FBI Blunders and Internet Panic: How the Search for Charlie Kirk's Killer Went Off the Rails
The alleged shooter was turned in by his family and roommates while the surveillance state remained clueless.

Authorities announced on Friday morning that they made progress in solving a mystery that has gripped the nation for two days: who murdered conservative activist Charlie Kirk with a rifle during a crowded event at Utah Valley University.
Utah Republican Gov. Spencer Cox told reporters that 22-year-old Tyler Robinson had been turned in by his family after he "confessed to them or implied" his guilt in the assassination. A roommate also showed police Discord chat messages from Robinson about hiding a rifle, according to Cox, who said that Robinson acted alone.
Without those tips, it's hard to know how long the manhunt would have gone on for. The night before, authorities had signaled that they were completely stumped. Officials pleaded with the public for information based on a few grainy surveillance stills on Thursday night, and Utah Public Safety Commissioner Beau Mason told NBC News that authorities had "no idea" where the shooter was.
Progressive critics—as well as conservative consigliere Chris Rufo—have accused FBI Director Kash Patel of bungling the investigation. Patel had caused major confusion by implying on social media that the FBI had caught the shooter, only to announce that the "subject" had been released after interrogation. That man, who was completely innocent, suffered a flood of threats after his name and photo were publicized.
Adding to the confusion, police were also filmed escorting a local elderly gadfly out of the event while the crowd blamed him for the shooting. And to make matters worse, internet sleuths misidentified him as yet another innocent person who was nowhere near Utah at the time.
Of course, chaos and mistakes are an unavoidable part of crises. Thankfully, none of these mistakes led to anyone's death, as they have in the past. It will take a while for the full story behind the Kirk investigation to come out, to understand which errors were understandable and which were inexcusable.
At the very least, the manner of Robinson's arrest throws cold water on the idea that mass spying and heavy-handed police powers are the solution to dramatic crimes. In his post lambasting Patel's leadership, Rufo also called for "a campaign to disrupt domestic terror networks" and "to investigate, infiltrate, and disrupt the violent movements—of whatever ideology—that threaten the peace in the United States."
But it's not clear that more aggressive political surveillance would have stopped or caught the suspected assassin. The photos that identified him came from old-fashioned security cameras in a hallway, which captured him walking up a stairway and then jumping off the roof after the assassination. Robinson's father, a longtime sheriff's deputy, reportedly recognized his son from the photos and told him to turn himself in.
Meanwhile, the release of the surveillance photos had led to a flood of tips that wasted the authorities' time. At the Thursday night press conference, Cox said that authorities were sifting through 7,000 tips from the public.
"It is clear they do not know the name of the suspect, that they don't have a cellphone track, they don't have fingerprints, DNA, or digital footprint," journalist John Solomon, who is close to Patel, told Fox News after the press conference. "And that's why they're putting so much personally identifying information up, to try to help get the public to find something that's there."
And the assassination did not come out of an organized political network that could be infiltrated. Although there are signs pointing to a left-wing motive—Cox said that a family member told police that Robinson was angry about Kirk coming to Utah because of his political beliefs—Robinson seems to be, like many other shooting suspects, a lone wolf who spent too much time on the internet.
An internal law enforcement bulletin, leaked to the press, initially reported that the shooter had written messages about "transgender and anti-fascist ideology" on bullet casings. Those turned out to be a mix of references to the video game Helldivers 2 (which features killing fascists) and lewd jokes. "If you read this you are gay LMAO," one of the casings read. Another mocked the "furry" fetish subculture.
An eccentric personality with no criminal record who plays lots of video games and dislikes conservatives is a pretty broad profile, one that covers potentially millions of people. Most of them are neither violent nor members of organized political "networks" that could be disrupted. If the past few days are any indication, encouraging mass online reporting of anyone suspicious can actually make the police's job harder.
Using Kirk's murder to tighten government restrictions would not only be ineffective at preventing more incidents like it. It would also be an unfortunate rebuke to Kirk, who often preached freedom over control.
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There’s more snitching than sleuthing in the FBI.
- Howie Carr
Who blew up Nordstream?
From where did covid come?
Who was the anthrax letter mailer?
Stop watching CSI and Netflix.
Well they got the Tylenol killer right? And that guy that jumped out of an airplane with a big bag of cash? The G Men never failed until Patel went off the rails.
If it turns out that Mike Hihn was DB Cooper, that would be hilarious.
I've never seen a picture of Hihn and Cooper together. And Hihn has no obvious means of support. It doesn't take a professional crime fighter to connect the dots.
Petti theft
Zodiac.
The comms majors at Reason are experts of every industry. How dare you.
Wait, you think Biden wanted to help American natural gas companies by spiking the price??? You aren’t a deep thinker are you??
What was Crooks motive?
What was the Las Vegas shooters motive?
The Vegas shooter had serious ties to the Philippines which is a terrorist hotbed…but Trump successfully downplayed quite a few terrorist attacks like Manda Bay and Manbij because he had a compliant media. Crooks was a Republican but he targeted both Biden and Trump and because he was from Trump country the opportunity unfortunately presented itself.
President Trump had a compliant media? Hahahahahah! Hohohehehehe! Oh, that's funny!
Tell us another joke!
Not initially, but Fatass Donnie browbeat and sued the media Cohn style until they relented and gave him everything he wanted.
True to fascist form the government controls big media today. 60 Minutes even caved in. We need a Voice of America in the USA now.
Also look how Big Media has suppressed the Trump Russia collusion stories.
Fatass had his minions meet with Kremlin officials all during 2016. Yet Fox News tells their greasy redneck base that Russian collusion was a hoax.
Now back down bitch. You’ve been owned. Buttplug style.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe. Even the toilet paper doesn't want you.
How the Search for Charlie Kirk's Killer Went Off the Rails
It's an odd headline considering the main point of the article is that the plan to disrupt extremist networks won't work considering who the shooter is. There's almost nothing about the search itself so it's not clear what "off the rails" is supposed to mean other than fanciful hyperbole Reason would criticize if it came from a conservative.
Yeah I was a little baffled. The criticism from Rufo is that Patel hadn't done enough to somehow identify every leftist whack job out there, a strategy that Petti condemns, but somehow Patel went off the rails? In less than 2 days? Who is writing the headlines? Pathetic.
I like Rufo, but he is over his his skis here. He has not worked in any law-enforcement role that I know of.
This particular assassin had no prior history of violence and did not live in the area. To me, it’s pretty impressive that he was caught within 48 hours. And yes, the photos that were released to the public certainly played a part.
The pics I saw yesterday were pretty damn good. If he was my son there would be no question in my mind.
That’s what is so scary about Crooks and Mangione and this killer—they are good Republican young men but then with no warning they snap…it’s almost like two tragedies each time because they should have grown to be successful Republican men.
Will you and Sevo agree to a cagematch? Watching you two assholes beat on each other would be more entertaining than reading the stupid shit you post.
You and shrike are the exact same.
I don’t do cage matches anymore because I hurt my pinky toe.
Will you please fuck off and die? Please make the world a better place, and your family proud, asswipe (and the toilet paper is not happy to have you)
What's also weird is how all these good Republican men, when they "snap", always go after Republicans and not Democrats -- and there aren't any Democrats who "snap" and go after Republicans.
It's almost as if one Party celebrates political murder against the other, and the other Party does not.
All of that is false.
He was t republican. He belonged to multiple antifa discord groups for fucks sake.
epsilon given
"What's also weird is how all these good Republican men,.."
What's also weird is how the slimy piles of TDS-addled lying piles of shit expect anyone is going to buy their gas-lighting.
Fuck off and die asswipe.
You'd think it took, you know, more than 36 hrs to find the guy.
The BS headline discredits the otherwise incoherent rant.
This is a stupid article. Every investigation is different and expecting police to magically produce an unknown suspect immediately is stupid.
This is correct.
Yes sad but true.
They do it on TV!
The G Men are invincible!
As a TDS-addled lying pile of shit, that's Petti's only source of info: cop dramas.
OT: started watching old Columbo episodes recently. Show holds up. Talk about face slapping some pompous a holes around. Falk was so damn good in that role.
That was Columbo's gift. He wasn't impressed by anyone. They were just another suspect, no matter how "important" they were.
Note to Petti: it needs to actually become history before you try to revise it. It’s barely been 48 hours since Kirk was shot, fool.
Exactly
Do not speak ill of governmental incompetence here at reason.com— a libertarian website.
Where is the government incompetence here, though? It seems as if the article is essentially complained that the other investigative efforts -- efforts that by their nature can take days or even weeks -- failed, because someone identifying who's in the photo identified the murderer first.
It's not as if it's perfectly normal to initiate several investigative branches at once, hoping that one will resolve itself faster than the others, but realizing that even the best investigations can take days or even weeks.
(Also, I suspect those other investigations are still ongoing -- yes, they arrested someone based on photos released to the public -- but it's still a good idea to collect as much evidence as possible, regardless.)
As a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying shit, you seem to have missed all those 'speaking ill' of the government, but as a slimy pile of TDS-addled lying shit, that's not surprising.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Faster than getting Luigi
There weren’t 200 witnesses to his crime.
New York city streets are famous for being empty. I believe they call it the city that always sleeps.
The guy’s father turned him in…Kash Patel would never have caught him without his father turning him in.
I'd like to see proof of that -- because it's not at all hard to me to see how a search that would have been successful but take two or three weeks would otherwise be a failure because it was short-circuited by a family who turned in the murderer.
In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that releasing the photos and asking the public for tips is standard procedure -- so this was without question a successful investigation, regardless how you try to spin it otherwise.
Remembering someone claiming that the Boston bombers would never be caught as a result of the published vids. Wrong.
Think about your 4 or 5 best friends; you can spot them a half a block away; their 'gait' is 'individual', as is the posture in walking, and the hair/hat, clothes, and so forth: There's Steve!
This guy was going to be ID'd within a couple of days, regardless. The fact that Dad said 'you own it, kid' only speeded it up by hours.
BTW, while the parents are to be thanked, it also makes me wonder what sort of parenting he got.
Oh that’s Lamar, he’s got a really tight ass!
S B-F, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Assertion from lying slimy pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Speaking of which, how was HE caught?
LOL
Without those tips, it's hard to know how long the manhunt would have gone on for. The night before, authorities had signaled that they were completely stumped. Officials pleaded with the public for information based on a few grainy surveillance stills on Thursday night, and Utah Public Safety Commissioner Beau Mason told NBC News that authorities had "no idea" where the shooter was.
You know, I was actually impressed with the enhanced pictures of the dude they released to the public. And any libertarian should be kind of heartened (and stay your emotions here, because I don't mean this in the obvious, wrong way) that our surveillance state isn't so pervasive that we didn't catch on a minority-report-style retina scan when he walked into a GAP store...
Also, I don't know who said it, it might have been a commenter here, it might have been someone on Youtube, but when officials released those stills of the suspect, someone pointed out that they were good enough that the family was probably already hiring lawyers and preparing to turn him in.
So from that perspective, it feels like the system worked pretty well. Saying that "everything failed" because it only took them 24 hours to catch him seems like a nitpick-for-the-sake-of-nitpicking.
You also take the risk of undermining your argument: Whoa, our surveillance state is scary and Orwellian-- and works so badly it can't identify anyone or find them!!!11!
I'm reminded of the old Jewish lady joke:
Woman 1: The food here is terrible...
Woman 2: Yeah, and such small portions!
Yeah okay I laughed at the old Jewish ladies. But not in an antisemitic way.
Keyboard investigators/warriors have unrealistic expectations of magical law enforement officers with superpowers.
Law enforcement always relies on tips.
Contrary to the paranoia mob, there aren't that many police out there watching your every move and filming everything that you do.
Only after the fact can they effectively gather clues, and one of the biggest source of clues is asking people whether they saw someone who looks like the suspect. And gee, it's often a family member who recognizes them first and comes forward.
Contrary to the paranoia mob, there aren't that many police out there watching your every move and filming everything that you do.
And the flagship libertarian magazine is disappointed they aren't.
Yes, because Patel's predecessor was able to narrow in on the DC bomber . . . oh wait, that's still 'unknown' years later.
That's back when adults were in the room.
What do you expect when you exchange competence for loyalty & obsequiousness ? This isn't the first Patel gaffe and it won't be the last.
I am sure you would have done a much better job, anon.
The moron would have had the shooter day one by screaming then indicting trump.
Better than releasing the name of the first person you grab off the street before knowing if he's your guy yet ?
Yes ... by simply not naming the first guy you grab off the street. Do some investigating first before trying to please the screaming mob by attempting to look like you know what you're doing and failing miserably.
That was the media retard.
Kinda seems like you personify the traits listed.
What do you expect in a post from a lying pile of TDS-addled lefty shit?
Well, we just got it.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
I bet that DC bomber on 1/5/21 has been found...oh wait.
"Robinson's father, a longtime sheriff's deputy, reportedly recognized his son from the photos and told him to turn himself in."
Per the Washington County Sheriff's office, the suspect's father is NOT one of their officers:
https://news.washeriff.net/relationship-between-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-and-retired-washington-county-deputy/
It's a good thing we have crack detectives like Reason on the job!
This is why I tend / try to not make any definitive statements in the very early part of any major news story. But if you're in the media, I suppose that's less of an option than it is for someone like me.
Yeah came to post that as well the Dad was a construction business owner of some sort and the Sheriff part was not true.
The whole article is
1. Blaming the FBI because internet randos went nuts.
2. Blaming the FBI for not figuring everything out in less than 48 hours.
2022: FBI IS EVIL AND MUST BE ABOLISHED!!!
2025: Stop picking on the FBI! They’re doing their best!!
"But this time it's our guy in charge!!"
Retards gonna retard.
You dumbfucks cant help but look like dumbfucks.
You can think the FBI should be shuttered and still think that 48 hours to catch an alleged assassin is not “going off the rails” or complete incompetence.
Sarc is a drunk. You’re asking too much of his pickled brain.
By the way, a retarded headline I read today was that the FBI was 'hollowed out' by Patel-- hopefully because he's fired all the political hacks that live in DC as he promised he would.
Does it seem like every Reason editor has been instructed to phone in an article about the Kirk assassination no matter how specious and silly it may be? Because I feel like every Reason editor has been instructed to phone in an article about the Kirk assassination no matter how specious and silly it may be.
Hey now. They put Mr red wedding on a podcast instead.
GG, coming here and expecting libertarian is like going to KFC wanting a juicy sirloin burger.
I mostly come here for the libertarian reaction to the Reason "libertarian" vomit they put out -- although every once in a while Reason surprises me with a sincerely libertarian take.
Even a blind squirrel can find an occasional nut, I guess!
Two days? Hah! The FBI has far worse things on their record. Just how many days was the Olympic Park bomber on the run while the FBI pursued Richard Jewel?
You could add 'Russian Collusion' and be perfectly safe.
I was working within the “non-fiction” section, I think. Maybe. Hmm…
They are still looking for Jimmy Hoffa.
Right?
What a silly article. An investigation two days old barely has time to get ON the rails, let alone get off it. It has barely gone beyond the collection of evidence, and with next to no time for analysis.
The authorities were able to generate a photograph, and have the probable perpetrator in custody in 48 hours. That's awfully good work. We are getting spoiled.
Oh yeah. Reason writers watch dateline. Do you?
We can't read The Bulwark and the NYT and Inglesias and WAPO and watch Dateline. There are not enough hours in the day. I know Reason editors manage it because these outlets are a fountain of libertarian wisdom. But they get paid to keep libertarians abreast of libertarian shit. I'm working for free here.
Pretty sure it's closer to 24 hours.
Of course, chaos and mistakes are an unavoidable part of crises.
Just goes to show, other then condolences, everyone - including the 8ish articles printed on Reason - should just be quiet for a few days at least to contemplate their opinion.
Moar Keystone Kops. This is what happens when you fire any and all Federal employees who are competent.
USAID would have apprehended the shooter quicker? NPR staff?
Even a cursory glance at the history of federal employees reveals little competence and a closer look at the FBI reveals almost none.
Retarded when the other retards first said this.
They found the guy. Wray could not find the guy laying pipe bombs at RNC and DNC over 4 years ago.
Didnt want to find*
Comey would have brought him in in 30 hours
Same they fired that one, competent guy.
"...This is what happens when you fire any and all Federal employees who are competent...."
This is the LIBERTARIAN TDS-addled shit-pile.
"Those turned out to be a mix of references to the video game Helldivers 2 (which features killing fascists) and lewd jokes."
No it doesn't. Why do you people write articles about games you don't even play?
You kill bugs (Terminids), robots (Automatons) and aliens (Illuminate). None of these factions are fascist or even capable of communicating with humans. The setting is often compared to Starship Troopers (the movie, not the novel). The Super Earth government is incredibly fascistic. You ARE the fascists in game. The game satirizes authoritarianism at times, (ex. needing a permit to have sex) but this is all background for the setting and not the primary gameplay loop.
The direction arrow pattern is the in-game input for the Eagle 500kg bomb strategem. It's ironic, depending on how you want to read into it. It's often used for taking out the biggest enemies in game, but it's also grossly overrated and inconsistent. Makes a big boom, but doesn't necessarily do what you intended. Read into that as you will.
All it really shows is that gaming is mainstream. Gaming is accessible enough that even psychos play games.
This is why I only skimmed the article, because I find when I actually read them, they're worse than I thought.
"Those turned out to be a mix of references to the video game Helldivers 2 (which features killing fascists) and lewd jokes."
If anything, you, the Helldiver (player) are fighting for a quasi-fascistic society. (very much a parody of the world of Starship Troopers). And yeah, you're killing giant insects, automatons and some X-Com style aliens that are possibly loosely modeled on War of the Worlds.
*Managed* democracy
Why is federal law enforcement involved? Political assassinations are at a 30 year low!!!! Locals can handle this unless you are fascist who wants armed government goons on the street.
This is the easiest way to monetize this. Politics are very lucrative to corporaticians. Votes convert to influence converts to dollars for corporaticians.
Revolution is, of course, not on the table. And neither is continued republican political representation.
5:56:
Lefty shits lie, but 5.56 ignores it to push the narrative!
5.56 hopes the Ds can find someone who isn't totally toxic to the US voters!
S/he is a imbecilic piece of lefty shit, isn't s/he?
The guy was going to be caught 100%. He should have killed himself. Now he'll sit in prison for 30 years then be executed.
I honestly do not understand this apparent outpouring of grief over Charlie Kirk. Yes it is sad that he died. No he shouldn't have been murdered. But he was a political operative. He debated college kids as a performative stunt. His motives were obviously to get people to support his team. But from the reaction of some you'd think he was a Mother Theresa figure. I really don't get it.
As a libertarian the only thing I appreciated him for was his defense of capitalism and his ability to infuriate the left. The rest was far right Christian conservativism.
I really don't get it.
It’s because you aren’t very bright.
I honestly do not understand
We know. Applied universally even.
Really, this is your hot take? "His motives were obviously to get people to support his team." Isn't that called "persuasion"? Isn't that what all of us are trying to do?
Well, I suppose you might be the exception: you might sincerely believe you need to get people to oppose your team. That would be consistent with the posts you put up.
But for Charlie Kirk, maybe they are shocked because
(1) all Charlie Kirk did was try to persuade people -- who cares if it was a "performative stunt"? If only more "performative stunts" like this were performed, from both sides!
(2) there are a lot of Leftists who are outright celebrating the murder of someone for holding dissenting views, and the remainder who don't celebrate, all prefix their "condolences" with "he's a bad dude" before saying "but he didn't deserve to be murdered" -- and everyone who believes even just one or two of these things, and rightly conclude "all these people hate me, and many would celebrate my death too".
(3) many of the people who are saddened by his death actually knew him and considered him a friend (yes, I know that this is a foreign concept to us commenters on Reason, but some people actually do have these things called "friends" -- and yes, I'm still personally researching this concept to find out more), and many more saw him and thought he was a genuine nice guy who opened their minds to consider the possibility that there are opinions outside of Leftist groupthink.
(4) you don't have to grieve over Charlie Kirk to be outright angry that there is a Political Party that thinks murdering people because of disagreement is justified and even something to be celebrated. Last I checked, this is something that particularly angers libertarians.
So, yeah. I suppose you can't understand this. Among other things, you are not the "radical individualist" you claim to be.
His motives were obviously to get people to support his team.
Gee, you obtuse fat fuck, a Trump supporter gets killed debating "ideas," which you disingenuous shitheads on the anti-rightist team claimed was your real complaint about Trumpers, and your complaint about him is that he showed up at their seminaries to persuade people about his ideas?
Way to fucking tell on yourself there.
And the assassination did not come out of an organized political network.
Gunna call BS on that. The organized political network is the mainstream media, Democrat politicians, academia, the professional activists, and left-wing social media.
Including this website right here, Reason dot com.
Collectively, they run a 24/7/365 repeated message that equates normal, average, everyday Americans to Nazis and fascists; calls everyone they support or take inspiration from to a Hitler that needs to be stopped; and treats their every word and deed like it's an existential threat to freedom, democracy, and peace. And they're told, over and over and over, that combatting it - combatting them - will make everything better, will make them heroes even. Anyone who disagrees even slightly is either A) your mortal enemy and/or B) sub-human, and you are therefore morally justified in killing them.
The mindset of every tyrant since the dawn of time.
You cannot feed people - especially young and impressionable people - a diet of that and then feign shock and surprise through a thinly veiled smirk after, having been thoroughly radicalized, he picks up a rifle and shoots the world's most prolific Civil Rights Leader in the neck. The assassination absolutely came out of an organized political network, and this was always its intent.
I still think this tweet says it all: https://x.com/Black_Pilled/status/1965880897548485042
Don't pretend that it's ANYONE other than the left that's serving that poison. Because it sure as heck wasn't the Republican family who turned him in that taught him it. It sure as heck wasn't the LEOs that his dad worked with that taught him it. It sure as heck wasn't the church he was raised in that taught him it. And it definitely wasn't Charlie Kirk himself, who did nothing but teach the exact opposite.
It was the highly organized and constant feed of Leftist political hatred whipping reactionary and thoroughly indoctrinated people into a frenzy. And now that one of them has done something unspeakably horrific, it's "circle the wagons" coming from each and every one of them. Blame the victim ("the shooting was justified!"), blame his supporters ("why don't they dial back their rhetoric!"), blame the tools ("this is what gun freedom gets gun supporters!"), misinform ("he came from a Conservative Christian family of cops, also check out this Trump shirt we photoshopped onto him!"), play the victim ("do trans people and leaders on the left need to be worried about retaliation?!"), and of course outright mockery ("thoughts and prayers, lol!").
That doesn't come from the right.
That comes from the organized political left.
I pray every day for peace and unity in what's intended to be a United States whose motto is E Pluribus Unum. I'm not saying we all have to like each other and get along, but we do have to learn how to coexist and rationally, respectfully disagree with open discourse and a willingness to listen and possibly even change.
After this week, I am now 100% certain that such a peace and unity cannot include anyone belonging to or supporting this organized political network, the American Left, that openly hates us, wants us dead, and celebrates when it happens. They don't want to coexist, they don't want to disagree, and they are incapable of rationality.
The Rubicon has been crossed. I genuinely do not believe the Left understands the depths of the hole - the grave - they've dug themselves when they collectively decided to assassinate Charlie Kirk. They didn't just make him a martyr and rally millions to his cause. They made the rift between Right and Left crystal clear: while the Right wants the Left to calm down and be reasonable and try to work together, the Left just wants the Right straight-up dead. And it's what they've always wanted.
But, But, BUT January 6th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've read nonstop posts and essays on the Kirk killing: you have by far stated the truth of the sad reality that brought this to tragedy on. Disaffected, celibate, internet addicted kids from every spectrum politically get sucked into the romantic and exhilarating fantasy of believing they are the 1944 French or Italian Resistance fighting Nazi's.
Problem with your argument is that MAGAs and Trump actually are fascists. It is not rhetoric, it is pointing out reality.
Make me a list of all the "fascist" things President Trump has done that Democrat Presidents haven't done, and maybe I'll take the notion somewhat seriously.
But meanwhile, what is it that makes fascists so evil? They kill their enemies because their enemies disagree with them.
Now, consider this carefully, and answer truthfully:
(1) Which political Party is celebrating the murder of someone because that person disagreed with them, and tried to convince others to join in on his beliefs?
(2) Which political Party is arguing over who the next target of assassination is going to be?
(3) What is the ratio of Democrats killing people over disagreements over Republicans doing so? And how many mainstream Republicans are there who, when this happens, is celebrating the death, and asking who should be next?
Now, after you truthfully answer these questions, I want you to truthfully answer this last one: who is it here that is actually the fascist Party?
You don't even know what the word "fascist" means. Literally, I'll bet you cannot even define it. Not without running to Bluesky or ChatGPT first.
To you - to everyone like you - it's nothing more than a fancy $3 word for "BAD ME NO LIKEY" that you mindlessly hurl at people you've been programmed to hate. And that's the worst part - you don't even know WHY you hate them. Just that you have to. For "democracy" or something. Which is also a term you can't define.
Lenin, much as you seem to revere him, had a term for people like you. It was not flattering.
Lots of conspiracy theories on Facebook. Hand signs by the security guards. Shooter is one of Trump’s security team, etc.
And then they start to get really insane.
Ok, this is so absurd, it's outright sickening the way it is being portrayed.
Do you know why this "elderdy gladfly" was blamed by the crowd for the shooting? Because the moment Charlie Kirk was shot, he stood up and yelled "I shot him, I shot him!" The FBI would have been stupid and incompetent if they hadn't arrested the guy.
Furthermore, you're seriously blaming the FBI for what random internet sleuths did? For crying out loud, what was law enforcement supposed to do? Keep all of us in the dark, perhaps even up to the point "we have apprehended a suspect, there's no need to worry, he's been summarily executed, and out of respect for everyone involved, we aren't going to release his name or release any evidence that has brought us up to that point".
I cannot defend the other arrests, because I don't know what it was that drew them to the attention of the investigators -- however, I would add that there were hundreds of people there, the situation generated a lot of chaos, and we're still less than 72 hours in the investigation.
I don't reflexively defend the FBI, particularly because they often don't deserve defense, but I cannot help but feel your complaints about the FBI here in this case are disingenuous at best.