MAGA Frat Guys and Bitter Incels Agree: Sorority Girls Are Objects
Some right-wing influencers love sorority girls because they're hot. Others hate them...because they're hot.

It's August, which means the weather's hot, everyone in D.C. is on vacation, and people on X are having meltdowns about sorority recruitment TikTok videos. It seems that the right-wing internet can't decide whether the videos of attractive young women dancing to pop songs are a sign that President Donald Trump has indeed made America great again, or a harbinger of societal collapse.
"America is BACK and the Democrats hate it," reads a representative August 10 post from conservative commentator Brigitte Gabriel on X. The post, which includes a video of a crowd of young women dancing to Michael Jackson's "Smooth Criminal," has over 2.7 million views.
That same day, another conservative user shared a similar video, this time writing in a post with over 3.5 million views, "Why are so many conservatives celebrating the sorority recruitment videos, saying 'America Is Back!' Do people not realize all these girls are going to be passed around for four years by the football and basketball guys?"
This reaction—a divide between delight and disgust—reveals a cultural rift on the online right. On the one hand, many MAGA conservatives view the popularity of these videos as a sign that wokeness is dead. Body positivity, which held that all bodies are equally beautiful and beauty standards were essentially sexist and racist, has been discarded in favor of a resurgence of early-aughts fat shaming. Male horniness, too, has had a comeback. After a decade of male sexuality being treated as inherently lecherous and dangerous, raunch is once again tolerated in public life. One can practically hear the boioioioing sound effect from Looney Tunes leaping from posts bragging about "Amazing jeans," "America's Prettiest Sororities," and"Fit, attractive white women in sororities having fun."
Many of these X users are particularly fixated on the idea that these videos make liberals angry—despite essentially no evidence that the left is responding with outrage. In fact, many left-wing X users pointed out the apparent contradiction between recent right-wing outrage over similar videos of young women dancing. While plenty of these online commenters are opportunistic hypocrites, another explanation is that it is essentially different groups of people responding to these points of controversy.
While the frat boy right loves these women because they make them horny, there's another segment of the right that hates these women…because they make them horny.
That's because there's an equal and opposite reaction from what can best be described as the incel right—men who, whether or not they are actually involuntarily celibate, buy into a series of distorted beliefs about human sexuality: that most women are hypersexual and hyperpromiscuous, and that a significant minority of men will never be able to get sex because all women are spending too much time seeking the attention of the most attractive men. This attitude has manifested in an obsession with the supposed "body counts" of college sorority girls.
"The larger the school, the more prevalent the promiscuity is," reads a representative reply on the viral X post insisting that sorority members will get "passed around" by athletes. "'All' girls may be hyperbole, but 60-70% is probably accurate."
"Most of the girls I knew growing up had 10 bodies by the time they graduated fuckin high school. Lol 4 sex partners over a lifetime my fuckin ass," one X user posted in response to a post I made pointing out that the median woman has only slept with a few people.
"Yet every 18 year old girl opens an OF," another user insisted.
One possible answer for this fixation on female body counts is that incels are, by definition, not meeting that many women in real life. What they are doing is watching a lot of online porn. While the typical woman only has a few sex partners during her lifetime—and certainly doesn't "sleep with the whole football team," the women who appear in porn videos do fit that description. Many of these posters then are confusing real-life women for the fictional scenarios played out by porn actresses. The resentment incel men feel toward the sorority members—who have done nothing other than being attractive online—is palpable in their fantasies about how, underneath the beautiful facade, the women they disdain are actually worthless nymphomaniacs.
It's hard not to come away from this particular online catfight without the sense that the weirdos populating the online right just don't like women that much. They're horrified and disgusted when women are ugly—or even "mid," an insult which has been bemusingly applied to famously beautiful actresses like Margot Robbie and Zendaya—but they also resent their own lust toward women whom they do find attractive.
The good news, for women especially, is that most men won't be found in the depths of incel forums or fighting over anonymous sorority girls' body counts. As tempting as it can be to paint the online weirdos as the norm, real-life men are all right—or at least more well-adjusted than whatever happens in the replies to a Bama RushTok video.
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Third group who agree sorority girls are objects? Sorority girls. Because they really, really enjoy the attention. That's life, folks.
Yeah, the whole point of these videos was for the Zoomer sorority girls to get online updoots. There really wasn't a need to marinate in a bunch of 2nd/3rd-wave feminism inspired dialectics to realize that.
There really wasn't a need to marinate in a bunch of 2nd/3rd-wave feminism inspired dialectics to realize that.
For you or I there wasn't a need.
"Many of these X users are particularly fixated on the idea that these videos make liberals angry—despite essentially no evidence that the left is responding with outrage."
Ah yes, the whole "What are you talking about? The left never complained about this" BS. I remember when they tried playing that with the whole Sweeney controversy. It is pretty ridiculous. If you watch any of these videos, there are dozens of comments complaining. And there are dozens of videos of angry women in cars bitching about this stuff.
The fact that Emma is trotting out the same "women are being treated as objects" trope because she's obviously not reacting disapprovingly to anything at all might be hilarious and cute, if I were 23 and single.
That Sweeney thing was last week. This week it's all about hot sorority chicks. Try to keep up.
Dozens!
I honestly have no idea how much the left is freaking out and how much it's just online amplification of some people who need to get a real hobby or something. I suspect most people you would call
"of the left" don't give a damn about any of this and it's mostly the people who spend all day online being outraged about the latest outrage who have strong opinions (until the next outrage comes along).
Wapo, msnbc, nyt, buzzfred, etc all had stories about it, all based on whitening of America.
“It's hard not to come away from this particular online catfight without the sense that the weirdos populating the online right”
And there you have it.
She would rather the chicks be 5'2" 240 lbs, with facial piercings, blue hair, and neck tattoos, complaining that they can't get on demand abortions (even though the situation never comes up.
She is desperate to be the hot one in the group.
Teen Reason
This
taylor lorenz called and she wants her column back
It seems that the right-wing internet can't decide whether the videos of attractive young women dancing to pop songs are a sign that President Donald Trump has indeed made America great again, or a harbinger of societal collapse.
You say that like you aren't solidly in the "Trump as the savior of Western Civilization is a bad thing." camp.
Women are objects because otherwise they're insanity-inducing, socially corrosive, psychoactive compounds. And if you don't believe me, as any lesbian who is 2-3X more likely to divorce than any man.
Personally, even before lesbians had to figure out how sociopathic other women can be, I've never understood the whole "women as objects" argument from women, given the fact that unless they're married or related to them, most women can't name the guy who fixes their plumbing, car, or internet. And when it comes to sex, men want a whole woman, hands, legs, mouth, everything and maybe with a little bit of extra silicone augmentation; but women frequently brag openly about being able to replace any man with a smaller, disembodied piece of silicone.
ENB and TDS are turning you into a misandrist (which my spellchecker says is misspelled) Emma.
Insanity-inducing, socially corrosive, psychoactive
compoundsartifacts.Misandry has ruled the culture since the 19th was passed. Might be time to consider a repeal? Not that these whiny chicks would sign on.
Tri-Delta...everyone else has.
Ya know, Emma Camp, it might just girls being girls and boys being boys. Perhaps they all have agency and do what they want without hurting each other. Spontaneous, ya know?
Nothing is spontaneous until we know the skin color and preferred pronouns of all in involved.
Emma seems upset that women willingly posted videos to TikTok.
OF or bust
The bigger the bust the better.
You hoping it will flop?
As long as the motorboat doesn't sink.
If it does, they’ll have to do the breaststroke to make it back to shore.
Always wise to have some big jugs on the boat for extra bouyancy in the event that someone goes down.
And that a "conservative user" tweeted about it.
Robby?
Many of these X users are particularly fixated on the idea that these videos make liberals angry—despite essentially no evidence that the left is responding with outrage.
Well, I can't speak to THESE videos because clearly...CLEARLY I don't frequent the hyper-online spaces that Ms. Camp haunts. I mean, conservative users are posting! *fans myself*
But the idea that attractive women again being shown in any way around the popular culture isn't causing the left to respond with outrage is high-larious.
to wit:
Huff Post:
Vox:
And everyone else:
It's as if a millions overweight, childless cat ladies cried out, and then were silenced...
Meowch!
Don't get your dander up.
Wow. Claws out huh.
The media cycle transition from "Pam Anderson is reinventing herself as a mature, empowered female actress." to "Sydney Sweeney's is a Nazi." was unexpected but not at all unfamiliar.
Ron DeSantisEmma Camp is too online!And JD Vance was wrong about that.
What do the vegan soy boys who are still optimistic that they may eventually get to actually touch a boob after the protest think, Emma?
The only option for horny frat boys is the same as it ever was. Road Trip!
We're all objects. That doesn't mean we can't also be other things. Women possess a very powerful thing in their sexuality and sex appeal. In some senses the most powerful thing there is. Why would anyone expect them not to use it while in their prime?
Agreed. The pussy is the most powerful force on the planet.
Women =/= adamantium
Oh FFS
Barely skimmed the article because I have no idea what incels or sorority girls are doing nor do I care. But I've never understood this whole objectifying thing. It's a cheap shot by women that paints heterosexual men with a broad claim that they are one dimensional idiots and predators. Robby aside, most men are helplessly attracted to the female body. Duh it's primal. But it turns out that hot body is attached to a brain that always gets what it wants. History is full of women that ruled their world from Cleopatra to the Valkyries to Margaret Thatcher. Stop pretending you are victims. I love women and really can't live without one. But objectification doesn't enter the equation. You're just making shit up.
Perhaps Emma is missing the obvious lede? Sorority Girls view themselves as objects and merrily own it in their dance videos.
Actually saw the fox segment on this in the gym. She was talking about how it is funny but she learned how driven all the sorority girls were, becoming doctors lawyers philanthropists etc.
Apparently Emma just was staring at them and not listening.
Flaunt it while you got it.
"MAGA Frat Guys and Bitter Incels Agree: Sorority Girls Are Objects."
Yeah, as if sorority girls never considered men as objects.
I sometimes wonder where Reason get these articles, The Babylon Bee?