Florida Gets Closer To Being a 'Free State' With Plan To End School Vaccine Mandate
Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo proposed ending the requirement that public school children be vaccinated, calling the mandate "slavery."

It's an extreme, albeit predictable, irony that the years of imperious, novel public health mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic are giving way to a backlash against once-routine, noncontroversial vaccination requirements.
This was evidenced yesterday when Florida Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo said at a press conference with Gov. Ron DeSantis that he would work to end all vaccine mandates in the state, including the default requirement that children be vaccinated in order to attend public schools.
"Who am I as a government or anyone else or…[as] a man standing here right now to tell you what you should put in your body?" said Ladapo, making the extreme libertarian case for what was until a few years ago a seemingly fringe libertarian policy.
Ladapo said he would use what rule-making power he had as surgeon general to eliminate vaccine mandates. He said he'd also work with lawmakers to amend the state law that currently requires school children to be vaccinated.
In response to reporters' questions at that press conference, DeSantis said he'd also push lawmakers to adopt a "medical freedom" package that would extend antidiscrimination protections to the unvaccinated.
"I think you should not ever be discriminated against regardless of these choices," said the governor.
Despite the radical language Ladapo used (he referred to vaccine mandates as "slavery") and some of the panicked reactions from critics, the surgeon general's proposed policy is somewhat more modest than meets the eye.
Should lawmakers pass Ladapo's proposed policy, Florida would in fact be the first state to have no vaccine mandate for school children.
But the Sunshine State does already allow for religious exemptions to vaccine requirements, as do another 28 states according to the National Conference of State Legislature's policy tracker.
Another 16 states allow public school children to opt out of vaccine mandates for "personal" or "philosophical" reasons as well. Both predominantly conservative and predominately liberal states allow for these personal exemptions—a reminder that the politics around vaccines was not as neatly polarized and partisan as it is today.
All states allow school children to claim a medical exemption to vaccine requirements.
In other words, unvaccinated school children in Florida and across much of the country can and do attend public schools today. The innovation of Ladapo's proposed policy is that unvaccinated children with a secular reason for not being immunized can attend school and do so without filling out any additional paperwork.
It's worth noting too that there are plenty of other environments where children interact, from the park to karate class to Sunday school, that uncontroversially don't mandate vaccines.
It's a more marginal change. But it's a marginal change in the direction of liberty nonetheless.
There are few choices more personal, and few freedoms more fundamental, than what people decide to put in their bodies. The same is true of parents making the same decisions for their children.
To force vaccinations on people is clearly a major intrusion on that fundamental freedom. Conditioning access to universal public services like education on immunization is only marginally less coercive.
Some libertarians will argue that forced vaccination is different than other medical mandates because it prevents the spread of disease. Vaccine mandates are therefore just another ban on harming others, similar to laws against assault. Read Reason's Ron Bailey make that case for our debate issue on vaccine mandates from 2014.
I instead agree with Bailey's debate opponent in that issue, physician Jeff Singer, who argued that the risks (however minimal) of vaccination and the uncertainty about whether an unvaccinated person will spread disease from one person to another means that vaccine mandates can't probably be considered a ban on aggression. Rather, the mandates are the aggression.
What will be the practical effects of Florida's ending of vaccine mandates?
Certainly, the presumption is that if you make something easier to do, more people will do it. Should Florida schools make vaccination voluntary and make it paperwork-free to decline them, you can assume that on the margins, fewer parents will get their children vaccinated.
Indeed, this has been the trend during and after the pandemic, regardless of any policy change by states on vaccine mandates. The Kaiser Family Foundation notes that claimed exemptions from school vaccine mandates are on the rise and rates of vaccination (while still very high) are falling in the aftermath of the pandemic.
This is hardly a positive development, given the immense benefit and minimal risk of routine childhood vaccines.
But it is, as mentioned, a direct, obvious backlash to the massive pandemic-era government overreach.
During COVID, the government vastly expanded the freedoms it was willing to restrict in the name of public health, while simultaneously lowering the standards of evidence it used to justify those restrictions. Debate about appropriate public health measures was stifled, condemned, and in some cases, literally censored.
All of this did great damage to the public's trust in public health generally. With that trust eroded, fewer people are willing to tolerate policies (like required vaccination for school children) that were once broadly accepted.
But public health officials aren't going to rebuild that lost trust by clinging to the mandates that still exist. Regaining it will require supporting people's right to make decisions for themselves and their children about vaccination.
The less vaccine proponents put themselves in a position of forcing people to get vaccinated, the more people might trust their attempts to voluntarily persuade them it's a good idea to do so.
The fewer mandates there are, the less room anti-vaccine activists have to claim that they are silenced freedom fighters. Their crankery will have to stand on its own merit.
Lapado and DeSantis are both obviously imperfect messengers for the cause of making free and informed decisions about what to put in one's body.
Lapado has pushed a lot of exceedingly dubious claims about the COVID vaccine. At his press conference, he referred to it as "poison." While there's reasonable debate to be had about the benefits and risks of the COVID vaccine given one's age and health status, calling the shot poison is false, inflammatory, and just plain fearmongering.
Meanwhile, DeSantis' support for your bodily autonomy naturally doesn't extend to your decision to eat lab-grown meat or smoke marijuana. He said at yesterday's press conference that he wants to extend "antidiscrimination" policies that require businesses to transact with the unvaccinated. That violates freedom of association.
Nevertheless, you go to war with the army you have. Should the two succeed in ending vaccine requirements for public school children, the Sunshine State would actually be a little closer to earning the title of the "free state of Florida."
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Welcome to the petri dish of problems we already solved once.
Then they probably shouldn't have acted like they were in control of anything and could order people around like boardgame pieces.
Maybe when the dust settles the public health people will understand their role and when the pendulum starts swinging back the other way they won't force it like they did in 2020?
The CDC and FDA need to be fully investigated as they are both corrupt to the core and worthless.
Both need to be defunded and closed.
With criminal referrals.
Funny how the people bleating the loudest about "big pharma" always neatly ignore how the snake oil salesmen aren't giving their quack cures away for free.
Up next, raw milk school lunches
Yet you support open borders……….
"Who am I as a government or anyone else to tell you what you should put in your body?"
Continuing: "We are still more than willing as a government, however, to force you to pay school taxes and send your kids to public schools unless you're lucky enough to be able to afford a private school that complies with state-mandated educational goals." So much for extreme libertarian cases!
as Bugs Bunny would say.."Baby steps, 'Doc'. Baby steps."
me gusta. good step in the correct direction.
Bad step in an insane direction. The safety and effectiveness of vaccines is not up for any legitimate debate. I'm 100% in favor of allowing adults to endanger themselves as much as they like. When your actions endanger others, things change. Parents shouldn't have any more right to endanger their children than they do to sexually exploit them, and that's even before considering other people's children they're endangering. What's next, arguing against infringing on the "rights" of drunk drivers?
End taxes being used to fund schools and you’ll get closer to a free state.
And produce a generation of uneducated unemployable young people who will take over your house and steal you blind, because nobody will hire them. And your greed will have gotten it's just reward.
Government funded schools in America go all the way back to 1635.
Fuck off greedy indoctrinating slaver.
charliehall is pwned by the the government.
His Top Men are in a race to the bottom, which would be him.
son pf Gus?
Apparently you have no idea what's being done in your government run schools.
You democrats have come a great job doing that using public schools which you have controlled for decades.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/literacy-epidemic-hits-illinois-as-fewer-than-1-in-3-students-read-well/
Fewer than one-third of Illinois fourth-grade students met or exceeded reading proficiency standards on a recent national assessment, part of a nationwide literacy crisis in which students are already behind in fourth grade.
Students failed to meet or exceed reading standards in most states in 2024. Illinois joined 40 other states and Washington, D.C., in which 1 in 3, or fewer, fourth-grade students met or exceeded reading standards.
FTA:
Research has pinpointed third grade as a critical reading milestone because students need to have learned to read by then or they will not be able to absorb curricula during the remainder of their school years. If they cannot read, social studies, math and other subjects become incomprehensible and their futures bleak.
Schools don't always do a great job of educating students, so we should also stop protecting kids from dangerous but easily prevented disease. That's some high quality insane troll logic right there.
So you are saying that public schools are working? Are you just being sarcastic?
Make home schooling popular again. maybe even one room school houses where children actually learned.
Just last week I found a sample of a test that was the requirement for passing the Sixth grade in the 1880s school system.
Hell, I couldn't answer many of them.
Most young people today are barely literate and attention spans of a parakeet.
My one qualm with homeschooling is that most parents aren't teachers, they don't have the breadth of knowledge or ability to communicate information to kids (which is a hard as hell thing to do, respect to the teachers that can) and aren't able to fulfill that role properly. Smaller classes and private schooling are the real goals to me, where kids can learn in effective and nuanced environments
There are plenty of resources available for home schoolers, and other alternative such as learning pods.
>It's an extreme, albeit predictable, irony that the years of imperious, novel public health mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic are giving way to a backlash against once-routine, noncontroversial vaccination requirements.
Its not ironic, its just predictable.
They were imperious, the harder you push the harder the pushback.
Also, they aren't/weren't once-routine or noncontroversial. They weren't as fast-changing or flailing as the COVID vaccines, but I didn't get the same vaccines my parents did, and that includes *not* getting vaccines that they were forced to get. My kids didn't get the same vaccines I got. Flu vaccination rates have never been over about 50% (and routinely bandied about as being lower if you start trying to math out the efficacy) and Arizona, Louisiana, South Carolina, and West Virginia specifically exclude the Gardasil vaccine from it's mandates after it was pushed for children as young as 9 (and for which Merck is still being litigated against for manipulating/fraudulently reporting its trial data).
I could understand the omission of niche exceptions or regional variance because of convenience or obsolescence but the combination is like Britschgi is cribbing from Emma Camp's "Either I'm too young to remember fairly recent history, too stupid to remember it, or just dishonestly forgetting facts inconvenient to my narrative." MO. Specifically trying to downplay the repeated attempts by governments and big pharma (and dishonest dumbfucks like Ron Bailey) to forcibly vaccinate people against disease they can easily avoid and aren't going to get.
Flu vaccines are a joke and a total waste of time and money. As for the rest of the 70 odd vaxxes forced on American children, designed to create sterile , autistic idiots, RFK Jr. is correct.
So is Gov. DeSantis.
A large number of rod autistic people are high functioning with super intelligence. If anything, neurotypicals are are cognitively inferior.
What in the gay blue hell are "rod autistic people"? Maybe try a little proofreading, SCROTUS.
They were always annoying for the few years the Navy tried mandating them.
Even today I get mildly sick every 3-4 years - get a flu shot and I'm out for a day. And the *point* of that vaccination was preventing lost hours due to illness even though, being in the military, you weren't going to be allowed out of work short of nearly dieing. Doc'll give you some Motrin and some cough drops, now get back to work.
RFK is a fucking grifter who's made millions peddling quack remedies and DeSantis is an evil minded idiot who's determined to "protect" children from dangerous ideas, but apparently doesn't care about protecting them from very real diseases. The "vaccines cause autism" bullshit has never had any evidence, and kids are a hell of a lot more likely to be sterilized by diseases than vaccines. Oh, and pray tell me just what diseases we shouldn't be protecting kids against.
Yet more high quality m.c bullshit. Let's all shit on Reason even on the rare occasions they're sufficiently retarded to agree with us.
Vaccines weren't very controversial when everyone knew someone who had suffered or died from the diseases they mostly eliminated. Every vaccine on the market was extensively tested for safety and efficacy before being approved, and they've all been closely tracked since.
Ooh, "I didn't get the same vaccines my parents did!" Things change, you fucking genius. Please tell me just what diseases children shouldn't be protected against. Back in the day cars didn't have seatbelts or backup cameras, so I guess those must be an evil government conspiracy too. As for vaccinations against STDs, it's only good sense to apply them long before most people become sexually active. Sensible people don't wait to put out a grease fire on their stove until the whole house is on fire.
While we're at it, fuck your "diseases that are easy to avoid" bullshit in the ear sideways forever. The same morons are attacking vaccines for easily transmitted diseases and pretending otherwise is going full retard.
This isn't "backlash", it's using bad policy to justify idiocy.
Libertarian Paradise!
Good on FL and Surgeon General Joseph A. Ladapo
Indeed!
Yes this.
Right, now let's stop infringing on people's right to drive drunk on public roads. Who are we to tell them no?
What?
No vaccine mandate from The State?
The person responsible needs to be identified, (Yes, I'm calling all Karens) arrested, given a fair and speedy show trial and sent to the local gulag for their re-education.
Our obvious betters know what's best for us and totalitarianism is the wisest choice for the masses.
Just ask anyone from North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela.
They'll set you straight.
Otherwise, the people might start to think for themselves and demand freedom, and we all know what that would mean.
MAGA is a death cult.
This has nothing to do with "freedom". This is about giving ignorant parents the ability to put their children in unnecessary risk of illness and death. The parents themselves are not going to be hurt by this.
Good idea.
After all, look how The State here in America handled the fake COVID crisis by shutting down schools, businesses and other important aspects of our lives.
This way, businesses went bankrupt and kids in schools were set back a full year.
Capitalism, freedom and knowledge took a much needed punch to the gut so we could all depend on Uncle Sugar and the growth of The State to micromanage our meaningless lives.
So, let your local Kommissar of Kulture tell you how to raise your children. They are so much more prudent than the average peasant who toils away for scraps thrown to them by the nefarious capitalists.
Plus, don't forget our obvious betters in power over us are in bed with those benevolent and wise makers of "medicine"in Big Pharma that have been to college and know so much more than all of peasants put together.
After all, what could possibly go wrong?
"know so much more than all of peasants put together."
WHO NEEDS those SMALL words, anyway?
COVID wasn't a "fake" crisis, we just didn't know what was going on or have enough information about the disease. Sure with 5 years of research and data we can look back and say that the strong reaction wasn't warranted but at the time that wasn't known, it could have been a much more lethal disease that would have merited that reaction to fulfill the non-aggression principle.
Also big pharma is just as subject to market forces and regulation as anything else and exist to better your health. There are very few examples to the contrary and to believe there aren't is just brainless conspiracy thinking (unless you have examples, I'd be willing to learn and correct myself if you do).
It's funny how those that bleat about "big pharma" never seem to mention that the "alternative medicine" quacks aren't giving away their snake oil for free. How is it more ethical to make money off nostrums that either have never been proven to work or proven not to work?
The fact that the response to covid could have been better does jack shit to make it "fake". A million plus bodies on the ground ain't fake.
If you wish, you can investigate the results of how DeSantis ran Florida compared to other states who inflicted lockdowns, school closing for two years, loss of income, the utterly stupid social distancing and with an outcome no better than Florida.
In truth, Florida came out of that self inflicted psychosis better than most other states.
So then, you're opposed to "gender affirming care"?
The only "death cult" there is : Liberal trans death cult.
Do you continue to support israel's genocide of the Palestinian people?
The world's Jewish population is still smaller than it was in 1939, while the Palestinian population is vastly higher than it was in 1947. If Israel is committing genocide, they're doing an absolute shit job of it. Now, if you want to call their actions in Gaza ethnic cleansing you could easily make a good case.
To all the MAGAmorons: This has nothing to do with covid at all. This is about protecting children from preventable diseases. When was the last time you know of someone getting polio, small pox, whopping cough, or rubella? It is because of a massive public health push to get all children vaccinated. Not allowing unvaccinated children into schools is reasonable and needed.
This year all those happened dumdum.
Even polio was 2022.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9577438/
In Trump’s defense he attempted to stand up to this and he would get booed at his own rallies. This runs deeper than MAGA and Compassionate Conservatism…Republicans are the party of racists and people that want to slaughter innocent Muslims.
Tony, democratkind has spent half a century destroying education in America. Just like your kind destroy all our institutions. MAGA is here to stop you and your pinko fellow travelers.
Does it hurt to be so stupid or are you just numb to it?
You tell us doc retard.
If being this stupid doesn't hurt, all I can say is that it should. The problem is that the cultists are happy to inflict pain on all of us as long as they can pwn teh libz.
Tony, you and your traitor trash democrat friends already did that by flooding America with 20+ million illegals from, countries full of diseases that we eradicated here long ago.
You should be executed for that.
I think it's funny when MAGA idiots like you have to argue in libertarian spaces because you're too much of an asshole to not banned in liberal spaces and because the people that agree with you in MAGA spaces are too dumb to know how to get online.
It's great that you get to voice an opinion here! But you should also, even though I know you won't, try to realize even a little bit that you're a retard with completely indefensible positions that are entirely reliant on people being too dumb to know how wrong you are or being too nice to tell you how stupid you are.
Come back with literally anything but moronic soundbytes about how immigration is bad and nonwhite people are inferior, or even some sources to back that up, and maybe we'll take you seriously. Until then I just hope you're having fun with the uncreative trolling. You haven't refuted a single point, you're just spamming comments.
Yet more bullshit SCROTUS needs to shove right back up their ass. Pretty much all of the easily prevented suffering and death is being spread by idiots born right here in the good ol' US of A, not your imaginary eleventy brazillion icky illegals. I'm not going to call for your execution, but I won't stop denying your asshole idiot bullshit.
This will create a lot of jobs by bringing back the iron lung manufacturers.
Why is it you assume everyone is stupid and irresponsible?
Because charliehall is stupid and irresponsible?
The US voted in as president a rapist liar traitor felon. That is why we assume everyone is stupid and irresponsible.
^ @DLAM because some here are.
Doc retard weighs in.
No faggot, we got rid of the child molesting rapist traitor back in January. I know you’re a retarded bitch, but do try and keep up.
Dennis Hastert.
I'm supposed to celebrate replacing one drooling senile idiot with another? Biden was never high on my list of favorite people, but at least he managed to avoid deliberately driving the country into the ground. More than I can say for the current drooling pussy-grabber.
You're not arguing with libertarians, you're arguing with MAGA that are using the protections principled libertarians give them to be idiots. You won't ever win by replying to them.
I'm aware of that, but at least denouncing their retardation gives me some slight satisfaction. If nothing else, it's nice to comment somewhere I'm allow to call retarded fuckwits "retarded fuckwits" instead of tiptoeing around the truth..
Only because too many are.
That's about the most ridiculous comment yet.
besides the Polio scare has a different story than the one we were told.
I'm too lazy to keep correcting the indoctrinated on this fact. But it is a fact. Easily seen by the data and not blindly accepting the narratives.
The vaccines were safe and effective. The mitigation measures weren’t a silver bullet but they delayed spread significantly and bought time to get vaccinated.
What ridiculous, made-up data are you talking about?
What story? After the vaccine was introduced, polio infections dramatically declined and now the disease has been nearly eliminated, flourishing only in shitholes that reject the vaccines. No one called it a "scare" back when everyone knew someone who ended up dead or crippled for life.
"That's violates freedom of association."
YEAH!
Bravo Gov. DeSantis. If only we, here in Michigan had a governor such as yourself, but we do not. We have a WEF stooge Karen for a governor and a drunken lesbian as so called Attorney general, that is when she's not getting lit up and muff diving.
Your decisions put Florida on the right path to recover much faster than the rest of the country.
Sad when being a lesbian is the best thing about a person.
You’ve also got a disturbingly large number of Islamists.
What's the issue with that? do you think that Islamists are not protected under freedom of religion or do you just think that people of certain beliefs should be cut of political systems?
Making the extreme libertarian case? Gather around children. This is the day that Reason died.
The extreme libertarian case has nothing to do with "gathering around children" at all, that's a MAGA talking point. At best you're talking about the non-aggression principle which only applies to children in the sense that they can't make their own determination but the article very clearly focuses on parents.
During COVID, the government vastly expanded the freedoms it was willing to restrict in the name of public health, while simultaneously lowering the standards of evidence it used to justify those restrictions. Debate about appropriate public health measures was stifled, condemned, and in some cases, literally censored.
All of this did great damage to the public's trust in public health generally. With that trust eroded, fewer people are willing to tolerate policies (like required vaccination for school children) that were once broadly accepted.
Basically, public health officials acted like absolute monarchs.
Medical science is leftist.
You would have endorsed lysenko youre so fucking dumb and leftist. Lol.
Except, you know, basic biology. Then it's way above their paygrade. Even if they're the affirmative action pick for the Supreme Court.
Not taking vaccinations with generations of test subjects that stave off horrific diseases is magical thinking hokum, and both the Whole Foods lefties and MAHA set should be mocked for it. Not taking experimental vaccines developed under duress and never really tested probably makes you sentient.
Not taking experimental vaccines developed under duress and never really tested probably makes you sentient.
Who says that they were "never really tested"? I'm curious what you think "really" testing the COVID vaccines would have looked like, and I'm curious how that would compare to what was done to test them.
This is too on the nose to be bait, in the future you have to be a literal more subversive for it to be funny.
Ragebait is an art, try something like "Vaccine mandates are a leftist conspiracy" instead which is will sound a lot more believable. "Medical science is leftist" just makes you sound like an idiot or more often an obvious troll.
Whites in Mississippi mandated vaccines because they didn’t think Blacks would get them and then would infect their kids at integrated schools.
Distinguishing between religious exemptions and other forms of exemptions is offensive.
I’m a Satanist…thank you for defending my faith.
Hopefully most parents will be sensible and get their children vaccinated. For those parents who may worry about the ill effects of vaccines, I would suggest considering the following;
- think of how worried my grandparents were when my their son, my uncle, was exposed to polio. He never came down with the disease, but he was watched carefully and worried over.
- think of the worry of a pregnant woman who finds that she has been exposed to a child with rubella.
- think of how you would feel if your daughter, now a young woman tells you she has to have a hysterectomy because of cervical cancer.
Humans are not good at evaluating risks of rare events. We can evaluate risks reasonably well when the odds aren't that extreme. But we can't easily tell the difference between a 1 in 100 chance of something bad happening and a 1 in 10,000 chance or a 1 in 100,000,000 chance. Why the fuck to people buy Powerball tickets? People literally have about the same chance of being struck by lightning during the course of a year as winning the jackpot in the same time period if you buy one ticket for each drawing. (I am looking in the mirror as I say this. I bought my two quickpicks yesterday.)
Going by a 2021 study from Israel, the rate of myocarditis after COVID vaccination was 2.13 cases per 100,000 persons vaccinated. I think this is one of the studies I see regularly as proof of the vaccines' danger. [Myocarditis after Covid-19 Vaccination in a Large Health Care Organization]
More recently,
A Canadian study of adolescents 12-17 years of age found the highest risk among males 16 and 17 years old after dose 2 (15.7 per 100,000). Analyses of safety surveillance data from the Vaccine Safety Datalink found no significant associations between mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and 23 serious health outcomes (including myocarditis/pericarditis) when including all ages. However, supplemental analyses restricted to individuals 12 to 39 years of age found an increased risk of myocarditis/pericarditis in the week after mRNA vaccination (RR: 9.83; 95% CI: 3.35-35.77), corresponding to an estimated 6.3 additional cases per million doses. - "Do Vaccines Cause Myocarditis and/or Myocardopathy/Cardiomyopathy?" - John Hopkins, updated Dec. 2024
No doubt, people here can find other studies, and I'm happy to see that data.
So, compare all of that to the risks of getting COVID and having a severe case of it if a person is not vaccinated. That would be an informed decision.
Why are kids getting so many vaccines and why is Autism so prevalent in America? RFK jr. is on to something and I suspect it disturbs the PROFITS of big pharma.
By now the "science" as we know it has been politicized and used as a weapon against anyone who dares disagree. Fauci, the inhuman beast, narcissist and psychopath, is the 21st century Josef Mengele who needs to be given the same treatment.
Health care in America is now run by corporations, hedge funds and Blackrock. It is all about profit and loss. Not about real health care.
That's all we are now, just figures in the columns of profit and loss.
Why are kids getting so many vaccines and why is Autism so prevalent in America? RFK jr. is on to something and I suspect it disturbs the PROFITS of big pharma.
Test your suspicion by examining the data and listening to/reading the arguments against your suspicion. Let us know what you find.
The fewer mandates there are, the less room anti-vaccine activists have to claim that they are silenced freedom fighters. Their crankery will have to stand on its own merit.
"Crankery", by definition, has no merit to stand on. When there is at least a plausible logic and set of data to support a hypothesis, then it isn't crankery. Digging deeper and finding problems and inaccuracies, flawed logic, or flawed analysis doesn't mean that the person staking out that scientific position was a "crank". They were just wrong.
Make no mistake - We all rely on many kinds of "experts", not just scientists, every day. None of us have expertise in enough areas to get through a day where we could "do our own research" to make all of the decisions we would need to make. The "research" we do for choices outside of our specialties and experience is to find the information we need to try and evaluate which experts to listen to.
So, who do we listen to about medical questions? Doctors, or that influencer that is telling us that tumors are our body's way of isolating toxins and cutting the tumor out is just going to spread those toxins? Or, maybe we should listen to Mel Gibson because he told Joe Rogan about his friends that beat their Stage IV cancers with Ivermectin and fenbendazole.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/fair-and-137362784
If we do decide to listen only to doctors, then we still have to decide which doctors to believe. "Consensus" is not evidence that a something is correct. It is evidence for exactly what the word means: that the vast majority of experts in that field all reached the same basic conclusion. (They might still disagree on some details.) Giving more weight to the consensus is not being a sheep or whatever other pejorative comes to mind. It is the same heuristic we use for virtually all of our choices where experience tells us that experts are usually right. If we don't trust one doctor, we find another doctor to give us a second opinion. If we still aren't sure, we will look to see what the majority of doctors recommend. The old commercials that told us that 4 out of 5 dentists recommend X brand of toothpaste worked because what 80% of dentists think is more likely to be true than what the remaining 20% think. That is perfectly rational thinking, and it offers the highest probability of being correct.
None of this garbage health policy was an inevitable or predictable result of COVID policies. It is a result of people with influence and power and celebrity status amplifying those that actually are cranks. Each person that does this has their own reasons. Some really believe what they say, some are going for clicks and social media followers, some are going both for that, and they are selling some miracle "natural" supplement they say is superior to what the medical "establishment" and "big pharma" push on us. The worst of these, however, are the people that are elected or appointed to government amplifying the cranks as a way to make those beliefs a political identity marker. A marker that they can then exploit to increase their power.
I welcome people being skeptical of government experts. That is always necessary and valuable. What I don't welcome is replacing trust in experts with trust for people that don't follow the scientific method, don't base their policy ideas on reliable data, and act like criticism and skepticism of their position is censorship.
Skepticism is not folding our arms and saying that we don't believe something. Skepticism is remaining agnostic about a claim until sufficient evidence supports it. Skepticism is requiring the same standard of proof for all claims when deciding whether the evidence is sufficient. It is not requiring high standards for ones that go against our preferences and political or religious identities, and having low standards of proof for ones that line up with our existing beliefs.
As if the "experts" follow the scientific method.
Instead, they follow what creates the most profit.
As do the doctors
Don't trust doctors and don't trust big pharma.
It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Don't trust doctors and don't trust big pharma.
Do you trust whoever shows up on Joe Rogan's podcast? Maybe you trust an environmental lawyer over the many doctors and other medical experts he's fired.
I'm sure none of them have ever had any profit motive in what they say.
"Who am I as a government or anyone else or…[as] a man standing here right now to tell you what you should put in your body?"
Good point. Now do abortion pills.
Maybe we can all imagine all the children are pregnant so the State owns them and can tell them what they can/cannot put in their own bodies. /s