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Politics

The Killing of Charlie Kirk: 5 Idiotic Responses on Social Media

We should welcome renunciations of violence from those who disagree with Kirk, and dispute nonsense across the political spectrum.

Robby Soave | 9.11.2025 3:15 PM

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A manhunt is still underway for the assassin who gunned down Charlie Kirk, the conservative media giant and founder of the influential student activist group Turning Point USA. Unfortunately, the fact that authorities have yet to confirm the killer's identity, means, and motivations has not prevented countless pundits from issuing sweeping condemnations of various forces to which they are assigning blame for Kirk's demise: rival political tribes, so-called violent rhetoric, guns, and even (why not) the state of Israel.

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It bears repeating that this shocking murder occurred about 24 hours ago. Kirk's family and friends are probably still in shock, and the millions of people who agreed with Kirk's views, admired his accomplishments, listened to his shows, attended his conferences, or otherwise regarded him as a fellow traveler—in truth, he was one of the most important conservative media figures in history—are just beginning to grieve. It is far, far too early to start pointing fingers, particularly when the individual (or individuals) directly at fault has not yet been apprehended.

Thankfully, there has also been an outpouring of renunciations of violence from many people who were at odds with Kirk politically: mainstream media commentators, Democratic political figures, etc. These expressions of moral and human solidarity are refreshing. The New York Times' Ezra Klein, for instance, praised him for "practicing politics the right way." Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, and other prominent Democrats issued statements of unqualified support for Kirk's family. That's all good and can help to de-escalate tensions.

But many others are going off the deep end—and some are even making a mockery of the very ideas that Kirk stood for. They ought to know better.

I wanted to highlight a few of the unhinged responses, because it will be useful to explain why they are wrong, harmful, and sadly indicative of various strains of incorrect thinking.

1. Blaming Kirk Himself for the Violence

Various left-wing people are suggesting that Kirk in effect brought this on himself because he employed, in their view, hateful rhetoric, and supported political causes that they believe are dangerous. Here was Andrea Junker, for instance.

Let's make one thing clear from the start: Charlie Kirk was the victim of a shooting in a country where he, along with other right-wing extremist influencers, have been inciting violence for years. — Kirk is neither a martyr nor a hero, he is a cause.

— Andrea Junker (@Strandjunker) September 10, 2025

In particular, some have singled out a statement he made in 2023: "It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment."

It's pathologically cruel and unfair to suggest that this is some kind of gotcha along the lines of Ha, bet you never would have guessed the gun death would be you! This becomes obvious if one substitutes gun deaths for any other kind of death. For instance, as Kirk noted in the 2023 video, there are around 40,000 motor vehicle deaths in the U.S. every year, but no one thinks cars should be banned outright. "[The country] has decided that the benefit of driving…is worth the cost" of these deaths, Kirk said. No one would consider this a particularly provocative observation. If Kirk had subsequently perished in a car accident, this would not change the situation. Americans broadly accept that there are tradeoffs between security and liberty; we want some level of liberty—generally more of it, if you're a libertarian—even at the cost of some otherwise preventable deaths.

Moreover, the general outlook shared by some in progressive circles—and one ex-MSNBC contributor—that Kirk espoused hateful views and thus had it coming, in some sense, is repugnant. The First Amendment right to express opinions deemed hateful by others should be cherished by all American political traditions, and if you feel inclined to say a victim of violence was essentially asking for it—you should probably stop talking. (Though you are by no means required to do so, thanks to the First Amendment.)

2. Rep. Clay Higgins Wants to Blacklist Those Celebrating Kirk's Death

Speaking of the First Amendment, at least one Republican legislator is proposing sweeping legislation in response to Kirk's death that not only violates the Constitution, it undermines the very principles that Kirk stood for. Rep. Clay Higgins (R–La.), for example, is calling for sweeping legislation to effectively criminalize any mocking of Kirk's death.

I'm going to use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk. If they ran their mouth with their smartass hatred celebrating the heinous murder of…

— Rep. Clay Higgins (@RepClayHiggins) September 11, 2025

"I'm also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked," wrote Higgins. "I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination."

Anybody celebrating Kirk's assassination should be roundly mocked and criticized, and can suffer whatever professional consequences are appropriate. But the government must not pressure private organizations, large tech companies, and schools to "cancel with extreme prejudice." The First Amendment prohibits the government from censoring speech; moreover, when government figures attempt to pressure private actors into self-silencing, we generally recognize this "jawboning" as a violation of the ethos of the First Amendment, whether or not it is literally prohibited.

Additionally, it's pretty clear that Kirk would not be in favor of this. Kirk decried cancel culture and enjoyed arguing with people who disagreed passionately with him, even if he found their views outrageous and wrong. Kirk did not want to cancel people with extreme prejudice: He wanted to debate them. He loved debating them. Watch any of those videos where he battled a bunch of leftists at once; it's obvious how much he's enjoying himself.

What Higgins is proposing would dishonor Kirk's memory.

3. Will South Park Pull Its Episode Making Fun of Kirk?

On a related note, there is absolutely no reason for Comedy Central to rid itself of the recent episode of South Park that made fun of Kirk.

So far, the television network has merely pulled a rerun of the episode, "Got a Nut," from its lineup; it did not air on Wednesday. That's an understandable move. What Comedy Central should not do is refuse to air the episode ever again, or remove it from whatever streaming platforms carry the full season.

The New York Post reported that so far, "it remains available to stream on Paramount+ with a subscription," but South Park's creators are facing considerable backlash from Kirk fans. This is misguided, not least of all because Kirk himself was a fan of South Park. In fact, he was honored by the show making fun of him and considered it a "badge of honor."

4. Calling Political Violence a Right-Wing Problem

Perhaps sensing that many on the right are going to cite Kirk's death as evidence that left-wing political violence is out of control, some progressive media figures are insisting that right-wing political violence is still a much bigger issue. This contention, though, relies on specious tallies of hate crime—and overlooks the more compelling point, which is that political violence remains fairly rare (for now).

Vox's Eric Levitz, for example, wrote on X that "right-wingers committed the vast majority of political murders" over the past decade.

A conservative murdered a Democratic lawmaker -- and wounded another -- three months ago.

Between 2013 and 2022, right-wingers committed the vast majority of political murders.

If you actually care about political violence, you should not spread wild lies about it. https://t.co/e2DnvIyv2S pic.twitter.com/NcywAmPLBp

— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) September 11, 2025

To be fair to Levitz, he was responding to a specific, incorrect claim from a conservative social media account that political violence is entirely a left-wing problem. It is not. A closer look at the very data Levitz is citing, however, provides a useful illustration of why various assumptions about escalating right-wing political violence are not so compelling.

Levitz referenced the Anti-Defamation League's 2024 report on murder and extremism, which does find that right-wing extremists committed not just most, but all of the ideologically motivated killings that year. That's because the grand total number of deaths was just 13. (It was a bad year for extremist killers.) Yet on New Year's Day, just a few hours outside the scope of the report, an Islamic extremist killed 14 people in New Orleans. Shifting the time frame ever so slightly would have reduced the percentage of right-wing extremist murders from 100 percent to about 50 percent, which goes to show how arbitrary some of these statistics can be.

Moreover, the ADL's report includes some very important clarifications: Namely, the majority of the right-wing extremist murders involved white supremacist prison gangs. "White supremacist prison gangs are particularly violent, committing hate-related murders, murders of members of other gangs, murders related to criminal enterprises such as illegal narcotics and murders of their own gang members and associates for reasons that may include such perceived offenses as breaking rules, attempting to leave a gang or being a suspected informant," notes the ADL.

Other organizations that tabulate right-wing extremism, such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, use creative and arguably misleading means to manufacture evidence that the number of hate groups in the U.S. is always increasing.

None of this means that rightwing extremists are harmless. White supremacist prison gangs are definitely a problem, even if they don't pose much of a threat to nonincarcerated Americans. But attempts to paint right-wing extremism as more threatening or prone to violence than left-wing extremism—or vice versa—often rely on sloppy and incomplete data. And importantly, nonideological violence—domestic violence, workplace violence, violence related to robberies and carjackings—is far, far more common. This is like arguing whether a penny weighs more than a nickel when there's also a gold bar weighing down the scales.

5. Ian Carroll Blames Israel

Ian Carroll, an independent podcaster who has appeared on Joe Rogan's show and seems generally well-liked by contrarian, anti-establishment audiences, is convinced he already knows who killed Kirk: the state of Israel.

Yesterday was a turning point for Israel US relations.

Les than 24 hours and the internet already figured out who the most likely culprit was.

He was their friend. He basically dedicated his life to them. And they murdered him in front of his family.

Israel just shot…

— Ian Carroll (@IanCarrollShow) September 11, 2025

Carroll has not cited any evidence in favor of this theory, because there is none. This is a good reminder that while expertise is occasionally overvalued—and is used by mainstream folks as an excuse to shut down worthwhile conversations with less-credentialed individuals—there are also a bunch of morons spouting off nonsense on podcasts.


This Week on Free Media

I'm joined by Amber Duke and Niall Stanage in separate segments to discuss the latest news regarding Kamala Harris finally turning on Team Biden, the Charlotte train murder, and other subjects. We finished filming just as the news about Kirk was breaking, so you'll have to wait until next week to see us address it. (Today's episode of Rising dedicated significant airtime to the subject, however.)

More Free Media here.


Worth Watching

I finally started the second season of Wednesday, which is pretty good and opens with an extended segment making fun of the TSA. Just my cup of tea!

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  1. Chumby   2 months ago

    Do a story on Welch’s “Red Wedding” post.

    1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

      Hey Scumby-Chump... PLEASE...

      Do a story on "Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley" from Our Dear LeaderShit, PLEASE!

      Twat movies Matt Welch might want to show to guests, is FAR less important, than SHITTY LeaderShit!

      https://mobile.twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12 “Now would be a good time to throw a big cocktail party in New York or Washington, and invite every single conservative writer you know. #RedWedding2”

      That’s the full quote. Did Welch call for “…all conservative writers be invited to a red-wedding style mass-slaughter…”? If in your fevered dreams, he WAS calling for that, was it for the party-going writers to be the dishers-out of the violence, as the victims, or as mere spectators? If as spectators, for their amusement, or to demonstrate the real horrors of real violence to them? Or, to see MOVIES about red weddings? … Y’all LOVE to rush to judgments, without any data, don’t you? Whenever doing so, fits YOUR story line!

      https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Wedding for reference

      Are YOU criticizing Welch for this questionable-meaning(s) allusion? I, for one, would urge adults who want to understand the ugliness of violence and revenge, to see “Clockwork Orange”. That has ZERO to do with me threatening ANYONE!!! Hello?!?!

      “Party at my place. Invite your teenaged relatives and friends. #StarWars”
      Did I just issue an invitation to blow up (“I sense disturbances in the Force”) entire planets full of teenagers, using Death Stars? … Well, yes, if you hate me and my kind, and honesty means NOTHING to you, I could see you using my party invitation that way, sure…

      I’m sorry that you suffer under the illusion that you know exactly what Matt Welch meant by that. There are MANY possible interpretations!
      Below is my interpretation:
      He meant that the conservatives should be invited to a party in which “Red Wedding” is screened for all viewers, so that conservatives (ESPECIALLY Trump-cultist conservatives) could learn exactly WHAT it is like, to be invited to a party, in order for KILLINGS to happen! And then maybe the Party of Trump Cultists will STOP inviting YOU to THEIR POLITICAL Party, in which democracy is deliberately murdered!!! (I know that it is WAAAAY too much to ask, that they should actually STOP trying to murder democracy, there in the Trump-Cult Party.)

      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        Begone demon.

      2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

        Unread

  2. Rick James   2 months ago

    Did anyone catch the takes on MSNBC.. that Kirk's murder was likely a Kirk supporter, caught up in the revelry and firing a gun in the air in celebration?

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      Yeah, 'a gun in the air', aimed at Kirk's neck. Pathetic...

    2. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

      They’re so insane that they think every conservative rally has random people firing guns every random direction. They had the same speculation after Trump was shot, that some conservatives in the crowd just went full Yosemite Sam in excitement and mag dumped into the crowd.

      This stuff never happens and yet it’s their mental image of what a conservative speaking event looks like.

      1. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

        Kinda conjures up old images of Saddam Hussein.

      2. Trollificus   2 months ago

        As is often the case, they will stick with their mental image of reality, even when it clearly and dramatically diverges from *real* reality.

        Thus we get such imaginary "true facts " as all conservative men abuse their wives (and wear "wife beaters" for easier identification), all skateboarders have been redpilled by Tim Pool, and any non-Jew who supports Israel is a Nazi.*

        *-there are many, many more insane contrafactuals that lefties/wokies/identitarians are stapled to, but it's like, work, to recall all of them. And not rewarding work.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 months ago

      Well whenever there is some political violence that might at first glance seem vaguely connected with the right, there are always a few idiotic commenters here who yell "FALSE FLAG OP!!!!!" So this seems like more of the same.

      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        Please provide an example, demon?

      2. DesigNate   2 months ago

        Claiming something is a false flag is a tad bit different than running with “stupid excited redneck just fired his gun all willie nillie!”

    4. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

      That wasn't even the dumbest thing he said in that appearance.

    5. damikesc   2 months ago

      That's what Bushies think of people.

    6. Trollificus   2 months ago

      Why wouldn't he think that? Just like every other gathering of conservatives, somebody gets shot in the head. There are thousands and thousands of dead conservatives, lost to MAGA over exuberance! Right? I mean, I ASSUME there are.

    7. JohnZ   2 months ago

      The leftist MSM is part of the problem, particularly PMSNBC and CNN. Nothing but lies, distorted facts and inflaming the leftists.

  3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "Let’s make one thing clear from the start: Charlie Kirk was the victim of a shooting in a country where he, along with other right-wing extremist influencers, have been inciting violence for years."

    Let's make one thing clear from the start: If this lefty cunt ever wears a skirt cut 1" above her knee, anyone may rape her without consequences.
    Fuck off and die, asswipe.

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 months ago

      I’d love it if they could list examples of what they think he said that “invites violence.” I’m only slightly aware of who Charlie Kirk was, but he seems like a very milquetost and unassuming conservative voice. Rush Limbaugh was probably edgier.

      But I don’t know, maybe they have specific examples they can cite. I would be interested in seeing a compilation of his edgiest and most provocative statements.

      1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

        Didn't know that (below)... AI Perplexity says...

        Charlie Kirk called on his supporters to bail the Pelosi attacker?

        Yes, it is true: **Charlie Kirk publicly called for his supporters to bail out the alleged attacker of Paul Pelosi.** On his podcast and across multiple media sources after the attack, Kirk said, “Why has he not been bailed out? If some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out,” directly suggesting that someone in his audience post bail for the attacker.[1][2][3][4][5]

        ## Supporting Sources

        - **Rolling Stone**: Reports Kirk’s words and his smirking suggestion that someone “go bail out” the attacker and ask him some questions.[1]
        - **Yahoo News and The Daily Beast**: Both note Kirk called for an “amazing patriot” to bail out the assailant who hospitalized Paul Pelosi.[2][3]
        - **YouTube and Reddit**: Podcasts and discussions feature Kirk’s statement encouraging bail for the attacker.[4][5]
        - **Washington Post and Boston Globe**: Major outlets confirm that Kirk made the plea to his supporters in the days following the attack.[6][7]

        This call drew widespread condemnation across the political spectrum as it appeared to endorse or minimize the violent attack on Pelosi’s husband. Kirk’s statements are well-documented by reliable news and commentary sources.[7][3][6][2][1]

        [1](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/charlie-kirk-bail-out-alleged-paul-pelosi-attacker-1234621493/)

        [2](https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-wants-an-amazing-patriot-to-bail-out-paul-pelosis-alleged-assailant/)

        Etc.

        SQRLSY says... Just following in the slut-steps of Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the peons, Servant, Serpent, and Slurp-Pants of the Ultra-Vile-Violence Evil One, AKA Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer, who once offered to pay the legal bills of an assaulter of a peaceful protester at a TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer rally!

        Twat cums around, goes around!!! I just wish shit would STOP, in Trump's Queen Spermy Daniels's twat, or ANYWHERE!!!

        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

          Unread

          1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

            Asstritches and bitches say shit like that when they bury their heads up their asses, yes indeed!

        2. DesigNate   2 months ago

          That’s still not “inciting violence”.

          1. SQRLSY   2 months ago

            This is true. Butt shit IS endorsing the violence of "fellow members of MY Sacred Team" (supporting criminally violent wrong-doers from being punished for their wrong-doings), which is damned close! And in this manure, Charlie K.K.K. was FOLLOWING AN EXAMPLE OF DEAR ORANGE LEADER!!! That's twat REALLY disgusts me!

            Ass I wrote... Just following in the slut-steps of Dear Orange Leader, Bleeder of the peons, Servant, Serpent, and Slurp-Pants of the Ultra-Vile-Violence Evil One, AKA Der TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer, who once offered to pay the legal bills of an assaulter of a peaceful protester at a TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer rally!

      2. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

        "I would be interested in seeing a compilation..."

        Yeah, so would I... That is, as long as we could depend on it not being taken completely out of context...

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

        I actually never watched any of the guy's videos. To be honest, I thought going to colleges to debate these students was a complete waste of time because he was never going to really change anyone's mind. The alt-right in particular, when they even watched the guy, tended to mock him as a giant dork that kind of epitomized the ever-earnest Young Republican goofballs of the 1990s and 2000s, who were always going on about Reagan and thinking "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" was a funny quip years after its sell-by date.

        Their assertions about what a dangerous person he really was had everything to do with the fact that he had the audacity to invade their seminaries and encouraged students to challenge the pretenses of their professors and liberal classmates. That's why they call him "provocative," while claiming that "democracy" needs to be defended "by any means necessary." What he "provoked" was a challenge to their political hegemony of their institutions.

      4. Super Scary   2 months ago

        "I’d love it if they could list examples of what they think he said that “invites violence.”"

        He's an advocate for the second amendment. In in the mind of the left, that is inciting violence. Look at how many of them are gloating that he was specifically shot instead of stabbed or run over by a red SUV.

        1. JohnZ   2 months ago

          The only ones guilty of inciting violence is the leftist MSM/CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NPR, PBS, NBC,CBS
          ABC/ Always Been Crap
          NBC/Nothing But Crap
          CBS/ Crap Broadcasting Network
          NPR/ National Propaganda Radio
          CNN/Crap News Network

    2. Liberty_Belle   2 months ago

      Let's make one thing clear from the start: If this lefty cunt ever wears a skirt cut 1" above her knee, anyone may rape her without consequences.

      You are a repugnant human being.

      Congrats on being the first person ever on my block list.

      1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

        Every last Lefty commentator is far worse, he was just repeating their logic back to them.

      2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        It's an analogy to show how evil what Robby said was, retard.

        1. DesigNate   2 months ago

          Robby didn’t say it, that stupid bint on Twitter did.

          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

            Yep, I was wrong

            GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND 4 hours ago
            Actually, my mistake, read this wrong.

            1. DesigNate   2 months ago

              Yeah, sorry, I should have scrolled a little further before commenting.

      3. SQRLSY   2 months ago

        Blocking Sevo the Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo? Good decision... You are missing NOTHING but slavish knee-jerk Orange Wonder Worshit and empty-headed name-calling!

      4. DesigNate   2 months ago

        His analogy, while needlessly graphic, exposes the logical bankruptcy of that ladies tweet.

        How do you not get that?

        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          .

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          She's not quite as intelligent as a box of rocks.

      5. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

        You are a repugnant slimy pile of lefty shit too stupid to tie your shoelaces. Fuck off and die, asswipe.

    3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

      Everyone defending Robby last night needs to read this.

      1. Your Therapist   2 months ago

        All the genocidal Zionists like to threaten people with rape. You see it all the time after they’ve already tried to spit on someone usually.

        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          What time is judge Wapner on?

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          "...genocidal Zionists..."
          Were you born a Nazi shit, or did you study to become one, asshole?

      2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        Actually, my mistake, read this wrong.

    4. Trollificus   2 months ago

      We do need an "upvote" or "+1" button for things that are mean-spirited, harsh and 100% true.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Rep. Clay Higgins (R–La.), for example, is calling for sweeping legislation to effectively criminalize any mocking of Kirk's death.

    If we take seriously every representative who says this kind of undoable garbage to play to his or her district...

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

      Yeah, this isn't going to do anything other than get Higgins laughed out of the building.

  5. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

    "I finally started the second season of Wednesday, which is pretty good and opens with an extended segment making fun of the TSA. Just my cup of tea!"

    I have bad news.

    1. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

      I have to revisit this, Wednesday inexplicably got better after episode 4 or 5. I've never seen a season start so bad and then rally.

      Mind, it still isn't good, it's just better than it started.

  6. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>South Park's creators are facing considerable backlash from Kirk fans.

    shame, their portrayal was not implicitly insulting.

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      And, AFAICT, they observed the "24 hour rule", which puts them slightly above me in the specific context of respect and/or good taste.

  7. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

    You can tell there have been two different standards because of how many insane liberals are celebrating murder under their real names

    https://x.com/UndeadFoia/status/1966236080925188232

  8. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    "Thankfully, there has also been an outpouring of renunciations of violence from many people"

    Friends, if it's premature to start pointing fingers and denouncing, it is also premature to start renouncing violence, logically speaking. If it's too soon to assign blame in the absence of a culprit or a motive, it's also unjustified to state that violence was uncalled for in this case, and for the same reasons. Unless the opponents of violence are saying violence is never justified, there is no possible way for them to be sure that violence was not justified in this case, theoretically speaking. While I agree that this was probably a mindless emotionalist politically-motivated crime, it is too soon for me to start arguing either way and it should be for you too!

    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 months ago

      …it's also unjustified to state that violence was uncalled for in this case,

      Violence is only acceptable in a self defense situation. This was not that.

      1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

        Omniscience must be an awesome superpower!

        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          Demon.

        2. Minadin   2 months ago

          You can't concede that this was not a self-defense situation? Guy on a roof shooting at a guy with a microphone from ~125 yards? You'd have to be all-knowing to declare that it couldn't be self-defense?

          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

            I'm not being hyperbolic when I call him a demon.

        3. Set Us Up The Chipper   2 months ago

          Eat shit and die.

        4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          "Omniscience must be an awesome superpower!"

          TDS certainly is, TDS-addled pile of shit.

  9. Ezra MacVie   2 months ago

    OF COURSE It was Israel. Who else?

    1. Jim Conley   2 months ago

      Hear, hear!
      Although it looks like Kirk's "anti-Semitism" was directed against American Jewish groups facilitating mass immigration and not the State of Israhell or individual American Jews.

      Russia's Medvedev pointed the finger at the Ukro-Nazis or their American fellow travelers..

      1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        Thanks Nazi, for making sure the world knows you're a Nazi.

    2. Trollificus   2 months ago

      Well...Trump.

  10. Dr Dahlager   2 months ago

    How is saying, "Charlie Kirk was murdered because of his hateful speech," any different from saying, "A woman was raped because of her sexy clothing"? Aren't both blaming the victim?

    1. JohnZ   2 months ago

      The left blames the victims while victimizing the criminal.

  11. Brandybuck   2 months ago

    What I noticed on my social media:

    * Thankfully, no one celebrating the death of anyone. Whoo! Charlie Kirk specifically condemned political violence.

    * People who absolutely ignored the shootings of left leaning politicians were posting constantly about Charlie Kirk. Where were you guys when Hortman was murdered? Yes, I know, violence is invisible until it's directed at one of your own. Both sides act that way.

    * MAGA conspiracy mongering that this was an inside job. Wait, the "inside" is Trump and MAGA! Are they saying Trump did it? Or are they saying there's still a leftie shadow government at work? Either way it's beyond nuts.

    1. Chumby   2 months ago

      What are sarc and charliehall like on social media?

    2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

      "* Thankfully, no one celebrating the death of anyone. Whoo! Charlie Kirk specifically condemned political violence.

      * People who absolutely ignored the shootings of left leaning politicians were posting constantly about Charlie Kirk. Where were you guys when Hortman was murdered? Yes, I know, violence is invisible until it's directed at one of your own. Both sides act that way."

      In regards to your second point, all the initial postings I saw about Charlie Kirk were people concerned for his life before he was announced dead. You realize he was shot at a live public event, streaming on the internet, and wasn't announced dead until later? Are you too stupid to not understand the significance of this fact?

      To point one, shortly after learning he had died, I was exposed to dozens of people celebrating his death, including a video of democrats in congress booing and hissing a request for prayer in between him being shot and announced dead. In the roughly 24 hours since I have now seen hundreds of examples of people celebrating and mocking his death or making threats to the people mourning his death, including here. And today at work.

      I never saw any of this when the Hortmans died. Did you? Please let me know if you did, I'll treat those people the same. But you didn't. And you knew you didn't when you made this post. That's why you're disgusting.

      As to point 3 this is the first I'm hearing this, but I'm only considered MAGA on this website so I have no idea what you're talking about.

      I'll leave you with this:

      He advocated stoning gays to death. Just sayin’.

      https://x.com/StephenKing/status/1966247527516389597

      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        Ironically two Hortmans died. You should probably know that when castigating others don't really care about her/them.

      2. DesigNate   2 months ago

        Pretty sure Stephen King took that completely out of context, which would be par for the course for that troglodyte.

        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          All the sudden I’m feeling like I let brandyfuck off the hook by including the Stephen King quote

          1. DesigNate   2 months ago

            Nah, the King tweet plays up the idea that certain people think it was possibly justified.

          2. rbike   2 months ago

            King retracted his statement and admitted it was wrong. Almost, kind of, apologized.

    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      What I noticed from your post:
      Brandyshit is a TDS-addled lying pile of shit.

  12. Minadin   2 months ago

    A conservative murdered a Democratic lawmaker -- and wounded another -- three months ago.

    They can repeat this as often as they want, but it's never been true.

    1. Trollificus   2 months ago

      Determined repetition is considered a rhetorical tool by lefties.

  13. AT   2 months ago

    This is going to be the first and last thing I have to say on the social/political implications of this tragedy.

    5 Idiotic Responses on Social Media

    5? Try all of them. ALL of them are idiotic responses. Including every single one here. Every single one of them have been idiotic.

    Because what is there to say about it that isn't ultimately self-serving and exploitative of his murder. What does it say about a person when they watch in gruesome horror (or even more gruesome delight) as a good man gets ruthlessly gunned down, and their reflex is "I'd better get on social media asap to make MY point about it. And boy oh boy am I going to use it to stick it to [insert enemy]!"

    Well, in my correct opinion, it doesn't say much about them.

    Like others I'm sure, there were a million different thoughts and emotions running through me both when the story broke, and then again when Charlie's death was announced. They ranged everywhere from, "We need to erect gallows on the White House lawn and start public hangings" (mind you, I'm against the death penalty) to "Turn the other cheek, do not become like that which has done such grievous wrong" to "There will be a vigilante reckoning borne of this" to "I wonder how quick before it's memory-holed" to "How has it become this bad" to "[XYZ] is to blame for it all" to, what I find to be the most persistent of thoughts, "Where do we go from here?"

    And with that last thought, came the correct response; the only response to this that's proper. It won't be found on social media, nor will anyone on Earth hear or read it. I know most of you don't want to hear it, but tough - you clearly need to.

    The appropriate response is prayer. Not to be confused with mere spirituality, not to be confused with empathy, not putting on a show of piety for an audience - just literal silent prayer to the one and only true Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And it doesn't even have to be specific. Even now, I don't 100% know what I'm praying for. Peace for his soul, grace to his family, help for this nation, protection for my loved ones, a sense of understanding, a hope for justice - it's everything at the same time all garbled together with no magic string of words to properly convey it to anyone but God.

    And despite every story I've read, every clip I've watched - from the callous and cruel, to the heartfelt and genuine - every time I think I have something poignant or meaningful to say, I realize that nothing could be that poignant or meaningful in response to something this horrific. Because prayer is the ONLY correct response. And it's odd, because as I think back to this same day 24 years ago when I didn't pray nearly as much, I suddenly realized I had the exact same reaction that day as well.

    There just were no words. None that wouldn't abuse a tragedy for the sake of some fleeting sense of self-importance that comes with a reactive Hot Take.

    And maybe - just maybe - if prayer was our immediate response, we'd have a lot less Idiotic Responses and a lot more human decency. And, hopefully as a result, a lot less tragedies of this kind. Or, at the very least, a more rational response to them.

    I think Charlie would agree. Even if he was a dang Protestant. 🙂

    I sure hope I'm doing right by him.

    Psalm 34.

    Requiescat in pace.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      ++

  14. JohnZ   2 months ago

    We have witnessed plenty of left wing violence in the past , with some of the worst of the MSM inflamed death of George Floyd which caused 2$ billion in damages and loss, people murdered and wounded and entire sections of cities set afire, all because the leftist MSM decided to inflame the death of a career criminal and drug addict.
    The MSM is as guilty of Charlie Kirk's murder as the person who pulled the trigger. Their portrayal of Kirk as some right wing extremist is beyond the pale and ranks down in the gutter along with the worst of any left wing media dope.
    Kirk was no right wing extremist as the MSM whores and mouth pieces so blatantly described him but that's their job: lie, distort and propaganda.
    The MSM shares some of the blame for the murder of Charlie Kirk and hope that some day they will be called to account for their lies and for inflaming the left to commit more violence.
    Then listening to some of the remarks by the left wing stooges which by the way cost one of them their job, makes a laughing stock of the MSM.

  15. Boomer   2 months ago

    > The First Amendment right to express opinions deemed hateful by others should be cherished by all American political traditions...

    This should be especially true for someone who's very career is made possible by the First Amendment.

  16. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

    Only 5?

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