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Free Speech

Should Elected Officials Censor Americans? Trump's Administration Says Yes.

Vice President J.D. Vance and Sen. Cynthia Lummis are among the latest conservatives to turn their backs on free speech when it comes to their ideological opponents.

Joe Lancaster | 9.19.2025 4:03 PM

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Last week, a gunman in Utah shot and killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk. It was a brutal and tragic event, regardless of one's politics. And yet the fallout of Kirk's murder has revealed a disturbing hostility toward free speech on the political right.

Republicans have long cast themselves as defenders of free speech against cancel culture and the censorial impulses of the political left. And there was merit to the argument—Reason has covered many cases of overreach.

But over the last week, MAGA Republicans have scoured social media for government employees posting about Kirk's murder, contacting employers in an attempt to get them fired. "Kirk's online defenders have snitch-tagged the employers of government workers over social media posts saying they don't care about the assassination, that they didn't like Kirk even as they condemn his assassination, and even criticizing Kirk prior to his assassination," Reason's Christian Britschgi wrote this week. Even for nongovernmental employees, social media detectives apparently compiled a database with tens of thousands of people who criticized Kirk, including their names and employers.

Of course, that's just people online. It's not like those with government power are advocating such a thing, right?

"I would think maybe their [broadcast] license should be taken away," President Donald Trump told reporters this week on Air Force One, about TV networks. "All they do is hit Trump. They're licensed. They're not allowed to do that."

"When you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out. And hell, call their employer," Vice President J.D. Vance said while guest-hosting Kirk's podcast this week. "We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility."

Vance's argument bears a striking resemblance to the comments made just a few years ago by his ideological enemies. When certain public and not-so-public figures received backlash for offensive statements, some commentators noted that this was not cancel culture, it was "consequence culture"—people merely experiencing the consequences of their actions.

It's no surprise that Trump has no principles on free speech—from the beginning of his first term, he called the press the "enemy of the American people." But Vance's position marks a notable pivot from just a few months ago.

"Just as the Biden administration seemed desperate to silence people for speaking their minds, so the Trump administration will do precisely the opposite," Vance said in a speech at the Munich Security Conference in February. "Under Donald Trump's leadership, we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer them in the public square, agree or disagree."

Now, Vance seems less keen on defending someone's right to offer views that he personally disagrees with. Unfortunately, he's not alone.

This week, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr criticized TV host Jimmy Kimmel for comments made about Kirk during his show. Carr openly intimated that ABC should take action or potentially face reprisal; within hours, the network suspended Kimmel's show indefinitely. (Trump later praised Carr as "outstanding. He's a patriot. He loves our country, and he's a tough guy.")

Of course, when the opposing party was in power, Carr recognized the error of such a threat. In 2022, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg told podcaster Joe Rogan that during the 2020 election, Facebook artificially decreased the spread of a story about Hunter Biden in response to a request from the FBI.

"The government does not evade the First Amendment's restraints on censoring political speech by jawboning a company into suppressing it—rather, that conduct runs headlong into those constitutional restrictions, as Supreme Court law makes clear," Carr posted on X in response. Now that government power is in his hands, Carr apparently has fewer qualms about wielding it like that.

Other officials have made their shifting beliefs more blatant.

"Under normal times, in normal circumstances, I tend to think that the First Amendment should always be sort of the ultimate right. And that there should be almost no checks and balances on it. I don't feel that way anymore," Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R–Wyo.) told Semafor on Thursday. "We just can't let people call each other those kinds of insane things and then be surprised when politicians get shot and the death threats they are receiving and then trying to get extra money for security."

Lummis' complaint sounds like a more aggressive version of the heckler's veto, a "form of censorship, where a speaker's event is canceled due to the actual or potential hostility of ideological opponents," wrote Zach Greenberg of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. In Lummis' telling, the government must punish people for saying offensive or inflammatory things because of how others might respond.

That's not only completely wrong, it's unconstitutional.

"The First Amendment to the Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its content," according to the American Civil Liberties Union. "Speech that deeply offends our morality or is hostile to our way of life warrants the same constitutional protection as other speech because the right of free speech is indivisible: When we grant the government the power to suppress controversial ideas, we are all subject to censorship by the state."

Lummis, Vance, and Carr apparently see no problem policing offensive speech, at least when they're the ones who are offended.

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  1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

    2022: THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS CENSORING AMERICANS!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

    2025: IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT CENSORSHIP THEN YOU'RE A LEFTIST MARXIST WITH TDS!!!

    1. spec24   2 months ago

      Yeah, not a thing. Their actions are actually pissing off their base.

      1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

        I’ll believe it when I see it.

        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          1 day ago
          I’ll also agree I didn’t like the FCC guys comments, just for the record to preempt sarc’s bullshit when he recovers later this morning.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

            "just for the record to preempt sarc’s bullshit"

            Sarc's bullshit is an unstoppable force. Nothing can stop it.

            I will also say I didn’t like the FCC guys comments, either. They were inappropriate, but they were made after the Kimmel was canned. So it's typical of Lancaster and Sarcasmic to lie about it:

            "Carr openly intimated that ABC should take action or potentially face reprisal; within hours, the network suspended Kimmel's show indefinitely."

            Somehow he accidentally forgot to mention those hours were before Carr beaked off.

            These fucking wretches are so disgusting. They can't just say "Yeah, that's pretty shitty. Maybe we shouldn't have called a bog-standard 2010 liberal a Nazi just for opposing The Party".

            No.

            1. First they have to pop champagne and celebrate.

            2. Then, when they notice everyone is grossed out, they decide to go on the smear. Tell everyone he deserved that bullet and so do his wife and kids.

            3. Then, when they notice everyone is grossed out again, they decide to blame the non-progs. They lie that Kirk's killer was somehow an ultra-right-wing LGBTQ redditor, who only wrote proggy buzzwords on his bullets because he was tricking people into blaming Team D.

            4. Then when it comes out that he was an honest to goodness tranny-banging lefty, they start back with the "Kirk deserved it" and "you're suppressing my speech if you hate me for saying it". And they start pretending that they're the real victims, and they lie about the timeframe of an FCC comment so they can pretend Kimmel was a victim of government censorship.

            I think reading the thread below will disabuse anyone of the notion that Sarcasmic, Jeff, Shrike, Hank, Shillsy, and whoever is running the SRG/KAR/windycityattorney socks, are not absolute moral monsters.

      2. LIBtranslator   2 months ago

        Dem kowtowing to Chinese communism instead of repealing laws jailing hippies and brown people for harmless plants were what installed Donald in the 2016 election. The effect of THAT spoiler clout was they suddenly realized the importance of repealing prohibition laws AFTER Gary Johnson's votes covered the gap in 13 States casting 127 electoral votes. Yet they still cling like lampreys to fairytales of Sharknado warmunism in blind zeal to help the communists hobble the generating capacity that creates wealth. That's a learning disorder.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

          Are you going to shoot them too?

  2. windycityattorney   2 months ago

    JD Vance is still mad about the whole couch fucking meme.

    Trump's position is relatively simple to understand: if the statements or reporting are positive of him, its acceptable. If its negative, it needs to be shut down and potentially criminalized. Like suggesting RICO criminal charges for people who... disturbed his dinner. Somebody needs to slap this fool because he says shit like this and people who know its ridiculous and are close to him are afraid to tell him its ridiculous. But I guess that is what happens when you surround yourself with sycophants.

    Carr is just a craven douche. Say the things dear leader wants to hear and maybe he will be able to keep his job. Pathetic really.

    1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

      Trump did say that the biggest mistake of his first term was not surrounding himself with yes-men, and he made sure not to repeat it.

      1. shrike   2 months ago

        He has the lackeys now. Look at Patel covering up Donnie’s involvement with Epstein.

        Remember, lackey Bondi has the files on her desk.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          You’re boring, and fairly stupid. Why don’t you just go back to huffing spray cans and jacking it to child porn?

        3. LIBtranslator   2 months ago

          THAT's working well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brZHqvBcXo4

        4. Sir Chips Alot   2 months ago

          yeah, such a big cover up. I am totes sure if Joementia and his far left Democrat cultist minions had anything on Trump and Epstein they would have with held it and covered it up to protect Trump

          1. scotterbee   2 months ago

            Then release all the files. Even if T isn't involved, you'll really protect pedophiles to own the libs?

            1. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

              It is obvious to most people with sensibility that releasing the materials would first harm the victims and when the information is not going to bring anything new including indictments why release them?

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      Slimy Pile of Not An Attorney is still jealous others can get fucked while every woman in the world laughs at his tiny dick.
      Fuck off and die, asswipe.

      1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   2 months ago

        Those "tiny dick" jokes transcend the generations - always get the grade schoolers going...

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          Nothing transcends your stupidity, Average Asshole (Who's Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks).
          Fuck off and die, shistain.

    3. Incunabulum   2 months ago

      Should have complained louder when Biden was doing it

    4. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

      Can someone slap you for being a total douche? Let's level the playing field.

  3. shrike   2 months ago

    Donnie is making Mr Patriot Act Dubya look like a libertarian.

    1. Chumby   2 months ago

      https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

      1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

        Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

        All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

          Zero surprises you think psychiatry is an evil communist plot.

          1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

            Read the fucking link, Evil PervFected, Mind-Infected, Neglected Bee-Yotch, and SEE that the USSR used psych-med-bullshit... In the EXACT same ways that YOU PervFected Marxists do! Educated people like me (unlike Pervfected YOU) have known about this abuse for a LONG time now!

          2. Chumby   2 months ago

            Sqrlsy strongly supports free range pedophiles.

            1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

              Scumby-Chump LIES about grey-boxing me!!! Shit lies about a SLUT of shit! Cuntstantly!

            2. Nelson   2 months ago

              Most people are in favor of religious freedom … wait, you were talking about the religious pedophiles, right? They are the dominant species of pedophile.

              1. Chumby   2 months ago

                I was talking about your ally Shrike who had one of his accounts banned here for posting a link to child pornography. Sqrlsy has been defending Shrike ever since.

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  I wouldn’t know, since I have Sqrlsy muted. I was responding to your comment about free range pedophiles, since I believe you are one of those who pretend that religious organizations aren’t full of pedophiles and that they don’t protect and defend their pedophiles with all their organizational wealth and resources.

                  1. Chumby   2 months ago

                    If you mix in “Fatass Donnie” and “Peanuts,” your posts are indistinguishable from Shrike.
                    Shrike posted a link to child pornography here. Keep white knighting for him.

                    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

                      "Shrike posted a link to child pornography here."

                      Cuntvincing evidence says shit might have been ID theft and false postings in the name of another, before IT science advanced a bit more. Shit MIGHT have been done by ID-stealing (KNOWN AND DOCUMENTED ID STEALING!) "Mother's Lament, With a Head Full of Sement", AKA Moose-Mammary-Necrophiliac. For all we know, shit twas HER that stole an ID and posted the child porn, in the name of another! So don't rush to judgment; the evidence isn't yet all accunted for!

                    2. Nelson   2 months ago

                      I have no idea who Shrike is, nor have I ever white knighted for anyone. I certainly haven’t ever supported child porn.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      turd, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. LIBtranslator   2 months ago

      More like Goring making Goebbels look like a more altruistic Christian National Socialist.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

        Goebbels was a bitterly anti-church anti-theist just like you, Hank, and Göring was irreligious.
        Fuck, the Nazis made war on the church an official party program called Kirchenkampf, and they banned Christmas. Just like you to blame the targets, though. I bet you think that the Jews deserved it too.

        1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

          A semi-lie or vast exaggeration, about NAZIs banning Christmas. Here's what AI Perplexity says:

          No, the Nazis did **not outright ban Christmas**, but they did make systematic and aggressive efforts to **reshape, suppress, and “Nazify”** its traditions—removing or replacing Christian elements and transforming it into a celebration of Germanic paganism, Aryan identity, and Nazi ideology.

          ***

          ### What Did the Nazis Do to Christmas?- **De-Christianization and Paganization:**
          The Nazi regime worked to strip Christmas of its Christian significance, especially in public and state celebrations. They promoted the idea that Christmas originated as a pagan Germanic winter solstice festival and encouraged new names like *Julfest* or “Festival of the Nation” instead of *Weihnachten* (Christmas).[1][6][7]
          - Christian symbols—nativity scenes, references to Christ, and Christmas carols—were often replaced with Aryan, Nordic, or Nazi imagery. Swastikas, “sun wheels,” and runes might appear in place of stars or angels.[6][1]
          - **New Symbols and Rituals:**
          Songs and decorations were rewritten to erase references to Jesus and Christianity, replacing them with themes of German blood, soil, and the “Saviour Führer,” Hitler.[2][1][6]
          - Even Santa Claus was recast as a pagan figure (Odin/Wotan), and children were encouraged to use Nazi-inspired ornaments on Christmas trees.[1][2][6]
          - **Resistance and Limits:**
          Many ordinary Germans and virtually all churches ignored or resisted these new traditions in private and religious settings. The full Christian religious meaning persisted in homes and churches, despite state propaganda. Nazis sometimes cracked down on open Christian celebration, but never managed a complete ban or total cultural replacement.[7][2][1]

          ***

          ### Summary Table| Aspect | Nazi Policy |
          |-----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
          | Christmas outright banned? | No, not banned—publicly converted to Aryan/pagan festival |
          | Christian symbols | Suppressed in state/official celebrations, replaced with Nazi/pagan imagery |
          | Songs and traditions | Rewritten to remove Christ, promote Nazi ideology |
          | Private/church celebrations | Largely continued with Christian meaning, despite Nazi pressure |

          ***

          **In summary:**
          The Nazis did not ban Christmas but orchestrated a thorough rebranding in public and official culture, seeking to erase its religious core in favor of pagan and Nazi themes. Their cultural campaign met with mixed success; for most Germans, Christmas remained a Christian family and church holiday privately—even as public rituals were forcibly changed.

          [1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Nazi_Germany)
          [2](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nazis-fought-original-war-christmas-180961513/)

          Etc.

  4. Chumby   2 months ago

    A rainbow cultist gunman killed Charlie Kirk.

    Carr is allowed to criticize a late night talk show host under 1A; Kimmel being taken off the air was from the affiliates. Did the affiliates need congressional approval to do this?

    Public educators and healthcare professionals that openly celebrated the assassination of someone call into question their ability to objectively educate or provide healthcare services. It also opens up liability for the conservative kid that didn’t receive the grade they thought they earned or the next of kin when the medical care was questionable. And the folks paying for those services - they are expressing their voices. Those terminations are employer decisions just like when Reason opted to retain Matt Welch who posted on social media that he wanted conservative media members invited to a red wedding.

    1. shrike   2 months ago

      Fatass Donnie is on record saying he wants other shows critical of him off the air. Even the stupid gabfest The View.

      Chumface the MAGA shill. What a sorry lot you drew.

      1. Chumby   2 months ago

        https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

        1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

          Hey Scumby-Chump...

          Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authorShitarians KNOW this already!

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

          All of the GOOD totaliShitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!

          If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFarter-Fuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
          https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
          People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.

          1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

            So you hate psychiatry. The cure is poison to insane shitposters like you.

            1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

              I try snot to hate... I do firmly oppose EVIL people who abuse hammers or stones or mud or bricks or knives or guns or books or windows or ANYTHING, to include psychiatry, ALL of which can be used to commit EVIL!!! Stupid bitch, did Ye All-Knowing PervFected One SNOT know these simple facts? That the USERS and SNOT the tools, can be guilty?

            2. Chumby   2 months ago

              Each evening, he crouches over a fresh plate of feces whispering, “My preciousssss.”

              1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

                Ask, and ye shall receive wisdom!

                Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

                So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…

                Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:

                Hi Fantastically Talented Author:

                Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.

                At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.

                Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .

                Thank PervFected You! -Reason Staff

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        Cite missing from trud's, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

          Hey Sevo, Supreme Pedo and Hippo in a Speedo... Twat IS a "trud", anyway? Are YE a PervFected and Mind-Infected "trud", pervhaps? PLEASE define "trud" for us?

      3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html

    2. Hickamore   2 months ago

      Canceling a show when the FCC chairman says either do it or we revoke your license is not exactly an unforced decision. It's yielding to official government coercion. Meanwhile, are you equating Kimmel's comment about MAGA using the murder for political gain with "celebrating the assassination?"

      1. Chumby   2 months ago

        The affiliates pulled Kimmel off the air. Carr’s statement followed.

        Please cite where you think I am trying to equate Kimmel’s comments with celebrating the assassination.

        1. Hickamore   2 months ago

          I can't find a timeline showing who pulled Kimmel when. Do you have a link?
          "Celebrating": just asking, not accusing.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Sinclair statement has been posted here multiple times retard.

            https://sbgi.net/sinclair-says-kimmel-suspension-is-not-enough-calls-on-fcc-and-abc-to-take-additional-action/

            1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

              Any idea, or way to find out, the time of the statement?

            2. Nelson   2 months ago

              “Appearing on Benny Johnson’s podcast on Wednesday, Carr suggested that the FCC has “remedies we can look at.”

              “We can do this the easy way or the hard way,” Carr said. “These companies can find ways to change conduct and take action, frankly, on Kimmel or there’s going to be additional work for the FCC ahead.””

              A few hours after Carr’s remarks, ABC announced that “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” will be preempted indefinitely, shortly after Nexstar, which operates 32 ABC affiliates, said it would not broadcast the show for the “foreseeable future.”“

              So the timeline is:

              1) Carr threatens ABC, specifically, and “these companies” in general unless they change their conduct.

              2) Nexstar says they won’t air Kimmel.

              3) ABC suspends Kimmel.

              Even if you try to ignore or obfuscate the fact that the FCC chairman threatened a company over a specific person’s comment (which, for the liar’s brigade here, did not in any way celebrate Kirk’s death), are you really trying to say that it’s OK for a government official in charge of regulating media to say that a company should “find ways to change conduct and take action” against someone for saying something that the government doesn’t like?

              For the love of God, even Ted Cruz understands how awful this is.

              1. Chumby   2 months ago

                Sinclair pulled Kimmel off its affiliates. Their statement even mentions they want the FCC to do something about the issue (ABC and content like Kimmel’s). ABC pulled Kimmel post Sinclair and Nexstar. If the FCC caused Sinclair to make their decision, why would Sinclair have demanded the FCC do something?

                https://sbgi.net/sinclair-says-kimmel-suspension-is-not-enough-calls-on-fcc-and-abc-to-take-additional-action/

                Has anyone here said that Kimmel was celebrating Kirk’s death? Has Jesse?

                Libertarians weren’t thrilled with the FCC weighing in and we posted about that at the time. It was far different when Biden (D) was doing his censorship. We are happier when businesses make a business decision with or without input from their customers. The affiliates did that. It looks like ABC did that too since nobody has provided a cite for a direct communication by the FCC to them. ABC might be happy since they removed a poor performing show from their lineup and can blame their affiliates and the FCC. Kimmel had less that half the viewers of “not renewed” Colbert per Nielsen’s August ratings. Kimmel was in last place behind Colbert and Fallon (and they all trailed Gutfeld combined if you still count his ratings as “late nite.”).

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  “ Sinclair pulled Kimmel off its affiliates.”

                  Yes, the deeply conservative group did announce that they were going to pull him off and encouraged the FCC to take politically motivated action against someone for saying a completely innocuous thing. But they did that after Nextstar had already made their announcement and Carr had already made his comments. So what’s your point?

                  “ If the FCC caused Sinclair to make their decision, why would Sinclair have demanded the FCC do something?”

                  Two falsehoods here: I didn’t say the FCC caused Sinclair to make their censorship request of the FCC and Sinclair would have no idea what the FCC was talking about to anyone else.

                  “ Has anyone here said that Kimmel was celebrating Kirk’s death?”

                  You were discussing Kimmel, then followed with this:

                  “ Public educators and healthcare professionals that openly celebrated the assassination of someone call into question their ability to objectively educate or provide healthcare services.”

                  Besides the complete nonsense of insinuating that tastelessly celebrating the murder of a bad person means you can’t do your job well, following an introductory paragraph about Kimmel with a rant about people celebrating Kirk’s murder would lead reasonable people to assume the two, in your mind, were related.

                  If you were changing topics completely without any indication that the two were unrelated, your writing skills are highly suspect.

                  “ The affiliates did that”

                  Sure they did. Why would anyone think that this administration would use the power of government to punish expression they disfavored? Especially after the FCC chair made overt public threats?

                  Kowtowing to curry favor with a retributive administration is sound business policy. Claiming that they made the decision in a vacuum is laughable. Insinuating that he deserved it for stating a completely inoffensive belief is apologism. You MAGA folks can’t credibly claim to support this President and still support libertarian principles. They are incompatible.

                  “ It looks like ABC did that too since nobody has provided a cite for a direct communication by the FCC to them.”

                  There’s nothing like creating an impossible standard, then claiming if you can’t meet it the argument is invalid. By your standard, you would have to not only be at the FCC, you would have to be one of the people involved in communicating with ABC. That’s what? Maybe a couple dozen people in the entire country?

                  This administration retaliates against those they perceive as opposing them. That is reality. Anyone with an ounce of honesty would look at this situation and say, “Yeah, they likely jawboned the hell out of ABC.”, and a libertarian would be disgusted and appalled at it. They would condemn it. You aren’t disgusted or appalled. You don’t condemn it.

                  “ Kimmel had less that half the viewers of “not renewed” Colbert per Nielsen’s August ratings.”

                  So the show that was jawboned off the air had better ratings than this show that was jawboned off the air and you think that’s OK? If the market had decided, he would have been off the air either before or after this incident, since the numbers have been pretty consistent without cancellation in the past and there was no data as to the impact of this manufactured controversy on his ratings.

                  And the Gutfield comparison is apples and oranges. It’s like saying a baseball and football are the same. Gutfield isn’t a late night comic, so it’s a completely different sport.

                  1. Chumby   2 months ago

                    The affiliates pulled Kimmel based on their decision.
                    Keep gish galloping attempting to reconstruct that.

                    1. Nelson   2 months ago

                      Sure, they had no idea that Carr had said they could do it “the easy way or the hard way”. No clue whatsoever. That’s your story?

          2. Chumby   2 months ago

            “Celebrating” wasn’t in the paragraph regarding Kimmel. Try not being a retard. Thanks.

            1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

              It used the wrong sentence from the actual quote below.

          3. SQRLSY   2 months ago

            Scumby-Chump is lying AGAIN! I asked my favorite AI (Perplexity) about it. AI agreed with twat I had read previously... Jimmy Kimmel was fired AFTER the Fed-Goon threats!

            Here is what AI said:

            Brendan Carr's threats **publicly preceded** the firing/suspension of Jimmy Kimmel. Here’s what the news record shows:

            ***

            ### Timeline from the Sources

            - Jimmy Kimmel made controversial remarks about the Charlie Kirk incident on his show that aired **Monday, September 15, 2025**.[1][2]
            - **On September 17, 2025**, FCC Chairman Brendan Carr publicly threatened that ABC and its affiliates could face “consequences”—such as fines or license issues—if Kimmel was not reprimanded for those comments. Carr voiced these threats in interviews and statements on shows hosted by conservative commentators like Benny Johnson and in direct remarks to media outlets.[2][3][4][5]
            - Also **on September 17, 2025**, Nexstar and Sinclair (large ABC affiliate station groups) announced they would drop Kimmel’s show, and by the evening, Disney’s ABC confirmed that “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” was indefinitely suspended.[6][7][8][9]
            - The sequence is confirmed by outlets including ABC, CNN, BBC, and NPR: Carr issued warnings, then affiliates and ABC quickly responded by suspending Kimmel after those threats were publicized.[7][3][8][10][4][5]

            ***

            ### Summary Table

            | Event | Date |
            |----------------------------------------------|----------------------|
            | Kimmel makes controversial comments | Mon, Sep 15, 2025 |
            | Carr issues threats against ABC/Kimmel | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |
            | Affiliates announce plans to drop Kimmel | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |
            | ABC suspends Kimmel show | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |

            ***

            **Conclusion:**
            The threats by FCC Chair Brendan Carr came first and led directly to the rapid sequence of media company responses that resulted in Jimmy Kimmel's show being taken off the air.[3][8][4][5][7]

            [1](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c203n52x1y9o)
            [2](https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/18/did-the-fcc-cancel-jimmy-kimmel/)

            Etc.

            1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

              Sqrlsy is lying again.

              Neither his links nor his own fucking quotes in the post contradict Chumby.

              Everyone is saying Carr's statement happened hours after, but this stupid pile of shit thinks he can trick people by changing the order.

              See:
              | Kimmel makes controversial comments | Mon, Sep 15, 2025 |
              | Carr issues threats against ABC/Kimmel | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |
              | Affiliates announce plans to drop Kimmel | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |
              | ABC suspends Kimmel show | Weds, Sep 17, 2025

              And to refute him and give Hickamore his cites:

              Nexstar (and then Sinclair) announced plans to pre-empt/drop “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” on Sept. 17, 2025, with Nexstar issuing a press release that afternoon. Check the article timestamps.

              https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2025-09-17/nexstars-abc-affiliates-drop-jimmy-kimmel-live-over-charlie-kirk-remarks

              https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2025-09-18/what-are-nexstar-and-sinclair-the-abc-affiliate-owners-who-issued-statements-against-jimmy-kimmel

              https://www.nexstar.tv/nexstar-abc-affiliates-to-preempt-jimmy-kimmel-live-indefinitely-beginning-tonight/

              Brendan Carr’s televised comments came later that night (Sept. 17) on Fox News, reacting to the affiliates’ moves. This was after those articles were posted.

              https://www.foxnews.com/media/fcc-chair-brendan-carr-defends-abc-affiliates-pulling-jimmy-kimmel-show-after-monologue-mocking-charlie-kirk

              Lancaster, Sqrlsy, Jeff, Shrike, Sarc, et al absolutely know that they are lying here but they don't care. They are desperate to distract.

              1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

                AI Perplexity said...

                - The sequence is confirmed by outlets including ABC, CNN, BBC, and NPR: Carr issued warnings, then affiliates and ABC quickly responded by suspending Kimmel after those threats were publicized.[7][3][8][10][4][5]

                With SIX links!!! I can't repeat them all because Reason won't let me do that in one post. I could break it up to 3 posts, butt why should I, PervFected Sea Lion? You are Already PervFected and Mind-Infected In Every Way, and so NO ONE can change Your PervFected Mind! Paranoid Bee-Yotch thinks that the whole world lies, if ANYTHING, ANY facts, that She does SNOT like, cuntradict "Team R" delusions!

              2. Chumby   2 months ago

                They are evil.

              3. Nelson   2 months ago

                His comments came on Benny Johnson’s podcast before Nexstar’s announcement and ABC’s actions.

                It may have been played on Fox later that night, but it was originally aired before that.

                And if you think that’s the first time, out of the blue, that ABC had been told that by the FCC, you’ll believe anything. Although your history shows you’ll believe anything you want to believe, regardless of evidence to the contrary.

                1. Chumby   2 months ago

                  It was Nextar and Sinclair that pulled Kimmel. ABC followed after their two large affiliates said “nope” to Kimmel. Sinclair even requested that the FCC do something in their statement.

                  1. Nelson   2 months ago

                    “ It was Nextar and Sinclair that pulled Kimmel”

                    Sure. They didn’t see a statement by the head of the FCC, of an administration known for retaliating politically against their perceived enemies, and got on the right side of the people who could singlehandedly destroy their business. Your credulity is disappointing, but not surprising.

                    “ Sinclair even requested that the FCC do something in their statement.”

                    And that isn’t a bad thing? Your libertarianism seems to be broken. The people who are championing censorship and retribution against disfavored speech are the bad guys, in case you misplaced your “Basic Principles of Libertarianism” handbook.

                    1. Chumby   2 months ago

                      They had made their decision based on Kimmel’s actions and their sensibilities.

                      You truly are a retarded team blue apologist.

                      The affiliates pulled Kimmel due to his Monday monologue (and potentially abysmal ratings, less than half of “cancelled” Colbert). I don’t own shares in those parent companies; I don’t get a vote. Carr is a red herring.

                    2. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

                      Nelson's a purposeful liar.
                      Carr's interview with Johnson was released after Nextel's announcement.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTyX9JC-rhA

                    3. Nelson   2 months ago

                      “ They had made their decision based on Kimmel’s actions and their sensibilities.”

                      Oh, you were in the room when the decision was made? Your narrative lacks support or logic.

      2. spec24   2 months ago

        Were they or were they not in violation of FCC law?

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Most of reasons and democrats arguments here are not based on the law, buy based on just what they think the law is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          1. Hickamore   2 months ago

            So you are a lawyer? Some here are.

            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

              I know how to look up something prior to make an argument unlike you as proven above. Youre free to look it up yourself, but we know you leftists prefer argument from ignorance.

              1. Hickamore   2 months ago

                There is a reason people like you are not allowed to sign legal pleadings. Actually, several reasons. Same reason I can't fly planes or remove your appendix.

                1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                  This could be one of the most retarded things ever said here. Do you think only lawyers can read laws? Lol.

                  Is this your reasoning behind your ignorance?

                  Non lawyers can actually sign pleadings as well dumbfuck.

                  1. Chumby   2 months ago

                    The “credentialist” card he played.

            2. DesigNate   2 months ago

              I know it’s hard to believe, but most people that can read above grade 12 can usually parse the language of laws.

          2. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

            No, their arguments are based on what the law needs to be to get the outcome they desire.

        2. Nelson   2 months ago

          “ Were they or were they not in violation of FCC law?”

          They were not.

      3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Being a loyal Maddow watchers devoid of actual facts is an unforced error.

        Carr never discussed or contacted Iger or Disney. Affiliates reacted prior.

        The law Carr referenced has been active since 1934. He is following the law. And even said if congress changed it he would follow the new one.

        This js far different than Biden using the IC, Dhs, fbi to force non broadcast entities to censor Americans.

        1. Hickamore   2 months ago

          You can't seriously claim that FCC ever interpreted the 1934 Act to include the power to censor "MAGA using Kirk murder for political gain." Especially since they are. You have a typical lone wolf shooter, yet the claim is that unspecified -- ALWAYS unspecified -- bad "liberal, leftist" actors are inciting murder.

          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

            Parody.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              That word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

          2. Chumby   2 months ago

            Start with Reason’s Matt Welch calling for the murder of conservative press.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              Whataboutism for the win!

              Especially when your “comparison” is between a call for murder and an inoffensive belief about the political identity of the person who murdered Charlie Kirk.

              1. Chumby   2 months ago

                Jesus fucking Christ - please return to HuffPoJr or whatever Act Blue group you used to frequent.

                You have a typical lone wolf shooter, yet the claim is that unspecified -- ALWAYS unspecified -- bad "liberal, leftist" actors are inciting murder..

                That answered his question regarding those on the left inciting murder. Matt Welch did.

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  Matt Welch the libertarian? That’s now your definition of liberal? Someone who doesn’t agree with conservatives all the tome?

                  You know there’s not just two groups, hard right conservatives and liberals. Right?

          3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Its like you see molly and shrike racing for the most retarded takes here and are jealous screaming "hey wait for me guys."

        2. XM   2 months ago

          Remember that reason didn’t even flinch when dem politicians asked local police snd gangs to stop ICE.

          What Carr did was bad optics. It doesn’t even come close to real abuse of power from the left.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

        Canceling a show when the FCC chairman says either do it or we revoke your license is not exactly an unforced decision.

        Feel free to link to the memo.

        1. Nelson   2 months ago

          I see. A statement by the head of the FCC that talks about doing it the easy way or the hard way isn’t valid, you require internal documentation? No, that isn’t ridiculous at all.

      5. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        Lying about what's happening is the favored approach of a TDS addled asswipe.

  5. shrike   2 months ago

    A court just threw out Donnie’s $15 billion defamation lawsuit against the NY Times.

    Fatass would shut down the Times and the Wall Street Journal if he could. He still may.

    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/media/trump-new-york-times-lawsuit-dismissed-merryday

      Judge rejects Trump’s New York Times lawsuit for being ‘decidedly improper and impermissible’

      Boo-Hoo, Team R crybabies!!! YOUR Crybaby in Chief (deservedly, obliviously) just got shit down in flames!!!

      Cry some more, crybabies!!! Shit is only lawfare when the Demon-Craps do shit, right, right-wing wrong-nut crybabies?

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      Everything is falling apart for you and your democrat friends. Please don’t stop, as your idiocy helps turn more people against you and your party.

      That makes it much easier to get rid of you.

  6. Rick James   2 months ago

    It's gonna backfire...

    *leans away, finger to ear piece*

    I'm sorry? Oh, this IS the backfire... well then the backfire is going to backfire.

  7. Rick James   2 months ago

    Low ratings are a violation of the first amendment... or section 230!

  8. Rick James   2 months ago

    Paging Jack Nicastro! Yougov is on line 2!

    1. Chumby   2 months ago

      Think there is a Nick Jacastro? If so, maybe that one is libertarian.

      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        Yes, he exists in the anti matter universe.

  9. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

    Hey dumbfvck, JDV didn’t call for any government action against anyone

    1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

      Remember when the Biden administration didn't call for government action on anyone?

      1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

        Nope, because they actually did tell social media companies to censor, especially during covid.

        1. Hickamore   2 months ago

          Lying about demonstrably safe and vaccines during a public health pandemic is equivalent to "shouting fire in a crowded theater." The Brandenburg court should have recognized that incitement to imminent unlawful action is not the only legitimate basis for speech restriction, given the gravity of the harm. Unfortunately, the plaintiffs in Murthy v. Missouri lacked standing to bring the suit, and the Court averted the opportunity to so declare. The suit required some plaintiff whose speech was allegedly censored. Hmmm. I guess that would be nobody.

          1. Chumby   2 months ago

            Fauci et. al. as well MSM including Reason’s Ron Bailey misreported on how “safe and effective” the vaccines were:

            https://www.bitchute.com/video/PCAdtwAn1PNc/

            The safety was questioned via VAERS reporting and we more recently have the Italy study showing decreased life expectancy for the vaxxed included further reductions for those receiving more shots.

            1. Hickamore   2 months ago

              Clicked the link. This is propaganda, not reporting. All the usual elements: ominous music building to crescendo; ersatz headlines machine-gunning too fast to process. As for questioning, any crackpot can question anything. Does the worldwide epidemiological community question Fauci's claims? Turns out the vaccines were less effective than thought in reducing transmission, BUT WERE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING SEVERE DISEASE REQUIRING HOSPITALIZATION.

              1. Chumby   2 months ago

                So 42% effective = 100% effective? Same thing?

                One can slow or pause the headlines. Reason’s own Ron Bailey is in there pushing progressive propaganda.

                Now you are pushing Fauci’s propaganda. “High effective.” Have you had your monthly booster?

                1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

                  Hey Scumby-Chump:

                  Killing people is good ass long ass anti-vaxxers have their way in promoting anti-vaxism ass THE most fashionable of ALL Marks of Tribal Virtue!!!

                  https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
                  Just LOOK at the interactive graph right at the top of this link!!!! COVID deaths among the unvaccinated VASTLY outnumbered, and still outnumber, the deaths among the vaccinated!!! WHY do You Perfectly Lust SOOOO Much for death and suffering, LYING servant and serpent of communicable diseases?!?!

                  PS, "food" is dangerous! People get sick and even die from food poisoning!!! Be SAFE!!! STOP eating!!!!

                  https://www.businessinsider.com/conservative-radio-hosts-anti-maskers-death-covid-19-2021-9
                  At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
                  Intergalactic or Cosmic-Karmic ironic coincidence, maybe? Or candidates for Darwin Awards?

                  BTW, I am STILL waiting for “the science” concerning sneeze guards at the salad bars, to be settled! Meanwhile, “R” party governors are getting ready for FORBIDDING sneeze guards at the salad bars!!!

                  Who volunteers to eat what MAY be infected mucus from strangers, on their salads, in double-blind, MASSIVELY statistically significant studies, to settle this, for once and for all? Because I just KNOW, oh so VERY well, that once the “science” is settled, there will be NO tribalistic ideologues who will dispute these findings! We are ALL data-driven now!

          2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            And the true Maddow narratives come out. Retards cant help proudly admitting their hypocrisy and ignorance.

            1. Hickamore   2 months ago

              For those of us who don't know, what are "the true Maddow narratives?" Narratives about what?

              1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

                Haha, at least this one is funny.

              2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                Lol. Now he is pretending he isnt a loyal Maddow watcher.

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

            Lying about demonstrably safe and vaccines during a public health pandemic is equivalent to "shouting fire in a crowded theater."

            Julie Powell could not be reached for comment.

          4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

            Fuck off and died, TDS - addled asswipe.

          5. damikesc   2 months ago

            Shouting fire is not illegal, mind you.

            And the vaccines are less safe than other vaccines. Dramaticay ;ess effective to boot.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              Damn, you’ll believe anything. Yiu may be the mist credulous rube of the entire paleocon movement. And there is fierce competition.

              1. damikesc   2 months ago

                I follow science.

                Not "THE SCIENCE"

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  Sure you do. You and RFK. Now tell me about how vaccines cause autism.

          6. Michael Ejercito   2 months ago

            Lying about demonstrably safe and vaccines during a public health pandemic is equivalent to "shouting fire in a crowded theater."

            How so?

          7. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

            They're not sending their best.

        2. SQRLSY   2 months ago

          Hey Peer-of-Satan Satanical... PLEASE point out for us, ideally with some links... Some social media officials or employees who got fined, jailed, or killed for SNOT properly practicing Biden-bidden censorshit?! Or who got sued for $15 billion, or had their broad-cunting licenses threatened?

          1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

            Hey Squirrel, read the fucking twitter files!

            1. Chumby   2 months ago

              Sqrlsy sits when he pees.

            2. SQRLSY   2 months ago

              So You cun't point out ANY social media officials or employees who got fined, jailed, or killed for SNOT properly practicing Biden-bidden censorshit?! Or who got sued for $15 billion, or had their broad-cunting licenses threatened?

              Twat a NUTTER slurprise!

              Biden isn't and wasn't my hero, ever. Butt he never threatened to becum Our Beloved DickTator, like someone I could mention.

              https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
              Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

              The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

              Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).

              Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
              https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
              A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.

              Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
              September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

              Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

              It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Shitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

        3. sarcasmic   2 months ago

          Exactly. They didn’t until they did. And as soon as the proof was exposed people went against the administration.
          The difference here is that when proof is exposed you and the rest of your cult will still defend Trump.
          And by the way, the president initiating lawsuits is government action.

          1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

            And yet somehow, random people on this forum knew it was happening while a bunch of highly educated journalist didn't. You doth protest too much, methinks. Cut the bullshit Sarc; at best, Reason is guilty of incompetence! And so are you, denying everything about what Biden was doing when it was fucking obvious!

            Oh, and just so we are all clear, I do not support what Carr said, nor do I want Trump or anyone in his administration using the government to silence critics. I am however perfectly fine with him calling the assholes who make up the media assholes!

            1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

              When new information confirms a conspiracy theory it doesn’t mean the theorist knew something.

              By the way, why is it that you hate people who change their minds based upon new information and admire people who are impervious to it?

              1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

                "By the way, why is it that you hate people who change their minds based upon new information and admire people who are impervious to it?"

                Bullshit, they were forced to confront when it became undeniable!

                1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                  The question was rhetorical. The answer is that they lack faith in your cult.

                  1. Chumby   2 months ago

                    You have full faith in your cult and defend them daily.

              2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

                "You're only right when the people who were wrong decide you're right."

              3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

                Just for fun, let's take this sentence:

                "When new information confirms a conspiracy theory it doesn’t mean the theorist knew something."

                And take out the adjective "conspiracy":

                "When new information confirms a theory it doesn’t mean the theorist knew something."

                Funny shit.

                1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                  This is the thing. No information ever changed. Nyt could simply no longer deny it. All the evidence we presented remains true to this day. Yet sarc still calla us conspiracy theorists.

                  1. damikesc   2 months ago

                    3 times as many Leftists believe the shooter did it for conservative beliefs than progressive beliefs.

                    In spite of the lack of any remote evidence of any conservative beliefs in the loser.

                    They did what they wanted. Just like calling anybody who disagrees with Democrats is a Nazi.

                    They want us dead. I will not advocate doing the same to them, but make them scared --- terrified --- of trying anything ever again. Guy acts out at a conservative event? Beat him into submission and provide zero eyewitnesses to the incident.

              4. DesigNate   2 months ago

                “When new information confirms a conspiracy theory it doesn’t mean the theorist knew something.”

                It literally does. Even if it was just enough to make a wild guess.

                1. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

                  Otherwise known as an Educated Guess.

                  (as opposed to the lefts' Indoctrinated Denial of Reality)

      2. spec24   2 months ago

        No. We actually have the documentation that says otherwise.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          Crowder had the documentation the next morning.

      3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        They did, proven fact. While you’re a drunken liar.

    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Amazing how quick they jumped on this story while they ignored it for years under Biden.

      1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

        Reason had no problem with social media companies deplatforming the right because it was "muh private companies". Even though we all knew it was because of pressure from the Biden administration, but that was a "conspiracy theory." Right up until Elon released the twitter files.

        Now, I'm not happy with guys like Carr threatening to use government power to punish people for speech. But, I'd be lying if I said it didn't give me some sick, sadistic pleasure to watch the left reap what they've sown. Especially since they have been attacking a man murdered for just wanting to speak.

        1. spec24   2 months ago

          And that's the difference between the right and the left. No one on the left had any issue with what Biden had done. But on the right, almost everyone I see has an issue with the idea that Trump or anyone else in the administration would be stifling someone's free speech.

          1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

            Also, Carr jawboning about consequences could be policy changes or short term suspension not exile from society or death.

        2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Carr came out yesterday and said he's open to congress changing the 1934 law he had to follow as FCC commissioner.

      2. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

        Disingenuous Fake Libertarians Pounce!

        1. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

          Soros Shills Pounce!
          Useful Idiots Pounce!
          Bolshevik Bitches Pounce!
          Lying Lefty Scumbags Pounce!
          Assholes Pretending Boaf Sidez! Pounce!

          More pouncing going on today than I've seen in a long time. Must be right over the target.

          1. Chumby   2 months ago

            Pounce de Leon would pounce if he could.

    3. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

      I think there’s a substantive difference between the FBI telling companies that the Hunter Biden story is misinformation and to silence discussion of it, and calls to punish people who celebrated a murder.

      JD Vance simply suggested using speech to combat speech. “Call them out. Call their employer.”

      Yes, this is about canceling people for remarks, but it’s not remarks about gendered bathrooms or crude jokes, it’s remarks approving of and rooting for political assassinations. I think we can say that people maybe should be forced to own the consequences of rooting for murder.

      1. Chumby   2 months ago

        For sarc, it is all about the who and not the what.

        1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

          Fucking liar! Sarc is making well-deserved fun of YOU and YOUR sick ilk, and You PervFectly KNOW shit! Asshole AuthorShitarians like YOU are the ones for whom shit's all about the who and not the what-twat! All fucking day, every day! Scumby-Chump the LIAR!!!!

      2. Hickamore   2 months ago

        Examples of "rooting for murder?" Strikes me as equally overbroad as "Me Too." When terms are undefined, then everybody is Weinstein and everybody is Robinson. This is why, in the law, vague criminal statutes are unconstitutional.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          We've already determined your intentional ignorance. Stories are legion at this point dumdum.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

          Examples of "rooting for murder?

          Besides a whole bunch of comments on Troonsky (ask lefty Jesse Singal about that particular purity spiral)?

        3. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

          "Examples of "rooting for murder?"'

          Here's one: https://x.com/MattWelch/status/1102654202545913857

          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

            I would love to meet Welch face to face and challenge him to make good on his threats.

        4. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

          I mean, there's plenty of threads you could look up.

          https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1965859610402894205?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1965859610402894205%7Ctwgr%5E2e30a552ccdd55e6bd68f2c4fc93bbc84a50e7f2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Freason.com%2F2025%2F09%2F11%2Fcharlie-kirk-assassinated%2F

          That one was linked by Liz Wolfe in a morning roundup. You can find others all over twitter or bluesky. LibsofTikTok also endured all the laughing on Tiktok.

          You're willfully ignorant if you pretend this never happened.

        5. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          Liar or ignorant?

          1. DesigNate   2 months ago

            I’m getting pushed random YouTubers discussing leaving the Democrat Party where they are showing all these people’s TikTok videos.

            Anyone that says it’s not happening at this stage in the game is willfully lying out of their ass.

        6. Chumby   2 months ago

          This is a woefully ignorant statement. Start with Reason’s own Matt Welch.

        7. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          Good thing intentional imbecility isn't illegal; you'd never get out from behind bars, shitstain.

        8. damikesc   2 months ago

          No need to demonstrate that you are a moron.

      3. Hickamore   2 months ago

        You don't seem to grasp that Vance is speaking as a government official. Imagine if VP Kamala Harris had called on people to dox the homophobes, get them fired.
        What Kimmel said was obviously not "approval of and rooting for political assassinations." The FCC Chair called it, absurdly, "sick conduct," knowing that speech is protected but conduct is not. And since when is a bureaucrat's opinion of "sickness" a test of the permissibility of broadcast content? Kimmel said "the MAGA crowd is using the Kirk murder for political gain." Which is exactly what Carr himself was doing. Arousing public fervor to justify silencing those who already condemned Kirk's white christian nationalism long before he became a "martyr" to that foul cause.

        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          You don't seem to grasp that Vance is speaking as a government official. Imagine if VP Kamala Harris had called on people to dox the homophobes, get them fired.

          Yep, definitely parody.

        2. Chumby   2 months ago

          Parody.

    4. Chumby   2 months ago

      Lancaster is taking a run at Tony’s title belt.

  10. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    If power-hungry government officials did not have regulatory authority under Federal law over everything from A to Z and from soup to nuts in the first place, simple statements of opinion by them would be irrelevant. But with an uncountable number over four thousand current laws and regulations listed in the Code of Federal Regulations, any offhand comment by the President or any other Federal official is very realistically interpreted by private enterprise as a direct threat to their investments and livelihoods. It should be illegal for officials to speculate about administrative actions or threaten "investigations" in the jawboning arena. But more importantly almost every law, regulation, regulatory agency and unconstitutional Department should be eliminated as soon as possible, firing ninety percent of Federal employees in the process as they become useless and abate this intolerable nuisance.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      It should be illegal for officials to speculate about administrative actions or threaten "investigations" in the jawboning arena.

      So add more laws to the number of laws you complain about. Do you ever think logically?

      1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

        Did I say "add more laws?" Do you ever think about what I say or do you just knee-jerk your assumption that I must be automatically wrong? I believe jawboning is already illegal - as it "should" be - and I believe that the Supreme Court has already ruled it so on more than one occasion.

    2. DesigNate   2 months ago

      Or, and hear me out, abolish those laws.

      1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

        I believe they are already illegal if only the Supreme Court had done its job over the centuries and struck down the unconstitutional ones.

  11. LISAFdn   2 months ago

    Show me where in the First Amendment it says you are free to say things disrespectful about President Trump and the most successful Administration in history..

    All it says is some claptrap about "no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." That doesn't mean you're free to criticize the President.

    1. Hickamore   2 months ago

      Smile.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        Asswipe.

    2. shrike   2 months ago

      This sounds like parody but it is exactly what Trump Cultists think.

      Nicely done.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. DesigNate   2 months ago

        Not surprised your dumbass actually believes that and lacks the ability to read the fucking comments saying the opposite.

      3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        What happened to your account that posted links to child porn?

      4. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        Leftard Self-Projection 101.

    3. Chumby   2 months ago

      Sockpuppet, Trump is an asshole.

    4. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Retarded.

    5. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      NO ONE dare criticize Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder-Taxer-Tariffer-Pussy-Grabber of the lowly peons!!! NO ONE!!! All Hail Dear Leader Trumpfenfarter-Fuhrer NOW!!!

      https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelabramwell/reactions-trumps-tweet-about-law-violation
      "He who saves his Country does not violate any Law." Said Dear Orange DickTator.
      "Wants to be a dictator. If you don't see it it means you don't want to," former Trump White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci said.

      Mussolini: “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”
      Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the law.”
      Napoleon: “I am the revolution.”
      Francisco Franco: “I am responsible only to God and to history.”

      Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the LAW.” For emphasis... Of all of the quotes, this one most clearly shows that Shitler and Orange Shitler are Bros... Piss in a pod, who want to piss on us all, and turn us all into Pod People!

    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

      Not a whole lot of fun when it's your side getting the "liberating tolerance," is it?

    7. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      Fuck off and die shitstain.

    8. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      Fuck off and die asswipe.

      1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   2 months ago

        You said it. Twice.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          Shits like you need repetition, asswipe

    9. DesigNate   2 months ago

      This is a piss poor troll.

      Goddamn they don’t send their best.

    10. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

      Who said anyone was "free" in America? People who believe in "liberty" do not necessarily believe that anyone is free to do whatever they like whenever they like wherever they like. What people who believe in the principles of liberty generally believe is that the only limits on each of our freedoms is the equal freedoms of the people around us. As long as you don't initiate force against others (i.e. commit a "crime") the first amendment forbids the government from punishing you for holding or expressing your opinions. The President and other officials, therefore, cannot punish Kimmel for expressing his opinion no matter how stupid or vicious it is. And by the way, the law that allows the FCC to regulate "content" aired by local stations is unconstitutional and should have been ruled so when it was first passed by Congress.

    11. damikesc   2 months ago

      Don't you have videos celebrating a murder of a political opponent to make?

  12. rswallen   2 months ago

    > "When you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out. And hell, call their employer," Vice President J.D. Vance said while guest-hosting Kirk's podcast this week. "We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility."

    > Vance's argument bears a striking resemblance to the comments made just a few years ago by his ideological enemies. When certain public and not-so-public figures received backlash for offensive statements, some commentators noted that this was not cancel culture, it was "consequence culture"—people merely experiencing the consequences of their actions.

    Are we still trying to compare celebrating murder with political hottakes?

    1. Michael Ejercito   2 months ago

      Anyone remember Emmanuel Cafferty?

      https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdge-worker-fired-over-alleged-racist-gesture-says-he-was-cracking-knuckles/2347414/

  13. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

    Joe proving once again that no matter how much you hate journalists you don't hate them nearly enough.

    Not a word of the last 2 decades of leftists normalizing violence against conservatives making the atmosphere for the assassination, instead he pulls RedWedding#2 Welch out as one of the cool heads declaring that now is not the time to fight back. Fuck you, you dishonest leftist cunt that was all ass covering for their prior calls to violence.

    1. shrike   2 months ago

      Over 90% of all politically motivated murders were done by conservatives. Start with Dylann Roof, the Buffalo murders, and El Paso. That is over 30 for starters.

      Yeah, I know. Steve Scalise got wounded. That’s about all you had before Kirk.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

        LOL, yeah, if you go by The Nation's dumb criteria. Tell us another one.

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        turd, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS - addled lying pile of lefty shit.

      3. spec24   2 months ago

        I'm not sure how you can be this retarded. First off, it's nowhere near 90%, even by the absurd standards of the Left. And yeah, if you ignore prople who weren't political figures, you'll come up with a slight lead from the "right" (supposedly), as long as you go back far enough. However, these numbers ignore regular people, who neither you or any of the scumbags on the left care about. BLM riots alone are responsible for 36 deaths. Even Jan 6th had the death of someone in the right who no one have a shit about. However, have a thug criminal kill himself while you're trying to subdue him due to his lack of compliance, and the Left will murder you without a second thought. You'll notice that I'm talking about mobs of people. Mobs of leftists who thought it was perfectly acceptable to act the way they did. Sure, once in awhile you get some loan lunatic on the right, but on the left it's entire groups of people working together to terrorize people. Are you f****** out of your mind? They also think nothing of vandalizing people's cars and destroying dealerships that sell a car by a man whose opinion they disagree with. Eat s*** you f****** scumbag.

        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

          It’s not even .9%.

        2. Hickamore   2 months ago

          "Even Jan 6th had the death of someone in the right who no one have a shit about." Yeah. Someone in the act of doing precisely what Capitol police are authorized to shoot for, breaking by force into the Speaker's chambers. And backed by a mob illegally in the Capitol on a day not open to the public. As for "no one gave a shit about," Trump paid $5M your money to settle the "wrongful death" suit that would otherwise have failed. Imagine someone like Robinson, backed by a mob, tried breaking into the same chambers now occupied by Livingston.

          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

            bot fight!

          2. Chumby   2 months ago

            Civil trespass by one unarmed person does not rose to the use of deadly force no matter how many times you screech about it.
            There are millions of people that have overstayed their visas and have had deportation orders issued. Other than the Nardz of the world, people are not calling for those illegal aliens to be shot on sight. Just apprehended and then deported.

          3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Cite the law that let's Capitol officers shoot unarmed people.

          4. damikesc   2 months ago

            Where was her, uh, due process? Is that ONLY for gang members who beat their wives and traffic people?

      4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

        You’ve already been slapped around multiple times when you’ve puked out this pathetically obvious lie.

      5. DesigNate   2 months ago

        Hahahahahahaha

        Never change demshill.

  14. Marshal   2 months ago

    And yet the fallout of Kirk's murder has revealed a disturbing hostility toward free speech on the political right.

    What's interesting about this is how freely Reason indicts the entire right. When the left violates libertarian principles Reason is always careful to minimize it. Recent examples include saying "some on the left" or carefully limiting the analysis to note "no elected Democrats".

    It seems most Reasoners are cultural leftists who identify libertarian because they can't stomach the left's economic idiocy. But they seem to embrace the non-economic leftist principles including using of double standards to denigrate the right.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      ^+1, as in the lies in the above article: Hint, hint, nudge, nudge; CAN'T YOU SEE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

    2. Chumby   2 months ago

      Well said.

    3. spec24   2 months ago

      Nailed it.

    4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 months ago

      You’re very close. Reason writers are largely political hipsters, and the libertarian claim is just cosplay, so they can be edgy. But within acceptable democrat guidelines.

      1. JasonT20   2 months ago

        You’re very close. Reason writers are largely political hipsters, and the libertarian claim is just cosplay, so they can be edgy. But within acceptable democrat guidelines.

        I've only learned one thing about libertarianism in the years that I've been visiting this website. No one can be a real libertarian if they disagree with you about anything. (And if you aren't libertarian, then that is even more true.)

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          ^ This steaming pile of lying shit thinks those of other views need to be murdered:

          JasonT20
          February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
          “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

          Fuck off and die, shitstain.

    5. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

      "What's interesting about this is how freely Reason indicts the entire right. When the left violates libertarian principles Reason is always careful to minimize it."

      Exactly! You can always tell a flat-out shill when you put what they say on a balance scale. And when it always falls to the same side, well, voila! Toute Merde!

    6. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      Or they identify as libertarian because even Slate and Vox won't take them.

    7. Hickamore   2 months ago

      Libertarianism is and has always been "socially liberal, fiscally conservative." Consistent in principle. I quit being a libertarian on I realizing that freedom requires a level playing field which unregulated free markets can never provide. That's a higher consistency. The starving man is not free, and a crony capitalist is not a free marketeer.

      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        Libertarianism is and has always been "socially liberal, fiscally conservative."

        Haha, see? Parody.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          Naah. Just a good old slimy pile of ignorant lefty shit.

        2. Nelson   2 months ago

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

          Not really. Conservatives who want to pretend they’re libertarian believe that libertarianism is socially conservative and fiscally conservative, because that way a pure conservative can pretend to be something else.

          1. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

            The true answer is that libertarianism, as an ideology, is socially agnostic and fiscally conservative.

            Because if your only principal is to leave the government out of it, you can have social values that go any direction. You can attend pride parades or you can boycott businesses that do their pride-month pandering. You can be a misogynist or a misandrist. You can love multiculturalism or you can be a blatant racist who hates people don't speak good English. You can find bakeries that will "Bake the cake, bigot," or find bakeries that refuse to bake the damn cake.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              No, socially liberal. As in permissive of more things.

              Conservatism supports a reduction of choices based on past choices by dead people. It’s called tradition and, in a socially liberal environment, isn’t relevant to anyone. But in a socially restrictive environment, it justifies infringing on the freedom of others to make choices for themselves.

              To conservatives, tradition and a specific, arbitrary moral code are a justification for restricting the choices of others. And they have wielded their power to restrict freedom with brutality and callousness throughout history.

              The baseline social freedom should be that any exercise of rights should be supported unless it infringes on someone else’s rights. That is what social liberalism is, and what conservatives oppose.

      2. DesigNate   2 months ago

        Imagine thinking “freedom requires a level playing field”.

      3. Chumby   2 months ago

        “freedom requires a level playing field”

        LOL. Perhaps freedom from consequences.

      4. TJJ2000   2 months ago

        How to speak contradiction 101.
        1 - There is no such thing as 'Crony Capitalist' it's is 'Socialist'.
        2 - There is no freedom loss in a man starving by his own choice not to feed himself.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          And the only way to starve in the US is by choice.

          1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

            In a *real* USA correct.
            In a [D] Nazi-Empire that (steals) food/earnings incorrect.
            [D]s struggle to comprehend that 1(-1)=0.

      5. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

        Except, evemtually, social liberalism is incompatible with fiscal conservatism as it will always start asserting positive rights.

  15. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "Should Elected Officials Censor Americans? Trump's Administration Says Yes."
    Joe Lancaster is a lying pile of TDS-addled slimy shit who should fuck off and die.

  16. spec24   2 months ago

    Tell me more about freedom of speech that requires a license, Reason. Might want to look into the requirements of those licenses.

    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      Thou wanteth a license, ye say? Thou must first and foremoist sucketh the Great Orange Dick of THE Great Leader, Bleeder and Taxer-Tariffer and Pussy-grabber In Chief of ALL of the Lands and ALL of the Glands of the peons!!!

      ALL HAIL Dear Leader Trumpfenfarter-Fuhrer, peons!!! Bow low NOW!!!

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ Might want to look into the requirements of those licenses.”

      What requirement did ABC violate by allowing Kimmel to speak his opinion on a comedy show?

  17. damikesc   2 months ago

    Saying "call out their employers" does not SOUND like incoming fascism. Must be more of those dogwhistles lefties hear so often.

    1. JasonT20   2 months ago

      Saying "call out their employers" does not SOUND like incoming fascism. Must be more of those dogwhistles lefties hear so often.

      You really don't understand what "dogwhistles" are.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        ^ This steaming pile of shit thinks those of other views need to be murdered:

        JasonT20
        February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
        “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

        Fuck off and die, asswipe.

      2. damikesc   2 months ago

        How, PRECISELY, it is "fascism"?

        And do you not realize that your constant refrain of "This thing I dislike is fascism" has led to your side becoming murderous sociopaths?

        1. Nelson   2 months ago

          Using government power to silence criticism of the ruling power is a foundational building block of fascism. And this government has openly and repeatedly threatened those who speak out against it with government retaliation.

          I realize you want desperately to obfuscate the fascist tendencies of this President and the ruling party, but that only works if you surrender on the points that aren’t rationally defensible. Like this one.

          1. damikesc   2 months ago

            He is not advocating using government power. He is advocating they reach out to their bosses or HR and have them deal with it. That is the opposite of government interference.

            ...though people would be wiser to use OSHA, since HR cannot kill it, you'll be anonymous, it is free, and the high up execs have to be involved.

            1. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

              And further, I don't find it really unseemly for people to be canceled for their videos celebrating murder. There was a fucking nutcase who made a TikTok saying, "But we can't stop there, you need to kill his wife and kids because they're tainted by the same lineage." I don't see anything wrong with people using her own words to say, "Is this a person you want to be associated with?"

              It's different than trying to get a baseball player fired for having made racist jokes when he was 17.

              1. Nelson   2 months ago

                “ And further, I don't find it really unseemly for people to be canceled for their videos celebrating murder”

                The problem is that Jimmy Kimmel said nothing even a little bit like that. He said, in essence, that Charlie Kirk’s murderer was a fellow traveler with the MAGA movement. That hasn’t turned out to be true (just like the conservative accusations that he was some lefty Antifa terrorist, we should note). He didn’t talk about Kirk at all, except as the victim. He didn’t make any comment, one way or the other, about Kirk or his family.

                This is what happens in a manufactured controversy. Kimmel did nothing wrong, so those who think he should be forced off the air try to connect him to people saying truly awful things to hide the fact that he didn’t do anything wrong in the first place.

                Charlie Kirk was a terrible person. But he shouldn’t have been murdered. And his family certainly shouldn’t be threatened (an exception to the First Amendment). At all.

                And certainly not because they were related or married to a terrible person. If that were a justification, people would be dropping like flies.

                “ There was a fucking nutcase who made a TikTok saying, "But we can't stop there, you need to kill his wife and kids because they're tainted by the same lineage."”

                There’s always a nutcase like that. The world is full of hateful and cruel people. We used to have politicians and public figures who tried to lower the temperature. Now that sort of talk gets you labeled a RINO or DINO, depending on which fringe is talking.

                “ It's different than trying to get a baseball player fired for having made racist jokes when he was 17.”

                Or a late night talk show host for expressing opinions that the President and his supporters don’t like.

  18. StevenF   2 months ago

    Your headline is a LIE.

    1. LIBtranslator   2 months ago

      Pick up on the doublethinking sockpuppet!

  19. Bowerick Wowbagger   2 months ago

    Wait, is Reason on the pro free speech side again? It’s been a while.

    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      Twat, like 27 minutes or so?

    2. LIBtranslator   2 months ago

      Uh hilk, uh hilk... anuthir sawkpoopette, projectile vomiting...

  20. LIBtranslator   2 months ago

    07NOV1938: 15-year-old Jewish refugee youth shoots nazi! Herschel Gryznspan shot nazi diplomatic clerk Ernst Vom Rath at the German Embassy in Paris. "Boy Kills Nazi" reverso headline was pretext for Kristallnacht disarming of all potential euthanees.
    Kristallnacht, literally, "Night of Crystal," is often referred to as the "Night of Broken Glass," the wave of violent anti-Jewish vandalism two days later. Cui bono in the current flap?

    1. Chumby   2 months ago

      You’re giving JFree a lady boner.

    2. DesigNate   2 months ago

      Only one group has been engaging in actual Kristallnacht, Hankie, and it’s not those Comstock loving GOP…

      1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

        Trumpanzees went apeshit and had an insurrection riot. When did the HillaryPanzees or other Demon-Craps do anything similar to THAT? Or have the POTUS blessing "Hang Kamala Harris", the way that Dear Orange Leader blessed "Hang Mike Pence"?

        1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

          You know that didn't happen, you lying fuck, and I've given you the links many times to prove it.
          M.Scott Peck was writing about you.

          1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

            You're lying! I have links to prove what I say, and You PervFectly do SNOT!

        2. DesigNate   2 months ago

          1. It was not an insurrection, no matter how many times you bleat that it was.

          2. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2016/11/11/protests-against-donald-trumps-win-turn-violent

          And https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march

          I can link you a ton more, but server squirrels only allow two at a time. Sorry you were asleep from 2016 to 2021, that’s one hell of a nap.

          Edit: I’ll also note that Hank wasn’t talking about the capital riots, he referenced a specific thing that the Nazi’s did to Jews. I pointed out that the ones doing that today are Democrats. But thanks for your non-sequiter.

    3. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

      There are literally Brown Shirts on the streets of NYC right now attacking Jews for being Jewish, and breaking the windows of Jewish shops. And they don't vote Republican, Hank.

      If you want to shake your fist at fascist devils, go look in the mirror.

  21. LIBtranslator   2 months ago

    North Koreans who fail to mourn dead dictators in a sincere and loyal manner are liable to arrest. That totalitarianism is in the same square of the Nolan chart as the Trumpanzista kleptocracy.
    A British channel covers the recent visit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq7-F7_4Ldk

    1. Chumby   2 months ago

      Americans who refused to kneel during the coronation of Biden were treated as InSuReCtIoNiStS.

      1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

        Citation please! Slutations from whore-for-lies Scumby Chump alone, are SNOT persuasive!

        1. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

          You still lie about "hang Mike Pence" and hang Milley, yet you still have the balls to demand Chumby give you a cite for something you already know is true?
          You're such fucking garbage.

          1. Chumby   2 months ago

            I muted the schizophrenic shit eater about a year ago. Not even the MAPedos ever give him a “right on.” His insanity is ignored even by the cognitive dissonance sufferers.

            1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

              Some, Scumby-Chump's mind-reading tinfoil hate-hat KNOWS when I have posted something... Without shit using ANYTHING except shit's mind-reading tinfoil hate-hat to peer through the gray boxes!

              (Scumby Chump is entirely TOOOO Pure and Clean (and snooty to booty) to read the posts of the suspected illegal sub-humans and the unclean ones. Virtuous ass all Hell and git-out, shit is!)

            2. damikesc   2 months ago

              I ignored him about as soon as the option to mute appeared.

              I have missed absolutely nothing.

              1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

                Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, Damned-and-Sick, and ALL of your other socks…
                How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?

                Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to severely constrict these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!

                So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!

                “Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
                Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)

                (Etc.)

                See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/

                (And Asshole Extraordinaire will NEVER take back its' totalitarian bullshit!!!! 'Cause Asshole Extraordinaire is already PERFECT in every way!!!)

                This (above damikesc quote) is a gem of the damnedest dumbness of damikesc! Like MANY “perfect in their own minds” asshole authoritarians around here, he will NEVER take back ANY of the stupidest and most evil things that he has written! I have more of those on file… I deploy them to warn other readers to NOT bother to try and reason with the most utterly unreasonable of the nit-wit twits around here!

  22. JohnZ   2 months ago

    The truth is, the Democrat party is filled with demons. Radical, armed socialist groups, trans liberationists, ANTIFA,BLM, leftists of every sort. many of them armed and waiting for the perfect moment to explode.
    The Democrat party is on its way to self destruction. All we can do is sit back and watch it destroy itself but......be prepared for the violence that will ensue as the leftist will seize complete power of what remains and if a Democrat is in the White House, they will use that as an approval of their violence.

    1. JasonT20   2 months ago

      The truth is, the Democrat party is filled with demons.

      Wow, here's someone that heard commentary about how some people are "demonizing" those that disagree with them on politics. Then, he took that as a challenge to do exactly that himself, rather than hearing the criticism and dangers of it. Finally, he took it literally on top of everything else.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        ^ This slimy pile of shit thinks those of other views need to be murdered:

        JasonT20
        February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
        “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

        Fuck off and die, shitstain.

      2. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

        Stop behaving like demons, bro, if you don't want to be called that. Stop killing people who disagree with your enthusiasm for child castration, debanking and baby abattoirs.

        It's that easy.

        1. JasonT20   2 months ago

          Stop behaving like demons, bro, if you don't want to be called that. Stop killing people who disagree with your enthusiasm for child castration, debanking and baby abattoirs.

          Are you seriously going to say that I need to stop doing any of those things? Fuck off and recognize that you're the problem when you can't distinguish between a murderer and someone you argue with on the internet.

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

            ^ This assholic pile of lying shit thinks those of other views need to be murdered:

            JasonT20
            February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
            “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

            Fuck off and die, shitstain.

          2. damikesc   2 months ago

            "Are you seriously going to say that I need to stop doing any of those things? Fuck off and recognize that you're the problem when you can't distinguish between a murderer and someone you argue with on the internet."

            Your side MURDERED a guy who was willing to argue with you.

            We. Do. Not. Trust. You.

            Your side killed that. And the applause, celebration, and justification of the act certainly does little to make one trust you more.

            Sorry if that is not you --- but your side did it and you have not called them out at all for it.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              “ Your side MURDERED a guy who was willing to argue with you.”

              No, you myopic fool. A person murdered Charlie Kirk. Your “us against them” worldview is the problem.

              I will say it like most people who were disgusted by Kirk’s misogynist, bigoted, theocratic, homophobic schtick say it:

              1) Kirk should not have been murdered.
              2) The world is slightly less bad without Charlie Kirk.

              That isn’t celebrating murder, that’s condemning murder while pointing out that Charlie Kirk isn’t someone worthy of praise just because a horrible thing was done to him.

              But to you, that’s the same as some random sicko talking about killing Kirk’s wife and family which, it goes without saying, is also horrible.

              “ We. Do. Not. Trust. You.”

              Right back at you, you paleocon theocrat. That doesn’t mean anyone is a murderer, or celebrating murder or condoning murder or apologizing for murder. The lunatic fringe (where you and the leftie whackjobs who applaud Kirk’s death live) projects selective outrage when their side gets targeted, but handwaves away things like Paul Pelosi getting attacked with a hammer (or worse, jokes about it) or Steve Scalise getting shot. You and your fellow extremists of all stripes are the problem. Anyone who believes that only one side is virtuous and everyone else is evil is the problem.

        2. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

          How many embryos did Bessent flush to get his two perfect babies??

          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

            How hard are you working to get that precious 2nd brain cell, asswipe?

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ The truth is, the Democrat party is filled with demons”

      Well if your church is looking for a new pastor, your ideal candidate just became available.

      https://www.wboc.com/news/liberalism-is-domestic-terrorism-local-minister-s-sermon-sparks-backlash/article_8088f5f0-4ae8-4e9e-8d4f-719fd451f12b.html

      A local priest made the point that people who have any sense of decency already know: hate and violence aren’t limited to one side of the political spectrum.

      “When he slams all liberals as somehow being domestic terrorists, he’s slamming me,” Harris said. “And I don’t think of myself as a domestic terrorist.”

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        Well, a leftist shot up an ABC affiliate and another one shot up a country club, killing one.

        Your side has a problem. A big one. Hard to justify not viewing anybody with leftist leanings as a potential murderer.

        1. Nelson   2 months ago

          First, it’s not “my side”. I’m a libertarian eho believes that your “us vs. them”, “we are virtuous and they are evil” worldview is the problem. The fact that you happen to be on the lunatic fringe of the right and others are on the linatic fringe of the left doesn’t make a difference. When you assume you are good and your perceived enemies are bad, you expose yourself as a hateful person.

          “ Hard to justify not viewing anybody with leftist leanings as a potential murderer.”

          It’s easy for decent people to justify. I imagine it’s impossible for you.

  23. damikesc   2 months ago

    It is gonna be like this, Joe.

    I support free speech.

    I will not waste a moment of my time defending the rights and protections of those who will happily suppress mine.

    THEY can live by the rules they set up.

    The Left is evil. Not mistaken...evil.

    1. JasonT20   2 months ago

      I support free speech.

      This is a provably false statement.

      I know you're going to dispute this. You might even explain, in detail, why it isn't false. I'll just put my reply to that here now, to save time.

      Nuh-uh, is so.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        ^ This steaming pile of shit thinks those of other views need to be murdered:

        JasonT20
        February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
        “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

        Fuck off and die, shitstain.

      2. damikesc   2 months ago

        I fully support free speech.

        But given your fondness of shutting down people you disagree with and your side's elation at murdering somebody you disagree with --- I will not waste any effort on protecting your right.

        Those who want to steal my rights do not get my protection of theirs.

        Don't worry, though --- unlike a leftist, if I saw somebody I disagree with being assaulted, I would step in and try and save them.

        Because I'm a human. And we have to be caring for those lesser than us.

        Like leftists.

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ I support free speech.”

      No, you support Mike-approved speech and cheer when those you disagree with are punished by the government. That’s not supporting free speech.

      “ The Left is evil. Not mistaken...evil.”

      Evil isn’t limited to one side of the political aisle. For example, you display evil traits frequently and you aren’t any kind of liberal. Or even a moderate.

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        Nope, I love free speech.

        But I will not spend a moment defending yours. You are the enemy. You laughed and smiled as people got suppressed for years. You need to live by the rules you advocated for.

        I have managed to not murder anybody nor celebrate the murder of anybody. Your side can't do either.

        1. Nelson   2 months ago

          “ You are the enemy”

          No, I’m not.

          “ You laughed and smiled as people got suppressed for years.”

          No, I didn’t. Very specifically and constantly, I spoke up in defense of free speech. Charlie Kirk was a terrible person, but I have never supported suppressing the speech of terrible people, which is why I openly supported the “Jews will not replace us” neo-Nazi torch marchers at the Unite the Right rally.

          “ You need to live by the rules you advocated for.”

          I do. Speech that is disfavored or hateful or cruel or racist or misogynistic or just plain lies (like that the 2020 election was stolen) should always be protected. Which is why the pogrom against Kimmel is something I oppose. I don’t find him funny, but that isn’t a reason for the government to threaten retaliation.

          “ I have managed to not murder anybody nor celebrate the murder of anybody. Your side can't do either.”

          “My side” doesn’t do either of those things, either. Because they are wrong.

          I have no idea what sort of caricature you have built in your mind and pasted me on to, but it bears no resemblance to me. And I don’t know what sort of twisted “your side” strawman you have imagined, but virtually no one resembles that, either.

  24. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    RU sure your name isn't Josephine?
    This article reads just like moronic drama from girly-gossip central.
    He said ... She said and that's why 'cancel culture' is all Trumps Fault! /s

  25. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    According to the steaming pile of lying TDS-addled shit Lancaster, those in the Trump Administration are not allowed to have opinions on what others say.
    FUCK YOU and your "censorship" lies, steaming pile of TDS addled shit! Fuck off an die, asswipe!

  26. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    BTW, TDS-addled asswipe, like Rob Schneider, I'm still waiting...
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T9sg43boDQ4

  27. JohnZ   2 months ago

    I'm in favor of free speech: deport Ilhan Omar!

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      So keep Gaetz but deport Ilhan…gay much??

  28. AT   2 months ago

    Reason's Christian Britschgi wrote

    Reason citing Reason! *drink*

    "I would think maybe their [broadcast] license should be taken away," President Donald Trump told reporters this week on Air Force One, about TV networks.

    Which TV Networks? Answer's kinda important!

    "When you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out. And hell, call their employer," Vice President J.D. Vance said

    If I see someone spit in my coffee I'd call them out, and call their employer. Why shouldn't I? Am I just supposed to swallow their free speech? Suppose I'd yet to pay for it. Sure, I could walk away and leave - but don't you think management, indeed all the other consumers, would want to know there's a guy there that spits in your coffee to express his views in a way that's grossly objectionable?

    When certain public and not-so-public figures received backlash for offensive statements, some commentators noted that this was not cancel culture, it was "consequence culture"—people merely experiencing the consequences of their actions.

    See, what's laughable at this whole line of attack on the right lately is the stark difference between what's being objected to. The right calling out the left is calling them out for subjectively offensive statements - ones, in particular, in which that subjectivity is shared by pretty much any normal human being because they breach all levels of decency and civility.

    The left, on the other hand, was calling out the right was (and still is) unilaterally calling them out simply for saying objectively true things. George Floyd was a drug-addicted career criminal. The black community in general commits more gang violence than any other demographic. There's no such thing as a transgender. The LGBT Pedos have an oddly disproportionate rate of predatory behavior towards children and likelihood of finding child pornography and/or evidence of sexual assault. Facts about illegals. Facts about muslims. Pick your sacred cow.

    These are all objectively true things - but the difference between the left and the right is, the left doesn't want true stuff said out loud. THAT'S what they try to cancel people for.

    Also, worthy of note - the right only goes after the left for contemporaneous douchebaggery. The left, on the other hand, goes looking for stuff said 20-30yrs ago, often taken out of context, as any excuse to try and cancel. While simultaneously ignoring the exact same offense committed by one of their own (eg. Trudeau's and Kimmel's blackface performances, Obama/Pelosi's early position on the LGBT Pedos, etc).

    "The First Amendment to the Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its content," according to the American Civil Liberties Union.

    Yea, but that doesn't protect you from the other people or from your employer.

    1A protects against government intrusion. It doesn't provide a safety bubble for you to be an insufferable prick.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      They justify murdering people for saying things they do not like.

      They CELEBRATE murdering people for saying words they do not like.

      They advocate killing those people's CHILDREN and SPOUSES because they said words they do not like.

      THAT, according to Reason, is not chilling to free speech.

      Calling them out for doing so --- that is, apparently.

      1. Nelson   2 months ago

        “ They justify murdering people for saying things they do not like.”

        Who is “they”? I haven’t seen anything like that here. I’ll summarize for you:

        1) Yes, Charlie Kirk was an awful person, a misogynist, a bigot, and a theocrat.
        2) Yes, the world is a slightly better place without Charlie Kirk in it.
        3) No, he shouldn’t have been murdered.
        4) No, there isn’t any valid justification for murdering Charlie Kirk.

        Can you comprehend, or do I need to ise smaller words for you?

        “ They advocate killing those people's CHILDREN and SPOUSES because they said words they do not like.”

        Who is it you’re painting with your broad brush? Because yiur take here is insane.

        1. AT   2 months ago

          1) Yes, Charlie Kirk was an awful person, a misogynist, a bigot, and a theocrat.
          2) Yes, the world is a slightly better place without Charlie Kirk in it.

          None of those things are true. And I defy you - like he would have - to argue to the contrary.

          You can't, you know you can't - but then you're not really the one controlling your brain, are you.

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ Which TV Networks? Answer's kinda important!”

      No, it isn’t. Taking away licenses from TV networks because they say things the President doesn’t.

      “ Am I just supposed to swallow their free speech?”

      Yes. That’s what free speech is. If I can defend the right of torch-wielding Nazis to march and chant “Jews will not replace us”, you can defend the right of people like Jimmy Kimmel saying mildly anti-MAGA things.

      If you’re referring to your analogy, equating free speech to someone spitting in your coffee is so clearly a dishonest metaphor even you can notice it.

      “ The right calling out the left is calling them out for subjectively offensive statements”

      What Jimmy Kimmel said isn’t even subjectively offensive, never mind objectively offensive. And opposing government censorship means that you support people’s right to say patently, obviously, objectively offensive things. That’s the speech that has to be defended.

      “ ones, in particular, in which that subjectivity is shared by pretty much any normal human being because they breach all levels of decency and civility.”

      Your ability to gauge normal people, civility, and decency has been demonstrated, repeatedly, to be non-existent.

      “ George Floyd was a drug-addicted career criminal”

      And that doesn’t give the police the right to murder him. You couldn’t miss the point any worse if you tried.

      “ The black community in general commits more gang violence than any other demographic.”

      Poverty and violent criminality have a much stronger correlation than race and violent criminality. The fact that a much larger percentage of blacks are poor explains the discrepancy much better than the racist assumption that black people are more prone to violent criminality because they’re black.

      Also, you should look into the difference between correlation and causation.

      “ There's no such thing as a transgender”

      How odd. I can find it in every dictionary and it has a massive presence in internet discussions. An amazing situation for something that doesn’t exist.

      “ The LGBT Pedos have an oddly disproportionate rate of predatory behavior towards children”

      They don’t. Religious figures and sitting Presidents have much higher pedophilia rates.

      “ likelihood of finding child pornography and/or evidence of sexual assault”

      The predominant race, gender, and sexual orientation of possessors of child porn and child rapists are white, male, and straight.

      “ Facts about illegals”

      That they’re less violent and less criminal than American citizens? We all know this.

      “ Facts about muslims”

      Pretty much everything that conservative bigots believe about Muslims are demonstrably untrue, except for the fact that some sects require the wearing of head scarves.

      “ These are all objectively true things”

      Literally everything you listed wasn’t even subjectively true, never mind objectively true. Your bigotry is making your brain cease to function.

      “ the right only goes after the left for contemporaneous douchebaggery”

      Really? Because one of the common refrains from the MAGA idiocracy is that the Democrats are the party that is racist because they supported Jim Crow laws in the 50s and 60s (while insisting that the, in historical terms, instantaneous shift in the voting patterns of the South had nothing to do with a Democratic President pushing for racial equality). I’m at a loss as to how that is relevant six decades later, but Brett Bellmore loves to claim it (along with various other Lost Cause pseudohistory).

      “ Yea, but that doesn't protect you from the other people or from your employer.”

      The First Amendment protects private citizens and companies from the government discriminating against them for their speech. Besides the fact tha the ideal of free speech should be upheld on general principles even when the government isn’t involved, in this case the government specifically threatened to censor companies if they didn’t change their conduct”. Literally hours after the FCC chair threatened to do things “the easy way or the hard way”, two affiliate groups acquiesced to the government’s demands. And they did it over an innocuous, but probably inaccurate, statement.

      “ It doesn't provide a safety bubble for you to be an insufferable prick.”

      And yet you’re still employed. I wonder if your employer knows what you think and say? Because you say things much more offensive and untrue than Kimmel did on a regular basis. In the very post I’m responding to, no less.

      1. AT   2 months ago

        No, it isn’t.

        Yes, it is - but thank you very much for illustrating your ignorance on the subject.

        you can defend the right of people like Jimmy Kimmel saying mildly anti-MAGA things.

        It wasn't anti-MAGA. It straight up intentional lying to his audience.

        equating free speech to someone spitting in your coffee is so clearly a dishonest metaphor even you can notice it.

        It's how I express my contempt for the ugly shirt you're wearing. Don't you dare try and censor me. If you don't like it, you don't have to drink the coffee.

        That’s the speech that has to be defended.

        Actually, speech only has to be "defended" from the government. That's not in play here. What we're talking about - try to stay on the ball - is the social response to a dirtbag with his mouth open making noises come out of it.

        And that doesn’t give the police the right to murder him.

        Dude, do you have like ADD or something? We're not TALKING about his death. We're talking about the fact that he was a drug-addicted career criminal. AN UNDISPUTED FACT.

        And yet, because people didn't want to hear that, they were silenced.

        You're here trying to equate telling lies with stating facts, and saying they're equal under the banner of free speech. You could not be more wrong.

        Poverty and violent criminality have BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

        AGAIN, we're not talking about race/crime correlations. We're talking about THE TRUE FACT that the black community commits more gang violence.

        How odd. I can find it in every dictionary and it has a massive presence in internet discussions.

        So does Santa Claus.

        They don’t.

        Your problem is CLEARLY with the ability to discern fact from fiction.

        Oh, right, because you're an NPC.

        Go ahead and copy/paste this to BlueSky and download your reply. I'll wait.

  29. shadydave   2 months ago

    Here's Jimmy Kimmel free speech martyr:

    https://www.imdb.com/news/ni63790092/

  30. Incunabulum   2 months ago

    Lancaster, there is only going to be one set of rules. Make them live up to their own principles, that is their rule after all.

    You don't like it? Should have spoken up louder when they were cancelling the right.

  31. Mother's Lament   2 months ago

    I posted the timeline with cites for Kimmel's firing and Carr's comments above, but I'll post it here too:

    Nexstar (and then Sinclair) announced plans to pre-empt/drop “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” on Sept. 17, 2025, with Nexstar issuing a press release that afternoon. Check the article timestamps.

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2025-09-17/nexstars-abc-affiliates-drop-jimmy-kimmel-live-over-charlie-kirk-remarks

    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2025-09-18/what-are-nexstar-and-sinclair-the-abc-affiliate-owners-who-issued-statements-against-jimmy-kimmel

    https://www.nexstar.tv/nexstar-abc-affiliates-to-preempt-jimmy-kimmel-live-indefinitely-beginning-tonight/

    Brendan Carr’s televised comments came later that night (Sept. 17) on Fox News, reacting to the affiliates’ moves. This was after those articles were posted.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/fcc-chair-brendan-carr-defends-abc-affiliates-pulling-jimmy-kimmel-show-after-monologue-mocking-charlie-kirk

    TLDR. Lancaster is being deliberately deceitful in order to misrepresent what happened.

    Lancaster, Sqrlsy, Jeff, Shrike, Sarc, et al absolutely know that they are lying here but they don't care. They are desperate to distract.

    1. Chumby   2 months ago

      Math is racist and so are timelines. It helps destroy the team blue narratives.

      1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

        So hilarious that Carr went on Benny Johnson’s show claiming Kimmel was victim blaming (he wasn’t) when Johnson actually engaged in victim blaming with respect to Paul Pelosi’s attack by “just asking questions” with the implication the attacker was a gay homeless prostitute hired by Pelosi.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          How hard are you working to get that precious 2nd brain cell, asswipe? Not nearly hard enough.
          Fuck off and die, shitstain.

          1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

            Said the farmer to the fox. 😉

    2. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      Scumby-Chump is lying AGAIN! And now Moose-Mammary-Necrophiliac is dog-piling more lies on top of the heap of lies! I asked my favorite AI (Perplexity) about it. AI agreed with twat I had read previously... Jimmy Kimmel was fired AFTER the Fed-Goon threats!

      Here is what AI said:

      Brendan Carr's threats **publicly preceded** the firing/suspension of Jimmy Kimmel. Here’s what the news record shows:

      ***

      ### Timeline from the Sources

      - Jimmy Kimmel made controversial remarks about the Charlie Kirk incident on his show that aired **Monday, September 15, 2025**.[1][2]
      - **On September 17, 2025**, FCC Chairman Brendan Carr publicly threatened that ABC and its affiliates could face “consequences”—such as fines or license issues—if Kimmel was not reprimanded for those comments. Carr voiced these threats in interviews and statements on shows hosted by conservative commentators like Benny Johnson and in direct remarks to media outlets.[2][3][4][5]
      - Also **on September 17, 2025**, Nexstar and Sinclair (large ABC affiliate station groups) announced they would drop Kimmel’s show, and by the evening, Disney’s ABC confirmed that “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” was indefinitely suspended.[6][7][8][9]
      - The sequence is confirmed by outlets including ABC, CNN, BBC, and NPR: Carr issued warnings, then affiliates and ABC quickly responded by suspending Kimmel after those threats were publicized.[7][3][8][10][4][5]

      ***

      ### Summary Table

      | Event | Date |
      |----------------------------------------------|----------------------|
      | Kimmel makes controversial comments | Mon, Sep 15, 2025 |
      | Carr issues threats against ABC/Kimmel | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |
      | Affiliates announce plans to drop Kimmel | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |
      | ABC suspends Kimmel show | Weds, Sep 17, 2025 |

      ***

      **Conclusion:**
      The threats by FCC Chair Brendan Carr came first and led directly to the rapid sequence of media company responses that resulted in Jimmy Kimmel's show being taken off the air.[3][8][4][5][7]

      [1](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c203n52x1y9o)
      [2](https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/18/did-the-fcc-cancel-jimmy-kimmel/)

      Etc.

      For emphasis I repeat:

      - The sequence is confirmed by outlets including ABC, CNN, BBC, and NPR: Carr issued warnings, then affiliates and ABC quickly responded by suspending Kimmel after those threats were publicized.[7][3][8][10][4][5]

      Ask the AI (Perplexity) for Your PervFected, Mind-Infected Selves, fanatics, and see what answer YOU get! Or is the whole world cuntspiring against Your PervFected Selves?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        Return of LYING SPASTIC ASSHOLE!
        Fuck off and die.

    3. Nelson   2 months ago

      The comments by Carr came on a podcast that aired a few hours before Nexstar and Sinclair made their announcements, which came an hour or teo before ABC made their announcements.

      That is the timeline.

  32. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago
  33. SQRLSY   2 months ago

    Duplicunt cumment deleted. I don't know why this shit happens sometimes...

    (At least I'm snot ass empty-headed and repetitive ass Sevo the Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo... I know that's snot saying much...)

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      Sure, zest kitten. Meow!

  34. TrueLibertarian2   2 months ago

    Free speech does have limits. Yelling, “fire!” In a crowded theater, and inciting violence are legitimate crimes. Libel is a civil offense.

    What Kimmel said is repulsive and reprehensible, but he had his free speech and used it. He must live with the consequences.

    When two large conglomerates of ABC stations announced that they would preempt Kimmel’s show, it was private sector organizations policing their own programming.

    The FCC and Brendan Carr have no business being involved.

    The Democrats have no moral authority on this issue. They seem to have started this kind of thing with cancel culture, and had no problem with private companies canceling their opponents.

    Republicans are better off with a so-called “truth” war room to respond to Democrats’ lies and mischaracterizations. Democrats have been using this tactic for years now.

    Trump is right that the major networks and some of the cable news channels are little more than mouthpieces for the Democratic Party. As long as corporations are people (which is correct), they have freedom of speech and press. They cannot be discriminated against, which is why they are people and why the government should stay out of it, unless there is a civil rights violation.

    You can always turn off the television or watch something else. We have that freedom, too. You can complain to the company that runs the station and boycott the advertisers - another Democrat tactic.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "Free speech does have limits. Yelling, “fire!” In a crowded theater,.."

      You are a lying pile of steaming lefty shit. Fuck off and die, asswipe

    2. damikesc   2 months ago

      Yelling fire in a theater, in and of itself, is not illegal.

    3. AT   2 months ago

      The FCC and Brendan Carr have no business being involved.

      Good thing they weren't then.

    4. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      Bingo! I stopped listening to Clay Travis because of his repulsive victim blaming of Paul Pelosi…but notice how Biden didn’t order the FCC to get him kicked off of broadcast radio??

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        The sort of brainless false equivalence we've come to expect and get from the brain-dead asswipe SBF. Thanks, asshole!

        1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

          So you disagree with Carr and Johnson?? Because what Republicans did for months was engage in victim blaming of Paul Pelosi for getting attacked…and Clay Travis even had to continue to lie when the bodycam video was released because he couldn’t come to terms with what he and other Republicans had done for months.

    5. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      "The FCC and Brendan Carr have no business being involved."

      The evidence of our senselessness proves you to be WRONG, TrueLibertarian2! TWAT are ye being TRUE to-too-2-tutu, TrueLibertarian2?!?! Individual FREEDOM?!?! Free speech, resistance to and against censorShit??!?! Twat pathetically quaint and obsolete cuntcepts!!! Get with the Program TODAY, Dude or Dudette!!! The Program TODAY is Worshit of Government Almighty and Dear Orange Leader, ParaShitical Bleeder-Tariffer-Taxer-Pussy-Grabber of the peons! All Hail!

      Government Almighty is just trying to PROTECT us all from Devious and Dangerous Deadly Medical Implements of Mass Death and Destruction, for example, I say unto Ye! Just LOOK at this deadly instrument known ass the "lung flute" for example!

      Butt don’t you see, SOME professions NEED to be SUPER-highly educated to that they can PROTECT us benighted peons! Think of super-highly edumacated DOCTORS of Expert Medical Doctorology, who protect us from the use of not-properly-authorized DANGEROUS medical implements of mass death and destruction, such ass cheap plastic flutes, AKA, the dreaded, complex and dangerous LUNG FLUTE!!!

      To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

  35. XM   2 months ago

    The hypocritical left and the tds ridden “reason” writers can resort to this pathetic false equivalency by intentionally failing to distinguish puritanical overreach and plain despicable behavior that merits action.

    Firing someone over a gay joke he made 10 years ago is cancel culture. If you came to my mother’s funeral and called her a whore during the eulogy, it’s not cancel culture for my church to rat out the fucker to his boss. “No stop you guys are committing cancel culture” You’d have to be chemjeff obtuse ti say this.

    You’re telling me if a 100 people posted online “All Asians are guilty of Covid and must pay” I’d be part of a mob if I reported thrm to HR? Is that where we are now in this whataboutism game? I can’t engine in activism against evil lest it looks like cancel culture?

    Kirk didn’t die from cancer or a car accident. He was assassinated. If Barack Obama was assassinated during a black college engagement all Americans had a moral obligation to mourn his death. Any right winger openly celebrating his death should be rightfully shamed and fired.

    Just because the government shouldn’t allowed to determine “hate” doesn’t mean WE can’t. Private businesses can fire whoever they want. If it’s arbitrary, we can speak out. If someone was as retarded as Kimmel, nit use won’t object to his dismissal.

    I have to say, Lancaster is one of the most dishonest writers here. He gives lip service to the notion that the right was CC victim, other just repeats talking points by the left on how we’re hypocrites on free speech. Like Trump calling the press that lied to prosecute him an enemy is some crisis against free expression.

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   2 months ago

      Once again, if the theater is on fire you can yell, “fire!” So if your mother was a whore then at her funeral I can call her a whore…or sex worker or hooker or whatever we are saying after Anora.

  36. nicmart   2 months ago

    Populists aren't conservatives.

  37. Neutral not Neutered   2 months ago

    Private companies can hire and fire and discipline as they see fit.

    Government employees however are different. Since they work for the government they are beholden to the laws against discrimination. This is anyone paid with public funds...

    Some speech is considered criminal and can be charged. Inciting violence, threatening violence can be considered crimes.

    Kimmel was fired not because of the FCC or Carr.

    Does Kimmel hit the threshold of inciting violence due to his speech? Well he did spread complete lies and falsely accused people of being responsible for the assassination.

    What people should be thinking about is how all these predictions and accusations from the democrats and the media that somehow Maga, conservative, GOP or anyone not progressive is a threat to democracy, the folks are racist, misogynist, deplorable, violent or in any way similar to the criminal progressives who continue to attack police, loot businesses, threaten, abuse, injure and murder innocent people while cheering on the sick and twisted cowardly acts.

    People must open their eyes and see the truth for what it is, agree with it or not. The violence is coming from the left and it is being stoked by the media and incited by the democrats through their speech and is supported through their soft on crime, no bail, anti law enforcement policies.

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