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Federal Reserve

The Real Threat to Fed Independence Isn't Trump. It's Congress' Debt Addiction.

The president's clear attempt to interfere in the Federal Reserve is not a one-off crisis.

Veronique de Rugy | 8.28.2025 4:30 PM

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Concerns about the Federal Reserve's independence have grown following repeated attacks by President Donald Trump, including this week's decision to fire Fed Governor Lisa Cook based on questionable allegations. But this debate is too narrowly focused on the president's political pressure, ignoring a growing danger in our system.

It is true that since the Treasury-Federal Reserve Accord of 1951, the Fed has had operational independence—the ability to set interest rates day to day—without any obligation to make government borrowing cheap. But it never had true economic independence because the bank's monetary policy cannot be insulated from the effect of fiscal policy, and vice versa.

As public debt grows, the link becomes more visible and fiscal dominance—which occurs when a central bank like the Fed becomes subordinate to the government's fiscal policy—looms larger.

For instance, fiscal policy can happen in the name of financial stability, like it did in the U.K. in 2022. When former Prime Minister Liz Truss unveiled unfunded tax cuts and new spending, bond markets collapsed. The Bank of England was compelled to intervene and buy long-dated bonds "on whatever scale necessary." The official justification was financial, but the underlying dynamic was fiscal dominance. The bank had to postpone inflation-fighting measures to cope with a fiscal decision.

Fiscal dominance also occurs in the name of fiscal sustainability. Some economists, including me, have wondered whether there was more to the Fed's hesitation to raise interest rates when inflation took off in 2021 than a misread of a situation it called "transitory." The motivation for fiscal dominance was there. Then and now, higher interest rates mean higher interest payments, more borrowing, and a higher deficit.

As University of Virginia economist Eric Leeper recently wrote, for the first time ever, the president is now making the connection explicit. Trump is demanding lower rates on the grounds that high interest payments on government debt are "costing taxpayers trillions." That's the textbook logic of fiscal dominance, and a return to the pre-1951 thinking.

In contrast, the 1980s offered an example of a Fed chairman refusing to submit to fiscal dominance. When Paul Volcker raised interest rates to fight inflation that jumped from 11 percent in August 1979 to more than 17 percent in October 1980, he made it clear to former President Ronald Reagan that, regardless of the fiscal consequences, he would not back down. The rates would stay high for as long as necessary. Volcker even pressed Congress to do its part in fighting inflation by cutting spending.

Volcker understood the interplay between monetary policy and fiscal policy. Over time, through a series of tax increases and eventual consolidation under former President Bill Clinton, it was fiscal policy that adjusted to support disinflation.

Debt levels were much lower then. Today, the arithmetic is far less forgiving, and our Congress is missing in action. Our debt is more than 100 percent of gross domestic product. Interest payments are rising and already absorb nearly one-fifth of federal spending. If legislators deal with Social Security and Medicare's insolvency through increased borrowing instead of meaningful reforms, the debt will explode.

What pundits who are correctly concerned about Fed independence ignore is that Trump's clear attempt to interfere is not a one-off crisis; it's something that could become an enduring feature of high-debt politics.

Congress is subject to a simple, macroeconomic constraint: All government outlays, including interest payments, must ultimately be financed by some combination of taxes, borrowing, or monetary policy. When interest payments rise, the burden will be carried somewhere. If Congress won't collect more tax revenue or exercise more spending and borrowing restraint, that leaves monetary policy, which means suppressing interest rates or tolerating higher inflation to erode the real value of our debt.

So, those who only care about Trump's public browbeating of Fed Chair Jerome Powell miss the most crucial point: The pressure on the Fed will continue to exist no matter who occupies the Oval Office thanks to the fiscal trajectory that was locked in years ago and Congress' refusal to do anything about it.

The implications of chronic fiscal stress are sobering. Inflation pressure is unlikely to be quelled. Indeed, it's misleading to say that the Fed alone controls inflation. It can do so only if fiscal policy is aligned with that task. Fed independence, in a narrow political sense, becomes irrelevant when the arithmetic of debt service dictates outcomes.

Without slower spending growth and real budgetary reforms, no amount of monetary maneuvering can restore stability. The question is not whether Powell, or his successor, will resist Trump's demands. It's whether Congress will behave in a way that allows the Fed to do its job.

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Veronique de Rugy is a contributing editor at Reason. She is a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University.

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  1. Chumby   2 months ago

    End the Fed.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

      The only liberatrian solution. Anything else is just statis fuckery.

    2. Incunabulum   2 months ago

      We don't need to end the Fed. We need to end the government preventing anyone else from using a competing currency. Not leave it unregulated, but stop the current policy of hammering down anyone who tries.

      There's nothing inherently wrong with a fiat currency nor with a managing agency (indeed, if you're going to have one the Fed is the only way to make it work) but on its own you're totally dependent on 'Top Men' in the Fed to get it right and you're fucked if they don't.

    3. charliehall   2 months ago

      Before the Fed, oligarchs controlled the money supply -- to benefit themselves. Sounds very MAGA.

  2. car-keynes   2 months ago

    What sort of consumer behavior would promote lower interest rates and less inflation?

    Well, obviously not defaulting on a debt would be one such behavior.

    Whereas bankruptcy demonstrates a negative behavior, though, what would positive behaviors be for consumers? Does it matter what goods you buy? Can you buy goods that increase inflation, for example?

  3. JFree   2 months ago

    There is no 'threat' to Fed independence. Bond investors are as jittery as cats and for good reason. If there were ANY threat to what they perceive as the status quo, then expectations of bond volatility (eg $MOVE index - similar to the $VIX for equities) would reflect that. There is no threat because there is no such thing as 'Fed independence'. Not now - and not for decades. Nor were Zero interest rates an expression of 'Fed independence'. Nor for that matter is the excess of debt issuance. Not that anyone here at Reason ever gave a shit about that sort of corruption.

  4. Incunabulum   2 months ago

    How is it that the closeted conservative and the *French* chick are among the best writers this place has?

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      I believe that's the wokification of the entirety of their staff and everybody knows everything woke turns to shit.

    2. Chumby   2 months ago

      The Stoss is still decent.

  5. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    Yep. 'Democrat/ic' [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] *is* the Problem.
    Ignoring the US Constitution *is* the Problem.

    The USA will falter by continuing to entertain that treasonous ideology. It's a mathematical certainty.

  6. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 months ago

    It's obvious that the office of the president does not have the amount of power that many claim it has. It's also obvious that the congress has delegated much more of their power to the un-elected federal bureaucracy (deep state) than to the executive branch.

    Congress needs to develop a backbone are retrieve their power from the un-elected federal bureaucracy (deep state) and this should include massive layoffs and eliminations of complete agencies.

    The un-elected federal bureaucracy (deep state) have become a series of rogue actors who act for their benefit and not for the benefit of the citizens of the country.

    The federal government needs to be radically simplified back to our origins of how and why the country was founded.

    I agree with Fredrick Douglas that the constitution contains the ideals of how the country was founded even though it took awhile for it to be applied evenly. Slavery is a stain on our founding, but the constitution is clear that rights are for everyone.

    To radically simplify the federal government is not a call to return to slavery, but to return to the ideals of the constitution. Slavery is an abomination and bastardization of the constitution.

    Likewise the country has lost it's way with the endless spending, the endless war, the division between the people and the ruling elitists.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      There's not a chance in Hell that any of that is going to happen.

  7. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

    However will we survive without an unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy?

  8. JohnZ   2 months ago

    Congress's debt addiction is like any other addict. They need their dealer to geta fix and with congress, their dealer is the Federal Reserve.
    End the Fed and end the debt. Ron Paul is right. America would not be in this trouble if it weren't for the Federal Reserve. Borrowing and spending is the surest way to debt, default and collapse and that's exactly where this nation is headed, the worst monetary collapse in history.
    It will be a thousand times worse than the Great Depression

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      It will be a thousand times worse than the Great Depression

      Yes, it will. Hundreds of millions will die. Which is why the Power Elite are planning it.

  9. Roberta   2 months ago

    ...

    Trump is demanding lower rates on the grounds that high interest payments on government debt are "costing taxpayers trillions."

    Then why does the government insist on doing business in a medium the Fed has a legal monopoly on?

  10. StevenF   2 months ago

    An independent Federal Reserve is unconstitutional on its face.

  11. jimusa   2 months ago

    Misses the big, uncomfortable point. The government takes in about half what it spends, as an ongoing state of affairs. One hears cries of "entitlements!!!", but Social Security and Medicare are paid from FICA taxes, plus a bit of spend down of the trust fund. They're the closest to balance bit of federal spending. Eliminating them (SS, MC, FICA) wouldn't meaningfully change the budget balance.

    The discretionary part of the budget is nearly unfunded. Romney famously observed that 47% pay no income tax (not including FICA), but omitted that the Republicans created this by, time after time, taking more people entirely off income tax, as a sweetener for lowering taxes in the higher brackets and corporate taxes. So, our government (discretionary spending) is run on deficit spending as its main source of funding.

    In the 1960s, America spent 12% of GDP on discretionary spending, and could have nice stuff, like a new world class highway system. Now, it spends half that percentage, by borrowing, and we wonder if we could fight two geopolitical adversaries, while driving down crumbling roads (maintained increasingly by general revenue bailouts, except there's no general revenue, so by deficit spending, as road taxes are a small fraction of what they were in 1978 adjusting for inflation).

    Some like to pretend that we could balance the budget through spending cuts (with further tax cuts), including noisily multi billionaires who mostly couldn't have made their billions in any other country, but also average citizens. As shown above, though, there's really nothing to this notion.

    Some billionaires like Musk realize that the debt pile is ever more in danger of collapsing on us, with a spiral as investors start shifting away from treasuries, making interest costs even higher. But stop short of the obvious...tax again, even if one works on efficiencies (like spending what other rich countries do on infrastructure, rather than thrice as much, like for like), and eliminating less important spending.

    One could propose a flat tax and/or a consumption/VAT tax. But that gets avoided in favor of fantasies...spend like Republicans (who Reason showed were raising spending even faster than Democrats, almost without exception, no virtuous party here), while while essentially not taxing for discretionary spending, just borrowing (no virtuous party here either, not even citizens who will be hurt by a collapse).

    I've yet to hear a sensible proposal from either party, nor from citizens for that matter. Nor from billionaires that fantasize that they'll do better under Russia and China than Khodorkovsky or Jack Ma.

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