The Perverse Incentives for Snitch-Tagging Teachers Who Criticized Charlie Kirk
Under current First Amendment jurisprudence, more targeted harassment means it's more constitutional to fire a government worker.

It's often said that the First Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech. Benign comments about the weather or statements in support of things everyone already likes aren't likely to be the subject of government censorship.
In the case of First Amendment protections for government workers' off-the-job speech, this dynamic is reversed.
Public employees have robust protections against being fired for such speech, unless it proves exceptionally unpopular.
This feature of First Amendment jurisprudence, and the bad incentives it creates for cancel culture campaigns, is on full display following the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk last week.
In the wake of the conservative influencer's murder, a lot of people said unkind, uncharitable, and even obscene things about the man, including, in some cases, explicit praise for his assassination.
In a country where some 22 million civilians are employed by the government, the pool of people who've made nasty comments about Kirk naturally includes some public sector workers.
Public school teachers seem to be overrepresented in this demographic. They've become a specific target of conservatives' cancelation campaigns.
Unlike most private employees who can be fired at will, government employees have robust protections against being fired for their off-the-job speech.
As Eugene Volokh detailed in a post at The Volokh Conspiracy shortly after Kirk's death, government employees can only be disciplined for their speech when that speech is said as part of their job duties, the speech is not a matter of public concern, and the damage of the speech to the government's own ability to do its job is outweighed by the benefit of the speech.
Volokh stresses that these protections even cover comments supporting violence, citing the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Rankin v. McPherson, in which a majority of justices ruled that a police department employee's firing for praising the Ronald Reagan assassination in a private conversation violated the First Amendment.
The facts of that case would seem to offer a pretty close parallel to public school teachers who praised Kirk's assassination on social media. Their speech was not made on the job, and speech about Kirk's assassination is obviously a matter of public concern.
At first blush, this would suggest that even government employees who explicitly praised Kirk's assassination have First Amendment protections against being fired for that speech, however distasteful.
Whether or not they can, in fact, be fired turns on how much their comments disrupt government operations.
Consequently, the more outrage that can be directed at a particular public worker's employer, and the more of a headache retaining that worker becomes as a result, the less the First Amendment will protect them from losing their job.
That creates a powerful, toxic incentive to gin up anger at individual government workers as a means of erasing First Amendment protections they have for off-the-job speech.
Organic outrage about a public employee's private statements from people who heard them directly and have to interface with that person is one thing.
In the case of comments made on social media, people who would never have to deal with a government worker can see their intemperate thoughts and use them to get them fired.
This encourages Kirk's supporters to actively go hunting for comments they find offensive. The harm created by those statements becomes almost self-inflicted.
It's hard to imagine a better recipe for creating cancel culture mobs.
Over at National Review, Michael Brendan Dougherty writes that "the critique of cancel culture wasn't intended to protect all speech from normative judgment, but to preserve the necessary space for democratic deliberation and contestation."
Professionally penalizing people for reveling in Kirk's assassination, he argues, is distinct from going after people for merely expressing a negative view of him.
That's a reasonable distinction to draw. But it misses the fact that cancel culture pile-ons are not particularly discerning once they get going. Already, we're seeing efforts to identify people who literally celebrated Kirk's death morph into efforts to get people fired for merely posting something critical about him.
Kirk's online defenders have snitch-tagged the employers of government workers over social media posts saying they don't care about the assassination, that they didn't like Kirk even as they condemn his assassination, and even criticizing Kirk prior to his assassination.
With enough online outrage, even relatively benign critical comments could potentially become firing offenses.
This is particularly concerning given that government officials themselves are urging people to be outraged.
"So, when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out and, hell, call their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we do believe in civility," said Vice President J.D. Vance while guest-hosting Charlie Kirk's podcast yesterday.
Texas' education commissioner has encouraged school superintendents to report teachers' "inappropriate comments" to state officials, as have the top education officials in Florida and Oklahoma.
There's always been the thicker critique of cancel culture made by folks like Reason's Robby Soave, who condemned efforts to go hunting for the worst comments made by nonpublic figures in the heat of the moment to their small social media followings.
It makes for a less vindictive world and more robust discourse when we can agree to avoid massive pile-ons of even repugnant comments made in that context.
Kirk was undoubtedly a polarizing figure. The strong feelings, both negative and positive, that he elicited in people are one reason his murder has become such a huge public conversation.
It's inevitable in that context that some people will say intemperate, mean-spirited things about the man.
It's foolish to trust online snitch-taggers to be judicious in determining who they're going to try to get fired, particularly when the more outrage they can generate serves to route around First Amendment protections for government workers' speech.
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Rankin v. McPherson is a terrible decision and gives government workers exrra protections which is a violation of equal protection. They should be able to be fired at will with a Constitutional hearing, just like the rest of us. This is part of the reason we have Rubber Rooms.
I disagree that it gives anyone “special consideration” but rather that it emphasizes that our constitutional rights also pertain to so-called public employees.
The GOP is working on full sainthood for Kirk. Look for him on the $100 bill replacing Franklin. Any criticism of Kirk will result in deportation.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
Send that link to Trump. He needs it.
Special Ed, you’re white knighting for a pedophile that posted a link to child pornography in these comments. Congrats.
On the other hand you, chumbucket, regularly post support for genocidal Zionist tyrant pedos for all to see vs these fanciful claims you make about shrike that apparently get your juices flowing.
Shrike got one pf his accounts banned for posting a link to child pornography. The entire thread was taken down. Congrats, you’re now white knight for that too.
Here's what I used to post, suitably modernized.
A few years back shrike posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead shrike keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since we cannot get shrike to stay away, the only thing we can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
Don't respond to shrike, just shun him.
He’s here for supply.
Yup. His shrine will be next to that of Saint Babbitt.
Keep talking like that and you’re going to be placed at the top of the genocidal pedo Zionist tyrants hit list and don’t take a harbor cruise.
If the people forced to fund them want them gone, they should be gone.
You want so-called public employees who only agree with YOUR politics, you dumb fat mother fucker?
I want to stop being coerced into funding them. I understand while employers are parting ways with such horrible human beings.
Yeah like employees you might discover are gay, Jews, or whatever you don’t like that has no bearing on their abilities to perform their job, right?
You’re the rapist, why do you hate gays and Jews? Why would you fire someone for being gay or a Jew? That wouldn’t have any impact on their ability to perform their job.
You under the influence of cheap whiskey tonight, fat boy?
I’m neither fat nor do I drink alcohol. You’re really bad at this.
Why is Reason --- a libertarian site, allegedly --- fighting to protect the jobs of government employees?
Did they criticize him or praise his death?
Organic outrage about a public employee's private statements from people who heard them directly and have to interface with that person is one thing.
If reposted from their social media, are the statements private?
This article is another in a long line of reason articles that government employees are better than you and should never face consequences.
Do you even libertarian, bro?
Conservatives get censored at the direct say so of the government and this rag cheers meanwhile leftists are shown for their actions and it's wall to wall with how I must support people that hate me and want me dead. Fuck these Marxist scum.
You engage in what is known in psychological terms as transference. Apparently you want yourself dead. Please seek psychiatric assistance. They might even be able to get you a room with cell service. If so, please keep us informed as to how you’re doing but first let be go get a bucket of popcorn.
Applauding when Democrats are murdered is patriotic.
Applauding when Republicans are murdered is a crime.
Right and wrong are determined by who, not what.
Yeah, basically that is where we are now. Only what are perceived by morons as conservative politics are allowed. Outright fucking amazing.
who was/is applauding every week when you low IQ brainwashed far left Democrat cultists commit mass murders in the blue sh1thole cities?
Sir shits from his mouth, Specifically what have I EVER said indicates I’m a far left Democrat?
Who applauded when a Democrat was murdered?
Definitely nobody here.
Should I not care about the character of those who teach my kids and educate future generations? I accept that most teachers are shitlibs. Drawing the line at cheering the murder of an innocent man is not unreasonable.
Fuck you.
Master batter, not saying that at all but fair point. The reality is you don’t get to determine the mindset of so-called public employees who express personal opinions in their private time. Go find a private school that coincides more congruently with the beliefs you want expressed to your children. Or if you’re looking for more government control, pack up your family and move to fucking North Korea or similar. Hell, maybe even the UK!
That this is too much of a stretch for Reason, who should want ALL public employees fired, says everything you need to know.
When someone tells you they are sociopathic, you don't let them spend 180 days a year with little children. And pay them in perpetuity from the public coffers.
Mr. Wizzle, do you know the actual clinical definition for identifying a diagnosis such as what you apparently believe to be a “sociopath “, ya damn dummy?
Whats funny is Reason largely ignored the 1k J6ers who committed no violence facing 20 year charges. For their speech.
They ignored Mackey being sent to jail over a meme.
They barely noticed protesting pro lifers facing 10 years under FACE.
They ignore parents at school boards under FBI investigation.
They defended censorship during COVID until even the NYT couldn't ignore the state induced censorship.
They have actually downplayed debanking and use of government regulators to go after conservatives.
Did Reason stop you from expressing your perceived concerns in their comment section as to their reporting perspectives, ya fucking imbecile?
They did add a mute feature. So anyone who doesn't want to read his incessant lies and false accusations can see a grey box instead.
Sarc, I’ve come to agree with you as to the reason behind the inclusion of that feature. And to think, normal people just skip shit they don’t care to read from dumb or simply annoying people. That would certainly include folks like Jesse and his proclaimed symphony of simple minded right wing enthusiasts. I remember a time when for the most part they really weren’t so stupid. Dementia setting in maybe? Plus they’ll keep supporting tyrants, pedos, and genocidal maniacs. Crazy shit. (I recognize that’s not a clinical term lol). Maybe I’m the one going nuts?
I remember a time when for the most part they really weren’t so stupid.
The fact that I don't respond to them has driven them crazy. They think that escalating the stupidity of their comments will get me to respond, but I only hold my head in my hands. The desperation is nothing short of pathetic. If I gave a shit I'd pity their utter lack of a social life, but I don't.
I don’t believe you don’t give a shit Sarc. You’re a kind person at heart, much kinder than me I dare say.
Retard brigade is at it again lol. Looks like sarc wants me to unmute his ignorant ass.
Sarc says you are tall, well-groomed, and look like a cop.
Ok, fat boy. I’ll give you that one for being funny.
You’re the obese rapist, you trying to lust over Jesse like sarcasmic has?
I don’t think my fat dick would fit past Jesse’s hairy chin.
Don’t lie Jesse, we can tell you’re reading him.
"Ronald Reagan assassination."
Wait, am I having a Mandela Moment? The Ronald Reagan in my timeline died of pneumonia.
And Reason died of lack of editors. Or libertarian content.
Who needs stinkin editors?
Assassination attempts that do not kill Presidents occur.
The article did leave off "attempt".
I was wondering if this wasn't one of those "John buried Paul" conspiracy thingies.
What is the matter? They liked this when it was people they hated getting fired?
You have a point.
Man Fired Over Wife's Social Media Post About Charlie Kirk
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In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s murder, an alarming number of Americans made light of his assassination, or tried to justify it. An angry right wing has emerged to ensure that such people pay, kicking off a wave of firings and suspensions that have affected journalists, Secret Service agents, and university employees.
One of those people is named Matthew Readling. He is the manager of a Texas Roadhouse in Milton, Florida, a small city in the state’s deep-red Panhandle. But unlike most of the others who have lost their jobs in the wake of Kirk’s assassination, Readling doesn’t appear to have said anything about Charlie Kirk at all.
Over the weekend, right-wing influencers, most notably Scarlett Johnson, a podcaster and social media manager for the conservative group Moms for Liberty, began to circulate Facebook posts written by Mr. Readling’s wife that referred to Charlie Kirk as a “Nazi.”
Source -- The FreePress: His Wife Called Charlie Kirk a ‘Nazi.’ He Was Fired.
I guess that’s a step up from getting fired because your wife won’t put out for your boss.
When it come to firing public employees the only standard should be "by any means necessary".
Ok, that one was funny too.
Summary...
Cancel Culture.
It's all Conservatives Fault! /s
...because a teacher got fired somewhere of course. /s
I'm not buyin' it. The standard the author above is complaining about is precisely the same standard that any employee of a private company faces. Effectively, it's saying that the termination of your employment is not an adverse government penalty that the 1A protects against. None of the court precedents say it that way but that's the net effect.
And I'm okay with that standard. Again, it's no different than that faced by any private employee.
Now we need some good, choreographed celebrations of them losing their jobs.
Britches: there's a huge difference between resurrecting some tweet a kid made 20 years ago, and publicizing what was said just yesterday.
For one, that kid 20 years ago had no concept of the future; he was a kid, legally recognized as not being mentally ready to be an adult.
For two, those teachers and others posting vile messages yesterday wanted publicity, did they not? Otherwise why would they publish their vile message and brag about how many retweets and views and likes it got? Well, they wanted publicity, they got it, and if they didn't think about the consequences yesterday, they will the next time; they will grow up, one way or the other. Unlike Charlie Kirk, they get to grow older.
I have no sympathy for them. They wanted publicity, they got it, negative consequences as well as positive ones included free of charge.