauma and breathing on a ventilator, Armando Benedetti, Colombia's minister of the interior, said in a social media posting on Saturday night," per the Times. "Once he is awake, he will be 'processed by the justice system for drug trafficking,' Mr. Benedetti said.")

A few scenarios are possible. One is that the U.S. really is striking narcotraffickers, and that either their families don't know their dead relatives are narcotraffickers or are obfuscating. Another possibility is that the U.S. is striking innocent fisherman and calling them narcotraffickers. There could, of course, be a mix of smugglers and fishermen.

But the U.S. government is almost definitely acting illegally here. These people are not combatants. We don't know if they're affiliated with groups designated terrorist organizations. Congress has not approved these strikes, and Trump doesn't even appear to be seeking retroactive approval. When some senators did try to check Trump via the War Powers Act, it didn't go all that well. And rest assured that Petro, Maduro, and all other who stand to profit are going to keep milking this for all it's worth, using Trump's inevitable screw-ups as a means of distracting from their own misbehavior.


Scenes from New York: The brainworms are multiplying.

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— Liz Wolfe (@LizWolfeReason) October 20, 2025


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  • No Kings rallies were held this weekend all over America. It's not clear what they think will change due to their protesting, but I rest my case.

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  1. Chumby   6 hours ago

    No Kings Portland

    Man pretending to be a woman outside the Portland ICE facility on Saturday punches a pro-ICE activist.

    Michael Backes, the Trantifa militant revealed to be renting the U-Haul transporting riot supplies outside ICE.

    Portland Trantifa militant Michelle Paulette Backes, previously named Michael Patrick Backes. He works as a prostitute and has a criminal history in Texas. He uses the alias "Bunny Quinn." On his escort page, he charges $600 for a two-hour hotel room visit and says he only accepts cash.

    - Live Leak (videos there)

    Trantifa not sending their best?

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      Do you have a link to the ad for sarc?

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      1. Mother's Lament   1 hour ago

        Sarc was only gay to feed his addictions. It's not like he actually wanted to be blowing hobos behind the 7Eleven for a half a bottle of Boones Farm.

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      Still no memberships cards?

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      1. Chumby   5 hours ago

        The Bunny Quinn members apparently all use cash. No cards.

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      2. Vernon Depner   2 hours ago

        Maybe they're chipped.

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    3. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      Local news this morning had a 5 minute bit on The Voice with interview w/ Michael Buble. Obviously hyping their own network's show. When the No Kings coverage came on, complete with website listings and "How you can participate" graphics, the wife said "Seems like they're advertising it...was exactly the same as The Voice segment."

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    4. MollyGodiva   4 hours ago

      Are you pissed that his rates are too high or that he would not see you?

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      1. Chumby   3 hours ago

        To address your double question:

        (1) I don’t pay for sex.

        (2) I don’t have sex with men.

        Maybe the trantifa criminal would make an exception for you and accept EBT.

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    5. Outlaw Josey Wales   1 hour ago

      Come all without, come all within
      You'll not see nothing like the Bunny Quinn

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   6 hours ago

    Israel struck Gaza over the weekend.

    "They don't know what the fuck they're doing."

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    1. Chumby   6 hours ago

      Polymarket had wagers on this. I recall one option was “ceasefire ended before 31 Oct.”

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  3. Chumby   6 hours ago

    No Kings Chicago

    Young men show up to a ‘No Kings’ protest in Chicago to wave a Charlie Kirk flag.

    Chicago PD allegedly made them take the flag down after some protesters started losing their minds over it.

    “This is in Chicago Illinois west Beverly...Oh and let's mention chicago pd made me take my flag down,” the individual posted on IG.

    - Live Leak (videos there)

    Calling for violence against ICE? Sure.

    Memorializing an American assassinated by a trantifa member (that was cheered by thousands of mentally ill progressives)? That free speech will not be tolerated. I heard that Mr. Kirk debated college students!

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      Non leftist words are violence. Now hang up the trantifa flag bigot.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

        (To be complete:) And leftist violence is speech.

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        1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

          It's (D)ifferent.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

            Verified by Experts!

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      2. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

        Saw this earlier...a pride flag swastika?

        https://cdn.wionews.com/sites/default/files/2022/06/28/274744-laurence-fox.jpg

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        1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 hours ago

          Transtika?

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

            Swishtika?

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            1. Chumby   3 hours ago

              Produced in a factory that used to have nuts.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

      People should, of course, be armed to protect themselves. I find Don Lemon's admonitions to be a tad more offensive than defensive.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/don-lemon-telling-people-to-arm-themselves-against-ice-sparks-maga-fury/ar-AA1OFOLE

      The journalist and former CNN anchor had suggested on podcast The Left Hook with Wajahat Ali that “Black people, brown people of all stripes” should “legally” get a gun in case their homes were visited. He also added he was “not condoning or promoting violence.”

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      1. Chumby   4 hours ago

        Lemon sours on orangemanbad?

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      2. mad.casual   4 hours ago

        Poor, urban kids are just as bright and just as capable of needing F-18s and nuclear weapons to defend themselves from the government as white kids.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

          Yeah, but the ghetto kids keep flying their F-18s sideways and crashing.

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          1. Jefferson Paul   3 hours ago

            LOL

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    3. Mother's Lament   1 hour ago

      "Chicago PD allegedly made them take the flag down after some protesters started losing their minds over it"

      So the guys waving a flag and not the shitheads getting violent over it are the ones asked to leave.

      This is just like the British cops banning Jews from places so as not to upset the violent antisemites, instead beating the bigots about head with their truncheons.

      I wonder if they'd ban trannies from protesting outside some sort of Christian event because they Christians might get violent. Lol.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   6 hours ago

    ...the incident was caused by an Israeli settler bulldozer running over unexploded ordnance — contradicting Netanyahu's claim that Hamas had popped up from tunnels.

    I've been trying to get a settler bulldozer to come and fix my country lane all summer.

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    1. Chumby   6 hours ago

      You’ll get Killdozer and you’ll be forced to like it.

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  5. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   6 hours ago

    Wow, that whole no kings thing really made some dramatic changes. Everything is so much better now. Glad they put in the time .

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    1. Chumby   6 hours ago

      No Kings = Thousand Boomer March

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

        Boomers, trannies, and Marxists. The modern Democratic Party.

        And actual parties when these groups get together must be a hoot.

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      They invented a time machine during the rally if you watch the media airing clips from 2017 and 2020.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

        Demanding that media use actual video from an actual event or date is racist!

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        1. Chumby   5 hours ago

          Bigots!

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  6. Chumby   6 hours ago

    King Trump Took a Dump

    Trump is the king of trolling double digit IQ collectivist mouth breathers:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/king-trump-79-takes-dump-on-protestors-in-bonkers-ai-video/

    A different kind of dirty bomb. SSqrlsy would appreciate the airlift of provisions.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      Harry Sisson was crying about being given a starring role in this.

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      1. Chumby   5 hours ago

        Did he refer to it as a smear campaign?

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        1. Ajsloss   5 hours ago

          Maybe not publicly, but he definitely wrote it in his diarrhea.

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          1. Chumby   5 hours ago

            He wants it wiped from the record.

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    2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Shitty video.

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    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      You know what other World Leader shared his bowel movements?

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

        Genghis John?

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      2. Chumby   5 hours ago

        Neville Chamberpot?

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      3. Ajsloss   4 hours ago

        Josef Stoolin?

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      4. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

        Joe Bidet?

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      5. Vernon Depner   2 hours ago

        Jerry Nadler?

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    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 hours ago

      Your iq estimate is an order of magnitude too high

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  7. Fist of Etiquette   6 hours ago

    ...since revenue generated by the federal government flows into the Treasury and Congress decides how that money gets doled out.

    USAID is back in business, baby!

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      Hey, they didn't mention CIA.

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  8. Chumby   6 hours ago

    Sportsball Riot

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/aston-villa-maccabi-ban-amsterdam-football-riot-b2847167.html

    A whole book of red cards needed to be handed out.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      "Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group – the body responsible for issuing safety certificates for every match at Villa Park – had issued the ban after West Midlands Police said they had classified the fixture as high risk."

      When women and beta-males take over society.

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  9. Fist of Etiquette   6 hours ago

    Department of Homeland Security buys a few new private jets for Secretary Kristi Noem, to the tune of $172 million.

    When Qatar is just giving them away for free???

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   6 hours ago

      But these have women’s rest rooms.

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      1. Chumby   6 hours ago

        The ones fitted for Transatlantic flights have urinals in the women’s rest rooms.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

          The mile-high club now has a surprise ending.

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    2. Anomalous   5 hours ago

      Why would she need more than one?

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

        Chicks like choices.

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        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 hours ago

          Different colors to match her flack jackets.

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  10. Chumby   6 hours ago

    Food for Thought

    It's starting, food is being labelled with your daily carbon allowance information, just a few weeks after Digital ID was announced.

    Because everything will be linked to your Digital ID, including your carbon allowance. Reach your allowance limit for the day/week/month, and your purchases will probably be rejected, until it resets.

    - Libertarian Media

    Obese things like Demjeff would be hardest hit should this occur stateside. They can lie to themselves about eating way too much food, but team shared collectivist reasoning carbon accountants won’t be fooled. Could be a means to help reel in the rampant socialized healthcare costs.

    Example labeling image at:

    https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2023/12/05/the-problem-with-current-carbon-labelling-rules-for-food/

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   6 hours ago

      This effort will no doubt make food more affordable as well.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

        Nobody needs 23 days of food.

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      How do various sex acts score on carbon allowance? Asking for a Reason editor.

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      1. Chumby   4 hours ago

        Some of those would peg the meter. Imagine there will be some pushback.

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      2. Rick James   4 hours ago

        As long as they're bought and paid for, there was no exploitation.

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    3. Mickey Rat   4 hours ago

      There is nothing that gets a social engineer more hot and bothered than a good old fashioned rationing program. It is why they love the WWII era.

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  11. Fist of Etiquette   6 hours ago

    No Kings rallies were held this weekend all over America.

    Yas, queens!

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   6 hours ago

    The brainworms are multiplying.

    I can't make the case that NYC deserves what it gets better than New Yorkers themselves make.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   6 hours ago

      The time to leave NYC is now.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

        Before we build the wall.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

          Escape From New York won’t just be a movie.

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    2. Zeb   5 hours ago

      I like the rope one because it acknowledges (perhaps accidentally) that no one will be making any more rope after the productive members of society are all killed.

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      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

        ^+1.

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      2. A Thinking Mind   2 hours ago

        And acknowledges that the only way the revolutionaries are going to get a rope is to buy it. Are they going to make it? Why would they even learn how to make rope when there's no money to be made in producing it? Eventually all surviving rope will deteriorate and never be replaced.

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  13. Use the Schwartz   6 hours ago

    "with a fresh mouth toward America"

    What the actual fuck?

    Wicked mad jib-jab son.

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    1. Chumby   6 hours ago

      Think that means Kamala won’t be team D’s 2028 candidate -or- perhaps this is just lip service.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

        We can't swallow that.

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  14. Longtobefree   6 hours ago

    "One is that the U.S. really is striking narcotraffickers, and that either their families don't know their dead relatives are narcotraffickers or are obfuscating. Another possibility is that the U.S. is striking innocent fisherman and calling them narcotraffickers."

    Yet another is that certain foreign governments are lying.

    How many "fishermen" actually use semi-submersibles?

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    1. Quicktown Brix   5 hours ago

      How many "fishermen" actually use semi-submersibles?

      The drone bombed semi-submersible and your logic are equally air tight.

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      All those bombs are just stirring up the naturally forming packaged drugs that get recovered.

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      1. Quicktown Brix   5 hours ago

        We only have reports of drugs being recovered from one of drone-bombed vessels.

        That vessel had neither the drug (cocaine rather than fentanyl) nor the destination (the Dominican Republic rather than the US) that Trump used to justify his policy of murder.

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    3. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      How many "fishermen" actually use semi-submersibles?

      They are after a certain sub-species of fish.

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      1. Longtobefree   4 hours ago

        Square grouper?

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    4. Vernon Depner   2 hours ago

      How many "fishermen" actually use semi-submersibles?

      Or Cigarette boats.

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  15. Medulla Oblongata   6 hours ago

    The headline reads like Ancient Aliens theories..."Is it possible that aliens built the pyramids?"

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      Cmon man. Humans built them. Using tools aliens gave them.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

        And all to send a message to that space alien guy stranded on Titan.

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    2. Jefferson Paul   2 hours ago

      Yes, but they were ancient, illegal aliens that built the pyramids.

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  16. Medulla Oblongata   6 hours ago

    "A few scenarios are possible."

    Taking a page from Hamas news reporters, next thing we know every person killed on these boats will turn out to have been a child with cancer.

    "And rest assured that Petro, Maduro, and all other who stand to profit are going to keep milking this for all it's worth"

    And there it is...

    P.S. Fishermen do not use semi-submersibles.

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    1. Quicktown Brix   5 hours ago

      P.S. Fishermen do not use semi-submersibles.

      Do they use boats?

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      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

        Did you have a point, smug piece of shit?

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        1. Quicktown Brix   5 hours ago

          Yes, a point that would be obvious to anyone not blinded by partisan bias.

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

            "...to anyone not blinded by partisan bias."

            Pretty self-referential this morning ain't we, smug piece of shit?

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            1. Quicktown Brix   3 hours ago

              Not "we", just you.

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        2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

          As usual his point is to push a dem narrative blindly.

          Like when it came out the illegal school superintendent was registered to vote and Mike claimed it was for local elections. He just blindly defended the narrative that defends the left. Despite evidence showing it was a federal election registration.

          https://thefederalist.com/2025/10/20/criminal-illegal-alien-who-ran-des-moines-schools-registered-as-maryland-voter/

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          1. Quicktown Brix   3 hours ago

            There's no such thing as a federal election registration.

            All I did was point out that where he registered, it was not illegal for him to do so. I have no problem maintaining the truth even if it happens to align with the left narrative (as it did in this case) instead of lying (as you did in this case).

            Blindly defending narratives? ...that's all you do.

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    2. mad.casual   5 hours ago

      P.S. Fishermen do not use semi-submersibles.

      Neither do narcotraffickers.

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      1. Social Justice is neither   4 hours ago

        Narcotraffickers don't have an interest in methods of them or their cargo going unnoticed?

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        1. mad.casual   48 minutes ago

          No. Narcotraffickers don't have an interest in circling fishing lanes with drag nets to slow them down.

          Like my analogy below, yes, ducks, flamingos, and pelicans all hang around the water, fly, and have webbed feet, but you wouldn't confuse a pelican for a duck just because a duck caught a fish.

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      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-submarine

        https://greydynamics.com/narco-submarines-guide-the-underwater-world-of-drug-trafficking/

        https://insightcrime.org/news/under-radar-what-hundreds-ofnarco-sub-seizures-tell-us-about-global-cocaine-routes/

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        1. mad.casual   52 minutes ago

          My fault for being unclear. I'm (poorly or too obtusely) trying to refute the false/backwards "duck typing" from both directions.

          Narcotraffickers don't use semi-submersibles to pull fishing nets or poles around fishing spots for hours at a time.

          The assertion that we're just blowing up boats based on shape is like worrying that your average duck hunter is shooting flamingos and pelicans because they all live in the water, fly, and have webbed feet.

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    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      Which means the boater genocide body count is now over 50,000.

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

        The boats only have 24 hours of fuel left.

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  17. JesseAz (RIP CK)   6 hours ago

    I often use a submersible for fishing. Just easier to cast lines under water.

    Also not sure how these drugs ended up around the submersible. Dominican Republic just has so much luck farming underwater drug crops.

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    1. mad.casual   5 hours ago

      The story is literally not-even-credible.

      The fishing submersible was in distress and had a 10 yr. old girl who was trying to get an abortion on board when Petro learned from Christine Blasey-Ford that it had been blown by the US drone that was somehow in the area.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

        Credible story - robby

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  18. Medulla Oblongata   6 hours ago

    "Scenes from New York: The brainworms are multiplying."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/left-greenlights-political-violence-on-eve-of-no-kings-revolts/ar-AA1OBFlM

    Nearly half of liberals and 60% of young leftists now agree that violence and law-breaking are OK if they don’t agree with the government, according to a new Cygnal poll shared with Washington Secrets.

    “The Left is admitting in surveys that they're more politically violent. In Cygnal's October national poll, 60% of young liberals said breaking the law is OK if you disagree with the government. And 41% of all liberals concurred. Only 14% of conservatives held this belief,” said Cygnal founder and pollster Brent Buchanan.

    The Democratic base is +7 over other segments in believing violence and conflict will continue. 41% believe that colleges and universities are teaching students that violence is a justifiable response to political disagreements.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      Next up: FAFO.

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    2. Vernon Depner   2 hours ago

      60% of young liberals said breaking the law is OK if you disagree with the government.

      And 100% of libertarians.

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  19. JesseAz (RIP CK)   6 hours ago

    Man arrested in UK for wearing star if David necklace near pro Palestine protest.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/10/british-police-allegedly-arrest-jewish-man-because-his-star-of-david-antagonized-protesters/

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

      Welcome to North Pakistan.

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  20. Use the Schwartz   5 hours ago

    "Israel struck Gaza over the weekend."

    Peace In Hour Time.

    Maybe Netanyahu slyly agreed to a "Sees Fire?"

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  21. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

    Solar farms make local areas 3-4 C warmer. Hmm... the cure and cause of global warming?

    https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35070

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    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

      I'd sure like to see an audit of the amount of power delivered to the grid from every (don't work often) "green" power source.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        And I'd like to see people who demand green power subsist only on green power. This includes all the goods and services they buy, er, consume.

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        1. BYODB   4 hours ago

          China would simply relabel all their goods as 'made with green energy' and demand you prove them wrong.

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      2. Rick James   4 hours ago

        Already been done.

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        1. mad.casual   4 hours ago

          It's not based on evidence. It's not based on science. It's based on wishful thinking. So if that's the case then what we have is people who are telling us to that we need to invest into this technology billions and billions of pounds but it's not based on any type of scientific fact. Yes correct and yeah you get people continuing to insist on certain things despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

          As someone who, in a discussion with multiple engineers on the topic of solar had to *prove* that FL was further south than CA, she doesn't say this with near enough layered hatred and disgust for the public education system.

          There aren't enough bats to hit enough people in the head to fix the damage lying, activist Marxism has done over the past 20-30 yrs.

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    2. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Most of the solar energy normally reflected back into space is instead captured and retained by the PV panels.

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      1. Neutral not Neutered   1 hour ago

        LOL

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  22. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

    Mustafa Barghouti
    "Netanyahu reactivated his genocidal war on Gaza..."

    Regardless of the number of times this asswipe (and JohnZ) lie about it, it is the Pals who wish to commit genocide on the Jews, not the other way around.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      "Our genocide is speech; their speech is genocide."

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    2. Mickey Rat   4 hours ago

      They apparently believe the land Israel stands on was Jew free before the 1940's and therefore Jewish Israelis are interlopers without rights to stay there.

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      1. Vernon Depner   2 hours ago

        Before the late 1800s, the land Israel is on was virtually free of Russians, Austrians, Germans, Ukrainians, Poles, Britons, etc., and therefore the Zionists were interlopers without rights to stay there.

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    3. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      Seriously, do people even stop to think? I'm pretty certain that if Israel wanted a genocide, Gaza would be sans populace right quick. Maybe Israel's genocide would go a lot quicker if they stopped blanketing areas with warning about impending actions to give civilians time to leave the area safely.

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    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 hours ago

      There is no palistienian genocide, but there should be

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  23. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

    Joe Biden's vetting included letting in Muslim who participated in October 7th.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/10/louisiana-man-accused-of-taking-part-in-october-7-massacre/

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    1. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Those were mostly peaceful kidnappings!

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  24. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

    "Israel struck Gaza over the weekend. "

    It was interesting that Egypt chose to keep the Rafah border crossing closed, even after the ceasefire started.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Damned Zionists in Cairo!

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  25. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago


    Christopher Sweat
    @SweatEm
    EXCLUSIVE: Yesterday in Chicago, on the perimeter of the NO KINGS rally, an activists speaking in front of a Progressive Labor Party sign exclaims, “You gotta grab a gun, we gotta turn around the guns on this fascist system. These ICE agents gotta get shot and wiped out. The same machinery that’s on full display right there has to get wiped out.”

    https://x.com/SweatEm/status/1979948400771481991

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    1. Chumby   5 hours ago

      False flag by Trump and Charlie Kirk, who is still in hiding.

      - Tony

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  26. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

    At least it isn't tariffs.

    Geiger Capital
    @Geiger_Capital
    Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson is now proposing a new "head tax" to fix the deficit after destroying their budget.

    All companies employing 100+ people in Chicago will have to pay a tax of $21 per employee per month, simply for having employees.

    A punishment for hiring people.

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    1. Chumby   5 hours ago

      What is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?

      - Thomas Sowell

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

        Molly didn't answer when I asked him.

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        1. Chumby   5 hours ago

          Demjeff's ChatLGBT says you are wrong.

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      2. mad.casual   5 hours ago

        The contrast between this quote and the Marx quote above is just astounding.

        One so simple and pointedly true made by such shining example and the other so obviously tortured, dull, and wrong by a privileged layabout.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

          But which one appeals to the typical 25-year-old child majoring in grievance studies supported by endless government loans and occasional cash infusions from mom, after dad threw him/her/they out of the house?

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    2. Longtobefree   4 hours ago

      So over twenty thousand a year in moving incentives?

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    3. Rick James   4 hours ago

      https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/how-amazon-helped-kill-a-seattle-tax-on-business/562736/

      Every retarded thing everywhere was first tried in Seattle years ago.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

        Chicago had a similar tax, but ended it a few years ago. "Former Mayor Rahm Emanuel repealed the prior version of the tax in 2011 after it proved ineffective and damaging to business recruitment and retention efforts."

        Let's Go Brandon wants to bring it back at 5x level (was $4, reduced to $2, then eliminated).

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        1. Chumby   3 hours ago

          Perhaps they will make it like the McRib and the Shamrock Shake, only available certain times of the year.

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  27. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

    Israel struck Gaza over the weekend. Here's some background:

    Sigh. How did i know reason would go straight to Hamas propaganda.

    The attacks near IDF included an anti tank weapon.

    “Earlier, an IED or anti-tank explosion struck near an IDF engineering vehicle in the same area,” the broadcaster added. “Reports from Gaza indicate the strikes targeted Hamas positions shortly after the terror group fired an anti-tank missile at IDF forces.”

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/10/after-attack-on-troops-israel-hits-hamas-terror-targets-in-gaza/

    This is more of the "they got something slightly wrong so ignore everything else" rationalization hamas propagandists rely on.

    And even if you dont believe that, Hamas has been rounding and killing gazans since the cease fire. So not an issue i guess?

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    1. mad.casual   5 hours ago

      Check me if I'm wrong, Sandy but even if it was "just an IED" that still falls in the 'illegal landmining'/'indiscriminate targeting of civilians' end of the "war crime/act of war" spectrum.

      "We want peace (except for that field that we "forgot" we mined)." is about as underhanded as it gets. SSDD for the 12th-Century, "convert by the sword", non-uniform combatants that the post-enlightenment "Which way are you supposed to point the rifle?" media likes to play favorites for.

      Sure, they just blew up some no-name bulldozer driver that could've just as easily have been a school bus or some kids playing soccer for all the IED knows, but that's the price of peace with Palestine.

      Fucking ghouls.

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    2. Minadin   5 hours ago

      Ryan Grim isn't a reliable source on many topics, but particularly not this one.

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    3. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

      Which one to believe, Hamas propaganda or MAGA propaganda?

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      1. Rick James   4 hours ago

        I think this is where we agree to disagree, and just go with Hamas propaganda.

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

          How about... neither? Is that an option?

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          1. Dillinger   3 hours ago

            no universe exists where hamas propaganda and maga propaganda are on some even field.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 hours ago

              They're not on an even field, but they are both propaganda.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 hours ago

                And what do you make of CNN, HuffPost, and the Guardian?

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                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   49 minutes ago

                  Good faith media outlets.

                  -jeffsarc

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                2. Chumby   10 minutes ago

                  What about Talking Points Memo?

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      2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

        Are you that fucking retarded that you’d believe Hamas propaganda?

        You already lie as much as Goebbels.

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  28. mad.casual   5 hours ago

    "Fisherman Alejandro Carranza had no ties to the drug trade and his daily activity was fishing. The Colombian boat was adrift and had its distress signal up due to an engine failure. We await explanations from the US government."

    All I hear is a burgeoning rap artist saying, "Hands up, don't shoot!"

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  29. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    Colombian President Gustavo Petro has accused the U.S. of murdering one of his people—an innocent fisherman—in a strike intended for boats carrying drugs and narcotraffickers.

    The drug war has eroded Americans' rights, so why should Colombians get special treatment.

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  30. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'A few scenarios are possible. One is that the U.S. really is striking narcotraffickers, and that either their families don't know their dead relatives are narcotraffickers or are obfuscating. Another possibility is that the U.S. is striking innocent fisherman and calling them narcotraffickers. There could, of course, be a mix of smugglers and fishermen.'

    Let me offer another scenario, even more likely: everyone involved is lying. A little or a lot, naively or intentionally, what comes out of their mouths is nowhere near the truth, in essence or in details. And the range of liars includes politicians, media, experts, officials of all types, and regular people.

    Congratulations, post-modernists, you have helped us achieve a world where there is no objective truth.

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    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

      Ooops. I'm a bit late.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        No worries.

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    2. mad.casual   5 hours ago

      +1

      The story told by Petro.

      As indicated above, it's like the story from Biden that *starts* with a 10 yr. old needing to get to Indiana to get an abortion or a Social Justice/Antifa story that *starts* with the cops laying hand on someone for "just talking" or the story from Christine Blasey-Ford that *starts* in 2018 with a recollection from 30 yrs. prior.

      Fishing boats and narcotrafficking boats, especially the ones we've seen blown up, are about as similar as semi-trucks and F-1 cars. Similarly, if this fisherman in a submarine was in distress in a legitimate commercial vessel, where was it flagged out of? Why would a US drone be survelling it?

      As I've previously indicated, I'm only like 30% sure the administration is being honest about blowing up anything in international waters. Claiming that a fishing submersible boat got confused with something like a go-fast boat is even less credible.

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    3. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

      Congratulations, post-modernists, you have helped us achieve a world where there is no objective truth.

      I agree that we have a much more difficult problem nowadays in trying to decide on what is 'objective truth'. What do you suggest for how to return to a place where 'objective truth' is the standard to strive for?

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   3 hours ago

        You can start by knocking it off with the sophistry.

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        1. Chumby   2 hours ago

          Will bet you two Pizza Hut extra large, meat lovers, double stuffed crust pizzas that does not occur.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

            Oh, I know he won’t stop it. That said, the bucket of Ben & Jerry’s is on his table.

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            1. Chumby   5 minutes ago

              Boxes of Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

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      2. NealAppeal   2 hours ago

        Probably just believe the reports that you agree with...works for you.

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  31. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'The brainworms are multiplying.'

    Build the wall!

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    1. tracerv   3 hours ago

      Then send in Plisskin.

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  32. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

    "...Another possibility is that the U.S. is striking innocent fisherman and calling them narcotraffickers..."

    There's a third and you should know is well, since this rag trades in it often:
    They're lying about what Trump is doing.

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    1. Chumby   5 hours ago

      These could be the same fishermen that blew up the NordStream pipeline.

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  33. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'No Kings rallies were held this weekend all over America. It's not clear what they think will change due to their protesting, but I rest my case.'

    What do THEY think they can change by marching with home-made signs? Duh. Pretty much everything. Whether children, or grandchildren of the 60s, they suffer from Theater Kid Syndrome (TKS), which makes people think that believing hard enough (and demanding loud enough) is what makes the universe provide things. Scientists think TKS may be a variant of Cargo Cult disease.

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  34. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

    Is Hamas still executing people in the streets?

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Yeah, but mostly peacefully.

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   4 hours ago

      And starving people in their homes.

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  35. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

    "Treasury and Congress decides how that money gets doled out"

    You'd think that, but...Congress cut all funding for a program, then the EPA terminate said unfunded program. But nope, Democrats gotta sue, and I'm sure there's a hand-picked judge lined up to hand them $8B because orange man bad.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scott-mcclallen/2025/10/18/oregon-attorney-general-challenges-epa-over-cuts-to-solar-program-n2665156

    "21 Attorneys General Challenge EPA Over Solar Program Cuts"

    In July, Congress passed the president’s “One Big Beautiful Bill Act,” which rescinded funds for the Solar for All program that were unobligated as of July 3.

    On August 7, the EPA terminated the program.

    Rayfield and a multistate coalition are filing a lawsuit today in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, alleging, among other things, that the EPA violated the Administrative Procedure Act and the U.S. Constitution’s Separation of Powers Doctrine in unlawfully canceling the program.

    Joining Attorney General Rayfield in this complaint are the attorneys general of Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawai’i, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia. Also joining the complaint are the governors of Kentucky and Pennsylvania, as well as the Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation.

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    1. BYODB   4 hours ago

      Yeah, because the States want to spend money but can't just print money.

      Cool story States, if the program is such a great ROI go ahead and do it yourselves.

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      1. mad.casual   4 hours ago

        Cool story States, if the program is such a great ROI go ahead and do it yourselves.

        "We would if you'd just lend us some money." - IL

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Ha! As if Democrats have universal principles and ethics that apply equally to themselves and their opposition.

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    3. mad.casual   4 hours ago

      Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawai’i, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia

      Just out of curiosity... does this money get counted in the amount that Red States collect disproportionately from the FedGov or no?

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  36. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

    "A few notes"

    https://x.com/politicalmath/status/1979521281478308282

    We've changed the "No Kings" theme of other events around the world to "No Tyrants" so as to not send mixed messages in countries with a monarchy. We're also swapping out "No Crowns" with "No Clowns".

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    1. mad.casual   4 hours ago

      I'm gonna need a ruling from the DNC on whether the non-speech and white-face of mimes counts as violence. As long as ending the tyranny of clowns includes mimes, I'm in.

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      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 hours ago

        I'm old enough to remember the clown scare of 2016. No reported fatalities but I've always suspected that it was a trantifa dress rehearsal. And indeed we are now watching as our streets and public accomodations are overrun with furries and Pikachus. If the No Kings organizations are prepared to do battle with these denizens of the dark I'm all in.

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  37. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

    Aguilar entered the U.S. illegally in 2018 as an unaccompanied minor. On February 8, 2019, an immigration judge issued him a final order of removal.

    https://x.com/DHSgov/status/1979294184139088088

    Homeland Security
    @DHSgov

    Eduardo Aguilar, the illegal alien who offered $10,000 bounties on TikTok for the murder of our brave ICE agents, has been ARRESTED in Dallas, TX.

    We are thankful this criminal who had a firearm in his possession was arrested before he could kill one of our law enforcement officers.

    The Trump administration will not back down from these threats, and every criminal, terrorist, and illegal alien will face American justice.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Still not enough due* process!

      *If the outcome is not the desired one, then it can't count as "due".

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    2. Chumby   3 hours ago

      Was he just delivering pizza?

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  38. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

    Scenes from NYC: (but Islam is a religion of peace)

    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/10/18/this-photo-should-end-zohran-mamdanis-campaign-n4944999

    Just days after his heated debate with Andrew Cuomo, Mamdani visited Masjid At-Taqwa in Brooklyn, meeting with Imam Siraj Wahhaj and Harlem Councilmember Yusef Salaam. He proudly posted the photo online, smiling widely, calling it a “beautiful Jummah,” a phrase Muslims use for a blessed Friday. What he conveniently leaves out is who exactly he was meeting: Wahhaj isn’t some benign neighborhood cleric; he’s an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and a man who once testified in defense of Omar Abdel-Rahman, the “Blind Sheikh” behind that attack.

    Siraj Wahhaj’s record reads like a greatest hits list of radical extremism, yet he’s somehow still treated as a respected religious leader in some circles. According to DiscoverTheNetworks, Wahhaj was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the first major Islamist attack on American soil. He even invited Omar Abdel-Rahman, the infamous “Blind Sheikh” who masterminded that bombing, to preach at his Brooklyn mosque. This wasn’t a matter of ignorance or poor judgment; it was a deliberate act of solidarity with someone who declared war on the United States.

    Wahhaj has made no secret of his contempt for American democracy, openly saying that “Islam is better than democracy” and predicting that “in time, democracy will crumble.” He has repeatedly called for replacing the U.S. government with an Islamic caliphate ruled by sharia law. His speeches are filled with violent rhetoric, including a 1991 sermon in which he told followers, “Those who struggle for Allah, it doesn’t matter what kind of weapons [you use], I’m telling you it doesn’t matter! You don’t need nuclear weapons or even guns! If you have faith in Allah and a knife! If Allah wants you to win, you will win!"

    Wahhaj added, “Because Allah is the only one who fights. And when his hand is over your hand, whoever is at war against my friends, I declare war on them…. The Americans are not your friends … The Canadians are not your friends … The Europeans are not your friends.“

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  39. Medulla Oblongata   5 hours ago

    Didn't know JFree was from Birmingham...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-gaza-independents-are-showing-their-true-faces/ar-AA1OE86h

    Yesterday’s decision by Birmingham’s Safety Advisory Group (an arm of the local council) to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from next month’s Europa League match at Villa Park on the advice of the West Midlands police needs to be seen in the context of the past two years of hate marches and protests.

    As the streets of London and other cities have been taken over by antisemitic mobs, the reaction of the police has been to stand and watch. The message from the authorities could hardly have been clearer: antisemitic chanting is fine. The police might as well have taken out full page ads announcing: “Come and spew your Jew hate, all welcome”. West Midlands Police have now decided that their response to Jewish fans planning to visit Birmingham should be to recommend banning them.

    That decision has been welcomed by the MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, Ayoub Khan. No surprise there; Khan was one of the four sectarian Muslim MPs elected last July. He has campaigned to have the Maccabi fans barred, using the argument that their presence would present a safety risk. Well, yes: but not in the sense meant by Khan. With Jew hate at record levels and in the wake of a terrorist murder, there is indeed a safety risk: to Jews across Britain – and especially to those who would be visiting Villa Park.

    This is the state of Britain today. The police’s response to threats of violence against visiting Jewish fans – let us not pretend this is about ‘Israelis’, when they are fans of a team named after historic Jewish heroes – is to ban the Jews.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      OK, what if the Maccabi fans got tattoos and wore special ID badges on their jackets, and agreed to travel in special trains that took them to secure camps for game weekend?

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   3 hours ago

      Wonder how long it takes them to realize they are the baddies.

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      1. Chumby   2 hours ago

        Unpossible. Like jeffsarc, who are the protagonists in their own fantasy novels.

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  40. BYODB   4 hours ago


    Petro is indeed an ally of Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro and a former Marxist guerilla fighter. He and Trump have sparred before, when Petro tried to refuse deportation flights of his own nationals earlier this year.

    Which is indeed a perfectly valid reason to believe the motherfucker is lying his ass off. It's the same reason using Hamas as a source is utterly retarded. They are murders and psychopaths, lying is such a lesser ethical and moral consideration it's doesn't even bear consideration that it's beyond these individuals.

    If some intrepid reporters want to cruise on down to Colombia to do some real investigative reporting on the issue, be our guest. Until then, you're a clown.

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  41. Rick James   4 hours ago

    "US government officials have committed a murder and violated our sovereignty in territorial waters," wrote Petro on X

    Suddenly everyone's got a border. I bet they even know what a woman is.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      And what a woman is for?

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      1. Chumby   2 hours ago

        Tony Molly is stumped.

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  42. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    So, when my dog humps my leg, he's expressing his queer and interspecies identity?

    I tripped over the notion expressed in the article...First, that this comes up in a wildlife expose, second will come after the quote...

    "There's a lot of violence toward individuals who consider themselves trans—trans women, trans males, and there's also high suicide rates within the LGBTQIA+ community because they are not accepted," García-Álvarez said. "So imagine if they were to hear those words, 'You are perfect just the way you are,' or 'You are natural just as nature intended.'"

    If trans people are perfect just the way they are, why do they demand hormone treatments and plastic surgery to complete erase who they are to become something completely unnatural?

    https://phys.org/news/2023-09-nature-naturalists-explore-queer-ecology.pdf

    'New way of looking at nature': These
    naturalists explore queer ecology with geese,
    owls and more

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    1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

      If trans people are perfect just the way they are, why do they demand hormone treatments and plastic surgery to complete erase who they are to become something completely unnatural?

      Here, let me try to explain:

      If bald people are perfect just the way they are, why do they demand hair replacement drugs and surgery to completely erase who they are to become something completely unnatural?

      If flat-chested women are perfect just the way they are, why do they demand plastic surgery to completely erase who they are to become something completely unnatural?

      Do you have any concept to understand that one's mental sense of one's identity does not always match one's physical state? And that *sometimes* this is a result of a mental illness, but most of the time, it is not?

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Now do anorexics.

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        1. Chumby   4 hours ago

          Demjeff won his battle against anorexia.

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        2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

          Congratulations, that's an example where trying to change one's physical appearance to match one's mental model is a type of mental illness.

          But my point here, is that not every attempt to do so is per se a sign of mental illness.

          We know that anorexia is a mental illness because those who suffer from it are already at, or even below, a healthy weight. Not because they're trying to lose weight per se.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 hours ago

            So you just decide which mental disorders fit your political agenda. Got it.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 hours ago

              Not at all. Tell me, why is anorexia considered a mental illness, but a flat-chested woman wanting to get a boob job NOT considered a mental illness?

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

                Tell me why flat chested women wanting larger tits isn’t a mental illness, Jeffy?

                Just like trans, it’s a lack of body acceptance.

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        3. Medulla Oblongata   2 hours ago

          What did the grey box say?

          Was it something like when he said we just have to be okey with it if parents and doctors to agree to amputate an arm or leg of a child with body dysmorphia if the child says it needs to be cut off. It's what the child, parents, and doctors want, so I guess it simply has to be accepted without further comment.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 hour ago

            Stop being a coward and respond directly.

            Your hypothetical situation is absurd. There isn't any licensed, professional medical doctor who would ever agree to such a thing.

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

              MO had you muted for damn good reason. Take a guess as to why, dingbat.

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          2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

            For your enjoyment (or revulsion):

            chemjeff radical individualist 3 hours ago
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            If trans people are perfect just the way they are, why do they demand hormone treatments and plastic surgery to complete erase who they are to become something completely unnatural?

            Here, let me try to explain:

            If bald people are perfect just the way they are, why do they demand hair replacement drugs and surgery to completely erase who they are to become something completely unnatural?

            If flat-chested women are perfect just the way they are, why do they demand plastic surgery to completely erase who they are to become something completely unnatural?

            Do you have any concept to understand that one's mental sense of one's identity does not always match one's physical state? And that *sometimes* this is a result of a mental illness, but most of the time, it is not?

            It’s almost bears in trunks level.

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      2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

        Self acceptance is better than self indulgence.

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

          Do you think bald men who seek drugs and surgery in order to generate more hair should be banned from doing so?

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          1. Zeb   4 hours ago

            No adults should be banned from modifying their own bodies. But that's not what most of the objections are about. It's about the ethics of calling it a necessary medical procedure. No one is saying that you are literally committing genocide if people can't get hair plugs and boob jobs. They are understood by almost everyone to be completely elective plastic surgeries done because of insecurity or vanity.

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            1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 hours ago

              And not for kids

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              1. Zeb   3 hours ago

                Yeah, leave kids out of it and stop trying to shove it down everyone's throat and most people will go back to not giving a fuck.

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              2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

                And not taxpayer funded.

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            2. chemjeff radical individualist   1 hour ago

              I agree with you that a lot of the language of 'genocide' is very much overwrought.

              It's about the ethics of calling it a necessary medical procedure.

              For SOME people, it is. For others, it is not. That is one reason why there shouldn't be a blanket ban on all of it.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

                So tell me why flat chested women wanting bigger tits isn’t a mental illness, Jeffy?

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              2. Bertram Guilfoyle   44 minutes ago

                I agree with you that a lot of the language of 'genocide' is very much overwrought.

                Remember when you bitched about this endlessly in here, vermin?

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          2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 hours ago

            Did those bald men have hair and then begin to lose it? Did the transgenders have penises and then begin to lose them? Will taking a pill keep the penis or clitoris from falling off?

            Is insurance mandated to cover hair treatment? Is Medicare? Is the military obligated to pay for it?
            Does seeing a bald head for the first time traumatize young girls? Are bald heads used to assault vulnerable haired people?

            Do you actually believe the idiotic tripe you put out here?

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            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 hours ago

              Jeff isn't dumb (maybe) it's just that he's evil and sees no wrong in lies and sophistry.

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            2. Chumby   2 hours ago

              Am shocked that Demjeff tossed forth a bad analogy.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

                Someone needs to make a collection of all the bad Jeffy analogies he’s posted here.

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                1. Chumby   3 minutes ago

                  The sequel to Mike the Sea Lion will be Bears in Trunks

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        2. Chumby   4 hours ago

          Agree.

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      3. Vernon Depner   1 hour ago

        one's mental sense of one's identity does not always match one's physical state?

        And the philosophy that holds that one's mental state MUST match the appearance of one's body is called "sexism".

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   1 hour ago

          How so?

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

            Why don’t you explain as you’re the one who posted the bad analogies here again, Mr. Bears-in Trunks?

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    2. mad.casual   4 hours ago

      I'm sure genderqueer leg humping research will help science and academia regain the credibility it needs to recover from embarrassing itself over COVID.

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    3. BYODB   4 hours ago

      Also it's curious that suicide rates for trans people go up after they transition.

      Yeah, I'm here for an abortion too.

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      1. Chumby   4 hours ago

        Died from with axe wound

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   57 minutes ago

          Lizzie Borden smiles.

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      2. Dillinger   4 hours ago

        if by curious you mean very easily foretold.

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    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Remember this? (From Reason report in 2018)

      A trio of writers who describe themselves as left-leaning but decry the academic influence of political correctness, identity politics, and what they call "grievance studies" conducted an experiment: Could they fool scholarly journals into publishing hoax papers masquerading as legitimate scholarship?

      The answer, it turns out, was yes. Seven journals accepted the fake papers, which were written by James Lindsay, a mathematician; Helen Pluckrose, editor of Areo; and Peter Boghossian, an assistant professor of philosophy at Portland State University.

      In addition to the papers on fat studies, feminism spirituality, and neoliberal choice feminism, Lindsay, Pluckrose, and Boghossian also found a home for a fourth paper, "Rape Culture and Queer Performativity at Urban Dog Parks."

      This paper, which was published in Gender, Place and Culture, attracted my attention in June. While the title sounded absurd on its face, its author, the fictitious "Helen Wilson," purported to have compiled an impressive amount of data regarding her observations of canine sexual aggression at dog parks. Wilson claimed to be affiliated with the Portland Ungendering Research Initiative, which had a domain name but no operating website. As I wrote at the time, many of Wilson's conclusions were unwarranted, and the whole thing was written in incomprehensible social-justice gobbledygook, but the underlying data seemed to have some potential meaning, even if the author was applying it poorly.

      Wilson spent 100 hours in three dog parks, where she made note of a whole bunch of times when one dog humped another. When the humping was male-on-male, owners intervened in the overwhelming number of cases. But when the humping was male-on-female, owners were far less likely to stop it. This, the study suggests, might say something about the owners' internalized homophobia and their willingness to overlook female victims of sexual assault.

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

        Which basically means the paper was intended to demonstrate how easy it was to get bullshit into a so-called peer-reviewed journal. Jeffy’s built his entire argument on shifting sand.

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    5. Zeb   4 hours ago

      It might be kind of interesting to look at whether there really are homosexual animals in nature. But at this point I don't trust any research done on the subject to be neutral and dispassionate and not to try to shoehorn in very human ideas like "queerness" into it all.

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      1. BYODB   4 hours ago

        Depends how you define it, I imagine. To date it's been generally thought of as a dominance behavior, make of that what you will.

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      2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 hours ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

        One notable passage:

        Homosexual behaviour in animals has been discussed since classical antiquity. The earliest written mention of animal homosexuality appears to date back to 2,300 years ago, when Aristotle (384–322 BC) described copulation between pigeons, partridges and quails of the same sex.[21][22] The Hieroglyphics of Horapollo, written in the 4th century AD by the Egyptian writer Horapollo, mentions "hermaphroditism" in hyenas and homosexuality in partridges.[21] The first review of animal homosexuality was written by the zoologist Ferdinand Karsch-Haack in 1900.[21][23]

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        1. Zeb   3 hours ago

          Well, there is obviously homosexual behavior in animals, not really any debate about that (anyone who has seen dogs playing knows that). But I wonder if the strong preference for homosexual sex over reproductive sex exists to any significant degree as it seems to in humans. That's where I wouldn't trust research given the current state of politicized academia.

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          1. Chumby   3 hours ago

            Funding for those studies can take time to gather; hear those gay researchers charge people up the ass.

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            1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 hours ago

              Well we still don't have good information on the prevalence of queer behavior in the Akita community.

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              1. Medulla Oblongata   2 hours ago

                But there's no bottoms in the Akita community.

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          2. mad.casual   3 hours ago

            Homosexual behavior and homosexual sex are not the same thing. It's a categorization error and an assembly of false premises.

            I could describe a motor as having 4-pistons, 250,000 cu. inch of displacement, and producing ~1 hp, but most people would rightly conclude that it's just a dishonest representation of pistons, displacement, horsepower, motors, and horses.

            Once again and as always, this is all brutally obvious once you recognize the "2 men = 1 man + 1 woman" aspect of the *entire* LGBTQIA movement.

            None of which is to say that anybody should be dragged to death behind a pickup truck or anything, but to point out the exceptional absurdity of homosexual "science" as though asking "What if we scientifically proved that a burning bush *could* talk?" or "What if we actually could sacrifice a child to prevent a plague?" would similarly equate to near-rational scientific inquisition.

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            1. Zeb   3 hours ago

              Do you give your wife the same lecture when she asks for oral sex?

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              1. Chumby   3 hours ago

                Would you refer to that as her speaking in tongues?

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                1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 hours ago

                  Well once the cameltoe finds it's way under the tent the conversation is one sided.

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                  1. Chumby   2 hours ago

                    Hopefully he is a cunning linguist.

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              2. Dillinger   2 hours ago

                trying to remember if I've ever waited long enough to be asked.

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        2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 hours ago

          Birds have cloaca. How was this copulation observed, and distinguished from dominance by jumping on anothers back

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        3. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   1 hour ago

          It’s probably less homosexual behavior than it is dominance behavior for higher status in the pack. Remember the Akita a month ago or so that wouldn’t respect his owner anymore after he was seen by the dog as a bottom? The dog now views the man as submissive to another alpha rather than being the alpha.

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      3. mad.casual   3 hours ago

        It's inherently an appeal to nature fallacy. For over 200 yrs. the nature vs. nurture false dichotomy has been exploited for people to force categorization errors and project their is/ought fallacy as fact. The term 'homosexuality' itself is a biological oxymoron. There is no biological sex involved and the fact that it's not regarded as such is a specific and protracted dumbing down of people and fudging of definitions to make the prophecy self-fulfilling.

        It's how you wind up with "englightened" humans defending gorillas who attack females from sexism and rape allegations based on their shared cultural understanding.

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    6. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

      "...high suicide rates within the LGBTQIA+ community because they are not accepted,"
      Claiming facts not in evidence

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  43. Dillinger   4 hours ago

    >>But a pattern is emerging of possibly innocent victims being killed by the boat strikes.

    the pattern emerging is unsourced rumor as news.

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  44. Dillinger   4 hours ago

    >>Israel struck Gaza over the weekend. Here's some background:

    someone point me to videos posted here of last week's street murders

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  45. Dillinger   4 hours ago

    >>No Kings rallies were held this weekend all over America.

    Yacht Rock festivals draw larger.

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   56 minutes ago

      And sound a lot better and smoother.

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  46. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>This is different than how Israeli media is describing the fighting:

    in the friendliest most peaceful way possible everything you've posted here for two years is different than how Israeli media describes

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  47. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>One is ... Another possibility ... There could, of course, be ... But the U.S. government is almost definitely acting illegally here.

    gonna get an F in any of a handful of classes where this reasoning would be graded.

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  48. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 hours ago

    More Obama 2.0; they were terrorists because we drone struck them.

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  49. swillfredo pareto   3 hours ago

    The last capitalist we hang
    Shall be the one who sold us the rope

    So...openly admitting to fantasizing about committing first degree murder?

    Another possible outcome: "The last person we try to shoot will be a libertarian who defended our right to keep and bear arms".

    Except those fuckers are known to shoot back.

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    1. Zeb   3 hours ago

      So...openly admitting to fantasizing about committing first degree murder?

      What else do you expect from commies? It's pretty much required.

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      1. swillfredo pareto   3 hours ago

        It's pretty much required

        If you work for NASCAR a wayward garage door pull can get you cancelled before sundown but apparently these retards get a free pass when threatening lynching.

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        1. Zeb   43 minutes ago

          I agree it's dreadful that such things (or being a communist in general) are socially acceptable to a lot of the country. Somehow calling yourself a nazi is (rightly) condemned, but being a self-proclaimed communist is just fine. But that's where we are.

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  50. Incunabulum   3 hours ago

    >Did the U.S. Just Kill a Random Fisherman?

    Do fishermen set out in the middle of the night in three engine open boats with a dozen bags on deck?

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    1. Zeb   3 hours ago

      MIddle of the night, yes. The rest, probably not. Still not a fan of the attacks. If we can blow them up, couldn't we also intercept and capture them? Might provide some useful info. And less chance of mistaking a target and killing people for no good reason.

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      1. mad.casual   3 hours ago

        If we can blow them up, couldn't we also intercept and capture them?

        Setting aside feelings about the drug war; say they were transporting third grade textbooks rigged with explosives or poisoned milk for maternity wards or whatever, we agree they need to be stopped... Are we intercepting and capturing them, rather than blowing them up, on your dollar? Are you going to interrogate them or does that just go through the usual Gitmo-type channels? Once they've given up whatever information you suppose they have, are we then releasing them back to wherever with their loss potentially being just a bit of overhead?

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        1. A Thinking Mind   2 hours ago

          Are we intercepting and capturing them, rather than blowing them up, on your dollar

          Blowing them up isn't free either. And yes, it's far more inconvenient to capture them than to blow them up. But I will not excuse the ending of human lives because of convenience.

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          1. mad.casual   2 hours ago

            So you're saying they can stay at your house?

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            1. A Thinking Mind   1 hour ago

              They aren't indigent. Drug dealers make good money. They can buy some place to stay on the free market.

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          2. Dillinger   2 hours ago

            so what happens on your keyboard if one of ours dies trying to intercept the next boat?

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            1. Zeb   2 hours ago

              They signed up for a dangerous job. Should we just remotely kill everyone in any war-ish situation to make sure US casualties are minimized?

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              1. Dillinger   2 hours ago

                if I'm going to trivialize one of the deaths in a war-ish situation it's not going to be the one suffered by my brother or neighbor

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                1. Zeb   1 hour ago

                  I wouldn't expect you to. But that's the calculation made in war all the time.

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              2. A Thinking Mind   1 hour ago

                If we're at war-then yes, we should do everything to maximize enemy casualties at the expense of American lives.

                Nobody believes this is an actual war, though. This is crime-fighting. They're providing a product in the US that some people in the US want but the government doesn't want. It's a crackdown on black marketeers, and if it's so crucial to US sovereignty, the US has to follow the law. You don't get to blow them all up and let God sort them out like this is the Crusades.

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        2. Zeb   2 hours ago

          I'm not going to personally interrogate them, no. But it seems worthwhile to know more about these people who are shipping exploding text books.

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          1. mad.casual   2 hours ago

            Are you under the assumption that we're dronessassinating all of them or just the ones that we can't intercept?

            Because, again, we've been patrolling these waters by both air and sea for over half a century and the channels and means by which boats can avoid apprehension are not at all unknown.

            This isn't a problem for fishing, shipping, and leisure vessels as the vast majority of them are easily outrun by Navy and Coast Guard vessels even *without* air support. What you're seeing are the exceptions specifically designed to avoid interception by traditional sea *and air* vehicles.

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            1. Zeb   1 hour ago

              No, I'm just reacting based on limited an imperfect information. Isn't that what we do here?

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  51. Marshal   3 hours ago

    No Kings rallies were held this weekend all over America.

    I see Gillespie made a big point that they were completely non-violent. He didn't mention though that this shows that Dems & leftists can have non-violent protests if they believe violence will hurt them politically. This proves yet again what we all know but Dems, leftists, and Reason deny anyway which is that the violence associated with the BLM riots was intentional.

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  52. A Thinking Mind   2 hours ago

    There's some unhinged people out there claiming that the narcotraffickers are conducting irregular chemical warfare against the United States. That's such utter nonsense. People pay out the nose (pun intended) for these particular chemicals. If there was no demand, the supply would absolutely dry up.

    Legalize drugs. Stop bombing drug dealers.

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    1. mad.casual   2 hours ago

      You know a lot of flower shop owners and soup kitchen managers who just happened to get caught up in the violent, illegal, international drug trade don't you?

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      1. Dillinger   2 hours ago

        when Johnson & Johnson makes the cocaine it will be the Board asking Pete to bomb the smugglers.

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        1. mad.casual   1 hour ago

          2020-2021 was worth it as long as no Venezuelans got blown up in international waters.

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      2. A Thinking Mind   1 hour ago

        Not even close to what I was saying, and you're coming across as unhinged.

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    2. Jefferson Paul   2 hours ago

      I agree.

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      1. A Thinking Mind   1 hour ago

        It's amazing what ending Prohibition did to undermine rum-runners.

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  53. Marshal   2 hours ago

    The most beautiful anti-Cuomo diatribe I've ever heard.

    Note the only reason Mamdani won the primary was ranked choice voting. Conversely the only reason he will win the general is because they do not have ranked choice voting.

    Now ask why not one single Reasoner is pushing ranked choice voting right now or highlighting the impact of not having it. None. Zero.

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    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 hours ago

      Gotta hand it to Liz, it started slow, but was well worth the listen

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  54. A Thinking Mind   2 hours ago

    As an aside: apparently the Louvre was robbed of several priceless pieces of jewelry yesterday. I find this a bit distressing because they're likely going to be cut apart, melted down, and destroyed, when these are relics a part of history.

    What I find just as distressing are the people on twitter who are applauding it. Of course, this is also the consequence of The Louvre having a massive security failure because it's a national museum and as poorly run as anything else the French national government does.

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    1. Dillinger   2 hours ago

      shame all that history is left to the French to defend.

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  55. Roberta   1 hour ago

    "aboard a semi-submersible that was blown up Thursday"

    Wazzat? The Times piece said it was partly below water level. Excuse me, but isn't that a description of every surface craft?

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    1. Zeb   57 minutes ago

      Except hovercrafts.

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  56. Moonrocks   1 hour ago

    Israel struck Gaza over the weekend. Here's some background...

    Is Israeli settler just code for Jew?

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    1. Mother's Lament   1 hour ago

      Israeli "settlers" are often (very often) genuine assholes of the highest order, and one of the very few things that makes me feel sympathy towards the Palestinians. In a lot of ways they act like the Hardalim version of the Hamassholes.

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