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Authoritarianism

The Anti-Lockdown Imposters of the New Right

Today’s MAGA intellectuals rail against COVID restrictions, but in 2020 many cheered them on—or demanded even harsher crackdowns.

Phillip W. Magness | 9.5.2025 1:35 PM

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Left to right: Steve Bannon, Jack Posobiec, Curtis Yarvin, Tucker Carlson, Mike Cernovich | Illustration: Eddie Marshall | David Merfield | Gage Skidmore | Wikimedia Commons | Flickr
(Illustration: Eddie Marshall | David Merfield | Gage Skidmore | Wikimedia Commons | Flickr)

Resistance to the COVID-era lockdowns occupies a central place in the political identity of the New Right—the eclectic group of national conservatives, postliberals, populists, and neoreactionaries at the ideological core of the MAGA coalition. Ironically, it was President Donald Trump who enabled lockdowns by proclaiming a national emergency in March 2020 and appointed Anthony Fauci to lead his administration's pandemic response efforts. And yet the New Right has opted to look past these contradictions. 

It has become routine for New Right political figures to position themselves as leaders of a bold resistance against the COVID restrictions—vice president and self-described postliberal J.D. Vance launched his Senate campaign in 2021 with an attack on "Fauci's cabal"—even as they were largely absent as these events unfolded in 2020.

The Rise of Resistance to Expertise

For many on the New Right, COVID serves as the origin story of their own political radicalization. Auron MacIntyre, a columnist for The Blaze and postliberal internet influencer, recently declared as much on Tucker Carlson's podcast: "I just realized, OK, the Constitution is not stopping [the lockdowns]….That's kind of how I started tweeting and, you know, putting out material and writing."

Similar claims about resistance in the time of COVID-19 are a common theme on the New Right, and one that Carlson has parlayed into a broader assault against "experts" across the scientific, policy, and economic realms. In his 2023 book Regime Change, postliberal political theorist Patrick Deneen posits that the pandemic exposed "a growing division between those calling for deference to expertise" and "a more 'populist' resistance to governance by 'elites.'" In his telling, the New Right arose from this backlash against expertise run amok, first exemplified by public health officials during COVID but also extending to the neoliberal economists whose support for free trade he faults for a litany of other issues—real and imaginary.

New Right internet personality and provocateur Mike Cernovich expressed these sentiments more bluntly in a post on X after Trump's "Liberation Day" tariff announcements: "Experts have been wrong about nearly every issue of consequence. COVID showed they will lie shamelessly and face no consequences. Free traders (so called) were nearly, to a person, Covidians."

MacIntyre's autobiographical account to Carlson goes even further in delineating how lockdowns converted him from a Sean Hannity–listening Republican to a New Right spokesman. "I started reading a lot of political theory outside of the mainstream," MacIntyre said. "I read this guy, Curtis Yarvin….And the more I read that, the more I wanted to share what was going on." It is a revealing watershed moment. 

The Original Lockdowners

Yarvin (who also writes under the pen name Mencius Moldbug) has become something of a pop philosopher of the New Right. He adheres to a peculiar belief system dubbed the "Dark Enlightenment," which he built on the ideas of 19th century pro-slavery and anti-capitalist theorist Thomas Carlyle. Yarvin's writings espouse a visceral disdain for democratic institutions and "consumerism" in the economic realm, a belief that American constitutionalism is a failed experiment, a fascination with absolute monarchy and feudalism, and more than passing ventures into eugenic theory. 

In both content and blusterous tone, Yarvin's style is reminiscent of Ignatius J. Reilly, the bumbling reactionary protagonist of the classic novel A Confederacy of Dunces, albeit with more racism. Despite these eccentricities as well as his more noxious personal bigotries, he has gained a surprising amount of influence on the New Right. Vance is also a Yarvin fan, and Deneen recently joined him in a podcast discussion about the New Right's conceptualization of conservatism. 

MacIntyre is a devout Yarvin enthusiast, but with a peculiar twist. At the time of MacIntyre's claimed COVID awakening in April 2020, Yarvin was busy preaching the necessity of Wuhan-style lockdowns, electronic exposure tracking, and other authoritarian measures to halt the coronavirus in America. 

Yarvin's counter-pandemic "plan" ventured into extremes that even the most fanatical lockdowners avoided stating openly. "Americans all have [cell] phones," he wrote. "Why haven't we started full population control—with involuntary tracking, testing, and isolation—yesterday?"

He mocked lockdowns in his home state of California for being insufficiently aggressive to accomplish the task of virus control, ridiculed Americans as too "puerile, spoiled and arrogant" to meet the challenge of COVID, and faulted our free economy and democratic institutions for creating obstacles to imposing a China-esque virus control plan. Yarvin's proposed interventions read like a would-be dictator's fever dream. 

He called for the creation of a "Coronavirus Authority" with "unconditional and unlimited authority over all public and private actors," operating beyond the reach of Congress and unaccountable to any court review or constitutional oversight. To blunt the economic disruption of such draconian measures, Yarvin proposed that the Federal Reserve convert all private stock and bond holdings into public assets in exchange for a one-time payment. In this new financial reordering, "The Fed owns all public companies" for the duration of the pandemic, with any debt being incurred by the Fed and then canceled. This temporary dictatorship (or as Yarvin put it, "literally the state capitalism of the Soviet Union") would run for the course of the pandemic before resetting society after the lockdowns worked—an outcome in which Yarvin had supreme confidence.

As for anyone who complained, Yarvin's plan called for complete social ostracism and suppression. "In a sane world, anyone with a public record of minimizing the coronavirus would be cancelled—unfit for any further employment, let alone in this crisis." He wanted people to fear even "being linked to a coronavirus minimizer."

Yarvin's Covidian dictator fantasies make for a stark contrast with MacIntyre's recollections of the same period. Indeed, MacIntyre's social media feed from April 2020 reveals very little about his opinions on lockdowns, but he did upload several YouTube videos and posted on X, then Twitter, proselytizing Yarvin's philosophy and his concept of "the Cathedral," an alleged decentralized system of ideological control over society and culture operating at the behest of expert "elites." Yarvin's activities in early 2020 reveal an extreme case of the New Right's embrace of lockdowner ideology as COVID unfolded. But he's not the only example.

Cernovich spent the first several months of the pandemic promoting the very same brand of alarmism that he now projects, without evidence, onto critics of Trump's tariff agenda. He attacked Trump in a blog post for moving too slowly against the virus, calling the pandemic "Trump's Katrina." He shared Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D–Mass.) call for the government to take control of international supply chains and manage the economy through the pandemic's storm, and posted a podcast denouncing the "losers" who questioned his pandemic alarmism. Left-wing magazine Mother Jones even published a profile of Cernovich touting him as the "surprising pro-Trumper" who was taking COVID seriously.

In a Fox News interview on March 22, 2020, Steve Bannon proposed going "full hammer on the virus right now with a full shutdown," adding that we should "use the stimulus to bridge the economic crisis." He claimed doing so could get us through the pandemic in "two weeks or four weeks," a prediction reminiscent of the administration's eventual "15 days to slow the spread." 

Bannon established himself as an alarmist well before most Americans even noticed the pandemic. In a January 2020 podcast, he broadcast apocalyptic warnings about a new virus from China along with guest Jack Posobiec, another New Right journalist attached to the MAGA movement. Bannon and Posobiec called for the implementation of travel bans from Asia and layered their discussion of the virus in apocalyptic hype. Today, both men have largely reinvented themselves as leaders of the COVID-era resistance and skeptics of the very same scientific expertise they once invoked to spread alarm.

It Was Never Just About COVID

Today, New Right figures rail against Fauci and the United States' pandemic response policies that they embraced or acquiesced to in 2020. But they remain suspiciously silent about the lockdown records of other governments they support. The New Right, and postliberals in particular, often extol the government of Viktor Orbán in Hungary as a model for conservative governance. Orbán imposed harsh lockdowns in 2020, far exceeding the restrictions in the United States. Another New Right hero, President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador, imposed one of the strictest lockdown regimes in Central America and repeatedly defied court orders that challenged his rule by emergency decree. Bukele's subsequent takeover of his country's judiciary and accompanying prison system are, in part, direct byproducts of his COVID-era restrictions.

As with much of America, genuine fear over an unknown pandemic likely motivated the New Right toward lockdowns and other forms of alarm at the outbreak of the pandemic. Before he turned against lockdowns in the late spring of 2020, Carlson personally lobbied Trump to take more aggressive action in his COVID response. Other, more opportunistic motives also played a role though, as New Right figures tried to appropriate the pandemic response to pet issues such as countering free trade and immigration.

Once again, Yarvin emerged as an early proponent of restrictions, albeit for motives that extended beyond virus control. Writing for the Claremont Institute blog on February 1, 2020, Yarvin pronounced globalism "dead of coronavirus." He endorsed an immediate travel ban across the Pacific, thereby "disconnecting our planet's two great hemispheres," and made condescending jabs at Westerners for viewing quarantines as antiquated relics of the past. Yarvin's commentary had another objective though. He viewed the emerging pandemic as a proxy issue in his own larger battle against "globalization," a longstanding New Right bête noire at the center of their cultural and economic grievances. To Yarvin, COVID shutdowns also disrupted trade, travel, free migration, and the spirit of consumerism that he blames for most of his cultural grievances. Travel restrictions, lockdowns, and other responses to the pandemic would strike a simultaneous blow against the international economic order that his Carlylean worldview finds so abhorrent.

Let the Track Records Speak for Themselves

None of this record should deflect from the fact that COVID restrictions took an immense toll on human liberty in 2020. Some on the New Right may genuinely recognize that toll today, as reflected in more recent comments. It is not difficult to take a bold stance against lockdowns from hindsight in 2025 though. March 2020 was a different story—a time when lockdown critics were vilified in the media, censored by social media companies, denounced by political leaders, and threatened with cancellation—the very same tactics that Yarvin espoused from the outset.

While Yarvin and company were embracing state authoritarianism, I published one of the first critiques of the Imperial College epidemiology model. I helped bring the case study of Sweden to worldwide attention as an example of a viable alternative to lockdowns. I was one of the original co-organizers of the conference that produced the Great Barrington Declaration. I also uncovered Fauci's censorship scheming through Freedom of Information Act requests. 

I mention these facts not to boast of my positions but to convey that the anti-lockdown movement was a lonely place at the outset of the pandemic for those of us who advanced it on the ground. The New Right may claim credit for leading the resistance movement today. As those of us who were there in 2020 know, however, they were largely absent from that movement at the time it mattered. Or worse, as with Yarvin, they were directly complicit in the lockdown cause.

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Phillip W. Magness is the David J. Theroux Chair in Political Economy at the Independent Institute.

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  1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

    MAGA intellectual? That's hilarious!

    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   4 months ago

      It’s amusing to watch a drunken retard, such as yourself, impugn the intellect of his vastly superiors. It would be even more amusing to hear you beg while slapping you around. But you’re too scared to follow through on your drunken threats.

    2. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

      MAGAs are the dumbest shits this side of the dark ages. Now that I read this article they might even go back farther than that.

      MAGAs are like the hijackers of Ethiopian flight 961. To stupid to do anything other then violence and kill themselves.

      1. Zeb   4 months ago

        Oh, for fuck's sake. MAGA may be wrong about a lot of things. There is certainly plenty I disagree with or am not convinced of. But if you think that the only reason people believe these things is stupidity or being bad people, you will never understand anything about anything. And if you think the dark ages were called "dark" because it was an era of unusual stupidity, you are even more hopeless.

        1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

          But if you think that the only reason people believe these things is stupidity or being bad people, you will never understand anything about anything.

          It's tribalism. That's all. It's just going with whatever the tribe says because that's how you stay accepted by the tribe. Stupid people do it and smart people do it too. Perhaps intellectuals do as well, but not for intellectual reasons.

          1. Zeb   4 months ago

            Yeah, that's definitely a big factor in all politics, especially "movement" type politics.

          2. Ersatz   4 months ago

            Perhaps intellectuals do as well??! Malcom Gladwell just came out as one of these. His motivation was to remain in the tribe - but its tribalism either way. Intellectuals are the biggest offenders... public ones anyways. Private ones can "just sit at the back and not get in anyone's way"... keep below the radar.

        2. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

          What is the other explanation for MAGAs who believe stuff that is objectively and easily verifiable as false?

          1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

            Tribalism you ninny. The same could easily be said about the political left. Especially the far left with which MAGA has more in common than with traditional conservatives or libertarians.

          2. Zeb   4 months ago

            Yeah, it's terrible that any of these people ever thought that lockdowns were a good idea.
            Smart people of all political persuasions are capable of believing all kinds of wrong things. Half of the fucking left (if not more) still thinks that socialism isn't a terrible idea, FFS.

          3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 months ago

            Lol. You believe covid came from a wet market, that sleepy joe was sharp as a tack, that putting $2T borrowed from the future and pushed into the economy in the present would be an “inflation reduction act”, that dudes can be chicks, and that crime is at 30 year lows in big cities, among many other absurdities.

            Molly, you and charliehall are the last people who should be calling anyone stupid. What an idiot.

          4. epsilon given   4 months ago

            It's a hoot seeing you want an explanation for MAGAs who believe stuff that's objectively and easily verifiable as false! I have seen a lot of stuff you have posted here over the years. Let's just observe that MAGAs aren't the only ones who have this problem!

            I'm not in a position to justify MAGAs, but I will at least ask this: What grounds do any Democrats have to stand on to demand an explanation for MAGAs who believe stuff that is objectively and easily verifiable as false, when they have spent at least 4 years assuring us that Pretendent Biden was "sharp as a tack"?!?

            Ok, I lied: I'm going to give you one possible reason MAGAs believe so many easily-verifiably-false lies: they believe half of what CBS, NBC, CNN, NYT (Walter Durranty of old times was a particular hoot! -- either a willfully blind useful idiot or more likely someone complicit in Soviet crimes against humanity), etc, etc, etc, have to say.

            As for the other half? Those are the blatant lies that even MAGA idiots can see right through. (Well, I say "even MAGA idiots", but there's a class of people who can't recognize these lies, and they believe the MSM 100%: we call these people Democrats.)

        3. con_fuse9   4 months ago

          The reason MAGA is perceived as 'stupid' is their unwavering support of Trump in the face of, what normal people recognize, as irrefutable evidence that Trump is not who he says he is.
          The snake oil salesman... whom half the town recognizes as a con-artist and the MAGA think the oils really work.
          The problem is that you cannot have the best economy, the best military and no taxes - no matter how much the genius in charge 'feels' it is possible.

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            After four years of lies like "Pretendent Biden is as sharp a tack", even someone like President Trump becomes a breath of fresh air, even if he's only kindof sortof honest, because kindof sortof honesty is mountains above what the Democrats and the Media were shoving (and still are trying to shovel) down our throats.

          2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

            You keep believing what you have been told to believe and thinking you are one of the normal people because they said so.

      2. Idaho-Bob   4 months ago

        So tell us what is a woman? The DEI SCOTUS appointee cannot.

        1. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 months ago

          "Sarcasmic" is a woman. Specifically, she is Mingo-Mango-Mongo, the blue-haired lipstick lesbian so-called "Editor in Chief" of Reason.

          1. Alberto Balsalm   4 months ago

            You win the Internet for today, sir. Congratulations

      3. Uncle Jay   4 months ago

        Yeah, the real geniuses come from the left, like Biden, Pelosi, AOC, Omar, Tlaib, Johnson, etc.
        With them in charge, the US will finally become the Stalinist slave state the lunatic left covets so much.

        1. con_fuse9   4 months ago

          You are cherry picking.
          But even the ones you picked are better than Trump because they consider the consequences of their decisions.
          Trump assumes everyone will comply with his demands vs. other countries changing strategy.... India meeting with China for example. Chinese buying Iranian oil (at a discount no less). etc. etc.
          Tarrif on Chinese steel? What does that do to the US business, selling to... say Europe? It puts him out of business...
          Switching to higher cost American steel doesn't change that.

          But... Trump is the 'genius'.

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            I don't buy the claim that those guys on the list are better at considering the consequences of their decisions. They are the reason President Trump barely eeked out a first term, and between the Russian Collusion hoax created out of whole cloth and used as an excuse to spy on President Trump's campaign and Presidency (fun fact: President Trump won despite this spying!), the lying about him, the refusal to work with him, the stealing (oh, sorry, fortifying was the term Time Magazine used) the election, the lawfare (it was weird to see President Trump's popularity to bump up every time they opened a new case), the botched Afghanistan withdrawl, and the lies about Pretendent Biden being "sharp as a tack" and Kamala Harris being competent, the assassination attempts, among many other things ...

            They could have had a Democrat Lite President had they just plied his ego in his first term, but instead, they stymied him, they attacked him, they impeached him, they cheated him of his second term, they tried to jail him and kill him -- in short, they gave him every reason to plot revenge, and a whopping four years to do it -- and to top it all off, they botched Afghanistan, their lawfare made Americans angry and pushed them to support Trump, their assassination attempts not only failed, but made Trump a bad-assed icon in the process ...

            Is it any wonder why President Trump filled his cabinet with other people who would want revenge, and then, with a vengeance, destroy USAID and the NGOs that were destroying America with our tax dollars, expose the weaponization of the FBI and CIA, immediately start trade wars that in reality were started by these other countries years before (we're just now fighting back!), and much more, while the majority of Americans cheer him on, and Democrats repeatedly take the 20% side of every 80/20 issue ...

            Are you sure there are any Democrats who understand the consequences of their decisions? Because from my vantage point, they simultaneously read both President Trump and the American people very, very badly.

      4. Restoring the Dream   4 months ago

        That's TOO stupid, you genius, you.

    3. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

      My favorite oxymoron is King Kong Dong…gorillas have very small penises.

    4. con_fuse9   4 months ago

      "MAGA Intellectual" HAHAHA That's funny.

      1. epsilon given   4 months ago

        Still smarter than the smartest Democrats, though!

  2. VinniUSMC   4 months ago

    SaGN? Man, REEson LiberTeen magazine sure knows how to pick them.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 months ago

      Fuck off retard. You supported all this shit like a good leftist lemming.

      1. VinniUSMC   4 months ago

        I think you posted this in the wrong place.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 months ago

          I did. Was meant for sarc. Apologies.

  3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 months ago

    Reasons most ironic article ever.

    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   4 months ago

      I laughed when I saw the title. Reason hit rock bottom long ago, but continues to dig.

      1. jimc5499   4 months ago

        Another bullshit article from Reason. There was support for the original 15 day pause, but, then the Democrats got "He-Man syndrome", you know, "I HAVE THE POWER!". That's when it hit the fan. As I recall Reason and usual clowns who post here totally supported the Democrats power grab. These days Reason just throws shit and hopes desperately that some of it will stick.

        1. mad.casual   4 months ago

          Yeah, the reframing of Bannon and several others is exceptionally dishonest. They are or were talking about a full shutdown for 2-4 weeks or were talking about a shutdown of international supply chains with a refocus on domestic production.

          They sure as shit weren't talking about capturing the social media companies and burying the Great Barrington Declaration.

          Moreover, even if they were, like everything else DNC at the moment, they Bannon, Trump, etc. read the fucking room and acted as representatives of the people instead of going full "I am the science!" months and years after the fact.

          1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

            The worst thing Trump did was the travel ban from China when China was taking Covid seriously. Covid then entered America through Europe after the travel ban from China when the Republican senators were telling their donors we were going to shut down travel from Europe…but by the time Trump did it infected people from Europe had already entered America. Oh yeah, and Trump had a Muslim travel ban but still allowed an Iraqi assassin intent on murdering Bush into the country. Oh, and Trump inexplicably stopped illegal immigration in 2020 but allowed in huge quantities of fentanyl.

            1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   4 months ago

              The same China that was lying to the world via the WHO that there was no evidence of person to person transmission? The same China that said covid came from a wet market and not the nearby biolab that was doing gain of function research? That China?

            2. DesigNate   4 months ago

              This is dumb, even for you.

              1. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

                I don't know what Grey Box said, but that is the appropriate response.

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 months ago

      First paragraph mentions “contradictions” about covid restrictions yet never bothers to mention that every piece of shit dem with a mic in front of their filthy pie holes declared right up until Election Day 2020 that they “wouldn’t trust a vaccine developed under this administration” only to flip 180 by Inauguration Day, and then try to mandate it 6 months later. How do you address covid contradictions without talking about that?

      Fuck this guy. What a joke.

      1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   4 months ago

        And don't forget, the guy advising Trump, Fauci, was at best making it up as he went along.

        1. con_fuse9   4 months ago

          So was Trump!
          Your point?
          No one knew the best way to handle COVID19. We did understand that filling up the hospitals was not the best plan.

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            The point was, they were lying to us when they claimed they had the science.

            They didn't. They were just making it up as they went along, and expected the peasants to just accept the lies, hook, line, and sinker.

            Oh, and what's worse: President Trump had as much reason to believe Fauci as we did. He's an "expert"! He "knows what he's doing!" He "isn't making it up as he goes along, he's The Science!"

            1. jimc5499   4 months ago

              The first red flag to me was mandating the use of masks without any guidance on how to clean them for reuse or how to dispose of what was contaminated material. The second was that there was no standards for masks.

  4. Kungpowderfinger   4 months ago

    the New Right—the eclectic group of national conservatives, postliberals, populists, and neoreactionaries at the ideological core of the MAGA coalition

    Well Reason has found a not very clever name to describe the people their editorial staff seems to hate at the very fibers of their beings.

  5. Incunabulum   4 months ago

    Remember - once you take a position you are never allowed to change it even if new evidence is available that shows you are wrong.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 months ago

      Got to confess your sin, perform an act of contrition, to achieve absolution.

      1. VinniUSMC   4 months ago

        Got to eat your meat before you get any pudding.

        1. con_fuse9   4 months ago

          It's "eat"? My bad!

    2. sarcasmic   4 months ago

      Depends on the subject and the position. Some beliefs are just too blasphemous to come back from because they are basic tenets of the religious faith. Like the belief that the 2020 election was stolen. Someone can't say they didn't believe it due to lack of evidence and then change their mind. They may as well have said that Jesus was a donkey and then changed their mind. It's just not going to fly.

      1. Michael Ejercito   4 months ago

        How does this contrast to the belief that the 2016 election was stolen?

      2. epsilon given   4 months ago

        I have seen plenty of evidence that the election was stolen. I didn't ever see that evidence refuted.

        What I did see was major censorship of that evidence or even talking about it, by Facebook, Pre-X Twitter, Youtube, et al. With Elon Musk's release of the "Twitter Files", we even know that the FBI had a major role in driving this censorship -- which makes the censorship unConstitutional, despite the excuse "but they are private platforms!".

        I always have to question when ideas are being censored. If they are false, why the suppression? Why not just prove them false?

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

      This is, unironically, the standard that you and your team hold everyone else to. Why shouldn't you be held to the same standard?

      1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        That's so true. If you or me change our mind on something or contradict something we said ten years ago, you-know-who will be gleefully posting about how we're liars who believe this thing we said in a throwaway comment a decade ago, not what we said today.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 months ago

          To this day you still state you werent wrong about censorship, covid, etc etc. You still call those who were conspiracy theorists. That is your fucking problem.

          The only reason your views changed were because the evidence, posted here for you for years, became overwhelming, but you still claim you were right.

          Your ego is matched only by alcoholism.

      2. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   4 months ago

        You have no room to talk Mr. Bear in a Trunk.

  6. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 months ago

    Molebut? Who cares... how about the assholes who voted for it, that are still in office.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/748/all-actions

  7. Zeb   4 months ago

    Well Tucker is a pussy and Yarvin is a weirdo who makes up political philosophies for his own amusement. What do you expect?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      The more telling part of this article is the inference that MAGA or anyone else on the right considers these guys to be sages that are never questioned. Slathering, uncritical hero worship of media figures is something that's been a calling card of the left going back to Edward R. Murrow, and fully blossomed in the 2000s with Jon Stewart and the rest of the Daily Show retards.

      The post facto accusations of "hypocrisy" vis a vis COVID lockdowns is a great example. No one was really questioning at the time that it might be prudent to try and limit public contact for a couple of weeks, irrespective of the "two weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit that was being used to justify it. Once these governments started extending restrictions into two months, and then two YEARS in some cases, then resistance to them started to increase in kind.

      Concurrently, medical publishing such as the New England Journal of Medicine began blatantly ignoring or switching their narratives on the effecacy of masks. Something that did not prevent the mass spread of viral illnesses in March of 2020 and several decades prior, suddenly became a necessity because it did after April 2020.

      Deaths of people who in car accidents were classed as COVID deaths if they happened to have COVID. Same with any other potential health factor. All to pump up the numbers of the death count for both propaganda purposes, and because the hospitals were financially incentivized to do so via government payouts because they weren't performing any other procedures (which ended up killing people both during and after the pandemic).

      Teachers claiming that going back to classroom instruction would kill them, because they didn't want to get out of bed until 10 minutes before class started, and endorsed by that diesel dyke Weingarten and the rest of the teacher unions.

      And let's not overlook the little factor of the Fentanyl Floyd riots, which isn't even TOUCHED on here. What really kicked that resistance into gear were the same doctors who spent several weeks up to that point saying you were going to kill grandma and shouldn't attend church or eat out in a restaurant, were claiming that mass riots were a public health benefit and people should participate. Ironically, by doing so they refuted their own propaganda that mass gatherings would be "super-spreader" events that would cause even more deaths.

      "Expertise" didn't die of natural causes, it committed suicide.

      1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

        Masks worked—we have reams of actual data that shows masks worked. Why would you cite a study when different counties did different mitigation measures and you can easily compare and contrast??

        1. Zeb   4 months ago

          Because those are anecdotes, often based on cherry picked data, with lots of uncontrolled variables, not valid studies.

          1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

            Nope, we have data from 330 million Americans.

            1. DesigNate   4 months ago

              No, we don’t.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

          You.
          Are.
          Full.
          Od.
          Shit.

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

          Masks worked—we have reams of actual data that shows masks worked.

          No, we had a lot of "studies" that started from the conclusion and worked back from there. Absolutely nothing that came out of the medical community during COVID needs to be taken at face value, because it was all done in service to a pre-existing narrative.

          1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

            Some counties had mask mandates and some didn’t. The counties with mask mandates have lower Covid death rates than the counties without…and even a county like York county in SC benefited from Mecklenberg county’s mask mandate because it is in Charlotte metro even though it is in SC. Why do the big urban Democrat counties in red states have the second lowest Covid death rates only after wealthy Republican counties in which the Zoom class resides that got vaccinated quickly??

            1. Michael Ejercito   4 months ago

              So what?

              Freedom is more important than life?

            2. DesigNate   4 months ago

              Tell me you don’t understand confounding variables without telling me you don’t understand.

              1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

                "...without telling me you don’t understand..."

                Yep, you can stop right there and be assured you are correct.

              2. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

                The important variables are age at the low end and poverty rate…age at the high end isn’t a big factor because America is generally old and unhealthy. So young age is a factor in Utah and Travis county and DC because those are young populations. Georgia and South Carolina and Florida all did the same thing at the same time and Florida’s death rate is merely slightly higher than Georgia’s which has a significantly younger population just not Utah young. The other big factor is what and when mitigation measures were implemented which is why North Carolina has a significantly lower Covid death rate than adjacent GA and SC even with a relatively old population.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

        Yes to all of that. The fact that some right wing blowhards switched teams early on isn't particularly relevant at this point. I've never heard of any of these people aside from Bannon and none of them had the power to destroy that corrupt health officials and petty politicians had. If Reason really wants to revisit Covid they could start with an edition admitting their perfidy and begging our forgiveness. I mean they still have Ron Bailey stinking up the place.

        1. mad.casual   4 months ago

          begging our forgiveness

          Does insisting we owe them amnesty count?

      3. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

        A perfect summary of what actually happened. Covid killed a hell of a lot of people, mostly the elderly and those with certain preexisting conditions. You can thank the CDC and CCP for that.

        The response to Covid killed quite a few as well, and will for years continue to take it's toll in suicides and undiagnosed/ untreated maladies. It also killed any trust 40-60% of the population has in institutions of every kind. The rise of cranks like RFK can be laid directly at the feet of Fauci, Biden's handlers, corporate media, big tech, etc.

        Oh, and let's not leave Reason out of this. The party ostensibly built for this moment rolled over and licked the government boot faster than anyone. Add the LP to the list of deaths with Covid.

      4. con_fuse9   4 months ago

        All you need to know it was Florida that was overreporting deaths as COVID deaths until the CDC explained it to them.... presumably by talking slowly and drawing pictures with crayons back in April 2020.
        It has been shown that red counties (counties that voted for Trump) couldn't quite account for excess deaths by the reported COVID deaths.
        These same MAGAts have zero evidence that the 2020 election was fraudulent, but they cannot comprehend the statistics of excess deaths.
        Of course these red areas also have life expediencies in the 50s.

        1. epsilon given   4 months ago

          Absence of evidence? You mean, like this?

          2020 Election: Fudgery is Afoot.

          Has any of this been refuted? No, of course not! Why refute it, when you could just censor it, like any freedom-loving democracy would do?

          Oh, and I don't trust your numbers. You are one of the ones who insisted Pretendent Biden is "smart as a tack", and now you want to assure us you aren't lying about Covid statistics? What kind of idiot do you take me to be?!?

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

          All I need to know is that your side fucked up your color revolution so badly that the guy you tried to get thrown in jail ended up becoming President again.

      5. charliehall   4 months ago

        Mandatory lockdowns had ended in 49 states by the end of June 2020.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

          Cherry-picking again, eh, chuckles? Tell us how those "vaccine passports" went.

    2. Dillinger   4 months ago

      yes exactly.

  8. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

    MAGAs are impervious to the concept of truth and reason. They will believe what they want and trample anyone who gets in their way.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      Yes, you dumb bitch, we realize how much you hate getting your own "liberating tolerance" shoved back down your throat.

    2. DesigNate   4 months ago

      You misspelled Democrats again, doc.

    3. epsilon given   4 months ago

      "Sharp as a tack!" Oh, yes, MAGAs are impervious to the concept of truth and reason. If only they would listen to Democrats and their Media lap dogs, and stop believing their lying eyes, Democrats could finally get that absolute power that is theirs by right, darn it!

  9. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

    Seems nonsensical for the writer to project this Yarvin person as even a centrist never mind on the right. The person is full blown authoritarian leftist.

    Putting the travel ban in place when trump did was criticized but that was the best move made to reduce the impact of Covid.

    Is a pandemic an emergency? Yes. Blaming Trump for the abhorrent policies pushed into place by democrat governors locking down their states that caused far more harm than the virus because he labelled the pandemic as an emergency is disingenuous and wrong.

    There is no new right. There is good honest hard working people that want common sense and basic law to prevail and an end to the extreme leftist ideological policies forced down their throats by the democrats and bureaucracies controlling the swamp. Call them MAGA or whatever but they are the silent majority who voted Trump and GOP that simply had enough. Mostly centrist independent and some moderate democrats that understand how absurd and out of touch the democrats have become.

    1. MWAocdoc   4 months ago

      Yeah, it's just too bad that their emotional response alternative isn't any better than the socialist democrats' ideology. The pendulum swings too far to the left causing death and destruction, so they made it swing too far to the right causing even more death and destruction, when they should have swung the pendulum way over in the smaller less powerful government direction.

      1. epsilon given   4 months ago

        Last I checked, President Trump has been called "authortarian" and a "king" and a "fascist" because he's cutting government right now.

        Granted, he's not cutting as fast as he needs, but it's funny to see you complain that "we're swinging too far to the right causing even more death and destruction" and ignoring the swing towards a smaller less powerful government direction going on right now.

        1. MWAocdoc   4 months ago

          Is your world-view so simplistic that you can't grasp that his authoritarianism in the smaller government direction - which so far has been microscopic - can at the same time be massive in the more spending, kick the rest of the world's ass, use the power of government to smite his personal enemies and implement xenophobia directions? Also, while we're on the topic, why do you think what socialists call him matters?

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            I don't know how simplistic I am -- I just know that President Trump is doing more to cut back government than any other in the past three decades or so, if not four.

            Is your world-view so myopic that you didn't notice the significant weakening of Democrats and their ability to protest and the significant disappearance of racist "right wingers" online (for three or so months, at least) when President Trump cut USAID and NGOs out of the loop of Federal money?

            And is your world-view so simplistic that you can't grasp that the world has been growing more authoritarian and thus deserves a good kick or two in the derrière; that between four years of lawfare and bags of emails coordinating efforts to undermine a President, President Trump has been handed the precedent, the cannons, and the ammunition to go after his personal enemies by his enemies themselves --and they absolutely deserve it; and that maybe we need to implement a bit of xenophobia because Pretendent Biden (in concert with Western leaders around the world) has both abused the asylum system and ignored the border so much, flooding the US with unvetted immigrants who have absolutely no value in liberty, no interest in continuing and building on our culture, and have no business being here (other than the Democrat business of trying to flood American culture with anti-Americans willing to vote for them)?

            Also, why do you think I care what socialists call President Trump? I'm mostly amused that after many years of pushing authoritarianism, establishing fascism in America and abroad, and trying to become kings themselves, socialists are suddenly troubled when someone they don't like is doing a fraction of what they've done over the years. And I'm also amused by how much they are now ignored, having bleated "fascist!" and "Nazi!" and "king!" at pretty much anything on the Republican side of the aisle that moves, no one has any reason to believe them.

  10. MWAocdoc   4 months ago

    Despite the critical tone of the article, there is a certain amount of revisionism here. This is not about believing the experts concerning the official COVID response. Pandemic epidemiology experts and public health officials almost unanimously recommended in almost every official pandemic response plan around the world for over a century against lockdowns. They saw the massive failure of such sweeping interventions during the 1918-1920 Spanish flu pandemic and observed the huge social and economic toll lockdowns inflicted on societies despite failing to control the pandemic itself. What happened during the early phases of COVID was a combination of some legitimate official panic and power-seeking opportunism among other officials leading to ignoring the expert opinion of a century and throwing out the official response plans. Fauci and his thugs pressured a few well-known scientists against their better judgment into supporting the party line and, as usual, it took a while for the truth to get on its boots in Great Barrington.

    1. charliehall   4 months ago

      Lack of adherence did us in in 1918 as it did in 2020.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/breaking-point-anti-lockdown-efforts-during-spanish-flu-offer-cautionary-n1202111

      There is no freedom when you are dead.

      1. epsilon given   4 months ago

        Could you please link to another source? I have a difficult time believing a "news organization" that tried to insist videos showing Pretendent Biden's mental decline were "cheap fakes".

        What good is a Press if all it's going to do is lie all the time?

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

        LOL, no, chuckles. The same measures were done in 1918 as in 2020.

  11. mad.casual   4 months ago

    March 2020 was a different story—a time when lockdown critics were vilified in the media (article from March 2023), censored by social media companies (article from January 2023), denounced by political leaders (article from December 2021), and threatened with cancellation

    The "New Right" (an eclectic term that nobody just totally made up and can't define) are trying to perpetrate some sort of false narrative or revisionist history you say?

    At least they're competent, I suppose.

  12. Super Scary   4 months ago

    I've never even heard of this Yarvin guy, much less what he thought about the lockdowns. If he supported them, he was wrong. Trying to label him the "leader" of anything is laughable.

  13. Use the Schwartz   4 months ago

    Suppose for a moment; what if they changed their minds?

    I know it sounds crazy, but I changed my mind about a lot of the C19 "recommendations" that I was fed, and believed.

    So stretch your imagination, just a tiny bit, and suppose that they changed their minds?

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

      So, your allies are permitted to change their minds in good faith. But everyone else, they are not - if they "change their minds", they are insincere, swaying with the winds of popular opinion, craven, lacking in principle, etc.

      If it wasn't for double standards you all would have no standards at all.

      1. Use the Schwartz   4 months ago

        "So, your allies are permitted to change their minds in good faith. But everyone else, they are not."

        Look how stupid you are.

        I've been accused multiple times by multiple Reasonistas of being a leftist/democrat/progressive/commie. So now, because I wrote something you don't like I'm now a crypto-conservative/fascist/New Right?

        Fuck you and your tiny mind.

      2. DesigNate   4 months ago

        You might not want to cast rocks Mr. Glass House.

      3. epsilon given   4 months ago

        Have Democrats changed their minds on these issues yet? Or are they still insisting they did the right things?

        Because if a Democrat has sincerely changed their mind on this topic, good for them, it's about time! But I see no evidence that Democrats as a whole have changed their minds on these issues, which is a big deal when you want everyone to come around, and Republicans are the only ones who are doing it.

    2. MWAocdoc   4 months ago

      What never changed was that government should never have been allowed to dictate anything at all concerning the response to a new pandemic virus. It's possible to be right or wrong about an opinion and then change your opinion. But what should never happen is that random government officials should have the authority or the power to impose opinions on the rest of us - EVER!

      1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

        DeSantis shut schools down for weeks because of inclement weather. Oops.

        Also, everyone got Covid…so an experimental lab developed virus was going to enter your body irrespective of getting vaccinated.

        1. epsilon given   4 months ago

          But we now know a whole lot of people got Covid after getting the so-called "vaccine". If the "vaccine" isn't going to stop you from getting Covid, and everyone was going to get Covid anyway, then what's the point of taking an experimental vaccine that we now know doesn't even work?

          1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

            The vaccine mitigated severity. So the safest plan was delay spread until the vaccine was available and then get vaccinated and boosted. So in the southeast during the Delta death surge the median age of Covid death declined because the older Floridians got vaccinated before Republicans politicized it. What’s hilarious is DeSantis and Lapado made ivermectin easily accessible and prescription skyrocketed and it made zero difference. So people put a medication into their bodies that was worthless with respect to Covid but refused to take the medication that actually worked!! Hilarious…other than all of the deaths but I just see it as getting Darwinned out of existence like what happened to Ashtray Babbitt! 😉

            1. epsilon given   4 months ago

              Did it really decrease severity? Aren't all the studies you point to to "prove" this produced by the same "experts" who lied to us over over again? And that, just by judging the side you are defending, I can dismiss every word you stutter as a lie, because of all the deliberate lies this side told us, both about Covid, and about so many other things besides?

              And in determining the "safest" plan, in particular, did anyone factor in the increased deaths from canceled and postponed cancer screenings, the suicides from businesses and livelihoods lost, the setbacks of millions of children in their educations, the early deaths of many of the elderly who died from loneliness, and many other harmful effects of Covid policy?

              I'm not surprised to see you celebrating the "Darwinning" of people. Your thought patterns fit perfectly with the American Progressives, the Nazis, the Communists, and everyone else who thinks that because they are "experts", they can make better judgments of how everyone should live even despite the fact that the individuals they seek to guide know far more about their individual situations than any "expert" could possibly know -- and that, if they could just "Darwin" enough people, they could finally lead the Human Race to perfection.

              1. charliehall   4 months ago

                I do not celebrate the fact that COVID proved Darwin right. Arizona has a Democratic Attorney General today because too many Republicans listened to her anti-vax predecessor and disproportionately died. Killing off your voters is bad campaign strategy.

                1. epsilon given   4 months ago

                  Did it, though? How many people have died, and are dying now, because we don't know the long-term effects of an experimental vaccine rushed through an abbreviated approval process?

                  It's hard to say, in no small part because of government and social media censorship of questioning anything about these vaccines. If they're so safe and effective, why the censorship and the lies?

                  We don't know the answers to any of this, so it's a bit premature to say people are being "Darwined" -- and what's worse, both the infection and the vaccine, to the degree they are harmful, will likely have no effect on our collective genome, so to suggest this is "evolution in action" is questionable at best.

                  And, finally, I was going to suggest that Governor Cuomo and other Democrat governors killed more people, and more of their voters, directly by ordering Covid patients into nursing homes -- the places with the most vulnerable population to Covid -- but then, I remembered we're talking about New York and other Democrat-tainted States, so this action very likely just switched the votes who died from "largely Democrat" to "100% Democrat from here on out!"

                  PS, your statistics are as believable as the statistics provided by Sam Bankmann-Fried -- you are defending the side that has clearly gaslit America for four years, and now you're spouting out "facts" expecting them to be taken at face value.

                  IDK, maybe you guys are telling the truth, maybe even just in part. But it's going to take years to sort out what's true or not, and in the meantime, you guys don't get the benefit of the doubt.

            2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

              The vaccine mitigated severity

              No, it didn't do that either. And that was the post facto excuse given when the vaccine did not, in fact, stop people from getting COVID.

        2. charliehall   4 months ago

          I still have never contracted COVID.

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            Sure, and Pretendent Biden is "sharp as a tack".

  14. Jim Conley   4 months ago

    Content creators gonna create content. Moldbug appears to be the only one still churning out garbage opinions as late as early- April. In between he's largely talking his book. I never much cared what Cernovich has to say about anything. Bannon and Posobiec favoring banning travel from Asia, in January no less, doesn't seem like an overreaction at the time except maybe to Reason's "come on in all wretched refuse, don't forget to sign up for welfare benefits ".

    Magness is tooting his horn about what he did in late April. What was the "New Right" saying then? FWIW, I rejected the "wet market" origin "theory" as racist yellow peril Sino-phobic disinformation immediately and was split 90-10 between Western government subsidized lab accident and a US bio-warfare attack. I spent the March "lockdown" practicing Mithradatism through deliberate daily exposure to the public at multiple grocery stores and was back at work the first week of April in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and Northern Wisconsin. I was very pleased to see the good people of the UP going mask-less and acting as if nothing was happening (there were almost no cases up there) and none of Gov. Whitmer's authoritarian policies were implemented or followed.

    1. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

      Everyone got Covid…the key was taking advantage of slow spread to get vaccinated. So Hawaii has the lowest Covid death rate even though everyone in Hawaii got Covid.

      1. JohnZ   4 months ago

        Not true at all. I never got itas well as lots of people never contracted the Covid but I'll tell you who did and that were those who stupidly and blindly obeyed to get vaxxed. Many contracted the couff two and three times.
        Now Myocarditis is spreading among the vaxxed as well as turbo cancers, miscarriages and still born.
        Looks like the vaxx is a great success.

        1. charliehall   4 months ago

          I have not gotten COVID or myocarditis or any cancers, none of which are caused by the COVID vaccines, of which I have had 12 doses.

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            If the Covid vaccines are so effective, why in the world did you need 12 doses?!?

            For the vast majority of vaccines, one or two doses are enough -- and those that require boosters require them only every 5 to 10 years.

          2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

            So you admit you are a fool and try to take credit for and receive accolades for being a fool?

  15. Marshal   4 months ago

    In a January 2020 podcast, he broadcast apocalyptic warnings about a new virus from China along with guest Jack Posobiec, another New Right journalist attached to the MAGA movement. Bannon and Posobiec called for the implementation of travel bans from Asia and layered their discussion of the virus in apocalyptic hype.

    I'd like to see a similar analysis of Dem position changes. At this time Nancy Pelosi and Bill DeBlasio were encouraging Americans to hug returning Chinese travelers at their Chinese New Year celebrations, calling those who didn't racist. A month later Dems held an emergency weekend summit to address Covid at which they completely changed their policies and tone, maximizing their hysteria and urging total economic shut downs which then began shortly thereafter.

    The flop was partially to excise the public memory of their earlier actions (which seems largely successful since no media figure has mentioned it publicly since the early covid days) and partially because the resulting economic damage would deny Trump his most compelling re-election argument of a strong economy.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

      Yeah the absurd months and years long lockdowns were designed to take out Trump.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

        It seems plausible the amount of enemies foreign and domestic who were broken by Trump got together to use Covid to remove Trump.

        Trump cancelled, how much, $500 billion promised to China by Obama? Trump completely shut down Iran's income and thwarted their ability to enact terror.

        And of course the economy doing very well typically re elects the party in charge, democrats outlook was very bleak until December 2019.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

          Bill Gates and the WEF coordinated a mass pandemic exercise in late 2019 that Klaus Schwab was VERY excited about. If anything, if it really was a psyop it started there, not with China or Iran. Because the sudden, Operation Mockingbird-like narratives in mid-2020 about "building back better" all point back to him.

        2. Juliana Frink   4 months ago

          "It seems plausible the amount of enemies foreign and domestic who were broken by Trump got together to use Covid to remove Trump."

          Of course it does.

          "Bill Gates and the WEF coordinated a mass pandemic exercise in late 2019..."

          I got COVID in late 2019. November, to be exact, in rural Georgia.

          Next up we have an election that appears stolen, and a suspiciously coordinated Reichstag Fire event on J6. But let's not ask any questions because...? And let's attack anyone who does, because...?

          FFS is anybody really that blind? No.

      2. JohnZ   4 months ago

        As much as they were designed to be used when the next manufactured crisis comes along.
        It was a preview of things to come.

        1. Ersatz   4 months ago

          And the public compliance with authority figures will be largely the same (unfortunately) because fear of the unknow that might kill you regardless of the probability trumps reason. Climate change turned out to be a dud when it came to enabling the restructuring of world wide governments to an authoritarian model... suspending rights for the sake of centralized management. But they found the one thing that will motivate everyone - posit an immediate possibly fatal threat to everyone ... get your craven govt (the Science) hacks to sign off on it... and voila'! you get a majority of wine-moms et all to support you no matter what... and afterwards - amnesty!

          1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

            No if another virus comes along people will not be so easy to rush to compliance.

            There will be no empty beaches, masks or lockdowns. People will not comply.

    2. Rick James   4 months ago

      It's not about shifting positions. Positions shifted during COVID. Most reasonable people agree that in the first couple of months, the data was simply not there, and I have no problem with being cautious about a novel disease you don't know anything about. But Magness is a fucking retard. He's completely uninformed about HOW Trump changed his position and why, and how the left changed its position and why. Trump and "maga" changed positions because of the cold, hard, rock-bottomed and copper-sheathed reality of COVID, the left changed theirs base on religion.

      I mean for fuck sakes, masking literally was a talisman for the political spectrum that so many Reason dipshits strategically and reluctantly voted for.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

        Trump and "maga" changed positions because of the cold, hard, rock-bottomed and copper-sheathed reality of COVID

        No they didn't. Trump and MAGA changed positions because they hate the left more than they give a damn about disease prevention.

        Trump and MAGA are the ones who, to this day, insist that COVID is just a "bad flu" and is not as bad for you than the COVID vaccine. That is retarded and wrong.

        Further evidence of retardation:

        masking literally was a talisman

        That is a lie and you know it is a lie. Your team deliberately misrepresented the data on masking purely because you just didn't want to wear them, and damn the consequences to anyone else.

        For the record: the data on masking is that *ON AVERAGE*, if you include everyone wearing any kind of mask in any kind of situation, masking is not very effective. WELL DUH, you don't need a scientific study to figure that out. But the data also show that *IN SPECIFIC SITUATIONS*, such as in poorly ventilated areas, and with decent masks worn properly, masking can have some effect on reducing transmission of airborne diseases.

        Your team never properly represented this data because you didn't want to be seen as associated with "the left" by wearing a mask. It has absolutely nothing to do with the efficacy or lack thereof of masking.

        1. Rick James   4 months ago

          The largest randomized control study (the only kind worth doing for generalized masking) showed that 'traditional' medical masks were 11% effective, and cloth masks were 0% effective.

          Anthony Fauci wore a cloth mask for many of his public appearances over three years.

          Double masking was worthless.

          While the study didn't make a determination on n95 masks, media and newspapers spread misinformation about n95 masks continuously. N95 masks have three general properties which make them n95: The material used, the fitment and the fact that they are electrostatically charged. The moment that mask gets damp, the electrostatic charge is gone, and the only benefit you're getting is fitment-- but that alone isn't enough to stop a coronavirus. Newspapers telling you you can wear them in the rain and hang them on your doorknob to dry out were literally giving the public faulty advice.

          That's your team. You lost and you know it.

        2. JohnZ   4 months ago

          Masks were nothing more than a talisman. Might as well wear an onion or a bear tooth.
          The truth is, everything they told us was pure bull shit. A lie.
          Everything from the origin to masks, lockdowns, schools closings and the silliest and dumbest of all....social distancing....pulled directly out of the anus of Fauci himself.
          Virtually none of what we were told is true.
          Never, ever believe anything the government says!

        3. epsilon given   4 months ago

          Chemjeff, records of death by flu pretty much completely disappeared during the Covid years -- do you really expect us to believe that the flu viruses all disappeared during this time? Do you really expect us to believe that Covid wasn't comparable to a "bad flu" when Covid deaths during this year were pretty much on par with flu deaths from previous years?

          And how many of your policies to prevent Covid deaths caused people to die in higher numbers in other ways? My sister died of cancer during the Covid years -- what are the chances that she died because cancer screenings were canceled to "prevent the spread"?

          WHY DID YOU KILL MY SISTER, YOU FASCIST?!?

        4. charliehall   4 months ago

          'Trump and MAGA are the ones who, to this day, insist that COVID is just a "bad flu" and is not as bad for you than the COVID vaccine. That is retarded and wrong.'

          And the people who believed those lies died disproportionately. Darwin.

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            How do you square this claim with the transmission and risk profile of Covid that we got from the Princess Cruise ship, as described by Gaear Grimsrud in a later comment in this thread? And I quote:

            We had a valuable case study of this disease even before the lockdowns on a Princess Cruise ship. We knew the infection rate, vulnerable groups and eventually the IFR. Anybody that didn't know that and continued to advocate for lockdowns either wasn't paying attention or is a cynical attention seeking whore. That includes MAGA right new right and whatever else you want to call it. It also includes 100% of the left.

            And do you by any chance have the numbers, yet, of all the people who died, and an estimate of how many more will die, because we canceled cancer screenings, because of suicides, and because of loneliness, among other ways -- all caused by the lockdowns? Because if all those deaths are more than the accurately predicted deaths by Covid(a big if, because the predictions are based on computer models, which are based on guesswork), then wouldn't it be safe to conclude that maybe the reaction to Covid caused more harm than good?

            And finally, for all that talk about "people who believed those lies died disproportionately", could you guys please give it a rest? We know that the "data" we have is heavily tainted by all sorts of factors, we know that the flu magically disappeared during the Covid years (presumably the Covid virus made us temporarily immune to the flu? Or maybe the flu got conflated with Covid during those years ...), and we know that most of the people who provide us these studies have lied through their teeth on all sorts of issues -- and we are supposed to believe your claims that MAGA are "dying disproportionally"?

        5. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

          Still projecting the actions of the democrats upon the GOP when so much proof and evidence of the democrats being the perpetrators and gaslighting their followers into sheeple?

          You must be paid because you have been informed and no one carries your level of wilful ignorance for simple fun.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

        Your team didn't want to wear masks, for the exact same reason that your team doesn't want to drive electric cars, or use mass transit, or live in urban areas, or buy organic vegetables. Because everything is now a culture war issue, and you and your team have to virtue signal through your cultural choices that you are not "one of them".

        1. Marshal   4 months ago

          Your team didn't want to wear masks, for the exact same reason that your team doesn't want to drive electric cars, or use mass transit, or live in urban areas, or buy organic vegetables. Because everything is now a culture war issue,

          Your team made this a culture war issue because winning the political war was more important to them than effectively managing the pandemic.

        2. Zeb   4 months ago

          That's a load of shit. I know plenty of people who are no kind of right winger who didn't like to wear masks for various reasons. If people want to, fine. It became political when people tried to force them on everyone.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

            Oh there are plenty of narcissistic assholes out there. It is not exclusive to MAGA.

            How many of the people who railed against masks ever stopped to consider what it might be like to have to live through a pandemic with a compromised immune system? Or some other elevated risk factor? Answer: none. Because they don't give a shit.

            It is the difference between people who say "I will try to accommodate your special requirements", and the people who say "Your special needs have no business interfering with my daily life and you need to get out of my way".

            1. Marshal   4 months ago

              How many of the people who railed against masks ever stopped to consider what it might be like to have to live through a pandemic with a compromised immune system? Or some other elevated risk factor? Answer: none. Because they don't give a shit.

              I see Jeffey is mind reading again. It's amazing when he rips the mask off he shows his hatred for anyone not a leftist is entirely driven by his fantasies.

              It is the difference between people who say "I will try to accommodate your special requirements", and the people who say "Your special needs have no business interfering with my daily life and you need to get out of my way".

              Masks don't protect high-risk people. Jeffey pretends this because if true it would justify his hate. So he claims it.

              Left wingers don't care about reality, they care about justifying their hate. So they'll say anything which justifies that hate whether it is true or not.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

                Let me guess. Your recommendation to immunocompromised individuals is that they should stay home and let all the 'normal people' go out in public so as not to inconvenience the losers. Amirite?

                1. Marshal   4 months ago

                  It's outrageous the immunocompromised should stay home so instead everyone should stay home?

                  Maybe it sounded better in the original German. It's an odd belief but consistent with the left's principles that the same action is both our best solution and evil depending on whether their allies or their enemies are engaging in it.

                  1. Stuck in California   4 months ago

                    Are you people still arguing like masks were to protect OTHER people?

                    Masks never protected anyone but the wearer.

                    And the protection to the wearer was minimal, in certain circumstances, with procedures and fitment that are very stringent, but that's not what I'm talking about.

                    The best masks were NEVER designed to keep a virus in. Pretend they were, the only ones that did anything at all were N95, which require proper fit, proper procedures, only retain their efficacy for short periods, and are remarkably uncomfortable when worn properly. Literally nobody is going to wear one of those properly without rigorous training. Someone like me CANNOT wear one properly as I have a beard.

                    Stop letting the concern trolls pull you into the "it's to protect others" argument. That was the result of a bumper-sticker phrase from some private propaganda outfit called MAsks for All that got picked up and politicized because it sounded like "We're all in it together!" But there was, and is, no scientific backing to my mask protecting you.

                    Tl:DR STOP arguing with the trolls on this point. If you wanted to wear a mask, you were welcome to. If masks worked, then yours should have been good.

                2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

                  If you can die from walking outside, then don't walk outside. If you believe everyone else should also not walk outside because you can die, you are a fool. No more no less.

                3. Zeb   4 months ago

                  Yes, actually. It is not reasonable to demand that the great majority of people curtail their lives and normal activities for the sake of a small minority feeling (and not necessarily being) a little safer. People who think that all of society need to adapt to their special needs are the narcissists. And masks, the way people actually used them, don't do much if anything. It is not helpful to the most vulnerable to pretend that something works when it doesn't. That will only encourage them to expose themselves to extra risk if they are convinced that half-assed measures like paper or cloth masks actually make any significant difference.

            2. Michael Ejercito   4 months ago

              How many of the people who railed against masks ever stopped to consider what it might be like to have to live through a pandemic with a compromised immune system? Or some other elevated risk factor? Answer: none. Because they don't give a shit.
              Woodstock happened during a pandemic.

              No masks there.

            3. DesigNate   4 months ago

              “Oh there are plenty of narcissistic assholes out there. It is not exclusive to MAGA.”

              I’m really trying to stay civil here, but goddamn.

            4. charliehall   4 months ago

              My cousin was getting chemotherapy for breast cancer during COVID. She had to imprison herself in her house because of the uncaring inconsiderate fools like the people commenting here.

              Canada enforced stricter vaccination, masks, and travel rules. The result was a 60 percent lower death rate. That would have meant seven hundred thousand fewer dead Americans. The COVID disinformationists are basically mass murderers.

              1. epsilon given   4 months ago

                First off, your sister would have had to do that anyway, because it was flu season, and for those who are immuno-compromised, the flu is just as deadly as Covid. Heck, the common cold could be pretty deadly.

                Second, what happened to those cancer screenings? My sister was diagnosed with cancer during Covid, and she died a few months later. WHY DID YOU KILL MY SISTER, YOU MONSTER?!?

                Third, why should we believe your numbers at this point, when all the "experts" were lying to us the whole time? Do you call us mass murders so that you could hide your complicity in the lies, and your own mass murders?

                AGAIN, WHY DID YOU KILL MY SISTER, YOU MONSTER?!? AND WHY DID YOU KILL MILLIONS OF OTHERS IN THE NAME OF "SAVING LIVES" THROUGH LOCKDOWNS???

              2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

                You are a fucking loser asshole lying sack of shit.

                More travel occurred to and from Florida during the pandemic than anywhere else and their rates of death and infection were lower without locking down, without masking or vaccine mandates. And Florid also had more old folks than most anywhere else.

                And of course the truth is known that over 60% of the deaths attributed to Covid originally were falsely recorded and revised.

              3. Zeb   4 months ago

                That's good because if she had believed that everyone wearing masks would have made her significantly safer, she would have exposed herself to a lot more potential infections because the masks most people were actually using, and the way people used even potentially more effective masks, would not do much to protect her.

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 months ago

          “…. use mass transit, or live in urban areas.”

          Lol. You really think that’s a culture war issue? That we’re not doing these things because of what you think about them?

          Wow. Take a break, fattie. You’re losing it. How self important can you get? Lol.

          1. charliehall   4 months ago

            You just proved his point.

            1. epsilon given   4 months ago

              Could you kindly explain to me why it's so crucial for all of us to take public transportation, live in urban areas, and drive EVs, instead of trusting us to make the best decisions for our own lives, given our means and our situations?

              Because these ought to bepersonal decisions. Trying to force all these things on us, whether we like them or not, is what makes them political.

              PS, I can't afford to get an EV, and even if I could, it wouldn't do any good for visiting rural-living relatives (who have very good reasons for living rural), and I'm not going to take a bus to bring home groceries for a family of six -- nor do I like the significant delays (oooh, a 15 minute drive can become a 1-hour ordeal, or even longer if I miss a bus or miss a stop! -- and that's assuming buses sufficiently connect my starting point to my destination!)

              Why do you guys put so much effort into making our lives miserable?

        4. DesigNate   4 months ago

          I live in an urban area, have used mass transit in the past, and considered an EV for my business.

          But please, tell me why I think the way I do about any of those things (organic vegetables is an oxymoron and a scam so amazing I have to give the perpetrators of it props).

          Conservatives and conservative leaning “others” are reactionaries. They didn’t start the culture wars.

        5. JohnZ   4 months ago

          The absolute truth that you simply refuse to accept is that masks were useless and that even Fauci himself had stated as much.
          You are the one ignoring the truth.

        6. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

          LOL nice attempt to minimize common sense which you have none to a culture war issue? In your mind, are you one of the "educated geniuses" who knows better and should decide for everyone else?

      3. Marshal   4 months ago

        It's not about shifting positions.

        Of course it is. You can match whether the changing positions match the change in information, and you can note when the positions don't change despite changing information. You can note how the change in information was suppressed to justify not changing their position.

        There are all kinds of analyses which can identify reasonable vs unreasonable positions depending on when they are taken and to what extremes.

        1. Ersatz   4 months ago

          good point! but i fear only google will have hoovered up that kind of data on everyone as part of their 'dont be evil but make everyone's data ours' program.

    3. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

      Covid entered America via Europe.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

        What passed for your brain leaked out long ago.

  16. mad.casual   4 months ago

    Anybody else remember the whole "zoonotic origin science discussion among the adults in the room" vs. "lab-leak whacko conspiracy theory" debate?

    Imagine going back in time to Feb. or Mar. of *2020*, marching into the White House or to Glenn Greenwald or Bari Weiss or even Phillip Magness and telling them that Fauci violated Obama's ban on GOF and that he'd used Ecohealth Alliance to move the research to Wuhan and that the virus was *definitively* a leak from that facility. That no other theory was even remotely as plausible or as substantiated both directly and indirectly.

    Whether you do the big sigh before explaining that you're from the future and whipping out the time paradox diagrams or not, the good outcome is they tell you to fuck off. The bad outcome is you wind up within 100 yds. of someone more competent than Thomas Crooks.

    1. Rick James   4 months ago

      first Advisor: Mr. President, there's a track with an out of control mag-lev train that's going 900 miles per hour, we have to do something!

      Trump: That's dangerous... very very dangerous, we don't want any of those beautiful people killed by it, what should we do?

      first Advisor: We should shut down the entire city, stop people from even leaving their homes until we get this thing under control. 0 deaths should be the goal.

      Trump: Ok, I'll let you handle the guidance.

      *1 month later*

      New Advisor: Mr. Trump, we've looked at the tracks, and first of all, the tracks aren't for a mag-lev train, they appear to be normal tracks... that train can't possibly going 900 mph.

      Trump: Really, that's interesting, look into this further.

      *two months later* office of VP Pence:

      first Advisor: Mr. Vice President? Trump and his loyalists are undermining our guidance to governors and mayors. Can you help me go around them?

      Pence: Absolutely, do what you have to. In fact, take Air Force 2 and fly around the country getting your message out.

      *six months later*

      New Advisor: Mr. President, we've studied this further, it turns out they aren't even train tracks they're trolley tracks and we now think that at best, that train is going at most, 25 mph.

      Trump: That's concerning... we shut down the whole country over this?

      New advisor: Yes, Mr. President, I think we should open things back up, let the kids go to school, let local districts put in trolley gates where roads cross the tracks.

      Trump: I agree. I don't like what's happening with kids being locked in their homes.

      *8 months later*

      First advisor: *to assistant* Damnit, that new advisor is reading my reports and subverting them. But I noticed they're just skimming the reports, so instead of starting my report with "keep everything locked down" i'll throw in a bunch of gobbletygook and then in the middle of the 70000 page report, I'll say "keep everything locked down".

      *9 months later*

      New advisor: Mr. President, we've had a long time to study this train, and it now turns out they're not Trolley tracks, it's one of those big scale model trains that your retired grandpa builds. I believe they're known as 'G' scale.

      Trump: Terrible, terrible that we've locked the country down... terrible... I'm not locking down these beautiful people any more... we have to open things up. Oh, I forgot to ask, who built this g-scale train?

      New Advisor: We believe it was made in a factory in China.

      Trump: Interesting.

      First advisor: *sitting in office, reading latest white house briefing* Oh, get this, NOW that idiot president is claiming that the train was made in a factory in China! LOL. Lemme call my people at the New York Times and have them run a piece mocking this.

      Reason 2025: Trump supported the lockdowns and now he wants to erase history!

      1. mad.casual   4 months ago

        Trump: Ok, I'll let you handle the guidance.

        I forgot. This is Reason "Like a drunk friend in the back seat"
        Magazine.

        1. epsilon given   4 months ago

          It took me a little while to realize you were mocking a commenter here. I thought you were mocking Reason itself! (I should have known better -- I recognized your name, after all.)

          Every once in a while I come across an article on Reason that gives me pause, and almost, but not quite pushes me to believe that Reason is indeed a Libertarian magazine ... and not a front put up by Democrats to try to get liberty-minded Republicans to vote Libertarian, not vote at all, or best of all, to vote Democrat.

          This particular article is by no means one of those that almost causes me to reconsider. It's one of those that significantly cements my belief that Reason is run by Democrats, and not Libertarians.

          1. mad.casual   4 months ago

            It took me a little while to realize you were mocking a commenter here. I thought you were mocking Reason itself! (I should have known better -- I recognized your name, after all.)

            If the commenter is sarcasmic, both maybe.

    2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

      Local Doctor dies, 28. First to speak out about the virus publicly in China, dead within a few weeks.

      General and Head of Wuhan disappears after establishing a Covid 19 vaccine patent and then dies approximately 3 months later. Oddly being one of the most acclaimed and promoted figures in China his death was essentially unannounced and his obituary made him out as normal and unremarkable.

      Scientists escape and two end up in Australia where one comments on the Wuhan lab function, how the GOF happened and who was involved yet she was ignored.

      Prior to The China Virus GOF leap to infecting humans and being incubated and spread around the world after the lab leak, many articles were written about SARS CoronaVirus' which painted the virus in a good light. Even Eco Health wrote about how cool the virus was as it could be manipulated with vaccines, designed to target specific racial features and blood types, etc.

      Sadly the amount of proliferation of virology labs around the world is out of control.

    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      Bear in mind, former commenter Jerryskids flat-out stated in March or April of 2020 that people needed to take a look at the fact that there was a huge virology lab in Wuhan that just happened to study these kinds of viruses. The connection between them, Fauci, and EcoHealth Alliance hadn't been made yet, but once that started coming out, it's notable that the restrictions went in to turbo-mode in short order.

  17. awildseaking   4 months ago

    Actually a pathetic article.

    I initially supported restrictions as they were implemented in the early months of 2020. I didn't know any better. It wasn't a political decision. Everyone assumed the worst. I saw footage from China and I had no reason to believe that the temporary lockdowns wouldn't be temporary.

    A lot of these new/alt/whatever you want to call them right types are grifters IMO, but the notion that they are somehow contradicting themselves for having viewpoints that nearly everyone shared at the time is complete bullshit. Shame on you.

    1. Rick James   4 months ago

      Watch the doc I posted below. It should be put in your permanent never-forget playlist vault on COVID.

      I've already given my mea culpa on COVID. I supported two-weeks-to-flatten-the-curve. I was cautious about going out, and I even remember rinsing my groceries in the first few weeks. It wasn't until shortly after the vaccine came out that I began to realize something wasn't right. I got my first COVID vaccine as soon as I could because living in Seattle, I can tell you that the mood and goldfish water you were swimming in was "get your vaccine and then you can return to normal". After I got my vaccine and things not only didn't return to normal, but locked down harder, and in addition, the people who were vaccinated were increasingly fearful of the unvaccinated. I kept saying to myself, "I'm no scientist but, when I got my polio vaccine, I wasn't terrified of the unvaccinated-- there's a game being played here."

      The only thing I was honestly skeptical of from day one was masking, and I turned out to be 956% correct on that. And even IF masks with very careful and proper use, and only with the CORRECT mask (not the mask Anthony Fauci wore on the nightly news for 4 years) made a tiny (11% reduction, according to the only randomized control study done on Masking) difference, the way people were masking was so retarded, it makes Reason's "C'mon man, masks aren't mere talismans" stance all the more laughable.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

        Fauci at first citing his study on masking and the resulting theory they were not helpful against a virus such as Covid.

        Was it the next day he came out with his contradictions on masks?

        And then he went to great lengths and pushed the wet market Eco Health Alliance story?

        1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   4 months ago

          Masks were purely performative. Fauci would were one when until he thought the cameras had stopped rolling.

          1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

            My question is who got to him mere moments after announcing publicly that masks would not do anything against Covid and citing his study? This is the person who needs to be charged for the harm caused by the reaction and resulting actions.

  18. Rick James   4 months ago

    Resistance to the COVID-era lockdowns occupies a central place in the political identity of the New Right—the eclectic group of national conservatives, postliberals, populists, and neoreactionaries at the ideological core of the MAGA coalition. Ironically, it was President Donald Trump who enabled lockdowns by proclaiming a national emergency in March 2020 and appointed Anthony Fauci to lead his administration's pandemic response efforts. And yet the New Right has opted to look past these contradictions.

    Well this is some fine cherry-picked revisionist horseshit. Here's an actual evidence-based short-doc on the timeline of Trump's decisions, how they were made, how Trump turned against them, and who undermined him.

    1. Rick James   4 months ago

      Names, dates, who's who, where they came from, when they got there, what their background was, how the decisions were made. 24 minutes. Re-fucking-quired viewing.

      1. Rick James   4 months ago

        And fuck Mike Pence.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

          With MG's dick.

    2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

      LOL more "deep state caused Trump to impose lockdowns!" nonsense.

      Why is it that Trump is NEVER EVER EVER held responsible for his own decisions?

      If "Trump got rolled by the deep state", why is the same grace never offered to, say, Cuomo in New York or Newsom in California? Oh, I know why.

      You are a pathetic weak-minded little man whose brain is filled with paranoid garbage told to you by hustlers who tell you what you want to hear.

      1. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

        Are you that stunned to not realize your own words? You think Cuomo was rolled or did he roll himself while killing grandmas?

        You think Newsome was rolled while sitting in the french laundry handing out millions of lockdown money to companies that never locked down wineries etc, who actually increased production and hired more employees while ensuring white small business owners never got the relief funds?

      2. Rick James   4 months ago

        You lost, and everything you believed about COVID was wrong. Admit it, there's more dignity in it. You were wrong about death rates, you were wrong about the effectiveness of masking, what type of masks, the effectiveness of lockdowns.... everything. All while screeching "trust the science!".

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

          WE ALL LOST. You just "think" that you won. We are now just waiting for the next polio outbreak or maybe even smallpox, or - heaven forfend - some new illness which is far worse. You took all of modern medicine and public health advancements for granted and decided to throw them all away because masks are icky. What did you expect would be the result? What will you say to the next polio victim who didn't get immunized because his/her parents thought vaccines cause halitosis? You unraveled all of this because you couldn't be bothered to be inconvenienced.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

            Shove your bullshit up your ass next to your head, fat boy. Your side and its retardation crippled the country so bad for two years that it helped put Trump back in office.

            Never fucking cite "experts" ever again. You have zero credibility. Nothing you claim should be taken at face value. And it's all your fault.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

              Yeah, those stupid "experts" who say things like "disease is caused by microorganisms and viruses, not by spirits or wrathful deities". Fuck them all. If only more people prayed harder, COVID would never have happened!

              Asshole.

              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

                Those "experts" changed narratives on a dime for the convenience of the moment. Fuck them all is exactly right. And fuck you especially for insisting they did nothing wrong.

                Asshole.

              2. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

                you are a fucking idiot

              3. epsilon given   4 months ago

                Chemjeff, the "experts" have tarnished their reputation so much, I have to remind myself that sometimes they still say things that are true. Thus, when I hear from the CDC that germs are real and I need to wash my hands, I have to remind myself that I have done my own studying and research, I have seen germs through a microscope with my own eyes, and I have seen the results of experiments that demonstrate that germs really exist. (One experiment was something I wouldn't be able to easily duplicate, because it was my biology teacher's experiment that he had been conducting for 20 years and counting.)

                When CDC "experts" tell me that masking up isn't effective in one tweet, and then in another tweet they say "Just kidding! Everyone needs to mask up!" and then, in an interview, said "Oh, we told people masks didn't work so we could make sure there were enough for medical personnel" -- it's really hard to trust them!

                If masks really did work but there really was a shortage of masks, the CDC should have trusted us, and said "sorry, masks work, but we need them for emergency personnel" and should have trusted us to do the right thing. But they didn't trust me, so I refuse to trust them -- and they have proven several times over since then that they are untrustworthy.

                But I'm sure you're going to assure us that the very selfish jerks who refuse to wear their masks because of "freedom" and "who cares if grandma dies" would have gone and bought up all the masks had the CDC announced "they're effective, but needed elsewhere" because of "freedom" and "who cares if medical personnel die, my life is more valuable".

                If you try to manipulate certain people, they aren't going to take it lightly -- and at some point, they aren't going to believe you, even if you are right. You can only cry "wolf, wolf" without an actual wolf so many times before people learn to just tune you out!

          2. Michael Ejercito   4 months ago

            Why were there no masks during the swine flu pandemic?

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

          And before you try to claim that the real problem was the mandates.... let the record show that your team was objecting to masks even before anyone had mandated their use. "Masks are a tool of social control", remember that? It was always that your team would never accept any inconvenience in their lives even if purely voluntary.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

            And before you try to claim that the real problem was the mandates.... let the record show that your team was objecting to masks even before anyone had mandated their use

            Yeah, you fat fuck, because studies going back fucking DECADES to the 1918 pandemic showed they didn't prevent the mass spread of viruses. The sudden 180 flip was fucking obvious, you're just pissed that not everyone uncritically went along with whatever at-the-moment bullshit your supposed "experts" were spewing.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

              Yeah they do. Masks just don't prevent the spread of airborne disease for EVERY type of masks under ANY condition. Duh.

              You all took the exception and tried to make it the rule. Because you all honestly don't give a shit.

              1. Marshal   4 months ago

                Not only is Jeffey lying but the fact that masks don't work was widely publicized at the beginning of the pandemic. See when the truth helped the left they stated the truth. Then when the truth didn't help because their priority was demonizing those they hate they lied.

                Their change of position exactly matched their political desires but the available information did not change at all. So we had a real world test of what drove the pandemic recommendations, and all with Jeffey's full support.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

                  Masks DO work, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS. That is the point. You all tried to take the general case and pretend that it applies to every specific case. That is false.

                  The claim "masks don't work" was not "widely publicized" except in your circles.

                  1. Marshal   4 months ago

                    Masks DO work, DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS.

                    Again, this is a lie. The conditions masks are effective were not possible because they include maintaining a decontaminated environment and using masks not available to everyone. This is very difficult even in a controlled facility like a hospital, it's impossible across the planet.

                    Jeffey, as always, makes his assertions solely based on his pathological need to claim those he hates are evil.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

                      Not a lie. As I said: DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS.

                      You are so insistent on destroying any opposition to your narrative that you will argue against obvious facts to do so.

                      And no, it is not just "hospital-like conditions" in which masks are effective. They are effective (meaning: better than not wearing a mask) in poorly ventilated places where there are lots of people. Not just in hospitals. And when the masks are better than just cloth rags covering the mouth.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

                      Why don't you tell us what you think about 'experts' who say things like 'wash your hands in order to avoid spreading disease'. Are they just assholes to be ignored?

                    3. Marshal   4 months ago

                      As I said: DEPENDING ON THE CONDITIONS.

                      Right. And since those conditions were impossible masks would never have worked. The CDC admitted this openly when they urged people not to use the scarce N95 masks in casual settings since they would not help anyway.

                      So we ended up with idiotic cloth-mask theater specifically so leftists could claim their enemies were killing grandma. They really are despicable people.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

                      And since those conditions were impossible

                      The conditions were not "impossible". They were simply "not typical". Meaning, poorly ventilated places with many people.

                      What is your end goal here? What do you hope to prove by arguing against this?

                      The CDC admitted this openly when they urged people not to use the scarce N95 masks in casual settings since they would not help anyway.

                      Not true. Initially they urged people not to use scarce N95 masks not because they thought they wouldn't help, but because they wanted the N95 masks to be used by first responders.

                    5. Marshal   4 months ago

                      Why don't you tell us what you think about 'experts' who say things like 'wash your hands in order to avoid spreading disease'. Are they just assholes to be ignored?

                      It's kind of funny Jeffey is so impervious to reality, literally everything about this is wrong. The CDC said masks don't work and he is now claiming that if hand-washing helps masks must also?

                      Comically bizarre.

                    6. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

                      Marshal is an asshole who is going to argue against anything I write, no matter how correct it is.

                    7. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

                      The CDC said masks don't work and he is now claiming that if hand-washing helps masks must also?

                      Nope - never claimed anything of the sort. You are just knee-jerk going to object to anything I say.

                    8. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

                      Marshal is an asshole who is going to argue against anything I write, no matter how correct it is.

                      chemtard is a fat status quo defender who never argues anything that is correct. He does like flashing his junk at kids from the window of his house, though.

                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

                    The claim "masks don't work" was not "widely publicized" except in your circles.

                    The New England Journal of Medicine released an article in early April 2020 stating that masks have never prevented the mass spread of airborne illnesses. When that statement started getting passed around as governments were mandating mask wear, they immediately deviated from that statement.

                    Not because of "the science." Because that's what they were being told to do.

                    Doctors who stated that people shouldn't get together in mass gatherings did a 180 in June 2020 stating that people should get together at the Fentanyl Floyd riots because it would benefit their health.

                    Not because of "the science." Because that's what they were being told to do.

                    The "experts" have no credibility.

                  3. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

                    Cloth masks do fucking nothing. NOTHING, but reduce the bodies ability to remove CO2, the function of breathing.

                    And Fauci cite his study that proved N95 masks would not stop Covid because the virus would still get through.

          2. epsilon given   4 months ago

            Let the record show? It shows that the Covid Lockdown Monsters lied through their teeth about pretty much everything, and that your own records are written in crayon, and read like the fevered dreams of a madman.

            You guys -- Democrats and the Main Stream Media in particular -- have a very long road to travel before anyone with sense can have any confidence in what you say.

          3. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

            Hey fool, Fauci initially came out saying masks would do nothing to fight against Covid and citing studies he performed that took years to complete.

            Then the next day he changed his stance. Who got to him? This is the devil who needs to be brought into the sunlight? This person who made Fauci change his stance and begin lying over and over and over is who the spotlight should be shone upon and charged for the harm caused.

        3. JohnZ   4 months ago

          "I AM THE SCIENCE!"
          "The science is settled"!
          Anthony Fauci

      3. epsilon given   4 months ago

        Why is President Trump supposed to be the only one to be held responsible? We have 50 Governors -- do they only function as robots to be programmed by the President, or are they free agents who could act according to the degree they accept and reject, in whole or in part, President Trump's advice?

        Last I checked, Governors were supposed to be a check against the President when the President was wrong. Did I miss a Supreme Court decision that changed this, and made President Trump the de-facto Governor of each of the 50 States?

        And if President Trump is the be-all and end-all of the Covid response, shouldn't the Governors who rejected President Trump's suggestions -- often to the detriment of their States -- be held responsible for their own decisions?

        Regardless of how you slice it, though, Governor Cuomo in particular deserves to have his feet held to the fire. Heck, he deserves to have his feet cut off and lobbed into the fire, and then have six-inch bits lobbed off and thrown into the fire until there's nothing left: he deliberately put Covid patients in nursing home, even though President Trump provided a portable hospital for Covid patients, and even though it was already well-known that the elderly are susceptible to Covid.

        Why are you so quick to deflect the blame from Governor Cuomo and attach it to President Trump, Chemjeff?

  19. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

    We had a valuable case study of this disease even before the lockdowns on a Princess Cruise ship. We knew the infection rate, vulnerable groups and eventually the IFR. Anybody that didn't know that and continued to advocate for lockdowns either wasn't paying attention or is a cynical attention seeking whore. That includes MAGA right new right and whatever else you want to call it. It also includes 100% of the left. Trump got rolled by cynical assholes like Fauci and Birx and it ended very badly. I'm just a guy with a laptop and a little bit of common sense and this was obviously bullshit to me. I forgive no one who supported this tyranny regardless of party or political philosophy. But as long as we're pointing fingers here the biggest betrayal of liberty was right here at the purportedly libertarian outlet Reason. You are also not forgiven.

    1. mad.casual   4 months ago

      Even without the Diamond Princess, it was repeatedly explained that a lockdown isn't a quarantine and anything beyond about two weeks would be a farce.

      That if the virus actually is killing 10% or 20% or more of the people who are contracting it, letting 200 people into the grocery store at a time and passing change and savings cards back and forth under the impromptu sneeze guards isn't going to cut it.

      The 6 ft. of separation without the slightest indication or consideration of air flow or mixing was prima fauci bullshit.

      Remember when nobody had any idea that we touched our face an average of 7 times a minute for God knows how long, but simply telling people that they do it and they need to stop was going to end the pandemic? Sure, it took more than 50 yrs. of telling smokers "You know that's killing you, right?" to their faces and we're still morbidly obese and those are both conscious activities but we'll nip this ten-thousand-year-old subconscious grooming tick in the bud in the next two weeks!

    2. MasterThief   4 months ago

      I was fine with the 2 week pause (that had no legal weight) because there was a small chance of containment and gaining some valuable information. Beyond that pretty much all of covid was driven by unscientific fearmongering.

  20. Dillinger   4 months ago

    nice of you to group those morons in one pic it will only take one post to tell them all go away.

  21. Uncle Jay   4 months ago

    "The Anti-Lockdown Imposters of the New Right."

    Good point.
    I forgot how adamant the left was against the lockdowns during the fake COVID "crisis."
    Keep up the good work, Magness.
    With articles like this, you'll be working for The Babylon Bee or The Onion in no time.

    1. mad.casual   4 months ago

      Honestly, I can't believe this is being re-litigated or undergoing revisionist narration this late in history.

      It's *known* that Fauci and the Biden Administration leaned on social media to cover up the spending that violated their own previous administration's law that conducted the research with an adversarial foreign power that led to the deaths of millions domestically and worldwide.

      Edward Snowden lives in an international zone in perpetuity for incredibly, incredibly less. Nixon looks like a chump compared to this blatantly oppressive and systematic authoritarianism. Bush's indiscretions in Gulf War II were less authoritarian and oppressive.

      The world would be far better off, less divided, misinformed, and oppressed, if every writer like Magness kept a revolver with one bullet by their keyboard and put it to their head and pulled the trigger every time they published an article trying to impugn people 6-degrees away from and no direct knowledge of the actual COVID conspiracy without also openly and factually impugning the people who perpetrated it.

    2. Ersatz   4 months ago

      The Onion is not worthy to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Babylon Bee

  22. JohnZ   4 months ago

    Anthony Fauci is the 21st Century Josef Mengele. He deserves a trial in an international court much like the Nuremberg trials and given the same sentence they gave Mengele.
    Fauci is a lair, fraud, a narcissist and possible psychopath. He is a monster as well, the CDC needs to be shut down entirely.
    The damage caused by that beast of a man will last for a long time.
    F***Fauci and the horse he rode in on.
    RFK Jr. is right on and you should see how he bitch slapped those democrats yesterday when they thought they could take him down. Just the opposite happened and Senator Pocahontas and Bolshevik Bernie looked like the fools they are.
    Way to go Bobby!

  23. Moonrocks   4 months ago

    Is this going to be a trend? People who were avid lockdowners five, four, even three years ago are now using that as an epithet against people that were far less enthusiastic about or outright opposed to lockdowns because they were allegedly not vocal enough about their opposition to lockdowns. I expect to see, for example, lockdown-related accusations of fascism against Ron DeSantis in the next couple of months from the exact same people that were calling him a mass murder for not locking down Florida hard enough.

    1. Ersatz   4 months ago

      Its a clickbait strategy - they know that the majority of commenters and readers trend to the normal and personal liberty side of things - which correlates far more strongly with conservatism and even MAGA than it does democrats and progressives - so it will trigger them to click on the link to refute or to engage their outrage gland.

  24. Michael Ejercito   4 months ago

    First of all, I never heard of the people of this article.

    Second of all, here was the turning point.

    https://ethicsalarms.com/2020/06/08/oh-no-its-monday-ethics-review-6-8-2020-a-yoos-rationalization-orgy/

    However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators’ ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders. Those actions not only oppose public health interventions, but are also rooted in white nationalism and run contrary to respect for Black lives. Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.

  25. Thoritsu   4 months ago

    Was it ever possible to say less with more words ?

  26. TJJ2000   4 months ago

    YES. Trump handled COVID really badly.
    The only thing worse was Democrats and the Left.

  27. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

    Let's just review.

    The people who objected to masks, were objecting long before any authority mandated them. It was never about the coercion or the mandates. It was ALWAYS about just not being inconvenienced.

    If you want to live in the wilderness and never have to encounter another human being, fine. You get to do whatever you want. But if you want to live among other human beings, you ought to have a **MORAL** obligation to live decently among fellow human beings. That includes not being a narcissistic asshole when you are out in public. Because you don't know who it is that you are encountering in public. Is it a cancer survivor who is immunocompromised? Is it an elderly person who is especially susceptible to becoming infected with COVID? Is it a single parent who is struggling to put food on the table and really can't afford to get sick for the sake of his/her family? If your knee-jerk response is to say "all of THOSE people should stay home so that **I** can walk around in public without having to bother with their petty concerns" then you don't deserve to belong in society. You're a misanthrope who should be relegated to some cave in the mountains.

    There is no sustainable system of governance where everyone acts like narcissistic assholes and there is zero appreciation of any concept of the common good.

    1. Marc St. Stephen   4 months ago

      People who objected to wearing masks objected to themselves being forced to wear a mask. They didn't give a crap if others wanted to wear a mask, though it was kinda hincky those who appeared to be fully able-bodied and still wore masks everywhere - especially the person driving in their car alone wearing a mask. There is a reason why mask wearing came to be known as donning an obedience mask, and it was these individuals, some to this day, still having a often filthy-looking mask at least hang on their chin doing nothing but virtue signaling.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   4 months ago

        People who objected to wearing masks objected to themselves being forced to wear a mask.

        Some did. Many others did not. They objected to masks, whether or not they were required.

        I will sometimes still see people wearing masks in public. I don't judge them or think negatively of them. Instead, I think that they probably have a good reason to wear a mask. Maybe they have a special condition that makes them especially susceptible to COVID. Whatever, I don't really know. What is the harm in that?

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

          LOL, someone wearing a mask while driving around in a car isn't "especially susceptible to COVID" or "have a special condition." They're just hypochondriacs.

        2. LIBtranslator   4 months ago

          The harm to totalitarians was shown by the Solomon Asch experiment. One dissenter weakens the hypnotic effect of fake unanimity. Mystical bigots have it in for the first one that's the tiniest bit different. Preachers tell thim that's the crack for the thin end of the wedge of Randite commie atheism, draft-dodging, free love and shooting up pot.

          1. epsilon given   4 months ago

            Heh, I originally thought you were trying to refute Chemjeff, not agree with him! (I now realize where you are coming from, based on your other comments.)

            Totalitarians tried to hypnotize us into believing that Pretendent Biden was "sharp as a tack" -- only to have the illusion dashed to pieces by a single Presidential Debate.

            Ultimately, once that illusion was broken, Pretendent Biden had no chance to win re-election. Vice Pretendent Harris, even had she been competent, was doomed to fail to get elected. Any Democrat, even one that had gone through a very quick Primary process, was doomed to fail.

            President Trump won re-election because the Democrats and their Media lap dogs lied too much -- everyone could see through the lies, but so many of us felt alone, wondering if we were the only ones who could see, and perhaps even wondering if we were sane, because of the carefully crafted illusions -- all of this was shattered with a single Presidential Debate, and everyone who thought they were alone could suddenly see through all the lies. When this happens, it always surprises the totalitarians -- those totalitarians become victims of what's called a "preference cascade".

            Face it, LIBtranslator: you, Chemjeff, and all the others you agree with, are the "mystical bigots who have it in for the first one that's the tiniest bit different", and the "preachers [who] tell them that's the crack for the thin edge of the wedge of [superstitious MAGA Far Right NeoNazism, vax-dodging, mask-free socializing and laughing at comedians having wrongfun]".

            It's been really weird watching not just President Trump's first six months in office, but the couple of months before, during Pretendent Biden's "lame duck" period -- to see an entire culture shift away from the Left's totalitarian cancel culture, where a single tweet from 10 years ago could suddenly destroy your life, where saying the wrong things leads to shunning, censorship, and even a single laugh could be a reason to be unpersoned -- to one that had a sigh of relief, that can have fun, that can "call it as we see it", that can finally be free -- all signaled by the decisive victory of President Trump, showing that the eight years of illusions, smoke-and-mirrors reporting, and censorship, it was all a dream after all, and the people pretending to be the Majority are really a tiny, tiny minority in American politics.

            1. Juliana Frink   4 months ago

              "...tiny, tiny..."

              Yes!!! Like those little bitty pods wobbling around, smoking, as they wither and die after their grand illusion has been shattered - I'm of course referring to the Star Trek episode "Catspaw."

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 months ago

      Lol. You’re the virtue signal king, Jeff. Look at you go.

      “Is it a single parent who is struggling…?”

      What the fuck difference does that make? You are either right or wrong, and dragging hypothetical “less fortunates” into your argument only exposes its weakness.

      Get over yourself. You’re not some kind of hero, and we are not some kind of monsters because you gave in to the fear and we didn’t.

      And shove your guilt trip up your ass.

    3. Michael Ejercito   4 months ago

      So living a normal life is being a narcisstic asshole?

    4. DesigNate   4 months ago

      “It was ALWAYS about just not being inconvenienced.”

      Yep, just malice and being a narcissistic asshole.
      No other possible explanation.

    5. epsilon given   4 months ago

      Let's just review something else, shall we?

      First, the CDC declared that masks weren't helpful for preventing the spread -- thus giving comfort to everyone who didn't like wearing a mask from the start.

      Second, they then turned around and said a mask was needed -- no, you need two! -- ok, let's make that three. For some reason, a lot of people stopped taking the advice after that seriously.

      Third, the people telling us we don't need mask, er, I mean, that we needed a mask, oh, wait, we need two now, sorry, I forgot! are now telling us we can't go to Church, or attend School, or attend a rally with a lot of people to protest the Covid lockdowns -- but attending Important Protests like Black Lives Matter was safe, and important for the National Health.

      Fourth, you're right about this: "There is no sustainable system of governance where everyone acts like narcissistic a**holes and there is zero appreciation of any concept of the common good." This is exactly why the CDC, NIH, and WHO have no credibility, and are being eaten alive by President Trump's -- and the people's -- vengeance.

      It's not the people and what they believe about masks that's the problem, Chemjeff. Individuals should always be free to take into consideration their circumstances, and whether or not certain actions would actually help (hint: for all sorts of reasons, the CONDITIONS ARE RARELY RIGHT for masks to work in public) -- and for all this talk about freedom damaging the "common good", experience has shown, time and time again, that "experts forcing people to do things for the common good" does far more harm than good, while all those people making their own decisions about their own good, and the good of those they love, advance the common good far better, and far faster, than any bureaucrat with a whip and a gun ever could.

      If you were the Individualist you claim to be, Chemjeff, you would understand this. But you aren't. You're a Collectivist.

      1. charliehall   4 months ago

        Trump had screwed up the CDC in his first term as well.

        1. epsilon given   4 months ago

          President Trump was naive, too trusting his first term. He had no idea he needed to fire a lot more people than he did the first time around.

  28. JohnZ   4 months ago

    If you wish to see how far those in power meant to go just consider what happened in Australia where people were sent to what effectively were concentration camps if they refused the vaxx and were caught defying lockdown orders. People were actually beaten by brutal sadistic cops for daring to step outside. Essentially, martial law was in effect.
    Of course, here in America the liberals wanted anyone who refused to take the clot shot, tossed into a concentration camp as well as people lost their jobs, were kicked out of the military and simply punished for daring to speak out.
    This entire episode is what we can expect when the next crisis comes along, another a crisis which will be manufactured and then spread by the MSM whores.
    The covid hoax was a preview of what's to come.

    1. Ersatz   4 months ago

      ^True!

    2. charliehall   4 months ago

      It was NOT getting vaccinated that caused clots -- when you got infected.

      1. epsilon given   4 months ago

        Let me guess: your sources for this are the same ones that told us the vaccines were effective, that the virus didn't come from a Fauci-funded Chinese Virology lab, that it was important to keep 6' "social distancing" and follow silly arrows in the supermarket and go through only one door in a multi-door building, who assured us everything was "SCIENCE!" before admitting they were actually following Indie's plan "I don't know, I'm making it up as I go along", and (just to throw one of the many non-Covid lies people like you endorsed, even when it was obvious to everyone who had eyes to see, when he was running for the nomination that ultimately brought him to the Presidency) Pretendent Biden was "as sharp as a tack".

  29. Clipton   4 months ago

    Same old Reason straw man bullshit. The author focuses completely on the first weeks of a pandemic when nobody fully understood the nature and scope of the threat and everyone overreacted. The difference is as time went on the Democrats slavishly clung to their hysterical lockdown censorship regime whereas everyone else with a brain, including the people he criticizes, recognized the virus for what it was, a slightly more serious version on the flu, and recommended a commensurately more reasoned approach.

    1. LIBtranslator   4 months ago

      Importing Ebola is the brilliant anchor these hypnotism dropouts copy and swim with. The idea is to divert attention from the Jesus Caucus fixation on having brave guys urge politicians to make cops with guns enslave women into involuntary labor of reproduction. It's Tea-Party Kristian ku-kluxers rebooted to wreck the LP as a lever for repealing Comstockism. https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2018/04/10/libertarian-impersonator-false-flag/

    2. charliehall   4 months ago

      Idiot. The SARS-CoV2 virus is not related to influenza viruses. The case rate and death rate were increasing exponentially at the time the lockdowns were put into effect and without them it is likely that millions more Americans would have died. The health care system barely handled the pandemic as it was and without lockdowns it would have completely collapsed. And the entire economy would have as well.

  30. LIBtranslator   4 months ago

    Thanks so much, Reason, for publishing this article. Scrolling to the bottom of the comments one passes actual Reason subscribers. Then the Batshit signal over Gotham summons a shrewdness of Trumpanzees rushing hither to clutter the scenery. Burning cross-outs and greyed-out rectangles get denser as the flash crowd thickens.

  31. Neutral not Neutered   4 months ago

    It can't be left unsaid that the measures taken to stop Covid were all to push society into conformity and remove individualism and push collectivism. They decided to use Covid to push an extreme leftist authoritarian agenda with otherwise unpopular policies passed like the green new deal and DEI.

    You were told to wear masks to protect others. You wash your hands to protect others. You social distance to protect others. The social distance of 6' had no science backing it. None. It was off the top of CDC's head.

    You get vaccinated to protect others. All actions, the commercials, the mandates were sold to the public as protecting others, the collective.

    And total absolute assholes like Arnie Schwarzenegger come out and yell at people saying fuck your rights and individual choice, join the collective or you should be charged.

    If you do not do these mandated measures you are selfish, uncaring, and a murderer, uneducated and deplorable, racist, misogynist, blah blah blah.

  32. Use the Schwartz   4 months ago

    My new theory: C19 was intentionally released by China to stop the Anti-Extradition uprising. They were afraid of an "Arab Spring" moment and used extreme measures.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932020_Hong_Kong_protests

  33. Sam Bankman-Fried   4 months ago

    My mommy says my daddy was in the CIA and he left on a mission right after he secretly married her and impregnated her and then died in a secret mission in the Soviet Union. So I never met him and my mommy has no photos of him. My daddy is a hero but nobody will ever know that he helped defeat the Soviet Union and bring down the Berlin Wall. My mommy says he may have even been in a mission on the moon!

  34. con_fuse9   4 months ago

    and all evidence to the contrary... MAGAts are in fact intellectuals.
    Ah yes, the TDS argument. "You are only saying bad things about Trump because of TDS".
    If you repeat that 10 times while spinning infront of a mirror - you'll confirm you are an idiot.

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