Mamdani's Fare-Free Buses Wouldn't Be NYC's First Wasteful Public Transit Boondoggle
A previous pilot program found free access slowed down buses in New York City, which already has the slowest buses in the nation.

In June, 33-year-old self-described democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani won New York City's Democratic Party mayoral primary and is likely to become the next mayor of America's largest city. His platform contains eye-popping proposals such as state-run grocery stores and a rent freeze, and Mamdani claims he can decrease costs for New Yorkers with fare-free buses.
Eliminating bus fares would be an expensive boondoggle, but it wouldn't be the first time New York City greenlit expensive and inefficient public transportation projects.
Ferry Fiasco
A ticket on the New York City Ferry only costs $4.50, but the operating costs are around $13 per rider. Taxpayers pay roughly $9 for every rider. A 2022 report also found the city wasn't ensuring the private company running the ferry was doing its job, which resulted in $66 million in unnecessary spending. The ferry, which makes stops around the five boroughs, can have a wait of up to an hour between boats. The ferries are slower, less convenient, and more expensive than the subway or bus.
Fare-Free Buses 1.0
The city already tried a pilot program of five free bus lines in 2023 and 2024. While ridership unsurprisingly increased, the program ultimately slowed bus speeds. If enacted, Mamdani's plan would cost at least $600 million to $800 million. In a July Slate article, transportation writer David Zipper pointed out that this is an inefficient way to spend taxpayer dollars, especially since the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) buses are already the slowest in the nation. "Should Mamdani somehow cobble together the hundreds of millions of dollars required annually, the [MTA] would have many superior uses for the money," Zipper wrote. Low-income riders, whom the plan is supposed to benefit the most, tend to prioritize frequency and safety over reduced fares.
Subway Spending
Officials first decided to build a line down Manhattan's Second Avenue in 1929, but the Great Depression and World War II delayed the start until the late 1960s. The original plan was set to cost $220 million. Another financial crisis caused further delays, and a new plan was drawn up in 2004, estimated to cost $3.8 billion and open in 2013. The city finally opened three stations in 2017, at a cost of $4.5 billion to taxpayers. But there are three more phases, and Phase Two is already almost $2 billion over budget.
When unions, who want the best wages and the most jobs for their members, negotiate with construction companies, which want the best payout from the city, no one has an incentive to cut costs. As a result, underground construction in New York City uses four times as many people as do similar projects in Europe, Asia, and Australia.
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If the fare will be free, would it technically be possible for an enterprising Mamdani supporter to convert part of a bus into a food truck that NYC subsidizes? Must be halal of course.
I just think imagining how much taxes will have to be poured into MTA to keep it afloat, since subway fares (already very low as is) will drop to nearly zero, so that small revenue goes away. The tiny revenue of buses goes away as well.
This will FURTHER bankrupt the city.
Aren't there fees already in place in N.Y. City just to drive into the city and the parking fees are just as outrageous.
Yes. The left voters in NYC do not have the capacity to really consider outcomes.
...then again, they seem anxious to give a dude who has never had a job in his life and has lived off mommy and daddy's largesse the power to control the largest city in the country.
So, common sense has left NYC long ago. As did their belief in their toughness.
Free busses are racist. Free publicity funded black cars for everyone or nothing.
Don't worry. The far left Democrat cultists will use Socialism to "fix" everything. The Top Men will be in charge.
NYC's transit system has been all socialist since 1940, when the city took over the private operators who had found it impossible to make a profit under the terms of the contracts they had agreed to when the city massively subsidized the construction.
I am unaware of any large city anywhere in which the transit system is not a government project. I can't imagine how many lanes of expressway would be needed to carry all the people into and out of Manhattan every day were it not for the transit system. Except that it wouldn't work because it would quickly become a parking lot 16 hours a day.
Libertarians do not understand these things.
Markets do, and libertarians understand markets. There is no need to understand all the prissy little details; the people with skin in the game -- the transit owners and builders and operators -- understand those prissy little details far better than politicians or you ever will.
You mean the government made a market impossible?
That is not a failing of the market.
That governments make it impossible to make profitable globally is not a defense. It is a boondoggle everywhere.
What's funniest is that he equates government expressways with libertarianism.
I believe the Tokyo subway system is privately run and among the best in the world.
NYC Top Men.
Ever seen people sitting on top of trains and buses in India or Pakistan? That’s what NY is going to look like.
You get used to it.
There are already those who dare to ride the tops of the trains. Some of them don't succeed though.
Those should be the only free seats.
I'm sure each additional rider on the ferry doesn't cost anywhere near the amount stated. It's running the ferry itself that costs so much.
Really?
And that cost is averaged per passenger. The incremental cost for each additional passenger might be pennies but the massive overhead remains the same resulting in taxpayers heavily subsidizing it.
What argument do you intend to make with that? That they should make it free because each additional passenger doesn't cost that much more? If so, that's a remarkably stupid argument.
I presume you wrote that for some reason other than to demonstrate that you know what marginal cost is. If that’s the only reason you wrote that, congratulations: Here’s a pat on the head.
The advantage of the ferries is that every ferry rider is someone who isn't driving or using some other form of public transit. It is shocking that it took so long to get ferries in a city that is 80% islands.
Am hoping Mamdani wins and implements his entire agenda.
Paging Snake Pliskin.....
More shocking is someone who thinks 'driving' is an alternative to 'ferries' to cross a body of water. Paging Teddy Kennedy.
On this we agree.
A ferry is likely a 'club good' - similar to gym memberships for off-hour use or road expenses during non-peak traffic. A marginal cost of near-zero.
And yes - the cost of the govt to 'run a ferry' - meaning buy the ferry, maintain it, schedule routes, and staff up for those routes is not really 'operating costs'. Those may well be a stupid decision - but they are a separate decision than 'what fares cover operating costs'. The airport model is a very good example of an alternative.
The other expense by govt re ferries - to own the landing land, to build a terminal/dock, to connect that with other modes of publicly owned transportation, and maintain that - is imo a proper role of govt. None of which require 'running a ferry' and certainly not 'running a ferry with govt running it all'. Again the airport model.
I propose a truly communist solution. The drivers and pilots of public transportation should be forced to work for free. On threat of death if they quit. That will bring the cost down and embrace the true sprit of communism at the same time.
"Nothing says success like Gov-Gun 'ARMED-THEFT'!", inside every leftards criminal mind.
'Guns' don't make sh*t. As such it's a net-negative every F'En time.
But criminal-minds don't want to see the greedy 'hole' they dig themselves.
So the Detroit, Venezuala, USSR, Nazi consequence continues to plague humanity.
You want your 'socialism'? Get it inside prison walls were criminals belong.
It's not going to be okay just because you 'politically' vote to STEAL a bus-fare or rip-off the grocery store.
...because get it through your selfish heads leftards.
'Guns' don't make sh*t. Your well is going to run dry and destroy everything.
The "conquer and consume" mentality is 100% a negative-wealth factor.
Demand-Side only economics is a dead-end game.
...if you didn't *EARN* a bus-ride; You're STEALING it.
All the [WE] Identify-as RULES doesn't change that fact.
It just makes 'classes'/groups on who TAKES and who gets RIPPED-OFF.
But you don't complain about the armed theft of taxes to pay for highways.
The majority of highway funding comes from fuel taxes. All of it used to and all of it should. It got more complicated when electric vehicle drivers became free riders, which is even worse since those vehicles weigh more due to the heavy batteries. States began implementing EV user fees for accessing public roads (beyond the standard registration) though dunno how it plays out in terms of paying one’s way.
In some states now there are plans to implement a yearly mileage fee. That's right, they're going to rob you some more.
Maybe it's in hopes that most people will give up driving entirely and use mandated mass transit.
WEF, you know.
If they sunset the state gas tax and it was reasonably calculated, that wouldn’t be bad. But govt involved so wealth transfer as well as picking winners and losers.
ROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDZZZZZZZZZZZZ is why everything has to be socialist! /s
Any excuse. Any excuse at all to keep STEALING.
Here's a thought.
Maybe even roads would be far more justice-ensured under a Co-op than Gov-Guns.
"Socialism works until you run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher.
Under National Socialism in Germany, by 1939 the nation was no longer in debt and the currency was in full value.
The tribe was not happy.
Private business.
LOL... Which one? The, the 'mark', the "Roggenmark", the cigarette?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#/media/File:Germany_Hyperinflation.svg
"After Germany failed for the thirty-fourth time in thirty-six months to pay an installment of in-kind reparations of coal, in January 1923"
Do you just make that shit up on the fly, or do you ask an AI?
If it's ok to have tax-funded bridges, it should be ok to have tax-funded ferries.
The problem with buses isn't that they are "free." It's that they don't have a balanced transportation budget.
If it's ok to fund the expansion of roads, then it's ok to fund the reduction of demand.
"It's that they don't have a balanced transportation budget."
Subsidizing failure. Precisely why socialism is a failure at large.
Watching from a distance while N.Y. City circles the drain. As costs to do business in that town will skyrocket forcing businesses to close and leave, the city, already run by corrupted politicians, unions and workers, will become ever more impoverished until bankruptcy.
This is the dream of all socialists.
America's cities, run by Democrats(socialists) are failing and at this point the rest of us no longer care. Chicago, N.Y.C., L.A., Baltimore, St. Louis, Oakland etc,etc and so on, have nearly become no go zones run by corrupt, stupid and incompetent morons.
The people of L.A., Malibu and Pacific Palisades know all too well the price for incompetency.
...but they are not doing mass protests about it.
So, from my perspective, they care more about illegals than citizens whose property was burned down due to government ineptitude and that same government won't let them rebuild.
I'd like to see a cogent explanation why this was not the plan.
It is a known fact that Newsom is a member of the WEF.
So is Michigan Gov. Whitmer and N.Y. governor Hochul. Ill. Gov. Pritsker??
Indeed. Most of those who lost their homes because of incompetent morons will not be allowed to rebuild. They will, however, have a nice little 250 square foot apartment, plenty of bugs to eat .... they will own nothing and be happy.
Eliminating bus fares would be an expensive boondoggle, but it wouldn't be the first time New York City greenlit expensive and inefficient public transportation projects.
Of course it wouldn't be the first time NYC does stupid things - but I sure wouldn't trust Reason to identify any of that. eg
A ticket on the New York City Ferry only costs $4.50, but the operating costs are around $13 per rider. Taxpayers pay roughly $9 for every rider.
In theory, a ferry does have significant semi-operating costs but I can guaranfuckingtee that it ain't $13 per ride. The cost of land around the docking area (and rent charged to the terminal and/or ferry slots), the capital costs of that terminal building, the capital costs of the ferries (and even much of the maintenance of same) are NOT operating costs. They are capital costs. Fuel and the cost of the crew running that ride are peanuts compared to the other costs.
The people who should NEVER be believed about what this sort of service costs are:
1) the govt itself and those who are doing the accounting in order to finance govt and
2)those who advocate privatizing those assets at 10c on the dollar
What is a shame is that those two groups above with the deep conflict of self-interest are the only ones who really pay attention to the governance issue.
The long term solution is simple; bus fares can be eliminated by elminating wages and salary for employees. The easiest way to pay for free services is by using zero cost employees; this is so simple I can't believe it hasn't been tried before. Just imagine how great everything will be when we all work for free and every good and service is free!
lol.. Well said.
You knew who else picked-cotton for 'free' under [D]emon-rats policies?
...surely it was for the ?common-good? right, right? /s lol
It's almost like trying to get a leopard to change its spots.
1. Nothing is for free especially when it comes public services.
But the politicians already know this but don't care about the taxpayers' money. That's the problem.
2. I hope Mamdani does get elected to NYC.
Then after his reign of error, the left cannot pontificate and preach how wonderful socialism once even more people and businesses leave NYC due to his incompetence and stupidity.
3. You get the politicians that you vote for.
Keep that in mind NYC denizens.
So, if you're stupid enough to vote for this clueless airhead, Mamdani, don't go around whining and sniveling when he oppresses you into dust.
I'm telling you, blow up all the bridges and tunnels.
A) Give New York what it really wants; B) it's a perfect petri dish for the rest of America to learn from.