MAGA Frat Guys and Bitter Incels Agree: Sorority Girls Are Objects
Some right-wing influencers love sorority girls because they're hot. Others hate them...because they're hot.
It's August, which means the weather's hot, everyone in D.C. is on vacation, and people on X are having meltdowns about sorority recruitment TikTok videos. It seems that the right-wing internet can't decide whether the videos of attractive young women dancing to pop songs are a sign that President Donald Trump has indeed made America great again, or a harbinger of societal collapse.
"America is BACK and the Democrats hate it," reads a representative August 10 post from conservative commentator Brigitte Gabriel on X. The post, which includes a video of a crowd of young women dancing to Michael Jackson's "Smooth Criminal," has over 2.7 million views.
That same day, another conservative user shared a similar video, this time writing in a post with over 3.5 million views, "Why are so many conservatives celebrating the sorority recruitment videos, saying 'America Is Back!' Do people not realize all these girls are going to be passed around for four years by the football and basketball guys?"
This reaction—a divide between delight and disgust—reveals a cultural rift on the online right. On the one hand, many MAGA conservatives view the popularity of these videos as a sign that wokeness is dead. Body positivity, which held that all bodies are equally beautiful and beauty standards were essentially sexist and racist, has been discarded in favor of a resurgence of early-aughts fat shaming. Male horniness, too, has had a comeback. After a decade of male sexuality being treated as inherently lecherous and dangerous, raunch is once again tolerated in public life. One can practically hear the boioioioing sound effect from Looney Tunes leaping from posts bragging about "Amazing jeans," "America's Prettiest Sororities," and"Fit, attractive white women in sororities having fun."
Many of these X users are particularly fixated on the idea that these videos make liberals angry—despite essentially no evidence that the left is responding with outrage. In fact, many left-wing X users pointed out the apparent contradiction between recent right-wing outrage over similar videos of young women dancing. While plenty of these online commenters are opportunistic hypocrites, another explanation is that it is essentially different groups of people responding to these points of controversy.
While the frat boy right loves these women because they make them horny, there's another segment of the right that hates these women…because they make them horny.
That's because there's an equal and opposite reaction from what can best be described as the incel right—men who, whether or not they are actually involuntarily celibate, buy into a series of distorted beliefs about human sexuality: that most women are hypersexual and hyperpromiscuous, and that a significant minority of men will never be able to get sex because all women are spending too much time seeking the attention of the most attractive men. This attitude has manifested in an obsession with the supposed "body counts" of college sorority girls.
"The larger the school, the more prevalent the promiscuity is," reads a representative reply on the viral X post insisting that sorority members will get "passed around" by athletes. "'All' girls may be hyperbole, but 60-70% is probably accurate."
"Most of the girls I knew growing up had 10 bodies by the time they graduated fuckin high school. Lol 4 sex partners over a lifetime my fuckin ass," one X user posted in response to a post I made pointing out that the median woman has only slept with a few people.
"Yet every 18 year old girl opens an OF," another user insisted.
One possible answer for this fixation on female body counts is that incels are, by definition, not meeting that many women in real life. What they are doing is watching a lot of online porn. While the typical woman only has a few sex partners during her lifetime, and certainly doesn't "sleep with the whole football team," the women who appear in porn videos do fit that description. Many of these posters then are confusing real-life women for the fictional scenarios played out by porn actresses. The resentment incel men feel toward the sorority members—who have done nothing other than being attractive online—is palpable in their fantasies about how, underneath the beautiful facade, the women they disdain are actually worthless nymphomaniacs.
It's hard not to come away from this particular online catfight without the sense that the weirdos populating the online right just don't like women that much. They're horrified and disgusted when women are ugly—or even "mid," an insult which has been bemusingly applied to famously beautiful actresses like Margot Robbie and Zendaya—but they also resent their own lust toward women whom they do find attractive.
The good news, for women especially, is that most men won't be found in the depths of incel forums or fighting over anonymous sorority girls' body counts. As tempting as it can be to paint the online weirdos as the norm, real-life men are all right—or at least more well-adjusted than whatever happens in the replies to a Bama RushTok video.
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Third group who agree sorority girls are objects? Sorority girls. Because they really, really enjoy the attention. That's life, folks.
Yeah, the whole point of these videos was for the Zoomer sorority girls to get online updoots. There really wasn't a need to marinate in a bunch of 2nd/3rd-wave feminism inspired dialectics to realize that.
There really wasn't a need to marinate in a bunch of 2nd/3rd-wave feminism inspired dialectics to realize that.
For you or I there wasn't a need.
I heard a story about a Bama frat guy that had to drive a 2019 F-150 because of Bidenflation! Never again!! Trump’s tariffs have already allowed him to buy a new F-150 with his father’s credit card! U S A!!
U S A!!
Damn, son, you're approaching Hank levels of incoherence. Lay off his stash.
Little Emma is just jealous of the pretty girls.
X, tik-tok, Reddit
*facepalm*
"Many of these X users are particularly fixated on the idea that these videos make liberals angry—despite essentially no evidence that the left is responding with outrage."
Ah yes, the whole "What are you talking about? The left never complained about this" BS. I remember when they tried playing that with the whole Sweeney controversy. It is pretty ridiculous. If you watch any of these videos, there are dozens of comments complaining. And there are dozens of videos of angry women in cars bitching about this stuff.
The fact that Emma is trotting out the same "women are being treated as objects" trope because she's obviously not reacting disapprovingly to anything at all might be hilarious and cute, if I were 23 and single.
That Sweeney thing was last week. This week it's all about hot sorority chicks. Try to keep up.
I'd note that those videos seem to be exclusively at SEC schools. Heck, my alma mater of S. Carolina is featured in quite a few of them.
The Left has a bizarre hatred of beauty.
Sweeney should dress up as a hot sorority girl.
Dozens!
I honestly have no idea how much the left is freaking out and how much it's just online amplification of some people who need to get a real hobby or something. I suspect most people you would call
"of the left" don't give a damn about any of this and it's mostly the people who spend all day online being outraged about the latest outrage who have strong opinions (until the next outrage comes along).
Wapo, msnbc, nyt, buzzfred, etc all had stories about it, all based on whitening of America.
Sweeney could feed twins with her “genes”…maybe even triplets!
Becasie to them, EVERYTHING is racist.
Right. But the media is shitty and lazy and bases stories on online non-troversy silliness. And they have themselves trained to look at everything through a woke bullshit filter. It will be gone in a few weeks and no one will even mention it again.
Of course they all did, was probably just a re-masticated and regurgitated retelling of the same dreckish story. Monkey see, monkey do, and all that.
I think the main difference is, the were billions of dollars in corporate media space taken up with one issue, where "a conservative user" was on the other side.
I think that could be said about both sides for any of these nontroversies (that most people don’t give a damn). It just happens that the MSM is mostly run by leftist so they amplify the screeching harpies to make it seem like more of an issue than it is.
“ I remember when they tried playing that with the whole Sweeney controversy”
This is the second or third time someone has referenced the “Sweeney controversy”? What is it? I have no idea what is being referenced.
Google "vox sweeney jeans" "washington post sweeney jeans" "new york times sweeney jeans" "npr sweeney jeans" "msnbc sweeney jeans".
Sit back, laugh.
Sidney Sweeney did an ad for American Eagle apparel. The ad plays on the words 'genes' and 'jeans'.
The left lost their mind because 'its totally Nazism' since Sweeney is blondish (dirty blonde) and has big tits. Then they found out she votes Republican, works on cars, and grew up in a traditional family.
Trump would leave Melania in a second for Sweeney,,,although I think the fact Melania sounds like Hitler turns Trump on.
That seems like a really, really dumb response, so it is probably coming from the idiot wingnuts on the left. They’re just as noxious as their cousins on the hard right, and just as stupid.
That sort of nonsense is pure idiocy. This would be Exhibit #15,638 in my “why I will never be on social media” logic. And that may be undercounting by several decimal points.
Here’s the ad…..
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Sweeney+jeans+ad
Here’s the kind of ad leftists like…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLtFIrqhfng
American Eagle is getting. Karly positive tension for the Sweeney ad. jaguar Europe sales are down 97% year over year. Yes, 97%. That isn’t a typo.
It’s even worse than the Bud Light tranny ad campaign.
https://youtu.be/RDFAfTucL5c
Babylon Bee video skit "ad exec berates Sweeney ad copyrighter..."
I love including the 'incel' vote here.
Of the comments I have overwhelmingly seen online, its been 70% loser fat SJWs with the "this is terrible for women, how dare you" and 30% of the 'maga'- we are so back, and near nothing from 'incels'.
Incels are really becoming a strawman/punching bag who's influence in media/journalism/hollywood has become so outsized compared to how little they exist, we might as well get the opinion of actual marching klansmen while we are at it on the matter.
And ya, "essentially no evidence that the left is responding with outrage", gtfo here with this, didnt we just do this with AE? The gaslighting is getting old
Probably because “incel” is just a shorthand way to refer to men who have no idea how to talk to or interact with women and don’t understand that it’s who they are, not other men, that prevents them from getting laid.
Incel is just a modern way to say “loser with misogynistic personality traits”. Those people have been around forever.
“It's hard not to come away from this particular online catfight without the sense that the weirdos populating the online right”
And there you have it.
She would rather the chicks be 5'2" 240 lbs, with facial piercings, blue hair, and neck tattoos, complaining that they can't get on demand abortions (even though the situation never comes up.
She is desperate to be the hot one in the group.
Babylon Bee:
American Eagle Apologizes, Replaces Sydney Sweeney With Fat Transgender Double-Amputee Of Color
https://babylonbee.com/news/american-eagle-apologizes-replaces-sydney-sweeney-with-fat-transgender-double-amputee-of-color
Teen Reason
This
taylor lorenz called and she wants her column back
Why the Hell did Reason ever hire this chick?
Because she's campy, and mmmmmmmmmmm
It seems that the right-wing internet can't decide whether the videos of attractive young women dancing to pop songs are a sign that President Donald Trump has indeed made America great again, or a harbinger of societal collapse.
You say that like you aren't solidly in the "Trump as the savior of Western Civilization is a bad thing." camp.
Women are objects because otherwise they're insanity-inducing, socially corrosive, psychoactive compounds. And if you don't believe me, as any lesbian who is 2-3X more likely to divorce than any man.
Personally, even before lesbians had to figure out how sociopathic other women can be, I've never understood the whole "women as objects" argument from women, given the fact that unless they're married or related to them, most women can't name the guy who fixes their plumbing, car, or internet. And when it comes to sex, men want a whole woman, hands, legs, mouth, everything and maybe with a little bit of extra silicone augmentation; but women frequently brag openly about being able to replace any man with a smaller, disembodied piece of silicone.
ENB and TDS are turning you into a misandrist (which my spellchecker says is misspelled) Emma.
Insanity-inducing, socially corrosive, psychoactive
compoundsartifacts.Misandry has ruled the culture since the 19th was passed. Might be time to consider a repeal? Not that these whiny chicks would sign on.
Okay incel.
Tri-Delta...everyone else has.
Ya know, Emma Camp, it might just girls being girls and boys being boys. Perhaps they all have agency and do what they want without hurting each other. Spontaneous, ya know?
Nothing is spontaneous until we know the skin color and preferred pronouns of all in involved.
Not everyone can be a joyless, plain, leftist twat.
Emma seems upset that women willingly posted videos to TikTok.
OF or bust
The bigger the bust the better.
You hoping it will flop?
As long as the motorboat doesn't sink.
If it does, they’ll have to do the breaststroke to make it back to shore.
Always wise to have some big jugs on the boat for extra bouyancy in the event that someone goes down.
More like stand on its own.
And that a "conservative user" tweeted about it.
Robby?
That almost made me spit out my evening coffee.
Robbie's hot for Minnesota Vikings cheerleaders.
Two of them anyway.
He does seem to favor the twinks.
Many of these X users are particularly fixated on the idea that these videos make liberals angry—despite essentially no evidence that the left is responding with outrage.
Well, I can't speak to THESE videos because clearly...CLEARLY I don't frequent the hyper-online spaces that Ms. Camp haunts. I mean, conservative users are posting! *fans myself*
But the idea that attractive women again being shown in any way around the popular culture isn't causing the left to respond with outrage is high-larious.
to wit:
Huff Post:
Vox:
And everyone else:
It's as if a millions overweight, childless cat ladies cried out, and then were silenced...
Meowch!
Don't get your dander up.
Wow. Claws out huh.
The media cycle transition from "Pam Anderson is reinventing herself as a mature, empowered female actress." to "Sydney Sweeney's is a Nazi." was unexpected but not at all unfamiliar.
I felt a disturbance in the Force Luke,
The only thing dangerous about Sydney Sweeney is the possibility of being smothered to death by her huge jugs. But hey, if you’ve gotta go………
“media literacy”
God I hate that term.
It is a great indicator of being pretentious and smug.
Lol. How did Nelson miss all this? He sez the lefty pearl clutching over SS (see? It’s right in her initials!) is fake news!
He’s such a cliche’. Never seems to have heard about well known lefty retardation on any recent given situation. What a doosh.
Ron DeSantisEmma Camp is too online!And JD Vance was wrong about that.
What do the vegan soy boys who are still optimistic that they may eventually get to actually touch a boob after the protest think, Emma?
Isn't protest coverage Rommelmann's beat?
The only option for horny frat boys is the same as it ever was. Road Trip!
We're all objects. That doesn't mean we can't also be other things. Women possess a very powerful thing in their sexuality and sex appeal. In some senses the most powerful thing there is. Why would anyone expect them not to use it while in their prime?
Agreed. The pussy is the most powerful force on the planet.
Women =/= adamantium
Akshually he said “powerful”, not “strongest”. - Nerd Pedant
Also, Sexiness should have been an Infinity Stone.
Oh FFS
Barely skimmed the article because I have no idea what incels or sorority girls are doing nor do I care. But I've never understood this whole objectifying thing. It's a cheap shot by women that paints heterosexual men with a broad claim that they are one dimensional idiots and predators. Robby aside, most men are helplessly attracted to the female body. Duh it's primal. But it turns out that hot body is attached to a brain that always gets what it wants. History is full of women that ruled their world from Cleopatra to the Valkyries to Margaret Thatcher. Stop pretending you are victims. I love women and really can't live without one. But objectification doesn't enter the equation. You're just making shit up.
Perhaps Emma is missing the obvious lede? Sorority Girls view themselves as objects and merrily own it in their dance videos.
Actually saw the fox segment on this in the gym. She was talking about how it is funny but she learned how driven all the sorority girls were, becoming doctors lawyers philanthropists etc.
Apparently Emma just was staring at them and not listening.
She forgot rocket engineer for SpaceX.
She’s super jelly of the pretty girls.
Flaunt it while you got it.
"MAGA Frat Guys and Bitter Incels Agree: Sorority Girls Are Objects."
Yeah, as if sorority girls never considered men as objects.
I sometimes wonder where Reason get these articles, The Babylon Bee?
Ripping off the Babylon Bee would be funny, this is feminist.
This reaction—a divide between delight and disgust—reveals a cultural rift on the online right.
Not really. It's more like everyone spiking the football on the corpse of wokeness - with the coaches saying OK enjoy the touchdown, do your little end-zone dance, just don't get us flagged for unsportsmanlike or DOG.
The right is... well, right, to celebrate the death of wokeness. The left should be celebrating it too, because it's a very positive thing for society.
What we don't want to do is inadvertently fill its vacuum with something just as objectionable - whether it be overly-sexualized imagery or gratuitous sex or something other that isn't a net-positive for a healthy society.
One possible answer for this fixation on female body counts is that incels are, by definition, not meeting that many women in real life.
Online "dating" doesn't help with that either. I've read various accounts of that, where the female "10s" on Match or Tinder or Hinger or countless other dating apps are getting run through by countless one-night-stands, while other women can barely get a swipe right. On the flip side, those 10s then start stabling their matches while they seek a literal Mr. Perfect, with their swipe-rights rarely - if ever - getting a meetup, only for Miss 10 to eventually hit the wall and be left wondering what the heck happened.
It's a very toxic approach to human relationships. But I'm also convinced it's very tied into the Millennial/Gen-Z problem of being absolutely socially autistic. They don't seem to know how to actually interact with other human beings in actual reality. They're all chest-thumpers online, but if you actually confront them with a real conversation in real life, they're super avoidant.
It's disturbing. It's also why I'm kinda loathe to hire them. Putting all their politics and social media aside, they're just weirdos in general who are offputting to anyone older than them.
This country would be. A lot. Egg erode if we re celebrating the death of wokies.
'Online "dating" doesn't help with that either. '
I met my wife on an online dating site. We have been happily married for 20 years.
Good for you. Missed the point.
There's a reason why the "husband store" joke works...
https://jokesoftheday.net/joke-The-Husband-Store-8211-Still-True/2017032149
A store that sells new husbands has opened in Melbourne , where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates:
You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are six floors and the value of the products increase as the shopper ascends the flights. The shopper may choose any item from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!
So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband.
On the first floor the sign on the door reads:
Floor 1 - These men Have Jobs
She is intrigued, but continues to the second floor, where the sign reads:
Floor 2 - These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.
'That's nice,' she thinks, 'but I want more.'
So she continues upward. The third floor sign reads:
Floor 3 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, and are Extremely Good Looking.
'Wow,' she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.
She goes to the fourth floor and the sign reads:
Floor 4 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and Help With Housework.
'Oh, mercy me!' she exclaims, 'I can hardly stand it!'
Still, she goes to the fifth floor and the sign reads:
Floor 5 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, Help with Housework, and Have a Strong Romantic Streak.
She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor , where the sign reads:
Floor 6 - You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.
PLEASE NOTE:
To avoid gender bias charges, the store's owner opened a New Wives store just across the street.
The first floor has wives that love sex.
The second floor has wives that love sex and have money and like beer
The third, fourth, fifth & sixth floors have never been visited.
Sorority girls will be sorority girls and frat boys will be frat boys some of them Animal House type frat boys.
Not concerned what the blue haired nose ringed obese land whales think.
Besides the assault on my eyesight.
Could care less.
"I heard Dickinson girls are fast."
The weirdest part to me is that an article about stereotyping women as objects uses … the stereotype of the slutty sorority girl.
Some college girls flaunt their bodies and have sex, while some college girls flaunt their bodies and don’t have sex. Some don’t flaunt their bodies and have sex, while some don’t flaunt their bodies and don’t have sex. And any given sorority has all four types. There isn’t a generic “sorority girl” approach to sex and exhibitionism. As odious as the sexually frustrated losers called “incels” are, using the sorority girl trope to mock them is a bit much.
Trying to live in a post-biology era is making people extra stupid.
There is no disgust on the right. This has strong 'onyl the right is making a big deal about Sweeny' energy.
I also noticed you don't mention that the *left* is completely up on arms about sorority girls. They hate them. But it's ok because they're united? I guess?
I'm sure some on the Right aren't fond of the sexualization. Not the lion's share at all, but I'm sure there are some.
But seeing lefties complain about how "non-diverse" these videos are is beyond tedious. So fucking what?
Remember psychotic false rape allegations were leveled at Jocks and Frat bros from Duke and Virginia and The Press ran with it hard enough to make the then President write a "Dear Colleagues" letter and appoint the future President to a task force that found that 1-in-4 women were sexually assaulted on campuses? The whole thing imploded so spectacularly that it took down a couple of journalists careers, embarrassed and irreparably damaged one journal and one school and should've caused much more introspection on the part of women, journalists, the media at large, and possibly even the party.
Instead the long hard look in the mirror was more like the typical morning session of applying concealer. Nobody who isn't a sorority girl blitzed out of their mind or a paid hooker likes obnoxious frat bros. That's what makes them obnoxious, but that doesn't mean people want to see them raked over the coals for things they didn't do.
I am not up in arms.
Mot MAGA guys are not connected to a frat, and vice versa.
The author of the article being an incel doesn't change that.
Little Emma probably dates some soyboy beta male, but secretly wishes she was with a real man.
Nobody cares what perpetually online incels bitch about, Margaret.
Stick to FAFSA
"...and that a significant minority of men will never be able to get sex because all women are spending too much time seeking the attention of the most attractive men."
As if female hypergamy does not exist, and is not having a negative synergy with the majority of college students now being female.
There is a perpetual disconnect between men and women, and these videos call attention to it.
What I learned from my daughters is that girls really to enjoy dancing like this.
And these groups can be the source of very positive friendships.
I went to a college with no greek system. The school sponsored sex-themed parties and the girls (and guys) were every bit as promiscuous as any sorority movie would suggest.
It's almost like there's some sort of biological drive for 19 year olds to think about sex all the time.
"It's hard not to come away from this particular online catfight without the sense that the weirdos populating the online right just don't like women that much."
Maybe, but it seems to be a reaction to the fact that the progressive Left hate and fear men and masculinity.
These fratboys and incel wankers Emma describes are well-represented in the grandfathered Reason GOP vomitariat. Jesus Caucus hookers and harridans impersonating libertarians are the best vote-repellent ever devised by the Comstockist hand of MAGA. Our original 1972 platform was an existential threat to the looter Kleptocracy, so it's hard to blame them for paying any price, bearing any burden, meeting any hardship, opposing any foe to assure the survival and the success of Christian National Socialism.
LOL, the only sex you're getting is when your drug needle injects you, Hank, the fuck you think you're kidding here?
You’re a pathetic, washed up, old hippie beta male that probably spent half your life taking it up the ass on the sly. So just stop with your whining about real, better men.
You’re even more jealous than plain Little Emma.
Sure, there are MAGA incels. But the reality is that the hot Gen Z guys and gals tend to be on the right, and not the left, which is filled with purple haired overweight lesbian harridans. The NYT etc just wants you to believe that a lot of Gen Z guys are incels. They were calling Big Balls an incel, when he made national news getting bloodied protecting his girlfriends. Incels don’t have girlfriends, by definition. The incels are mostly on the left simply because they have no one datable willing to date them. The hot Gen Z girls are mostly on the right these days, because they are rewarded, not demonized, for being hot.
The college I attended for a couple years was noted for partying. I was told it was a party school and they weren't far off.
I played in a band back then with three other dudes who, by the way were members of one of the frats there and we played nearly every Friday afternoon at the business fraternity lodge. nearly new with a full basement where we set up and played our asses of for a couple hours. Free beer and free girls. Many times waded through a couple inches of beer spilled on the floor packing up and moving on to the next gig.
The other three guys in the band were pharmacy majors and their fraternity had a Las Vegas party . It was nuts. Gambling, booze and obviously some reefer mixed in with the proceedings.
Did I mention booze? There were cartons of 1/2 gallons.
Of course not. Listen closely to incels and most of them quickly start to sound like classic self-loathing closet cases. They're terrified that women will see right through them, so they try to hide their fear behind angry, even violent, misogyny. They'd be a lot happier if they'd just come out, find a nice boy and suck some dick. All the rest of us would be happier too, since we wouldn't be listening to their bullshit.
Oh, yes, I'm sure there's some deep cultural divide among the right regarding (checks note) hot, mostly white sorority girls dancing. Uh-huh.
There's a a difference between not mistreating someone based on their looks and "body positivity", which made fatness and disability a virtue and a protected class. If you were turned by Lizzo in a thong, you were labeled fatphobic in the pre Trump era.
Did Reason ever understand what "woke" is? You can't be shamed into liking something that you don't like. Beauty is subjective, but you can't honestly tell me whoopi goldberg is an attractive woman. Or a woman who's fat enough to be two Roseannes is appropriate for a cover of health magazine. We're celebrating a return to normalcy, where it's ok to embrace hot women. Helen of Troy was a beauty, not some obese woman who's otherwise a good person. There's nothing wrong with that.
Ban all frats and sororities!
Ban joyless, jealous, plain, leftist twats, and then let get back to partying.
MAFA: Make America Fun Again
Silly GDI. I was happy with the results of belonging to a fraternity while an undergraduate. The results of belonging to a fraternity were:
- higher GPA. GPA average for 4 of 5 fraternities were higher than the school average. If you had problems with a class, you inevitably had someone to help you down the hall. Plus you knew which profs to take, and which to avoid.
- higher attendance in grad school, esp for JD, MD, MBA, but also PhDs.
- which meant a significant network, of former fraternity members, esp in the town and state that the college is in. Esp useful for lawyers.
- significantly higher involvement in public service. We tended to run one or two charity events a month, plus mentoring, etc. GDIs, on average did zip community service.
- significantly better, on average in social graces. Yes, we had a bunch of preppies who came in well trained, but it rubbed off on everyone else. This includes the ability to Dress for Success.
- this extended to the ability to attract and date women. Yes, we were getting laid more. Probably a lot more. There was peer pressure to get dates, and functions with sororities, where the guys w/o GFs were thrown together with co-Ed’s w/o BFs.
- lifetime friends, and an extended friend network.
Daughter followed in my steps 40 years later, joining a sorority. It turned her from an introvert with a couple close friends into someone who periodically forces herself to cut her Facebook friend list back to 400-500 friends. They have a 14 month old, but despite that, they do something social a couple times a week, is active (Deacon) in their church, does charity work, etc. Travels every month or so out of state to visit friends. While working full time as a Senior Test Engineer on a DOD satellite optical sensor program.
Maybe not surprisingly, her experiences were not unlike my own in a fraternity. We both dressed up weekly in business attire, did a lot of community service, and were pushed to excel academically. Of the Summas in her class (including her), over half were Greek, including the Valedictorian, despite being 20% of the student body.
One big difference from my experiences in a fraternity is that there was a lot more drinking. A lot more. And cocaine, but not in her house). And the women were doing more than their share. In a school of maybe 1,500, they averaged a couple kids being “transported” (to the ER for alcohol overdosing) a weekend. Which means a lot of drunken hookups.
This was significantly less of a problem, at least in her sorority, because of a ruthlessly imposed Sober Sisters program. Funny story there - she did her first REU (Research Experience for Undergraduates (very helpful for being admitted to a STEM PhD program)) was at CU Boulder. The Boulder cops set up right at the campus border, to pick up drunk underaged undergrads. They got popped. Turns out that the driver, a sorority sister, was 21 AND stone cold sober. Daughter wasn’t, and got popped for underaged drinking. When she was applying for a security clearance later, I told her to include it, despite the minimal deferred sentence. Which she did. Told her the FBI would find out anyway.
Bernie Sanders: "Why do we need 23 different types of the same Mother Jones style website?"
Based!
Fuck prudes from both sides.