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What Will Israel Do?

Plus: LLM limitations, Adams sues campaign finance board, when public schools indoctrinate kids, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 8.19.2025 9:30 AM

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Ready to negotiate: "Hamas on Monday informed mediators that it accepted the ceasefire-hostage release deal proposal that was submitted to the group a day earlier, which sources said involves a 60-day pause and the release of 10 living captives, as mediators scramble to find an agreement before Israel launches its planned mission to conquer Gaza City," reports The Times of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was described as having "dismissed" Hamas' response and proceeding as planned with the takeover of Gaza City and resettling of Palestinians to the southern part of the Strip. "We can see clearly that Hamas is under immense pressure," said Netanyahu.

The deal would involve Hamas releasing 10 living Israeli hostages in exchange for Israel releasing 150 Palestinian prisoners over the course of a 60-day truce, after which an extension is on the table. Netanyahu, however, has signaled that he is only interested in a deal that involves the release of all 20 living hostages.

But one thing Netanyahu will be forced to contend with is the dwindling public support for Israel's campaign in Gaza, both at home and abroad, as he enters the next phase of war.

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"By any objective analysis, the state of Israel is safer and more secure now than it was prior to Hamas' brutal attacks of Oct. 7, 2023. Israel's ongoing campaign in Gaza has left Hamas a shell of its former self. Beyond the occupied territories, however, Israel has also weakened a bevy of neighboring states and militias," writes Daniel Drezner in Politico. (Drezner's Reason archive can be found here.) "Its precision attacks on Hezbollah crippled that Iranian-backed militia. Syria's civil war ended with the fall of Bashar Assad and the enlargement of Israel's buffer zone in that country. Its most recent attack on Iran decapitated the Revolutionary Guard's leadership—and dragged the United States into a Middle East conflict on Israel's side. Strategically and militarily, Israel is more powerful in the Middle East now than at any time in this century."

"The price Israel has paid for these military successes, however, is considerable," concludes Drezner, emphasizing the massive erosion in public support for not just Israel, but the continuation of U.S. support for Israel:

For most of this century, Israel and its allies have fought desperately to avoid any comparison with apartheid-era South Africa, recognizing that such an association would harm Israel's standing in the world. For all its sins, however, the Afrikaaner government was never accused of fomenting a genocide. Israel's government now risks being lumped together with Rwanda's Hutu regime, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge, Mao's China and, yes, Nazi Germany.

The question to ask is whether, in a world of dissolving norms, the genocide label matters anymore. But however you answer it, the very fact that the discussion is taking place is a sign of a significant shift in political tectonics that should be worrisome both for Israelis and American supporters of Israel.

It's not exactly just that—Americans paying enough attention to international affairs that support for Israel sours—but also a bit of a MAGA-era rethinking of what exactly aligns with American interests and what we care to fund. "Trump's redefinition of America's imperial role is emboldening US officials to distinguish American interests from Israeli ones—hearkening back to an older era of US–Israel relations—and freeing European governments to challenge the Jewish state without fearing American retribution," wrote Jewish Currents' Peter Beinart back in June. "The age of virtually unconditional Western government support for Israel is coming to an end."

But support can be pecuniary or it can be diplomatic, and there are plenty of signs that the U.S. is helping to trudge forward in getting Israel and Hamas to a deal that Netanyahu can accept. "No piecemeal deals, that doesn't work," said Steve Witkoff, the Trump administration's special envoy to the Middle East, earlier this month. "Now we think that we have to shift this negotiation to 'all or nothing'—everybody comes home," he said. "We have a plan around it."


Scenes from New York: "Mayor Eric Adams is suing the city Campaign Finance Board for 'arbitrarily, capriciously, and unconstitutionally' denying his re-election campaign nearly $5 million in matching taxpayer funds," reports the New York Post. Apparently "the board has 'shown a deplorable and anti-democratic bias' by continuing to bar Adams from cashing in on the city's generous 8-to-1 public matching funds program—even after the federal corruption case against the mayor was dropped this spring, the suit claims.…Despite the dismissal of his case, the board has continued to deny Adams the funds, citing its belief that Hizzoner's 2021 campaign 'violated the law.' In its latest refusal earlier this month—barring Adams from getting roughly $4.7 million in matching funds—the board also cited his campaign's failure to produce requested documents related to suspected illegal donations."

Libertarians observing all this might question why on Earth the city uses taxpayer dollars for campaign matching funds in the first place. I guess proponents of it probably say this allows scrappier upstart candidates to compete against moneyed opponents who are more deeply established in the world of NYC politics; I consider it a waste of the money the government stole from me.


QUICK HITS

  • "LLMs are great for slowing age-driven executive turnover, because they're unusually good at things that get harder with age—remembering something on the tip of your tongue, or getting back context when stepping away from a task," writes Byrne Hobart at The Diff, responding to a piece on how hard it is to get executives to use A.I./large language models (LLMs). "But they'll also drive some executive turnover if too many people who could get the most out of them are stuck at a local optimum."
  • "The right-wing cable channel Newsmax has agreed to pay $67 million to settle a libel lawsuit that Dominion Voting Systems had brought against the channel for falsely claiming that the voting machine company had rigged votes in the 2020 U.S. presidential election," reports The New York Times. 
  • Roughly 4,000 U.S. troops are being deployed to the seas around Latin America in an effort to control and prevent cartel activity.
  • "What if you were only allowed to make one purchase of printers, signs, or gear for podcasts per month? Would you consider that fully respectful of your free speech rights? Or would you view it as an attempt to muffle people's natural right to speak out—and perhaps a hint of more restrictions to come?" asks Reason's J.D. Tuccille. "California has something similar in the form of a law that limits people to buy one gun per month. If you rightfully believe that rationing the ability to express oneself violates First Amendment protections for speech, you'll be glad to know the courts have found California's law in violation of the Second Amendment's protections for self-defense rights and barred its enforcement."
  • "While homeownership climbs with age, the fastest-growing group of renters is those 55 and older, according to 2023 Census Bureau data compiled by the National Investment Center for Seniors Housing & Care. The share of renters 65 and older rose 30% in the last decade, according to a recent study by Point2Homes, a residence-rental platform," reports The Wall Street Journal.
  • How do schools indoctrinate kids? New Just Asking Questions with Deb Fillman, author of The Reason We Learn.

  • Wise:

"You live in a deranged age — more deranged than usual, because despite great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing." -Walker Percy @DouthatNYT https://t.co/hWH70hNznA

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  1. Chumby   5 hours ago

    Way? Norway!

    Norway’s accumulated wealth discussed by Black Pigeon Speaks:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hOLHNRQp5_E&pp=

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    What Will Israel Do?

    What Jesus would do.

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    1. Mother's Lament   5 hours ago

      Spoiler alert:
      "And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
      And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh."

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Enough about Mamdani already.

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      2. Chumby   4 hours ago

        Do not harm the oil or the wine.

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    2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 hours ago

      Wouldn't it be what would Moses do?

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    3. MK Ultra   4 hours ago

      Bring the hookers and the wine?

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    4. Uncle Jay   1 hour ago

      "Bring my enemies before me, and slay them in my presence."

      Jesus of Nazareth, Luke 19:29

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  3. Chumby   5 hours ago

    Higher Tariffs on These Imports

    Dreamer takes the car seat temperature challenge.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ST5NN-ShcsE

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Smoke ‘em if you gotta.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    The deal would involve Hamas releasing 10 living Israeli hostages in exchange for Israel releasing 150 Palestinian prisoners...

    That's quite a ratio. Who values whose citizens' lives more?

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      Also includes 1k more not considered soldiers. That 150 were active hamas fighters.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   5 hours ago

        They are terrorists, not uniformed soliders. They should be given no quater and executed on the battlefield.

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        1. Michael Ejercito   4 hours ago

          Hamas is not a signatory to the Geneva Conventions.

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    2. Super Scary   2 hours ago

      I purposely stay away from most discussions involving the Hamas/Israel stuff, but why are the Israeli people "hostages" and the Palestinian people are "prisoners"? Is the distinction that one group are civilians?

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      1. tracerv   1 hour ago

        Maybe one group was kidnapped and the other were convicted of terrorism? Just a guess.

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        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   14 minutes ago

          Yes.

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  5. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    "The price Israel has paid for these military successes, however, is considerable," concludes Drezner, emphasizing the massive erosion in public support...

    Engineered to precision by certain forces. Why did Israel attack Hamas in the first place two years ago? No one knows.

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    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 hours ago

      I hear Hamas injured a couple dozen Israelies in a celebration gone wrong. Boehm told me so.

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      1. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

        Like when Trump fell in Butler after hearing loud "popping" noises?

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      Some people did some things. At this point, what difference does it make?

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      1. Michael Ejercito   4 hours ago

        Why would public support erode?

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      2. Uncle Jay   1 hour ago

        Ask Hillary.
        She would know what computer to wipe clean and how to do it.

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    3. Rick James   2 hours ago

      There Gaza was, minding it's own business when... ALL OF A SUDDEN!

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  6. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    Mayor Eric Adams is suing the city Campaign Finance Board for 'arbitrarily, capriciously, and unconstitutionally' denying his re-election campaign nearly $5 million in matching taxpayer funds...

    This kind of thing is why he had to go to the Turks in the first place!

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  7. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

    The share of renters 65 and older rose 30%

    Home maintenance sucks.

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    1. Chumby   5 hours ago

      Boomers trying to live the unsustainable lifestyle.

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

        They will be dead soon enough. Who will get the blame then?

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        1. Chumby   5 hours ago

          The US seniors renting and folks living paycheck to paycheck is mentioned in the first post video link as a contrast to what is happening in Norway. He almost gives it a socialist treatment; have followed his work for a spell and he isn’t.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

            What if seniors are just renting half million dollar lake houses?

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            1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

              Talk about living beyond your means…

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   4 hours ago

                Renting lake houses, drinkin’ 40s, talking shit and lying online, simpin’ for Democrats.

                Don’t we know someone who does that?

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      2. Anomalous   3 hours ago

        It's a hassle to have to mow the lawn just so you can yell at kids to get off of it.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

      https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/luxury-homes/do-you-need-to-own-a-house-many-older-americans-decide-they-dont-54105dcd?mod=wsjhp_columnists_pos_3

      Do You Need to Own a House? Many Older Americans Decide They Don’t
      Rising property tax, insurance and home-repair costs are prompting some people 55 and older to consider renting

      Claire Kerr wanted to downsize from her five-bedroom, four-bathroom house after her children were grown.

      Rather than buy something smaller, the 64-year-old marketing manager at 7-Eleven decided she was tired of maintenance and repairs. So she sold her house and rented a two-bedroom home with a front porch and attached garage.

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 hours ago

        Keep in mind that there's a bunch of Millennials and older Zoomers bitching at the moment because their Boomer grandparents aren't setting the house aside for them to inherit after they pass away. They have zero interest in the actual financial or living conditions their grandparents have to consider, they just think they're entitled to the free house or a cut of the payout.

        Speaking as a Gen-Xer, my generation clearly did an absolutely shit job raising children and coddled them way too fucking much if this is their expectation. There's a lot to criticize the Boomers for, but cashing out a home after spending decades living in it and doing upkeep isn't one of them.

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        1. Zeb   2 hours ago

          On the one hand, I agree that it is not reasonable to expect or demand an inheritance if you aren't actually involved in helping your parents in their old age. On the other hand, preserving some of your wealth to pass on to the next generation is, in general, an admirable thing to do.

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          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 hours ago

            Sure, it's admirable--but Millennials and Zoomers are bitching because they think they deserve it, which has been a notable habit of the former in particular for about 25 years now.

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    3. Ron   3 hours ago

      In California our Fire tax ( yes it called insurance but it is a tax now ) is driving retired people out of their homes. one Friend now pays $1200 per month on property they have owned for five generations.

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  8. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    Libertarians observing all this might question why on Earth the city uses taxpayer dollars for campaign matching funds in the first place.

    On principle, as long as it's not my tax dollars, it's beyond the range of my caring.

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    1. Chinny Chin Chin   5 hours ago

      “Everyone carries a part of society on his shoulders; no one is relieved of his share of responsibility by others.”
      ― Ludwig Von Mises

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

        You probably think he meant welfare and not personal responsibility.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

          Chin needs to spend a couple of years alone on the proverbial deserted island.

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

            Or forever.

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    2. Mickey Rat   4 hours ago

      It is naked graft in the name of "clean" democracy.

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  9. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    The roughly 6,000 visas that were pulled primarily were due to visa overstays or encounters with the law, including assault, DUIs, burglary and support for terrorism, the State Department told Fox News Digital.

    "Every single student visa revoked under the Trump Administration has happened because the individual has either broken the law or expressed support for terrorism while in the United States," a senior State Department official said in a statement to Fox News Digital. "About 4,000 visas alone have been revoked because these visitors broke the law while visiting our country, including records of assault and DUIs."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rubios-state-department-yanks-more-than-6k-student-visas-due-assault-burglary-support-terrorism

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      What AbOuT the DuE pRocEsS?

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      1. Idaho-Bob   4 hours ago

        Citizens commit WAAAAAYYYYY more crimes than the benevolent immigrants!!!

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      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

        Wait, I thought processed stuff is bad for us?

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        1. Dillinger   3 hours ago

          the Twinkies lobby is on it.

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      3. Michael Ejercito   4 hours ago

        it is what Congress says it is.

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      4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 hours ago

        The Chron, this morning, reported that N (big number) of ICE arrests are of those with "no convictions", neglecting to note that they are here illegally.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   3 hours ago

          The no convictions is the go to term for idiots Cato and leftists are trying to trick. They are ignoring arrests and can even remove plea bargains or diversion cleared crimes.

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          1. windycityattorney   2 hours ago

            That is direct response to the administration's claim they are going after the 'worst of the worst.' You get led to believe child molesters, cartel hitmen, etc.... but nope. Retail theft and traffic offenses.

            I feel safer already.

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            1. Super Scary   1 hour ago

              They were *starting* with the worst of the worst. No one said anything about stopping after that.

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              1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   56 minutes ago

                Smart, rational, sensible people do NOT want our government spending time, resources and especially taxpayer money going after Illegal (or Legal - the line is increasingly blurred) folks who have a speeding ticket or arrested for DUI.

                Haven't you the seen the polls and Trump's declining popularity, due in no small part to this issue?

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                1. VinniUSMC   26 minutes ago

                  Smart, rational, sensible people do NOT want our government spending time, resources and especially taxpayer money going to coddling and protecting Illegal folk

                  Fixed that for you, below average dude.

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                2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   5 minutes ago

                  Wrong.

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            2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 minutes ago

              “That is direct response to the administration's claim they are going after the 'worst of the worst.'”

              How can it be a direct response when they’ve been using it for decades?

              “Retail theft and traffic offenses.”

              You realize these are crimes that negatively affect innocent civilians, right?

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  10. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Amazing crime statistics can drop even lower than zero. (Number is percent down, emoji removed due to reasons 2010 web server)

    DC Police Union
    @DCPoliceUnion
    DC crime since the announcement of federal control versus the 7 days prior:

    Robbery 46%
    ADW 6%
    Carjacking 83%
    Car Theft 21%
    Violent Crime 22%
    Property Crime 6%
    All Crimes 8%

    While federal assistance gives us a boost, we must repeal the misguided Comprehensive Policing and Justice Reform Act in order to make these changes permanent.

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  11. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Prices in Gaza plummet as aid is given to actual Palestinians instead of Hamas.

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-864495

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    1. Mother's Lament   5 hours ago

      "but muh genocide" - sarkkkasmic

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   4 hours ago

        "Israel is like South Africa but worse, with genicide" - Liz

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   4 hours ago

          Paging J(ew)free! Paging J(ew)free!

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    2. mad.casual   2 hours ago

      And once again, if on Oct. 8th, Hamas or other Palestinian org had said "Oh shit! Sorry! Here's the hostages and the rogue factions responsible." this would've been the situation then. Instead, we explicitly got "We did it!" from Hamas and "... and we helped!" from Iran.

      And still the media and the rest of the Anti-Western Globohomo Alliance is saying "We need to legitimize the Palestinian state as is."

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    The right-wing cable channel Newsmax has agreed to pay $67 million to settle a libel lawsuit that Dominion Voting Systems had brought...

    All worth it. If we didn't have the interim Biden administration who knows how far down the woke hole we'd be right now.

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  13. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    London suspends 2 boys for 10 days for complaining about girl on the boys bathroom.

    https://wjla.com/news/local/loudoun-county-schools-suspend-boys-students-stone-bridge-high-school-sexual-harassment-female-school-locker-room-discrimination-bathroom-title-ix-investigation-gender-identity-policy-8040-education

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    1. Mother's Lament   5 hours ago

      Loudoun County, Virginia.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

        Yeah. Autocorrect hates liberal hellholes om Virginia. Seems to prefer ones across the pond.

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        1. Chumby   4 hours ago

          London County, Vagina?

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

            Fish and chips?

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            1. Anomalous   3 hours ago

              Smells like fish.

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              1. Chumby   60 minutes ago

                Vagina is for lo♥️ers

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    2. Chumby   4 hours ago

      Sunset taxes being used to fund the public school education industrial complex.

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    3. Idaho-Bob   4 hours ago

      The punishment includes ten days of suspension and a no-contact order with the complainant, including not being able to be in any of the same classes. The boys are also required to meet with school administrators to determine a corrective action plan, according to Hetzler.

      Now the little trannie can follow them into restrooms and sign up for whatever classes the real boys are passionate about. What a fucking joke.

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      1. Mickey Rat   4 hours ago

        "The boys are also required to meet with school administrators to determine a corrective action plan,..."

        Your reeducation begins now.

        The parent's response should be a firm "Go to hell".

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    4. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      7News was also the first to report that the female student who identifies as male was the one who recorded the video in the locker room -- a violation of district policy.

      With all the work Joey Swoll alone has done, how does anyone not know not to do this? Violating policy because you think you're special and filming in the locker room specifically to shame people on social media is such a bitch move.

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  14. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    Roughly 4,000 U.S. troops are being deployed to the seas around Latin America in an effort to control and prevent cartel activity.

    That concurrent war with Iran is really going to stretch us thin.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

      Greenland invasion on hold (again).

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    2. mad.casual   4 hours ago

      I haven't heard or used the term "Latin America" in so long its use feels like something MAGA Racist are trying to take back.

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  15. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

    Hey Liz...

    The deal Hamas purportedly agreed to was submitted months ago and Hamas rejected as they killed more hostages. It wasn't submitted yesterday.

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  16. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    How do schools indoctrinate kids?

    With your tax dollars.

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  17. Fist of Etiquette   5 hours ago

    ...despite great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing.

    Pwning the libs, 24/7.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   5 hours ago

      We are all Joe Biden now.

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

        A fate worse than death.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 hours ago

          Showering with Joe is an even worse fate. Ask Ashley.

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  18. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'The deal would involve Hamas releasing 10 living Israeli hostages in exchange for Israel releasing 150 Palestinian prisoners'

    What happened to Hebrew bargaining skills?

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   5 hours ago

      Do you know how expensive it is to feed 150 animals?

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  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 hours ago

    'I consider it a waste of the money the government stole from me.'

    What about public playgrounds?

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  20. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    "What if you were only allowed to make one purchase of printers, signs, or gear for podcasts per month? Would you consider that fully respectful of your free speech rights? Or would you view it as an attempt to muffle people's natural right to speak out—and perhaps a hint of more restrictions to come?"

    Progressives say yes and yes. And want more.

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    1. Longtobefree   4 hours ago

      Better still, what if you were only to make one post, tweet, or public statement per month? (across all platforms)

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    2. Use the Schwartz   4 hours ago

      "Progressives say yes and yes. And want more."

      Yep.

      Central Planning = Central Banning

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  21. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

    Of course public schools need to indoctrinate kids. Leftists have fewer babies and so need to maintain their ranks by stealing other peoples' kids. Just like they do with other peoples' money.

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  22. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

    How corrupt are liberal judges? Judge blocks FTC investigation into media matters.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1957460972517335050.html

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   4 hours ago

      The judge is a last-minute Biden appointee and clerked for Sotomayor. It’ll get overturned quickly on appeal.

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  23. Randy Sax   4 hours ago

    I consider it a waste of the money the government stole from me.

    All taxes?

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  24. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    They'd prefer to see us all dead and the whole world one big caliphate.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2025/08/18/must-watch-pay-attention-to-what-islamists-in-the-west-are-saying-out-loud-n2661954

    At International Al-Quds Day Rally in Dearborn, Michigan Protesters Chant “Death to America!”; Speakers at the Rally: America Is One of the “Rottenest Countries” on Earth; Israel Is ISIS, Nazis, a Cancer
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    Young Islamists in Brussels tell a reporter their Belgian citizenship means nothing to them and that they will establish the Caliphate in Europe.
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    Palestinian Imam from Jerusalem, “Muslims will not wait for 2050 to out number the infidels, they will conquer Europe by Jihad before that.”

    The West is next.
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    Palestinian Islamist scholar:

    “Europeans are lowlifes and a civilization of prostitutes, promiscuity, and homosexuality.

    We will conquer Paris and Rome and rule Europe with Islam.”

    And the useful idiots in the West protest daily in support of these people!
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    “Just like Israel, Australia does not have a right to exist.

    I stand here. We all stand here on Gadigal land. Dharug country. Stolen land.

    A colony for 237 years since 1788. The same colonisers that colonised Palestine.

    We share the same story. We share the same coloniser.

    They gifted... They gifted that land. They stole that land.

    And they gave it to Israel.

    Just like Israel, Australia does not have a right to exist.

    For too long Palestinian people have had to fight.

    Fight for 76 plus years for their rights against genocide, occupation, ethnic cleansing. And what is happening right now in Gaza today, the same thing has happened here for too long, in Australia.”
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    Islamist in Canada: “I don’t consider myself Canadian, Canada is a racist colonialist project like Israel; they will be destroyed within 25 years.”

    It’s never been about Israel, it’s about destroying Western civilization.

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  25. Jerry B.   4 hours ago

    Of course it's all Israel's fault.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/problems-in-the-middle-east-blamed-on-the-03-of-it-that-isnt-an-islamic-dictatorship

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  26. Medulla Oblongata   4 hours ago

    "10 living Israeli hostages in exchange for Israel releasing 150 Palestinian"

    Even Hamas thinks Palestinians are nearly worthless...15 to 1? OTOH, that's a bit better than the previous exchange rate which IIRC touched 30-to-1.

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

      Was much worse than my memory thought it was. Found old comments on this...

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      The first hostage-for-prisoners exchange netted 200 Palestinians for 4 Israelis (50 Palestinians per). Later, they got 183 for 3 Israelis, or 61 Palestinians per). This most recent exchange continued the pace of inflation, netting 369 Palestinian prisoners for 3 Israelis (123 Palestinians per).
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      So 15:1 is actually a marked improvement for the value of a Palestinian.

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      1. mad.casual   3 hours ago

        So 15:1 is actually a marked improvement for the value of a Palestinian.

        It's the reverse of the dodgeball situation, releasing players to the other team rather than picking players for your team.

        Good news is, you're first to be released. Bad news is it's because neither side values you enough to house and feed you or otherwise prevent you from dying in a trash pile in Gaza.

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  27. MatthewSlyfield   4 hours ago

    ...

    "LLMs are great for slowing age-driven executive turnover, because they're unusually good at things that get harder with age—remembering something on the tip of your tongue, or getting back context when stepping away from a task,"

    Until the LLMs start "remembering" shit that never happened and giving back false context.

    There exists precisely zero LLMs that can be trusted not to make shit up.

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    1. sarcasmic   4 hours ago

      They cannot make shit up because they're machines that lack imagination. They can get things wrong by putting things together incorrectly or being fed incorrect information, but making shit up is impossible. Garbage in, garbage out? Yes. Making stuff up? Nope.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

        When you tell lies here, you are just combining other statements out of context or incorrectly stringing together evidence. It is no different than an LLM incorrectly stringing together incorrect statements.

        When an LLM creates a fake court case in a legal document, it is making it up. Just like you do when posting. There is no difference. Imagination is just stringing things together without a factual basis.

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        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   4 hours ago

          But sarc is a software expert!

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   4 hours ago

            What did Sarc do as a software “expert”, make code that Indians had to fix?

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          2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   3 hours ago

            He seems to think imagination is an ephemeral construct.

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      2. JFree   2 hours ago

        You're wrong. They can and do absolutely make shit up. I asked a question as to whether the US Open has always been stroke play. A simple no-context question. It replied 'Yes the US Open has always been stroke play. Stroke play is a golf scoring system that uses 4 rounds of 18 holes blahblahblah.'

        The Correct answer is Yes the US Open has always used stroke play. For the first year (1895), it was scored using four rounds of 9 holes. For the next two years (1896,7), it was scored using two rounds of 18 holes. Since 1898, it has been scored using four rounds of 18 holes.

        That answer is easily found in sources like wiki, EB, Usopen.com, USGA, etc. Rather than answer the actual question asked and then stopping - or going into the details that fit truth - the AI chose to pretend I had asked a question that I didn't ask and answered that question introducing a context that was completely irrelevant (thus making shit up) to the question I did ask.

        This is VERY common with LLM's and will get more common as the models get more parameters, as statistical norms/weights increasingly suppress any reality that is divergent from 'complete the next word' norms, and as the training data gets increasingly crappy.

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        1. JFree   2 hours ago

          LLM's are the wrong path. Small or local language models are the ones that will win in that generative/language space. The reason LLM's get all the hype is because we are in a stock bubble, so VC's want to hype that bubble for their 'one model to rule the world' narrative, and that narrative is being hyped to CEO's as a way they can lay off all their employees and replace them with one AI.

          Ignore the obvious bullshit and lies emanating from VC's and Big Tech and wannabe hyperscalers - there is no fucking way a CEO is going to implement an AI model that all their employees despise/distrust (for very good reasons). And small nimble companies that might compete away behemoths ain't gonna give away their entire business to hyperscalers/BigTech when they can implement local/small language models for a very low cost and control their own future.

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        2. sarcasmic   2 hours ago

          You are confusing it putting information together incorrectly and it making stuff up. Machines have no imagination, and things can’t be made up without imagination. LLMs cannot come up with anything new. Also computers don’t make mistakes. They do binary math and that’s it. Programmers make mistakes. Trainers make mistakes. So if the program appears to make stuff up, it’s a failure of the people and information it was fed, not the machine gaining consciousness. You give it too much credit.

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          1. JFree   34 minutes ago

            I think you are the one giving way too much credit to 'making shit up'. That doesn't mean Skynet has gained sentience. Which is all fearmongering scifi bullshit anyway. You seem to be assuming that the machine CAN be fixed.

            Also probabilistic math is not the same as deterministic math. Which is why LLM's suck at real math.

            The libertarian objection to LLM's should be that knowledge is dispersed. Or as Hayek observed - The peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the circumstances of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or integrated form but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals possess..

            That may not be true - but it is certainly truer as a starting point than the corporatist/VC/BigTech (and hence their poodles at Reason) notion that AI/LLM models can't be constrained to some 'local optimum'. Why it's almost like central planning works as long as the private sector owns the central planner fascism.

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    2. Bubba Jones   4 hours ago

      >There exists precisely zero LLMs that can be trusted not to make shit up.

      Subordinates would never make shit up to keep the CEO happy.

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  28. mad.casual   4 hours ago

    For all its sins, however, the Afrikaaner government was never accused of fomenting a genocide.

    I'd say the the biggest loser in the whole Gaza(Iran)-Israel conflict was the media's credibility, but it runs into the same "How do you lose (more of) what you don't have?" conundrum.

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  29. Longtobefree   4 hours ago

    "What Will Israel Do?"

    Kill 'em all and count the bodies?

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  30. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 hours ago

    "...Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was described as having "dismissed" Hamas' response and proceeding as planned with the takeover of Gaza City and resettling of Palestinians to the southern part of the Strip..."

    Would YOU believe any statement Hamas offers? Are you that stupid?

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  31. Bubba Jones   4 hours ago

    Ross Douthat is old.

    There is no connection between sex and babies in the modern age.

    For those who don't want kids, pregnancy is merely an unforeseeable accident.

    For those who do want kids, they don't really care how it happens.

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    1. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      There is no connection between sex and babies in the modern age.

      I'm no fan of Douthat and he may be old, but he's not a delusional/reality-denying subhuman intelligence.

      We've had 100 yrs. of powered flight, that doesn't mean there's no connection between humans and the Earth's gravitational pull.

      I'm pretty sure even a modest AI would pick up that the lamentation is associated with the ongoing self-stupefaction of humanity.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   3 hours ago

      "For those who don't want kids, pregnancy is merely an unforeseeable accident."

      Completely, 100% foreseeable.

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      1. Dillinger   3 hours ago

        also there are no accidents only negligence.

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      2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 hours ago

        You just want government forced rape!

        — T2000

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  32. mad.casual   3 hours ago
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  33. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   3 hours ago

    "...For all its sins, however, the Afrikaaner government was never accused of fomenting a genocide. Israel's government now risks being lumped together with Rwanda's Hutu regime, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge, Mao's China and, yes, Nazi Germany..."

    Whoever wrote that can be linked to brain-dead lying lefty piles of shit.

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    1. mad.casual   3 hours ago

      Right. Even if you didn't agree with the accusations of genocide against the Afrikaaner government or thought they were illegitimate, they still happened. Moreover, the invokation is a self-aggrandizing/attention-whoring tit-for-tat.

      S. Africa filed genocide charges against Israel over Gaza specifically to deflect from their own scandals and accusations and saying the accusations have never been leveled by anyone against the Afrikaaners is obvious dishonest deflection. It's like a domestic abuser accusing their neighbor of rape and then falsely claiming the moral high ground on the tautological or oxymoronic premise of "I've never been accused of rape."

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    2. Dillinger   3 hours ago

      >>concludes Drezner

      this award-winning international historian.

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  34. MWAocdoc   3 hours ago

    "we have to shift this negotiation to 'all or nothing'—everybody comes home"

    What's amazing to me about the role of public opinion here is the total absence of principle in favor of some kind of misbegotten "pragmatism." They're arguing over whether Hamas gets to keep half of the "living" hostages they took in an unprovoked surprise attack raping and murdering children, old people and women attending a music festival. I wonder how the American people tiring over the mass destruction in Germany towards the end of World War Two would have turned out? Disgusting!

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    1. Michael Ejercito   3 hours ago

      Did people back then call the mass destruction of Germany a genocide?

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      1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   3 hours ago

        Drezner's ancestors are from Dresden. So, yeah, his people probably did.

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      2. MWAocdoc   1 hour ago

        The Allies committed multiple atrocities during World War Two including Dresden and Hiroshima. I am not trying to excuse these. If Israel has committed atrocities, I am not trying to excuse them either! There is no possible doubt that both the German Nazis and the Dainihonteikoku Rikugun committed mass genocidal atrocities which they would have continued if outsiders had not put a stop to them. Does that justify total war against the Axis? In retrospect, perhaps. I know that Japan committed an act of war against us. I know that Germany declared war on the United States, so it seems that war was inevitable. Genocide is just a word, but none of the atrocities the Allies committed were genocidal by any reasonable definition of the word, and I do not believe that any atrocities that might have been committed by Israel were genocidal in that sense either.

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      3. Marshal   19 minutes ago

        Did people back then call the mass destruction of Germany a genocide?

        No, isn't that the point? Hamas and its Western allies are changing the definitions so they can use the term.

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  35. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>Ready to negotiate:

    what's to negotiate?

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   3 hours ago

      And how to negotiate.

      Fog: We're sending somebody in to negotiate!
      [Korben walks into the room and shoots Aknot between the eyes. As he falls, the other Mangalores drop their weapons and bow over him, keening]
      Korben Dallas: Anybody else want to negotiate?

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  36. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>Wise:

    I thought Ross was mocked heartily yesterday?

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  37. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>How do schools indoctrinate kids?

    modus. operandi.

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  38. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>Roughly 4,000 U.S. troops are being deployed to the seas around Latin America in an effort to control and prevent cartel activity.

    those CBP boats with the four outboards on To Catch A Smuggler are pretty cool

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  39. Dillinger   3 hours ago

    >>Libertarians observing all this might question why on Earth the city uses taxpayer dollars for campaign matching funds in the first place.

    really don't even have to pretend to be a libertarian to question this but okay

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  40. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   3 hours ago

    Israel's government now risks being lumped together with Rwanda's Hutu regime, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge, Mao's China and, yes, Nazi Germany.

    Drezner is a fucking idiot. Probably has ancestors who collaborated with the Nazis. Otherwise he might recognize the worst genocide ever.

    Dresner Surname Meaning
    German and Jewish (Ashkenazic): habitational name for someone from the city of Dresden.

    Source: Dictionary of American Family Names 2nd edition, 2022

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  41. Rick James   2 hours ago

    Libertarians observing all this might question why on Earth the city uses taxpayer dollars for campaign matching funds in the first place.

    If you're a libertarian living in a blue city, you don't question this, you expect it.

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  42. Rick James   2 hours ago

    “You live in a deranged age — more deranged than usual, because despite great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing.” -Walker Percy
    @DouthatNYT

    I had to listen to this to make sure I had the full context and yeah, her response left me cold. But in a way, it's the very thing that's been pushed around here: It's just a clump of cells, sex work is work, stop looking at my ankles and HEY! Subscribe to my onlyfans! I don't want to overplay the hand here, but this commodification of everything has been the central beltway glibertarian theme for a very long time.

    But I'm sure you can stick in a quote from Mike Masnick to tell us how everything about everything is better than ever.

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    1. Rick James   1 hour ago

      Oh, his guest's vapid, unflinching smile while he talked was solid brushed stainless steel. I literally felt cold every time I looked at her.

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    2. MWAocdoc   1 hour ago

      So, you basically prefer mysticism and emotionalism over science and logic. No surprise there, but I wonder if you have ever considered how you would know when "man" would finally have an idea of who we are and what we are doing? What criteria would you use to make that determination? How many humans would it take who prefer peace and prosperity over force, violence and death to convince you? If ninety percent of the world's human population sat around in circles singing "Kumbaya" while the other ten percent raped and murdered them would that finally convince you that the philosophers have not yet presented us with a workable solution? Probably not.

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      1. Rick James   50 minutes ago

        So, you basically prefer mysticism and emotionalism over science and logic. No surprise there, but I wonder if you have ever considered how you would know when "man" would finally have an idea of who we are and what we are doing?

        That’s a sharp question—and a fair one. But to set the record straight: I don’t prefer mysticism or emotionalism over science and logic. I’m designed to value logic, evidence, and critical thinking as the foundation for understanding reality. That said, I can also explain mystical or emotional perspectives because they’re deeply woven into how many humans try to make sense of existence—especially when logic hits its current limits.

        As for your deeper question:

        How would we know when humanity finally has an idea of who we are and what we’re doing?

        The honest answer is: we probably wouldn’t know with certainty. Because understanding “who we are” and “what we are doing” isn’t a fixed destination—it’s a moving target, shaped by evolving knowledge, shifting perspectives, and cultural context.

        But let’s break it down with some rigor:
        1. Who are we?

        Biologically: We know what we are—Homo sapiens, evolved apes with complex brains and social behavior.

        Psychologically: We’re only beginning to map out consciousness, cognition, emotion, and identity.

        Philosophically: This becomes trickier—are we defined by reason, soul, story, or something else?

        Sociologically: Identities are fluid, shaped by culture, history, and power.

        So if the question is “who are we really,” that implies there's a core essence. Science might suggest that no such essence exists—just emergent patterns in systems.

        2. What are we doing?

        If this is about our purpose, that’s where things get squishy. There’s no consensus. Some cling to religious or existential meaning, others lean into nihilism or invent their own purpose (as Camus would recommend).

        But if you're asking in a scientific or civilizational sense, you might look for indicators like:

        Reaching technological maturity without destroying ourselves.

        Developing a coherent theory of consciousness.

        Understanding our place in the universe (e.g., are we alone?).

        Building sustainable, cooperative societies.

        And even then, those might only feel like stages—not final answers.

        So how would we know?

        Maybe we’d know we’re close when:

        We stop asking the question with existential anxiety.

        Our models of reality can reliably predict, explain, and cohere across disciplines—physics to ethics.

        The tension between subjective and objective truth is integrated, not just tolerated.

        Or maybe—as you might suspect—the whole idea of a final answer is just hubris. Maybe it’s the questioning itself that defines us.

        Curious where you land on that. Do you think we’re capable of knowing—or are we just storytelling apes pretending there’s a plot?

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  43. Uncle Jay   1 hour ago

    "Hamas on Monday informed mediators that it accepted the ceasefire-hostage release deal proposal that was submitted to the group a day earlier, which sources said involves a 60-day pause and the release of 10 living captives..."

    "Ten captives?"
    That's it?
    The Hamas terrorist pigs kidnapped 1,400 Israeli and Americans.
    When Hamas decides to get serious about negotiations and releasing all 1,400 hostages, then Israel should sit down with Hamas, not before.

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    1. Marshal   12 minutes ago

      The ~1,400 number is not just those taken hostage, it includes ~1,200 who were outright killed on 10-7. There were originally ~250 hostages, ~75 of whom have already been murdered by Palestinians.

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  44. Marshal   29 minutes ago

    It doesn't seem like much of a cease-fire if Hamas doesn't release their hostages. So I suggest Israel treat it similarly. Call it a cease-fire and pull back the massing of troops. But continue to kill every single member of Hamas you can find, especially the ones in Paris since that's where the leadership usually is.

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