Americans Misunderstand Social Security but Appear Open to Reform
Younger Americans seem ready to treat the program as a safety net, not a retirement plan.

Despite his administration's talk about shrinking the size and cost of government, President Donald Trump has been careful to exclude entitlements like Social Security from consideration for serious reform. That makes it essentially impossible to fix federal finances given the massive chunk of expenditures represented by these programs, but it's understandable from a political perspective. The fact is that most Americans like Social Security, though they don't understand how it works or why it's headed for a fiscal cliff. The only good news is that the public gets that there is a problem, and some are open to changes.
Back in March, the White House put out a "fact check" promising that "the Trump Administration will not cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid benefits. President Trump himself has said it (over and over and over again)." The assurances came amidst public concerns that DOGE cuts targeting waste and abuse mean promised benefits might be trimmed or delayed. Polling finds a large majority of Americans enthusiastic about Social Security even as they worry about its future. Many base their support for politicians at least in part on the issue.
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Social Security's Origin in 'Straight Politics'
What's ironic is that the program's problems were knowingly built in from the beginning. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA) itself, when then-President Franklin Roosevelt was advised that the payroll tax funding mechanism for Social Security was financially unsound, he admitted that the economics were bad and that his plan was "straight politics" so "no damn politician can ever scrap my Social Security program." Well, he got his public support for the program—and the fallout from bad financial planning.
Fixing the 90-year-old problem will be harder than creating it, though. That's especially true since Social Security might be popular, but it's wildly misunderstood.
"Over half of Americans (55%) don't know how Social Security is funded," the Cato Institute's Emily Ekins and Hunter Johnson report of responses to a recent survey. "Less than half (45%) know that today's workers pay for current retirees, and that future workers will pay for their benefits when they retire. Nearly a quarter (23%) believe that their Social Security taxes are saved in a personal account for them. Another third (32%) say they don't know how Social Security is funded."
It's easy to see why people resent changes to a program if they mistakenly believe their taxes are contributions to personal investment accounts they'll draw against in the future. Admittedly, that's a minority of respondents, but it's enough to reinforce opposition to necessary reform.
Most Americans Mistakenly Think the Program Largely Replaces Income
Even more concerning is that 55 percent of respondents think Social Security is supposed to "largely replace seniors' income after they retire." In fact, it was set up as a safety net to make sure seniors don't fall into poverty; people are still supposed to save and invest to guarantee themselves something better than a hand-to-mouth existence. SSA numbers put retired workers' average monthly benefits at $2,002.39. The maximum possible monthly benefit is $5,108 if you retire this year at age 70 (it's lower if you retire early at 62 or at "full retirement age" of 67).
People are setting themselves up for discomfort and disappointment if they're not putting money away themselves for their senior years.
Americans Anticipate Benefit Cuts
That's especially true if, as people anticipate, Social Security is unable to pay out full benefits. The Cato survey finds "an overwhelming majority of nonretired adults (79%) do not believe they will receive their full scheduled Social Security benefits when they retire." Thirteen percent expect to receive nothing.
At the moment, in Congressional Budget Office projections, "the balance of the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund is exhausted in fiscal year 2033." After that, benefits will have to be cut to match available funds.
The SSA agrees. "The Old-Age and Survivors Insurance (OASI) Trust Fund will be able to pay 100 percent of total scheduled benefits until 2033, unchanged from last year's report," according to the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees. "At that time, the fund's reserves will become depleted and continuing program income will be sufficient to pay 77 percent of total scheduled benefits."
To be clear, the trust find doesn't actually exist; it's just IOUs issued by the Treasury to the Social Security Administration. So, finances are even sketchier than official figures suggest. That means people are right to worry about the program's future. But their preferred remedies aren't promising.
"To avoid tax hikes or benefit cuts, a plurality (38%) of Americans would support switching to a flat Social Security benefit of about $1,800 a month for all retirees regardless of their prior earnings," note Ekins and Johnson. That could help the program's finances, but it would make Social Security an even lousier deal compared to private planning than it already is.
In 2016, the Tax Foundation compared the outcomes from private savings to Social Security benefits across a range of incomes. "In all but four of the 400 cases" in the analysis, "the annual income from saving outstrips the Social Security retirement benefit." The exceptions were "the very lowest income workers," suggesting Social Security would operate best as a welfare program for the poor. On the other hand, most people would be much better off if they could divert the money they currently surrender as payroll taxes to retirement savings plans like the 401(k). That would be a wiser fix than giving everybody a flat monthly government benefit.
Gen. Z Is Open To Reforming Social Security
Younger Americans may be open to the idea. In the Cato survey, "nearly half of Gen Z respondents said they would prefer cutting benefits (49%) to raising taxes (20%), while a majority of Baby Boomer respondents favored raising taxes (52%) to cutting benefits (13%)." And while younger respondents were more likely than older ones to mistakenly think payroll taxes fund personal Social Security accounts, most of them recognize that Social Security is only intended to prevent poverty. A Social Security program with shrinking benefits that's rightly recognized as a safety net is on its way to replacement by private planning—which will be easier if those payroll taxes can also be reduced or put aside as the program dwindles.
Social Security is a hot mess that was poorly structured as a means for retaining political power from the beginning. It provides lousy returns compared to private planning even as it approaches its financial doom. But, with the day of reckoning approaching, Americans seem to be bracing themselves for necessary reform.
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It is a Ponzi scheme. Kill it.
Brave words without any plan on how to kill it without abandoning 80 million pensioners. It has to be phased out, or it won't be just the pensioners screaming, it will be all their families and friends, and the screams will lock it in place even harder.
Let them scream. Lefties have been doing it enough for the past two decades that we all pretty much tune it out at this point.
At some point this bandage has got to be ripped off, and it's going to take some skin and hair with it. Just get it over with already.
A reasonable person would try and mitigate it by shuttering every single lick of government spending (outside of defense) and redirect it to lump-sum payouts to SS/Medicare recipients as best we can. But threatening us with "80mil people are gon' get mad" is an argument that only a politician concerned with his career works on.
Won't work. "Let them scream" is about as intelligent as lefties screaming to kill billionaires. You're just yelling at the clouds. Society won't stand for impoverishing 1/4 of the population.
Yea they will. It'll be hard for awhile, American resilience in the face of adversity will assert itself (or, alternatively Darwin will do a little selection), and then we'll get over the hump and have learned an important lesson along the way.
If it were a natural disaster, like a comet hitting Earth, sure. But politics? No, they wouldn't. There are much simpler solutions that don't involve abandoning 80 million pensioners. Raise taxes, reduce benefits, means tests, all sorts of possibilities before resorting to the nuclear weapon.
Or we could quit being such a pussy and just rip off the bandage.
It's gotta happen, Stupid. It's GOING to happen. You can't slowly phase this one out. Either we let them know it's coming so they can prepare, or it takes them by surprise.
Which is worse.
The Check Engine light is on dude. Would you rather take it in and find out that you've got a problem you can't afford to fix, and at least come up with a plan for when you won't have a car anymore; or hope for the best until your car inevitably dies on the road and deal with it completely unprepared?
No, it's not gonna happen, because people would only tolerate that sort of drastic action in a world gone so bad that society was falling apart.
Dude, your solution to the check engine light is throwing out the engine and pushing the car. It ain't necessary and society would not tolerate it.
Take a pill. It'll be fine. We do this all the time.
Here, this should make you feel better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI8zPbEHRl0
The Check Engine light is on dude
Thousands of VW Beetle owners knew the answer to that problem: finger polish the light.
Quintessential Boomer solution.
Actually, just don't do anything, and the system will be forced to reduce benefits. Politically speaking, if we want to get rid of or diminish the system, the easiest way to do that is benign neglect and reducing benefits to match revenues. The Babies (boomers) and the Xers getting SS won't like it, but the younger generations will give the political support to not raise SS taxes, and reduce benefit payouts.
Society won't stand for impoverishing 1/4 of the population.
“Society” can always establish and contribute their own money to charities to assist the “1/4 of the population”.
IIn the meantime, stop stealing 6.2% directly from my paycheck and 6.2% indirectly from me through my employer and in return I’ll write off all the money stolen from me over the past 35 years as a loss/sunk cost, won’t file for Social Security when I’m an old hippopotamus and do the same with Medicare and it’s associated taxes.
Are you kidding? Why the hell should tax players fund ideological nonsensical policies and theft of tax payers through NGO's non profits and the like?
No you cut spending. you remove bullshit programs and subsidies and you put money in the SS trust fund and eliminate the ability for government to steal it with IOU's.
The social security fund is invested in a special class of treasury bills. Unlike corporate bonds, these do not fund profit making ventures; they are only a promise to tax somebody later to pay them back. However the money has to be put somewhere. What else, should social security people put the cash in their mattresses? I actually don't want the government investing in business because they will make all kinds of idiotic demands.
There is no “Social Security Trust Fund”
I wouldn’t have felt bad about making the admin staff at a concentration camp unemployed when shutting that facility down. If boomer groomer consumer didn’t adjust their lifestyle and believed Ponzi would fund their retirement, that is their problem. Grandma might need to remove her dentures, take the community senior van down to the docks, and mouth hug a few sailors to have enough scratch to buy dogfood. Their problems are not my responsibility.
I wouldn’t have felt bad about making the admin staff at a concentration camp unemployed when shutting that facility down.
*micdrop*
You're being stupid. This is how you wind up with Democrats Socialists in charge in perpetuity.
You phase the current system out slowly, transitioning to privatization
That's the only politically possible way. But, it still has its problems. The problem with the system is its Ponzi nature - current beneficiaries are paid for by current wage earners. And the current wage earners when they get SS benefits, will be paid by the next generation. Problem is the first two generations to receive SS got a free ride, at least in part. They never paid, or paid little, into the system - relying on subsequent generations contributions which were disbursed to pay for benefits, with no actual "trust fund" accumulated that doesn't depend upon taxpayers paying for government bonds being redeemed. There's no "there" there, that could be spun off as a private fund i.e. "privatized".
The way to privatize Social Insecurity would be to implement a "forced savings" plan in addition to Social Security contributions (still a hard sell, politically). The forced savings would go into qualifying private funds. Then future benefits would be gradually reduced as people receive payouts from their forced savings plan. At least one generation will have to contribute to the current SS Ponzi scheme AND their forced savings plan, but will receive little or nothing from the Social Security Ponzi scheme itself.
The problem is that the first recipients of SS Ponzi got a free ride for which subsequent generations have to pay.
Yes, because 80 and 90 year old pensioners are equivalent to concentration camp guards. Why not call them Nazis and fascists while you're on a roll?
Stupid shit like that is what lost the Democrats the election. It doesn't suddenly become common sense acceptable when you do it.
Your gay plan won’t work because socialism always fails. They made poor life choices and hitched their wagons to a collectivist Ponzi scheme. I’m not interested in being forced to subsidize their lifestyle. If you want to fund the 80 and 90 year olds afterwards, you will be free to do so. The system is a dead end. Let it die.
The admin staff likely weren’t nazis, just benefitting from national socialists. A government forced retirement system is national socialism.
Having some social programs is obviously not socialism. Step away from the pipe for a moment and consider the crime explosion and the abuse that will come if SS is simply ended and you tell grandma to go suck a d*ck.
Still on “it isn’t socialism” or at the “it’s only a little bit” stage? The current system is abuse. There are no government Top Men that will properly manage SocSec 2.0. Matriculate it to individual responsibility. Grandma wants money from my paycheck, she can fuck off and go suck dick.
Grandma paid money into a system she was told would provide a benefit later on in life. The system was set up that you pay for Grandma after she retires and your grandkids pay for you when you retire.
The fact the government abused the excess funds and overspends on frivolous bullshit should not be cause to punish grandma or you.
Socialism is the government involved in all of government. If the government has some social programs yes it moves left but essentially is still center or right of center as you should be aware meaning it is not socialism.
Yes I get the slippery slope and I am all for small government and there's so much that can be cut. SS does not have to be since it is too far along now and so engrained into society.
Canada has Social insurance and also Universal health care yet it is still in the center and not a socialist country.
Tough fucking shit that grandma bought into the grift. She can go after the individual salespeople of that system. Or remove the dentures and get to work. Maybe Netflix will have a Golden Girls reboot or Cocoon where she can get paid as an extra.
Collectivists want govt to force people to fund a system that they haven’t used, aren’t using now, and won’t be using in the future. Let it die.
Healthcare, retirement, speech, guns, and now even fucking hiking. Canada sure is in the center, the center of socialism.
I think you missed the very important point here:
"it was set up as a safety net to make sure seniors don't fall into poverty".
It wasn't: "it was set up that you pay for Grandma after she retires and your grandkids pay for you when you retire."
Go back and read the original law. It was an "insurance" program. Even if funded like a Ponzi scheme. Return to it's original form would be a good step towards phasing it out.
And, grandma (I'm grandpa) ain't going to like it no matter what we do. So, best get used to it.
Then, with added supply and competition in that market, the price of blowjobs will come down.
Grandma might need to remove her dentures, take the community senior van down to the docks, and mouth hug a few sailors to have enough scratch to buy dogfood. Their problems are not my responsibility.
It’s all fun and games until your Grandma has to move in with you.
It is all fun and games even after that until your wifey catches your dentureless grandma giving you a hummer.
Maybe on Pornhub
Every other year increese the retirement age by 1 year. Stop when the retirement age is 6 years past the median life expectancy. Once paid off kill it
Thank you! At least it's a suggestion which has a real chance of working.
No. That is bullshit. End the spending on bullshit iedological and nonsensical programs.
No adding years to when you are elligible. No removing the amounts of payments. No raising taxes to pay for it.
Cut spending and do it now. Take the money issued by congress for EV chargers, Solar and wind subsidies, climate change, building coastal rail systems, funding weather machines, and the pork congress always adds.
Enough is enough.
Then show some actual financial numbers. Don't just spout off dreamy fantasy which wouldn't even work in a book.
It was working. The Trust fund had the excess monies being paid into it by the boomers before they retired.
Clinton and others used the funds to make it appear he balanced budgets and removed the debt.
The people should not be punished for the failings and blatant theft by elected officials.
There's so much of the government that needs to be cut and by effectively doing so SS will survive.
Again take the billions not spent yet from the "inflation reduction Act" , Infrastructure act and the Omnibus pork spending that the democrats pushed through, regardless of partisan hack district judges trying to stop it, have congress redirect these funds and put them into SS.
Wrong. You clearly do not understand the administration of social security.
Bingo.
Perfectly fits the lack of understanding by so many as outlined in the first part of the article.
Also take the money issued by congress for 'clean' coal mine subsidies (no such thing), ethanol subsidies (what a racket), Big Pharma subsidies, Big Agra subsidies (no all that money doesn't go to family farms). What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
https://www.heritage.org/agriculture/report/what-you-should-know-about-who-receives-farm-subsidies
Breaking news: "Family farms" as in being owned by and supporting an entire family, ARE big AG. Otherwise, they're just hobby farms.
I come from farm family.
Not unlike all the DBE's - disadvantaged business enterprises. That are given special consideration when federal funding is involved. The actual founder/owner put it into his approved ethinic wife's name so they could claim special status.
I'm a senior and it drives me nuts that there are so many, publically funded, specialty programs for "seniors". It's just an age doesn't merit special status. Anymore than race, gender, etc.
^Good idea. Though it may not need to go to 6 years over. Some combination of higher retirement age (people are living longer) and limited cost of living increases.
It will die on its own if nothing is done. There will be pain no matter what. Don't take the next generation down to prop up the outgoing one.
Yes, if nothing is done, it will provide less and less -- gradually. It would take a long time to disappear totally, and might not. But it's a whole lot different than abandoning 80 million pensioners overnight.
That's the most realistic scenario.
Brave words without any plan on how to kill it without abandoning 80 million pensioners
Bottom line is Boomers overwhelmingly participate in voting compared to other age groups, only eclipsed by the Greatest Generation oldsters, who are rapidly dying off. Anybody fucks with SS pensions, it’s going to be felt by incumbents. Who knows what GenX voter participation is, maybe half of the Boomers? And it declines for the younger gen’s.
They won’t fuck with SS payouts until the Boomers start rapidly dying off, probably in another 20 years. Who knows where the money will come from? Probably thin air, people seem to be ok with that fiscal planning our betters have given us.
Don't worry. Inflation will fix this.
"It's easy to see why people resent changes to a program if they mistakenly believe their taxes are contributions to personal investment accounts they'll draw against in the future."
The do not "mistakenly believe" this. That was how the SS system was sold to the public. They were quite deliberately misled and defrauded by politicians, especially FDR. The managers of a private institution which did such a thing would be subject to criminal penalties for such fraud.
"private institution which did such a thing would be subject to criminal penalties for such fraud."
Exactly +100000. Should've read your comment before writing the same thing.
Precisely what happens when the people turn their 'Guns' of Liberty and Justice into 'armed-theft' providers. There is no longer any halls of justice just an 'armed' fraudster regime.
Even if you know there is no fund you were still robbed for decades with the promise that you'd be taken care of to some degree once past working age. You did your part, at gunpoint, but your representatives get to ignore theirs? I still think W's reform plan is generally the right path out though it might be too late now.
When the halls of ?justice? (i.e. SCOTUS) was asked, not once but twice, to rule on the 'armed-theft' ponzi-scheme criminal-scam and its Constitutionality (Supreme Law) and they washed it under the rug as "just a tax" that was the point it was too late.
You cant expect halls of justice when the halls of justice have been elected by 'Democrat/ic' [Na]tional So[zi]alist criminals.
"To be clear, the trust find doesn't actually exist; it's just IOUs issued by the Treasury to the Social Security Administration."
Full disclosure: Those "just IOU's" are US Government bonds, the safest investment that can be made. Much better than the high yield stocks like Enron.
USD inflation would say otherwise.
"...the safest investment that can be made."
They a special kind of bond which are non-tradable. They are not an investment at all.
Those US Government Bond may be safe, but they too are nothing more than IOU's.
At some point, the game will be called. The poorest among us will of course be the ones to get clobbered when that happens.
You just can't keep shrinking the ratio of payers to takers without the damned thing collapsing eventually.
When the IOUs are called, then the difference with have to made up from the general fund of federal taxes.
Also, not bearing nearly enough to cover the future obligations.
Do you know anything about accounting provisions for post retirement benefits?
The political impossibility of reforming or replacing Social Security is a main reason why the financial collapse of this country is inevitable.
Security for Socialists ... welcome to the US [S]ocialist A.
"'In all but four of the 400 cases' in the analysis, 'the annual income from saving outstrips the Social Security retirement benefit." The exceptions were "the very lowest income workers,'"
Consider what that really says: 4:400 is a 1% return net benefit.
If a private so-called ?investment? firm pull that kind of crap (i.e. A 1% return with 99% losses), it'd be sued left and right from every person involved and it's CEO would be in prison for fraud.
But people just ?Love-Gov? their 'Gun' packing criminals investment plan?
Too bloody stupid to realize 'Guns' are NOT making them sh*t; they are actually robbing them blind.
Falling for BS Love-Gov scams over and over and over again.
While those in D.C. are per-capita getting FIVE-TIMES the income as any other state in the union.
While miraculously producing absolutely nothing to speak of.
Yeah that is why it needs to massively cut spending, reduce the size and scope of government, get it's fingers out of all the pies that it does not belong in, end the bullshit spending congress has put through where the money has not been spent yet like EV chargers, trains to no where, climate change, ev solar and wind subsidies until the SS trust fund can be shored up.
The gov stole from the people and it's time to pay the people back. Congress can act. As far as I am concerned politicians act like they will not touch this because they are afraid for their reelection.
People should simply tell them, cut spending, fix the financial house or you will be voted out for someone that will.
Chicago doesn't need another observatory and studies on rats doing cocaine and monkeys sexual transition experiments need to be done with.
All of that assumes that if SS were somehow dismantled over time and younger earners were no longer subject to their 6.2% FICA tax and their employers, no longer subject to their 6.2% tax, chose to increase said earners wages by 6.2% that those young earners would save or invest the money. That’s unrealistic.
LOL... Being responsible for yourself is 'unrealistic'?
No. The unrealistic part is pretending no-one can be responsible for themselves so 'Guns' will take-care of them for themselves unless genocide is your proposed solution. (i.e. Exactly why failing security for socialists gov-gun plans has historically collected the bill right there ... genocide being the final answer)
So unrealistic it was done just like for the first 150-years of the USA's existence in which the USA became the fastest growing wealth of a nation the world had ever seen.
Frogs soaking in their pot of boiling water and complete incapable of realizing anymore how good things could be.
I did not say being responsible for yourself is unrealistic. What I said is most young people, in the real world, have a very low participation rate in retirement savings plans - that’s a fact.
Was SS designed as a forced savings plan - yes, it certainly was and remains such.
If people were allowed to put their forced savings into actual investments, then benefits are paid from procedes from the investments, not by taxing the next generation.
There's something else never addressed. Many retirees actually receive more from SS than they and they're employer's paid in. This is the folly of defined benefit plans with COLAs. As private industry found out and ceased them.
This is my case. I started my SS withdrawals at my earliest date. Age 62. Six years ago. The total paid into SS by myself and past employers over 40 years is $280,000. I've already received $175,000 in payments since then. In less than four years I will surpass the total paid in on my behalf.
There are plenty of people older than I am that are well past the pa y in. But they argue with me. Saying it's impossible.
No. No it's not. Not when the benefit is defined as SS is.
Now, if it was a defined contribution type of plan.......
What rate of return are you considering? It seems as though you are considering a 0% rate of return.
Sure, some individuals (and maybe even some cohorts) do still get back more than they put in when a reasonable rate of return is considered. But, as time goes by, the return on investment for each cohort (persons grouped by year of birth) gets worse, and it will continue to get worse.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1217123
The most direct fix is to just reduce benefits for everyone by about 23% when the surplus will be depleted in 2033.
"On the other hand, most people would be much better off if they could divert the money they currently surrender as payroll taxes to retirement savings plans like the 401(k)."
If, and only if, they are prohibited from withdrawing funds for any reason at all prior to full retirement.
Alternatively, if they withdraw funds prior to retirement, they are entered into a data base of persons prohibited from ever receiving any form of welfare.
I've thought of that too, see my usual repeat post below. The problem is the sob sisters and do-gooders who will use every sad case to push for bringing back the FICA tax and SSA.
One answer is to limit withdrawals to 5% a year, which leaves 5% growth as measured over the last 10 years (DJIA average yearly growth is 10%, S&P 500 is 13%). Any higher withdrawals have to be approved by sponsors legally obligated to take over care should account balances drop below what 5% can sustain. Or approved by several doctors attesting to a terminal illness. Or the legally-designated heirs; these "nest egg" accounts would be owned by the pensioners, not the government, with "owned" including those restrictions on excessive withdrawals.
It's a terrible intrusion into property rights, but so are all taxes, and it's the only way I can think of to not give the sob sisters and do-gooders ammunition to bring back FICA and SSA.
That's stupid. Have Nancy Pelosi manage social security investments, and they will beat the market by 30% every year!
The biggest problem I had in my career, both as a financial planner in the early years, and as a corporate CFO in the later ones, was convincing people to pay into the generous, defined contribution plans available. Even IRAs. They just refused. They expected society to cover them (the gov/ss). And justified it with, "I can barely afford to live. How can I defer any of my earnings into savings."
It was mind boggling! I chalk it up to the lack of life skill/personal finance planning in high schools.
Which begs the question.
Why do all these various ?welfare? systems (an endless list) exist?
...when they have absolutely nothing to do with 'welfare' (hut hum: Visiting the Local Welfare Office for assistance).
So the Gov-Gun *robbery* hand-out doesn't have to be met with any scrutiny?
I've posted versions of this before. I am no financial expert, and I know this is politically impossible. My purpose is to understand a "realistic" plan to convert SSA Ponzi pensions to private nest eggs. I am not saying this is perfect or possible, only that it is the best I could come up with.
The gist is that investing 1/4 of the FICA tax in private DJIA/S&P 500 indexed funds provides enough nest egg that a 5% annual withdrawal matches SSA pensions, and since the average annual return over the last 10 years is 10% (DJIA) and 13% (S&P 500), that still leaves 3%/6% capital growth over the Fed's 2% inflation target (my figures were pre-Bidenflation), and a good cushion for bad years.
* Keep the FICA tax on all workers to pay current full-strength and future pro-rated SSA pensions. It will decrease from its current 15.3% over time as current pensioners leave the system.
* All new SSA pensioners get reduced benefits pro-rated by the cutover date. The difference is made up from their new nest egg accounts. All employees keep paying FICA and get some prorated reduction in their buyout costs.
* Add a new 4% payroll tax which goes directly to individually owned DJIA/S&P 500 indexed accounts. Yes, all employees get a 4% pay cut, but as old pensioners die off, the FICA tax shrinks, and in about 10 years, the pay cut turns into an increasing pay raise. We all contributed to this mess, we all have to get out of it, and neither the Lone Ranger nor Harry Potter is coming to the rescue.
* Raise the SSA minimum retirement age to 70 years. Average life expectancy is 80 years. This implies half of full-strength SSA pensioners will be dead in 10 years and cut their FICA support needs in half, and the new pro-rated FICA pensioners require less FICA support. This gross simplification is why I speculate the 4% pay cut will vanish and turn into pay raises starting in 10 years.
* As time goes buy, SSA pensioners could bid for a lump sum nest egg buyout. Since it is spendable and inheritable, bids can be less than the strict 10%/13% necessary to maintain their current SSA pensions.
* I *think*, as another wild ass guess, that the FICA tax would drop to 1-2% within 20-30 years, leaving only the 4% nest egg tax. That's a 10% raise for everybody. The FICA tax would only finally disappear when the last SSA pensioner dies in 50+ years, although at some point, it might be simpler to just top up the last few SSA pensioners' nest egg accounts and cut them loose.
* The new nest egg tax invests $500 billion a year into the stock market. 50 years (working age 20-70) of that will stabilize at $25 trillion. Google says current mutual fund capitalization is $56 trillion. I do not think adding $500 billion, 1%, every year would destabilize the stock markets.
* Whether the new 4% nest egg payroll tax remains mandatory is a political decision. I'd be perfectly happy to make my own decisions and risk ending up in a bunk bed charity, but do-gooders and sob sisters will latch on to every pensioner who blows it in Vegas or loses it to a con artist, and try to restore SSA. Insurance companies could play a part. Guardians who have to approve unusual withdrawals could play a part. Legally binding waivers could play a part. But those do-gooders and sob sisters will also play a part.
Or just kick their butts out of the chair and make them learn to walk again.
About as realistic as expecting government cops to be kind and obey the constitution.
We're a nation of dreamers, Stupid. Where there's a will there's a way.
That applies to the sob sisters and do-gooders too. They've been expanding the welfare state since the Civil War. They aren't going to let 80 million pensioners go to waste any more than any other crisis.
he admitted that the economics were bad and that his plan was "straight politics" so "no damn politician can ever scrap my Social Security program."
For this reason alone, if for none other, FDR should burn in Hell for eternity.... and LBJ can join him there for Medicare.
Basically, he admits to committing the country to a suicide pact for his party's political gain. His statesmanship was greatly exaggerated, and was more of a con man than someone with good and sustainable ideas.
One of his underrated crimes was running for a third term, in 1940, a year before Pearl Harbor, on the grounds that it was too dangerous to switch horses mid-stream.
I don't like George Washington's reliance on the elites, or his put-down of the Whiskey Rebellion. But I give him full marks for taking his role as an elite seriously, especially in stopping the talk of a military rebellion after the war was over and his stepping down after two terms. Trouble was already brewing with France and Britain, and he didn't use the excuse of changing horses mid-stream. FDR spit on his grave when he ran for that third term, and he didn't do any better when he ran for his fourth term knowing how sick he was. I put him as the worst President, even above Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt and LBJ.
It should always be mentioned when talking about SS that the first Social Security recipient received nearly 1,000 times what she paid into the system.
Remove both Social Security caps: (a) On taxable income (presently at $176k; scheduled to rise to $183k in 2026) AND (b) on surcharge (presently $520/month on incomes >$500k).
Presently, someone making $1m a year pays the same social security tax as someone making $183k.
Presently, someone making $.5m a year is pays the same surcharge as someone making twice (or thrice or more) that amount.
Tax the rich!
How progressive of you.
Slaver.
"Remove both Social Security caps: (a) On taxable income (presently at $176k; scheduled to rise to $183k in 2026) AND (b) on surcharge (presently $520/month on incomes >$500k)."
For (b): are you referring to IRMAA regarding Medicare Part B and Part D? Just curious.
All this blustering about SS poor planning and yet it was the government that took the excess funds and spent them elsewhere that has removed any monies that are supposed to be in a SS trust fund.
So take money that congress has delegated to other programs like DEI, climate change, EV solar and wind, and instead put it into the SS trust fund and shore up the program.
Stop screwing around and get it done.
The BS is so thick and it's gross. No people should not have to delay when they receive benefits. No people should have to reduce the amount they receive because of greedy congresses of the past cheating them out of what was promised, no taxes should have to be increased, cut spending down to where the SS trust fund can be filled and the program can function as it was promised.
The cute part is; Your 'faith' that an above-the-law (UN-Constitutional) 'armed-theft' agency was going-to or will ever ensure it's own individual 'justice' for the people. The very fact it broke "the people's" law should've been a clue from the very beginning.
"to where the SS trust fund can be filled and the program can function as it was promised"
That is literally, economically impossible. It was a con, or at least a dream, from the beginning.
If it weren't, we'd all find it easy to be rich.
I suspect you know this, but there is NO SUCH THING as a sustainable defined benefit plan. The information required to determine how much must be contributed to meet the promised benefits doesn't exist for years after the contributions must be made.
That deserves a repeat +10000000000000. Said so well.
"literally, economically impossible. It was a con, or at least a dream, from the beginning"
"If it weren't, we'd all find it easy to be rich."
So long as people keep believing they can get something from nothing.
The socialist curse will never end.
...because getting something from nothing is the opposite of defending Liberty and ensuring Justice for all.
“All this blustering about SS poor planning and yet it was the government that took the excess funds and spent them elsewhere that has removed any monies that are supposed to be in a SS trust fund.”
Yes, Congress has, for decades, raided the SS trust fund for present day spending. They do the same to other government trust funds like the military retirement funds. When the “money” is removed from the trusts it is replaced with special issues US Treasury securities that pay interest to the trusts (the SS trust gained $70B in interest in 2024).
If the trust instead could not be borrowed from and receive interest on the amount borrowed, the “money” held in the trust would sit there and be eroded by inflation. The interest paid on the securities helps reduce that erosion.
Most likely scenario for SS will be something along the lines of the 1983 changes (which, by the way, impacted boomers) with a gradual increase in the full retirement age to 70 and possibly bumping the early retirement age up to 65.
Regardless of the Ponzi claims, SS is basically an insurance annuity. Benefit amounts are based on how much an individual has contributed, for how long and application of actuarial models to predict life expectancies/mortality rates.
SS has NEVER born ANY resemblance to an insurance annuity. Benefit amounts are NOT based on "contributions" OR life expectancy.
If an individual’s SS benefit amount is not based on their contribution via the SS portion of FICA taxes, explain to me why my SS benefit is double that of my wife? We are the same age, both worked in excess of 35 years (the max number of earning years considered under SS) and began taking SS benefits at the same age? The actuarial formulas are to determine how many people are likely to receive benefits for “x” number of years along with how many will die before being eligible to receive benefits.
"SS is basically an insurance annuity" ... then ... LET it be just an insurance annuity and get the 'Guns' (Gov-Guns) out of it. 'Guns' don't make sh*t; they just STEAL sh*t.
The ONLY reason Americans accepted the creation of Social Security in the first place is it was SOLD as a safety net, not a retirement plan. The claim was it was designed to take care of people that had saved for themselves, but outlived their savings. When the program was first introduced, the eligibility age was 5 years higher than the expected life expectancy of those paying for the program.
Which begs the question.
Why wasn't it just a local welfare office that scrutinized recipients?
Seems what it was a 'SALE' of was UN-scutinized 'armed-theft' of others earnings/labors/things.
We all accept that paying into SS isn't to benefit ourselves, but to benefit society as a whole by keeping the elderly out of poverty. Why then, couldn't the government remove the cap on contributions, while instituting a cap on benefits? A multi-millionaire certainly won't miss $1800/month in retirement.
If George the worker retires today and his wife is at the appropriate age, both can collect a benefit at the same time on his single account. If the spouse has an account, she gets the higher of the spousal benefit or her own. Right there, this needs to be fixed - one benefit should be paid at a time. Let the spousal benefit become a survivor benefit, paid after George passes.
Likewise, just because you were married for 10 years, if you are not married to each other at the time George files for retirement, then you should not be eligible for a benefit too.
In theory, 5 people could all be collecting on George's account at the same time. No wonder the system is going broke!