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Free Speech

Should Elected Officials Censor Americans? Trump's Administration Says Yes.

Vice President J.D. Vance and Sen. Cynthia Lummis are among the latest conservatives to turn their backs on free speech when it comes to their ideological opponents.

Joe Lancaster | 9.19.2025 4:03 PM

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Last week, a gunman in Utah shot and killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk. It was a brutal and tragic event, regardless of one's politics. And yet the fallout of Kirk's murder has revealed a disturbing hostility toward free speech on the political right.

Republicans have long cast themselves as defenders of free speech against cancel culture and the censorial impulses of the political left. And there was merit to the argument—Reason has covered many cases of overreach.

But over the last week, MAGA Republicans have scoured social media for government employees posting about Kirk's murder, contacting employers in an attempt to get them fired. "Kirk's online defenders have snitch-tagged the employers of government workers over social media posts saying they don't care about the assassination, that they didn't like Kirk even as they condemn his assassination, and even criticizing Kirk prior to his assassination," Reason's Christian Britschgi wrote this week. Even for nongovernmental employees, social media detectives apparently compiled a database with tens of thousands of people who criticized Kirk, including their names and employers.

Of course, that's just people online. It's not like those with government power are advocating such a thing, right?

"I would think maybe their [broadcast] license should be taken away," President Donald Trump told reporters this week on Air Force One, about TV networks. "All they do is hit Trump. They're licensed. They're not allowed to do that."

"When you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out. And hell, call their employer," Vice President J.D. Vance said while guest-hosting Kirk's podcast this week. "We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility."

Vance's argument bears a striking resemblance to the comments made just a few years ago by his ideological enemies. When certain public and not-so-public figures received backlash for offensive statements, some commentators noted that this was not cancel culture, it was "consequence culture"—people merely experiencing the consequences of their actions.

It's no surprise that Trump has no principles on free speech—from the beginning of his first term, he called the press the "enemy of the American people." But Vance's position marks a notable pivot from just a few months ago.

"Just as the Biden administration seemed desperate to silence people for speaking their minds, so the Trump administration will do precisely the opposite," Vance said in a speech at the Munich Security Conference in February. "Under Donald Trump's leadership, we may disagree with your views, but we will fight to defend your right to offer them in the public square, agree or disagree."

Now, Vance seems less keen on defending someone's right to offer views that he personally disagrees with. Unfortunately, he's not alone.

This week, Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr criticized TV host Jimmy Kimmel for comments made about Kirk during his show. Carr openly intimated that ABC should take action or potentially face reprisal; within hours, the network suspended Kimmel's show indefinitely. (Trump later praised Carr as "outstanding. He's a patriot. He loves our country, and he's a tough guy.")

Of course, when the opposing party was in power, Carr recognized the error of such a threat. In 2022, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg told podcaster Joe Rogan that during the 2020 election, Facebook artificially decreased the spread of a story about Hunter Biden in response to a request from the FBI.

"The government does not evade the First Amendment's restraints on censoring political speech by jawboning a company into suppressing it—rather, that conduct runs headlong into those constitutional restrictions, as Supreme Court law makes clear," Carr posted on X in response. Now that government power is in his hands, Carr apparently has fewer qualms about wielding it like that.

Other officials have made their shifting beliefs more blatant.

"Under normal times, in normal circumstances, I tend to think that the First Amendment should always be sort of the ultimate right. And that there should be almost no checks and balances on it. I don't feel that way anymore," Sen. Cynthia Lummis (R–Wyo.) told Semafor on Thursday. "We just can't let people call each other those kinds of insane things and then be surprised when politicians get shot and the death threats they are receiving and then trying to get extra money for security."

Lummis' complaint sounds like a more aggressive version of the heckler's veto, a "form of censorship, where a speaker's event is canceled due to the actual or potential hostility of ideological opponents," wrote Zach Greenberg of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. In Lummis' telling, the government must punish people for saying offensive or inflammatory things because of how others might respond.

That's not only completely wrong, it's unconstitutional.

"The First Amendment to the Constitution protects speech no matter how offensive its content," according to the American Civil Liberties Union. "Speech that deeply offends our morality or is hostile to our way of life warrants the same constitutional protection as other speech because the right of free speech is indivisible: When we grant the government the power to suppress controversial ideas, we are all subject to censorship by the state."

Lummis, Vance, and Carr apparently see no problem policing offensive speech, at least when they're the ones who are offended.

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  1. sarcasmic   7 hours ago

    2022: THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS CENSORING AMERICANS!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

    2025: IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT CENSORSHIP THEN YOU'RE A LEFTIST MARXIST WITH TDS!!!

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    1. spec24   6 hours ago

      Yeah, not a thing. Their actions are actually pissing off their base.

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      1. sarcasmic   5 hours ago

        I’ll believe it when I see it.

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        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   1 hour ago

          1 day ago
          I’ll also agree I didn’t like the FCC guys comments, just for the record to preempt sarc’s bullshit when he recovers later this morning.

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      2. LIBtranslator   2 hours ago

        Dem kowtowing to Chinese communism instead of repealing laws jailing hippies and brown people for harmless plants were what installed Donald in the 2016 election. The effect of THAT spoiler clout was they suddenly realized the importance of repealing prohibition laws AFTER Gary Johnson's votes covered the gap in 13 States casting 127 electoral votes. Yet they still cling like lampreys to fairytales of Sharknado warmunism in blind zeal to help the communists hobble the generating capacity that creates wealth. That's a learning disorder.

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  2. windycityattorney   7 hours ago

    JD Vance is still mad about the whole couch fucking meme.

    Trump's position is relatively simple to understand: if the statements or reporting are positive of him, its acceptable. If its negative, it needs to be shut down and potentially criminalized. Like suggesting RICO criminal charges for people who... disturbed his dinner. Somebody needs to slap this fool because he says shit like this and people who know its ridiculous and are close to him are afraid to tell him its ridiculous. But I guess that is what happens when you surround yourself with sycophants.

    Carr is just a craven douche. Say the things dear leader wants to hear and maybe he will be able to keep his job. Pathetic really.

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    1. sarcasmic   6 hours ago

      Trump did say that the biggest mistake of his first term was not surrounding himself with yes-men, and he made sure not to repeat it.

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      1. shrike   6 hours ago

        He has the lackeys now. Look at Patel covering up Donnie’s involvement with Epstein.

        Remember, lackey Bondi has the files on her desk.

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        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

          turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

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        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

          You’re boring, and fairly stupid. Why don’t you just go back to huffing spray cans and jacking it to child porn?

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        3. LIBtranslator   2 hours ago

          THAT's working well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brZHqvBcXo4

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

      Slimy Pile of Not An Attorney is still jealous others can get fucked while every woman in the world laughs at his tiny dick.
      Fuck off and die, asswipe.

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      1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   4 hours ago

        Those "tiny dick" jokes transcend the generations - always get the grade schoolers going...

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  3. shrike   6 hours ago

    Donnie is making Mr Patriot Act Dubya look like a libertarian.

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    1. Chumby   6 hours ago

      https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

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      1. SQRLSY   5 hours ago

        Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authoritarians KNOW this already!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

        All of the GOOD totalitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

      turd, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

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    3. LIBtranslator   1 hour ago

      More like Goring making Goebbels look like a more altruistic Christian National Socialist.

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  4. Chumby   6 hours ago

    A rainbow cultist gunman killed Charlie Kirk.

    Carr is allowed to criticize a late night talk show host under 1A; Kimmel being taken off the air was from the affiliates. Did the affiliates need congressional approval to do this?

    Public educators and healthcare professionals that openly celebrated the assassination of someone call into question their ability to objectively educate or provide healthcare services. It also opens up liability for the conservative kid that didn’t receive the grade they thought they earned or the next of kin when the medical care was questionable. And the folks paying for those services - they are expressing their voices. Those terminations are employer decisions just like when Reason opted to retain Matt Welch who posted on social media that he wanted conservative media members invited to a red wedding.

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    1. shrike   6 hours ago

      Fatass Donnie is on record saying he wants other shows critical of him off the air. Even the stupid gabfest The View.

      Chumface the MAGA shill. What a sorry lot you drew.

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      1. Chumby   6 hours ago

        https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy

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        1. SQRLSY   5 hours ago

          Hey Scumby-Chump...

          Sure… All of those who disagree with MEEEE are… Mentally ILL!!! YES, this! Good authorShitarians KNOW this already!

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

          All of the GOOD totaliShitarians KNOW that those who oppose totalitarianism are mentally ill, for sure!!!

          If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFarter-Fuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
          https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
          People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.

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      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

        Cite missing from trud's, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

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        1. SQRLSY   3 hours ago

          Hey Sevo, Supreme Pedo and Hippo in a Speedo... Twat IS a "trud", anyway? Are YE a PervFected and Mind-Infected "trud", pervhaps? PLEASE define "trud" for us?

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      3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

        https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html

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    2. Hickamore   6 hours ago

      Canceling a show when the FCC chairman says either do it or we revoke your license is not exactly an unforced decision. It's yielding to official government coercion. Meanwhile, are you equating Kimmel's comment about MAGA using the murder for political gain with "celebrating the assassination?"

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      1. Chumby   6 hours ago

        The affiliates pulled Kimmel off the air. Carr’s statement followed.

        Please cite where you think I am trying to equate Kimmel’s comments with celebrating the assassination.

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        1. Hickamore   1 hour ago

          I can't find a timeline showing who pulled Kimmel when. Do you have a link?
          "Celebrating": just asking, not accusing.

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          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   1 hour ago

            Sinclair statement has been posted here multiple times retard.

            https://sbgi.net/sinclair-says-kimmel-suspension-is-not-enough-calls-on-fcc-and-abc-to-take-additional-action/

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            1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   45 minutes ago

              Any idea, or way to find out, the time of the statement?

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          2. Chumby   1 hour ago

            “Celebrating” wasn’t in the paragraph regarding Kimmel. Try not being a retard. Thanks.

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            1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   47 minutes ago

              It used the wrong sentence from the actual quote below.

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      2. spec24   6 hours ago

        Were they or were they not in violation of FCC law?

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

          Most of reasons and democrats arguments here are not based on the law, buy based on just what they think the law is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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          1. Hickamore   1 hour ago

            So you are a lawyer? Some here are.

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            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   1 hour ago

              I know how to look up something prior to make an argument unlike you as proven above. Youre free to look it up yourself, but we know you leftists prefer argument from ignorance.

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              1. Hickamore   1 hour ago

                There is a reason people like you are not allowed to sign legal pleadings. Actually, several reasons. Same reason I can't fly planes or remove your appendix.

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          2. Social Justice is neither   32 minutes ago

            No, their arguments are based on what the law needs to be to get the outcome they desire.

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      3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

        Being a loyal Maddow watchers devoid of actual facts is an unforced error.

        Carr never discussed or contacted Iger or Disney. Affiliates reacted prior.

        The law Carr referenced has been active since 1934. He is following the law. And even said if congress changed it he would follow the new one.

        This js far different than Biden using the IC, Dhs, fbi to force non broadcast entities to censor Americans.

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        1. Hickamore   1 hour ago

          You can't seriously claim that FCC ever interpreted the 1934 Act to include the power to censor "MAGA using Kirk murder for political gain." Especially since they are. You have a typical lone wolf shooter, yet the claim is that unspecified -- ALWAYS unspecified -- bad "liberal, leftist" actors are inciting murder.

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   52 minutes ago

            Parody.

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      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 hours ago

        Canceling a show when the FCC chairman says either do it or we revoke your license is not exactly an unforced decision.

        Feel free to link to the memo.

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      5. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

        Lying about what's happening is the favored approach of a TDS addled asswipe.

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  5. shrike   6 hours ago

    A court just threw out Donnie’s $15 billion defamation lawsuit against the NY Times.

    Fatass would shut down the Times and the Wall Street Journal if he could. He still may.

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    1. SQRLSY   5 hours ago

      https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/19/media/trump-new-york-times-lawsuit-dismissed-merryday

      Judge rejects Trump’s New York Times lawsuit for being ‘decidedly improper and impermissible’

      Boo-Hoo, Team R crybabies!!! YOUR Crybaby in Chief (deservedly, obliviously) just got shit down in flames!!!

      Cry some more, crybabies!!! Shit is only lawfare when the Demon-Craps do shit, right, right-wing wrong-nut crybabies?

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

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    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

      Everything is falling apart for you and your democrat friends. Please don’t stop, as your idiocy helps turn more people against you and your party.

      That makes it much easier to get rid of you.

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  6. Rick James   6 hours ago

    It's gonna backfire...

    *leans away, finger to ear piece*

    I'm sorry? Oh, this IS the backfire... well then the backfire is going to backfire.

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  7. Rick James   6 hours ago

    Low ratings are a violation of the first amendment... or section 230!

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  8. Rick James   6 hours ago

    Paging Jack Nicastro! Yougov is on line 2!

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    1. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Think there is a Nick Jacastro? If so, maybe that one is libertarian.

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

        Yes, he exists in the anti matter universe.

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  9. But SkyNet is a Private Company   6 hours ago

    Hey dumbfvck, JDV didn’t call for any government action against anyone

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    1. sarcasmic   6 hours ago

      Remember when the Biden administration didn't call for government action on anyone?

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      1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   6 hours ago

        Nope, because they actually did tell social media companies to censor, especially during covid.

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        1. Hickamore   6 hours ago

          Lying about demonstrably safe and vaccines during a public health pandemic is equivalent to "shouting fire in a crowded theater." The Brandenburg court should have recognized that incitement to imminent unlawful action is not the only legitimate basis for speech restriction, given the gravity of the harm. Unfortunately, the plaintiffs in Murthy v. Missouri lacked standing to bring the suit, and the Court averted the opportunity to so declare. The suit required some plaintiff whose speech was allegedly censored. Hmmm. I guess that would be nobody.

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          1. Chumby   5 hours ago

            Fauci et. al. as well MSM including Reason’s Ron Bailey misreported on how “safe and effective” the vaccines were:

            https://www.bitchute.com/video/PCAdtwAn1PNc/

            The safety was questioned via VAERS reporting and we more recently have the Italy study showing decreased life expectancy for the vaxxed included further reductions for those receiving more shots.

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            1. Hickamore   1 hour ago

              Clicked the link. This is propaganda, not reporting. All the usual elements: ominous music building to crescendo; ersatz headlines machine-gunning too fast to process. As for questioning, any crackpot can question anything. Does the worldwide epidemiological community question Fauci's claims? Turns out the vaccines were less effective than thought in reducing transmission, BUT WERE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING SEVERE DISEASE REQUIRING HOSPITALIZATION.

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          2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

            And the true Maddow narratives come out. Retards cant help proudly admitting their hypocrisy and ignorance.

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            1. Hickamore   1 hour ago

              For those of us who don't know, what are "the true Maddow narratives?" Narratives about what?

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              1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   43 minutes ago

                Haha, at least this one is funny.

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          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 hours ago

            Lying about demonstrably safe and vaccines during a public health pandemic is equivalent to "shouting fire in a crowded theater."

            Julie Powell could not be reached for comment.

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          4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

            Fuck off and died, TDS - addled asswipe.

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          5. damikesc   4 hours ago

            Shouting fire is not illegal, mind you.

            And the vaccines are less safe than other vaccines. Dramaticay ;ess effective to boot.

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          6. Michael Ejercito   2 hours ago

            Lying about demonstrably safe and vaccines during a public health pandemic is equivalent to "shouting fire in a crowded theater."

            How so?

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          7. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   1 hour ago

            They're not sending their best.

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        2. SQRLSY   5 hours ago

          Hey Peer-of-Satan Satanical... PLEASE point out for us, ideally with some links... Some social media officials or employees who got fined, jailed, or killed for SNOT properly practicing Biden-bidden censorshit?! Or who got sued for $15 billion, or had their broad-cunting licenses threatened?

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          1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   5 hours ago

            Hey Squirrel, read the fucking twitter files!

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            1. Chumby   5 hours ago

              Sqrlsy sits when he pees.

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            2. SQRLSY   5 hours ago

              So You cun't point out ANY social media officials or employees who got fined, jailed, or killed for SNOT properly practicing Biden-bidden censorshit?! Or who got sued for $15 billion, or had their broad-cunting licenses threatened?

              Twat a NUTTER slurprise!

              Biden isn't and wasn't my hero, ever. Butt he never threatened to becum Our Beloved DickTator, like someone I could mention.

              https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
              Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?

              The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?

              Totalitarians want to turn the GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).

              Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
              https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
              A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.

              Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
              September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.

              Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

              It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Shitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?

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        3. sarcasmic   5 hours ago

          Exactly. They didn’t until they did. And as soon as the proof was exposed people went against the administration.
          The difference here is that when proof is exposed you and the rest of your cult will still defend Trump.
          And by the way, the president initiating lawsuits is government action.

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          1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   4 hours ago

            And yet somehow, random people on this forum knew it was happening while a bunch of highly educated journalist didn't. You doth protest too much, methinks. Cut the bullshit Sarc; at best, Reason is guilty of incompetence! And so are you, denying everything about what Biden was doing when it was fucking obvious!

            Oh, and just so we are all clear, I do not support what Carr said, nor do I want Trump or anyone in his administration using the government to silence critics. I am however perfectly fine with him calling the assholes who make up the media assholes!

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            1. sarcasmic   3 hours ago

              When new information confirms a conspiracy theory it doesn’t mean the theorist knew something.

              By the way, why is it that you hate people who change their minds based upon new information and admire people who are impervious to it?

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              1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 hours ago

                "By the way, why is it that you hate people who change their minds based upon new information and admire people who are impervious to it?"

                Bullshit, they were forced to confront when it became undeniable!

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                1. sarcasmic   1 hour ago

                  The question was rhetorical. The answer is that they lack faith in your cult.

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              2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   1 hour ago

                "You're only right when the people who were wrong decide you're right."

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      2. spec24   6 hours ago

        No. We actually have the documentation that says otherwise.

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      3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

        They did, proven fact. While you’re a drunken liar.

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   6 hours ago

      Amazing how quick they jumped on this story while they ignored it for years under Biden.

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      1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   6 hours ago

        Reason had no problem with social media companies deplatforming the right because it was "muh private companies". Even though we all knew it was because of pressure from the Biden administration, but that was a "conspiracy theory." Right up until Elon released the twitter files.

        Now, I'm not happy with guys like Carr threatening to use government power to punish people for speech. But, I'd be lying if I said it didn't give me some sick, sadistic pleasure to watch the left reap what they've sown. Especially since they have been attacking a man murdered for just wanting to speak.

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        1. spec24   5 hours ago

          And that's the difference between the right and the left. No one on the left had any issue with what Biden had done. But on the right, almost everyone I see has an issue with the idea that Trump or anyone else in the administration would be stifling someone's free speech.

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          1. Social Justice is neither   5 hours ago

            Also, Carr jawboning about consequences could be policy changes or short term suspension not exile from society or death.

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        2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

          Carr came out yesterday and said he's open to congress changing the 1934 law he had to follow as FCC commissioner.

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      2. Juliana Frink   5 hours ago

        Disingenuous Fake Libertarians Pounce!

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        1. Juliana Frink   5 hours ago

          Soros Shills Pounce!
          Useful Idiots Pounce!
          Bolshevik Bitches Pounce!
          Lying Lefty Scumbags Pounce!
          Assholes Pretending Boaf Sidez! Pounce!

          More pouncing going on today than I've seen in a long time. Must be right over the target.

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          1. Chumby   5 hours ago

            Pounce de Leon would pounce if he could.

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    3. A Thinking Mind   6 hours ago

      I think there’s a substantive difference between the FBI telling companies that the Hunter Biden story is misinformation and to silence discussion of it, and calls to punish people who celebrated a murder.

      JD Vance simply suggested using speech to combat speech. “Call them out. Call their employer.”

      Yes, this is about canceling people for remarks, but it’s not remarks about gendered bathrooms or crude jokes, it’s remarks approving of and rooting for political assassinations. I think we can say that people maybe should be forced to own the consequences of rooting for murder.

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      1. Chumby   6 hours ago

        For sarc, it is all about the who and not the what.

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        1. SQRLSY   5 hours ago

          Fucking liar! Sarc is making well-deserved fun of YOU and YOUR sick ilk, and You PervFectly KNOW shit! Asshole AuthorShitarians like YOU are the ones for whom shit's all about the who and not the what-twat! All fucking day, every day! Scumby-Chump the LIAR!!!!

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      2. Hickamore   5 hours ago

        Examples of "rooting for murder?" Strikes me as equally overbroad as "Me Too." When terms are undefined, then everybody is Weinstein and everybody is Robinson. This is why, in the law, vague criminal statutes are unconstitutional.

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

          We've already determined your intentional ignorance. Stories are legion at this point dumdum.

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        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 hours ago

          Examples of "rooting for murder?

          Besides a whole bunch of comments on Troonsky (ask lefty Jesse Singal about that particular purity spiral)?

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        3. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   5 hours ago

          "Examples of "rooting for murder?"'

          Here's one: https://x.com/MattWelch/status/1102654202545913857

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

            I would love to meet Welch face to face and challenge him to make good on his threats.

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        4. A Thinking Mind   4 hours ago

          I mean, there's plenty of threads you could look up.

          https://x.com/RobertMSterling/status/1965859610402894205?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1965859610402894205%7Ctwgr%5E2e30a552ccdd55e6bd68f2c4fc93bbc84a50e7f2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Freason.com%2F2025%2F09%2F11%2Fcharlie-kirk-assassinated%2F

          That one was linked by Liz Wolfe in a morning roundup. You can find others all over twitter or bluesky. LibsofTikTok also endured all the laughing on Tiktok.

          You're willfully ignorant if you pretend this never happened.

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        5. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   1 hour ago

          Liar or ignorant?

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    4. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Lancaster is taking a run at Tony’s title belt.

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  10. MWAocdoc   6 hours ago

    If power-hungry government officials did not have regulatory authority under Federal law over everything from A to Z and from soup to nuts in the first place, simple statements of opinion by them would be irrelevant. But with an uncountable number over four thousand current laws and regulations listed in the Code of Federal Regulations, any offhand comment by the President or any other Federal official is very realistically interpreted by private enterprise as a direct threat to their investments and livelihoods. It should be illegal for officials to speculate about administrative actions or threaten "investigations" in the jawboning arena. But more importantly almost every law, regulation, regulatory agency and unconstitutional Department should be eliminated as soon as possible, firing ninety percent of Federal employees in the process as they become useless and abate this intolerable nuisance.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      It should be illegal for officials to speculate about administrative actions or threaten "investigations" in the jawboning arena.

      So add more laws to the number of laws you complain about. Do you ever think logically?

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  11. LISAFdn   6 hours ago

    Show me where in the First Amendment it says you are free to say things disrespectful about President Trump and the most successful Administration in history..

    All it says is some claptrap about "no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." That doesn't mean you're free to criticize the President.

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    1. Hickamore   5 hours ago

      Smile.

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    2. shrike   5 hours ago

      This sounds like parody but it is exactly what Trump Cultists think.

      Nicely done.

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      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

        turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

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    3. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Sockpuppet, Trump is an asshole.

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    4. JesseAz (RIP CK)   5 hours ago

      Retarded.

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    5. SQRLSY   5 hours ago

      NO ONE dare criticize Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder-Taxer-Tariffer-Pussy-Grabber of the lowly peons!!! NO ONE!!! All Hail Dear Leader Trumpfenfarter-Fuhrer NOW!!!

      https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelabramwell/reactions-trumps-tweet-about-law-violation
      "He who saves his Country does not violate any Law." Said Dear Orange DickTator.
      "Wants to be a dictator. If you don't see it it means you don't want to," former Trump White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci said.

      Mussolini: “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”
      Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the law.”
      Napoleon: “I am the revolution.”
      Francisco Franco: “I am responsible only to God and to history.”

      Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the LAW.” For emphasis... Of all of the quotes, this one most clearly shows that Shitler and Orange Shitler are Bros... Piss in a pod, who want to piss on us all, and turn us all into Pod People!

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    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 hours ago

      Not a whole lot of fun when it's your side getting the "liberating tolerance," is it?

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    7. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

      Fuck off and die shitstain.

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    8. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

      Fuck off and die asswipe.

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      1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   4 hours ago

        You said it. Twice.

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  12. rswallen   5 hours ago

    > "When you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out. And hell, call their employer," Vice President J.D. Vance said while guest-hosting Kirk's podcast this week. "We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility."

    > Vance's argument bears a striking resemblance to the comments made just a few years ago by his ideological enemies. When certain public and not-so-public figures received backlash for offensive statements, some commentators noted that this was not cancel culture, it was "consequence culture"—people merely experiencing the consequences of their actions.

    Are we still trying to compare celebrating murder with political hottakes?

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    1. Michael Ejercito   2 hours ago

      Anyone remember Emmanuel Cafferty?

      https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdge-worker-fired-over-alleged-racist-gesture-says-he-was-cracking-knuckles/2347414/

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  13. Social Justice is neither   5 hours ago

    Joe proving once again that no matter how much you hate journalists you don't hate them nearly enough.

    Not a word of the last 2 decades of leftists normalizing violence against conservatives making the atmosphere for the assassination, instead he pulls RedWedding#2 Welch out as one of the cool heads declaring that now is not the time to fight back. Fuck you, you dishonest leftist cunt that was all ass covering for their prior calls to violence.

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    1. shrike   5 hours ago

      Over 90% of all politically motivated murders were done by conservatives. Start with Dylann Roof, the Buffalo murders, and El Paso. That is over 30 for starters.

      Yeah, I know. Steve Scalise got wounded. That’s about all you had before Kirk.

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 hours ago

        LOL, yeah, if you go by The Nation's dumb criteria. Tell us another one.

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      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

        turd, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS - addled lying pile of lefty shit.

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      3. spec24   4 hours ago

        I'm not sure how you can be this retarded. First off, it's nowhere near 90%, even by the absurd standards of the Left. And yeah, if you ignore prople who weren't political figures, you'll come up with a slight lead from the "right" (supposedly), as long as you go back far enough. However, these numbers ignore regular people, who neither you or any of the scumbags on the left care about. BLM riots alone are responsible for 36 deaths. Even Jan 6th had the death of someone in the right who no one have a shit about. However, have a thug criminal kill himself while you're trying to subdue him due to his lack of compliance, and the Left will murder you without a second thought. You'll notice that I'm talking about mobs of people. Mobs of leftists who thought it was perfectly acceptable to act the way they did. Sure, once in awhile you get some loan lunatic on the right, but on the left it's entire groups of people working together to terrorize people. Are you f****** out of your mind? They also think nothing of vandalizing people's cars and destroying dealerships that sell a car by a man whose opinion they disagree with. Eat s*** you f****** scumbag.

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        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

          It’s not even .9%.

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      4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

        You’ve already been slapped around multiple times when you’ve puked out this pathetically obvious lie.

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  14. Marshal   5 hours ago

    And yet the fallout of Kirk's murder has revealed a disturbing hostility toward free speech on the political right.

    What's interesting about this is how freely Reason indicts the entire right. When the left violates libertarian principles Reason is always careful to minimize it. Recent examples include saying "some on the left" or carefully limiting the analysis to note "no elected Democrats".

    It seems most Reasoners are cultural leftists who identify libertarian because they can't stomach the left's economic idiocy. But they seem to embrace the non-economic leftist principles including using of double standards to denigrate the right.

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    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

      ^+1, as in the lies in the above article: Hint, hint, nudge, nudge; CAN'T YOU SEE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

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    2. Chumby   4 hours ago

      Well said.

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    3. spec24   4 hours ago

      Nailed it.

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    4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   3 hours ago

      You’re very close. Reason writers are largely political hipsters, and the libertarian claim is just cosplay, so they can be edgy. But within acceptable democrat guidelines.

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    5. Juliana Frink   2 hours ago

      "What's interesting about this is how freely Reason indicts the entire right. When the left violates libertarian principles Reason is always careful to minimize it."

      Exactly! You can always tell a flat-out shill when you put what they say on a balance scale. And when it always falls to the same side, well, voila! Toute Merde!

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    6. Social Justice is neither   14 minutes ago

      Or they identify as libertarian because even Slate and Vox won't take them.

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  15. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 hours ago

    "Should Elected Officials Censor Americans? Trump's Administration Says Yes."
    Joe Lancaster is a lying pile of TDS-addled slimy shit who should fuck off and die.

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  16. spec24   4 hours ago

    Tell me more about freedom of speech that requires a license, Reason. Might want to look into the requirements of those licenses.

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    1. SQRLSY   3 hours ago

      Thou wanteth a license, ye say? Thou must first and foremoist sucketh the Great Orange Dick of THE Great Leader, Bleeder and Taxer-Tariffer and Pussy-grabber In Chief of ALL of the Lands and ALL of the Glands of the peons!!!

      ALL HAIL Dear Leader Trumpfenfarter-Fuhrer, peons!!! Bow low NOW!!!

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  17. damikesc   4 hours ago

    Saying "call out their employers" does not SOUND like incoming fascism. Must be more of those dogwhistles lefties hear so often.

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  18. StevenF   3 hours ago

    Your headline is a LIE.

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    1. LIBtranslator   1 hour ago

      Pick up on the doublethinking sockpuppet!

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  19. Bowerick Wowbagger   3 hours ago

    Wait, is Reason on the pro free speech side again? It’s been a while.

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    1. SQRLSY   2 hours ago

      Twat, like 27 minutes or so?

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    2. LIBtranslator   1 hour ago

      Uh hilk, uh hilk... anuthir sawkpoopette, projectile vomiting...

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  20. LIBtranslator   1 hour ago

    07NOV1938: 15-year-old Jewish refugee youth shoots nazi! Herschel Gryznspan shot nazi diplomatic clerk Ernst Vom Rath at the German Embassy in Paris. "Boy Kills Nazi" reverso headline was pretext for Kristallnacht disarming of all potential euthanees.
    Kristallnacht, literally, "Night of Crystal," is often referred to as the "Night of Broken Glass," the wave of violent anti-Jewish vandalism two days later. Cui bono in the current flap?

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    1. Chumby   1 hour ago

      You’re giving JFree a lady boner.

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  21. LIBtranslator   1 hour ago

    North Koreans who fail to mourn dead dictators in a sincere and loyal manner are liable to arrest. That totalitarianism is in the same square of the Nolan chart as the Trumpanzista kleptocracy.
    A British channel covers the recent visit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq7-F7_4Ldk

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