Two Cases That Demonstrate the Incoherence of Trump's Immigration Policy
The Trump administration cut a deal with Venezuela to return a triple murderer to American shores while it tries to deport someone accused of much less.

Much of President Donald Trump's second term has been characterized by a hard line on immigration: deporting the undocumented as quickly and recklessly as possible to protect the American homeland from dangerous criminal aliens.
As it turns out, a couple of cases recently in the news complicate this narrative and show that the administration seems to care much less about someone's actual criminality than their citizenship status.
Earlier this month, the U.S. released 252 migrants back to Venezuela in exchange for 10 American citizens and permanent residents being held in that country. The Venezuelans had been arrested and deported under Trump's invocation of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act and were being held in El Salvador's Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), a maximum security prison.
"Today, thanks to President Trump's leadership and commitment to the American people, the United States welcomes home ten Americans who were detained in Venezuela," Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced on July 18. "It is unacceptable that Venezuelan regime representatives arrested and jailed U.S. nationals under highly questionable circumstances and without proper due process. Every wrongfully detained American in Venezuela is now free and back in our homeland."
As it turns out, one of those 10 detainees was Dahud Hanid Ortiz, a Venezuelan-born U.S. citizen who served in the U.S. Army for nearly two decades and earned a Purple Heart in Iraq. But in 2016, while Hanid Ortiz lived in Germany, authorities say he traveled to Spain and brutally murdered three people in an attorney's office before setting it on fire to hide the evidence. Spanish officials say he suspected his ex-wife was romantically involved with the lawyer, but the three people he killed were unrelated bystanders.
Hanid Ortiz fled to Venezuela, where he was detained in 2018. While the country's constitution forbids the extradition of Venezuelan-born citizens, it allows for them to be tried for crimes committed overseas. In January 2024, Hanid Ortiz was convicted of triple murder and sentenced to 30 years in prison.
And yet he was included as one of the 10 Americans who were, in Rubio's words, "wrongfully detained" and repatriated to U.S. soil. The Washington Post reported on July 24 that Hanid Ortiz has not been seen since his return and "the Trump administration has refused to disclose his whereabouts," though an official speaking on the condition of anonymity confirmed that he "was in the United States and not being detained."
"The State Department is not commenting on why a man convicted of murdering three people in Madrid was among the 10 U.S. citizens Venezuela released last week as part of a prisoner exchange," NBC News added.
"The United States had the opportunity to secure the release of all Americans detained in Venezuela, many of whom reported being subjected to torture and other harsh conditions," a department spokesperson told The Guardian. "For privacy reasons, I won't get into the details of any specific case."
But this doesn't quite square with the Trump administration's other most high-profile deportation case, in which officials are all too happy to speak about a deportee they want out of the country.
In March, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents arrested Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an undocumented Salvadoran man living in Maryland, and deported him three days later to CECOT. It later became clear Abrego Garcia had already been through multiple hearings in immigration court and was granted "withholding of removal to El Salvador" over fears of being targeted by gangs in that country.
Trump responded by claiming that Abrego Garcia was a member of the violent Venezuelan gang MS-13, using vague accusations and creative interpretations of his tattoos as evidence. The administration insisted, even in the face of a unanimous Supreme Court decision, that it had no obligation to return Abrego Garcia to the U.S., that it couldn't even if it wanted to, and that regardless, he was never coming back anyway.
"He is not coming back to our country," Attorney General Pam Bondi told Fox News. "That's the end of the story." In a social media post, the White House's X account referred to Abrego Garcia as an "MS-13 illegal alien…who's never coming back."
That all fell apart in June, when Abrego Garcia was suddenly returned to the U.S. to appear in federal court. A federal grand jury indictment alleges he conspired to transport "undocumented aliens and narcotics" and "firearms" into the U.S., as "a member and associate" of "MS-13." NOTUS quoted a Trump official saying in court that at the conclusion of a trial, "Our plan is that he will be taken into ICE custody" and deported to a country other than El Salvador. (The White House later called this report "fake news.")
Earlier this month, federal judges in Tennessee and Maryland ruled that Abrego Garcia must be released on bail and cannot be immediately deported again. As Reason's Liz Wolfe noted at the time, this did not sit well with the Trump administration: "The fact this unhinged judge is trying to tell ICE they can't arrest someone who is subject to immigration arrest under federal law is insane," Department of Homeland Security spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin told Politico.
At this point, it's worth noting who the Trump administration feels is worth keeping in the U.S., and who it feels should be deported, imprisoned, or both.
Abrego Garcia is accused of some unsavory actions—apart from the vague allegations of trafficking and gang membership, his wife filed for a temporary order of protection against him in 2021, which she later withdrew.
But importantly, he was never convicted of any of these things; before he was deported to a maximum security prison in Central America, he had not been charged with them, either.
Hanid Ortiz, meanwhile, was arrested, tried, and convicted of three murders, and yet the Trump administration used hundreds of people as bargaining chips, in part, to get him released and back on American streets. Trump seems to care much more about someone's immigration status than the actual danger they pose.
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I agree. Deport them all and never allow any of them back in. Reason now starting to get it.
Man, you're right. Let's just stop all border enforcement and deportation efforts.
How about this instead:
The peaceful ones can stay.
The violent ones can go.
The peaceful ones can stay.
The violent ones can go.
1. And create an injustice for those who've been waiting years to go through the normal, legal process, thus incentivizing the illegal method.
B) I'm 100% for the idea of the peaceful ones staying, but first we need to completely eliminate the welfare system.
B) I'm 100% for the idea of the peaceful ones staying, but first we need to completely eliminate the welfare system.
IOW - you're completely in favor of deporting them until such time as pigs fly.
At least you noticed the fallacy of the libertarian argument when confronted with the fact of huge numbers of illegal migrants enjoying endless welfare benefits. "Hey man, what we really should be doing is dismantling the welfare state man, but in the meantime, make sure the border stays open". Funny how two can play at that game, and play it well.
That was common sense by libertarians long ago. Before they became pro-weed and butt sex Democrats.
Yep.
Just not interested in having to pay to support them.
1. And create an injustice for those who've been waiting years to go through the normal, legal process, thus incentivizing the illegal method.
The entire immigration system is unjust. Let all the peaceful people stay.
B) I'm 100% for the idea of the peaceful ones staying, but first we need to completely eliminate the welfare system.
Why?
Oh, and in the past election I am sure that you voted your convictions and voted for the guy who promised to abolish the welfare state. Right? Right? Oh wait, maybe you voted for the guy who promised to preserve the welfare state for the 'right people'.
Why?
Surely you are not this dense.
I am aware of many reasons to claim to want to get rid of the welfare state before permitting more immigration. I want to know what is *your* reason.
Probably the obvious problems that come with an open border and a robust welfare system.
We need no open borders, and no welfare. We also need more McCarthyism to cleanse our great country of Neo Marxist Sorosite traitors, such as yourself.
Yes, Jeffy is this dense, and stop calling him Shirley. We don’t want give into his fantasies.
1. And create an injustice for those who've been waiting years to go through the normal, legal process, thus incentivizing the illegal method.
That reads just like what a leftist would say when someone tries to cut taxes or regulations. "What about the people who followed the rules? Cutting taxes and regulations is unfair! Unfair unfair unfair!"
Something about the Church of Trump turns rational conservatives into sniveling, emotional leftists obsessed with fairness.
And what has Trump done to you mentally? You have turned into something akin to SPB or squirrelsy since the last election. Incoherent bitching without a trace of evidence. Rabid criticism of GOP policies while defending the same shit from the left. You are a partisan hack, suffering from TDS.
Get some help.
Incoherent bitching without a trace of evidence.
It's a given that when Democrats tax businesses, those taxes are going to be passed through as price increases. Democrats will disagree and say that businesses are sitting on huge profits and can just make less money. But anyone with any sense and knowledge about profit margins knows that that's just not true.
Yet when Trump taxes businesses, his defenders argue that those taxes won't raise prices. Those importers are sitting on huge profits and can just make less money. So what if the tax is bigger than their profit margin? They can just take it on the chin.
You Trump defenders are just like Democrats.
Rabid criticism of GOP policies while defending the same shit from the left.
Lol! I mock the fact that you guys praise the GOP when they enact policies that you complained about when Democrats did it. Then you call me a partisan hack?
Get some help. Or better yet, get a brain.
Just, wow, Sarc. You really have gone full retard here. You do have a bizarre obsession with Trump, almost as if he really, totally, completely broke you in 2024. Even more so than you’ve been broken before. Idaho Bob is right, get some help, dudette.
His Brian isn’t a a shriveled, pickled little walnut suspended in MD 20/20.
Ever thought for a moment that the imported goods are on the shelf competing against US goods for just slightly less? But the actual profit margins on the imported products are much higher than the margins are for the US goods?
When the tariff is applied if the importer raised the price of the imported goods they would then potentially become priced more expensive than the US goods and will never sell? The importer has not raised the price of the goods and instead absorbed the tariffs which reduced their profit margins slightly but they are still profiting at higher margins than the US goods they are competing with.
Unless the US made goods increase in price there will be no inflation.
Ever thought for a moment that the imported goods are on the shelf competing against US goods for just slightly less? But the actual profit margins on the imported products are much higher than the margins are for the US goods?
Yup.
When the tariff is applied if the importer raised the price of the imported goods they would then potentially become priced more expensive than the US goods and will never sell?
Yeah. That's the purpose of protective tariffs. To raise the price of imports so that they don't sell.
The importer has not raised the price of the goods and instead absorbed the tariffs which reduced their profit margins slightly but they are still profiting at higher margins than the US goods they are competing with.
That can only happen for so long. Eventually they have to raise prices or operate at a loss.
Unless the US made goods increase in price there will be no inflation.
If the price of scotch, brandy, champaign, and vodka go up, but the price of bourbon does not, has the overall price of booze increased? Why yes, it has. That's inflation.
Jeff wants to define what is peaceful. He wants child rapists to cross over illegally, as an example.
"And create an injustice for those who've been waiting years to go through the normal, legal process, thus incentivizing the illegal method."
You mean like how the US allowed all those Cubans to be naturalized by the The Cuban Adjustment Act enacted in 1966 that finally ended in 2017?
Trump and the DOJ still have not released the Epstein files. Why is he protecting the pedophiles on that list ? Could he be a pedo himself ? Who are the republicans, democrats, and maga nut-jobs protecting and why are we NOT simply asking the still living and available to be dispositioned victims themselves ? They are right there... being all alive and ready to talk.
The ones under court seal dumdum?
Watch the Carlson/Cooper interview. Everybody wants a sound bite and a list of pedophile indictments. The problem is that blackmail was not Epstein's primary business if existed at all. He was an arms deal facilitator going back to Iran/Contra. His job was to ingratiate himself to powerful people, not blackmail them. It's never been a secret that Trump was pals with Epstein among thousands of other wealthy people. But if you think the DOJ has video of Trump banging a 14 year old you are going to be disappointed. If they did they would have made it public years ago. And even if it happened there is no video or client list.
There are no Diddy videos, agreed. What is there are the sworn depos from the victims at the time with names of participants involved, taken by the FBI. They named names under oath and nothing was done to follow up or investigate those they pointed out as who abused them, who was there watching / participating, and knew about it. That is the list that exists and they won't release. Of course, if they won't release that list... I don't see what is stopping them from interviewing the now of age victims before Congress. Except guilt.
Oh, *now* you want the President to ignore the power of the courts?
"It is unacceptable that Venezuelan regime representatives arrested and jailed U.S. nationals under highly questionable circumstances and without proper due process.
Wait wait wait I was told for months now that migrants aren't entitled to due process. Why should anyone be upset when due process is omitted for Americans abroad?
Did they break into Venezuela? Or were they working with valid visas?
Does it matter? They aren't Venezuelan citizens, are they? So what rights do they have in Venezuela?
Clearly none. Hence, they were in prison.
The Trump administration cut a deal with Venezuela to return a triple murderer to American shores while it tries to deport someone accused of much less.
Only two murders? Just rape?
Rape without saying they are sorry. Unforgivable.
Let me clear this up for you Joe.
Q) Are you here illegally?
A) then deport
Seems coherent.
I am amazed where judge's can unilaterally decide a final deportation order is not REALLY a deportation order.
And Joe's next good column will be his first.
Especially when the law specifically excludes article 3 judges.
Such a column will never exist.
Advice to the Trump administration:
That TV-looking QWERTY thingy on your desk that you use to watch the Epstein videos...it can also be used to read the records of incoming and outgoing immigrants/prisoners.
I'd say terminate all visas and remove ALL non-citizens. Specifically ALL NON-CITIZENS.
Period.
And then start over from scratch.
"Borders are, like, just abstract social constructs, man." is *literally* incoherent. Additionally, as foundational policy... not a trickle down byproduct of cherry-picked enforcement, not a contextual misinterpretation, or "We mean end the welfare state *and* open the borders" error-by-ommission, straight up incoherence as motivation.
Trump and MAGAs hate all immigrants. All of their actions are consistent in that.
Lefties hate citizens. Your point?
You really earn your name, Dr. Retard. If they hate all immigrants, then answer me why Trump’s wife is an immigrant, and so many legal immigrants are MAGA?
so many legal immigrants are MAGA
They're racists against themselves, or something.
does this piece address whether the prisoner is headed to prison once in America?
Cites an anonymous source claiming he's wandering the streets of DC with a machete. We can only hope he's outside the district court when the judges head out for martini hour. Seriously this guy was accused by Germany of murder in Spain and tried in absentia in Venezuela and now he's in the US where he is a legal resident. That's a lot of jurisdictions and I have no idea what kind of due process he's entitled to at this point. I suspect that the DOJ is sorting through all of this and he'll be indicted. The only thing we know for sure is that he won't be deported and isn't that the only important thing?
So he is a citizen of America, Germany, Spain, and venezuela?
Look Joe matter of factly lays it out above. Dude was born in Venezuela but at some point became a US citizen. He later self deported to Germany and subsequently to Spain to kill a few people. Then back to Germany then he self deports to his native country Venezuela even though he's an American citizen because they won't extradite to Spain or Germany or something. He stands trial based on evidence that is not shared, probably in the interest of brevity. But I digress. So... This is where it all gets interesting. Orangeman swoops in and grabs the guy because he is technically a US citizen and also apparently a Venezuelan citizen. I think. But deep down Trump really wants violent citizen criminals wandering the streets in contravention of his previous claims. But considering the fact that he's a citizen and the entire story doesn't involve illegal immigrants at all except for Venezuelans heading in the opposite direction, it's possible that Joe is tossing out a red herring that doesn't support the Reason narrative at all.
But I've been told being under any jurisdiction makes one a citizen here.
https://youtu.be/Xle3I-5nfpI?t=34
I know we make deals to return people from foreign prisons to domestic prisons I had no idea about the 40 acres and a machete program
The tried in absentia is what gets me - Reason is looking so hard for a win that they're pimping something that wouldn't be acceptable under any other circumstances.
Where is their concern for due process now?
If he's accused of committing a murder in Spain, Spain can demand extradition and try him there. Until then he's innocent under theaw.
Your incompetence is astronomical. Abrego-Garcia has had a deportation order since 2019 and has been avoiding that order for six years. I am more open to accept that the courts in Venezuela are corrupt along with the many federal courts who are proving their corruption in the US. You're incompetent because you want us to believe these corrupt courts because of feelings. Why haven't you questioned why a federal district court judge seems to think they are a King of the US? To tell the executive branch they cannot enforce the law due to feelings is an extreme overstepping of the courts authority, yet you criticize the administration instead of the judges abusing their authority. So far, the administration has yet to abuse it's authority as determined by the scotus, though several federal district court judges have, and not one article about the judges abusing their authority.
Yeah these cases have nothing in common. One is illegal immigrant who has been dodging deportation for years. Nobody denies that fact but 2 judges are demanding a special carve out just to virtue signal apparently. The other is a US citizen returned in a prisoner exchange. I have no reason to doubt that he's guilty of murder but trials in absentia are notorious for their potential kangaroo aspects. At this point it seems he could be extradited to Spain if they want him. Or possibly tried or jailed in the US if we have any jurisdiction at this point. In any case it's an apples and oranges comparison and just a cut and paste Democrat talking point.
The only thing wrong with Maryland Man was he shouldn't have been sent to El Salvador, but literally ANY other country was fair game.
True. But it turns out better to bring him back to the US and charge him for the crimes he committed in the US. This could bring in more illegal gang bangers that can be removed making the streets even safer.
Careful what you wish for. Garcia's due process will most likely lead to being sent back to CeCot to serve out his sentencing but not in the cushy lounge with margaritas but in the heart of the jungle where Garcia is made into a margarita by his cell mates.
I still dont know what law the judge invoked to disallow repatriation to his country of citizenship.
At the time of the original order it was that it was too dangerous for him to go back because he faced persecution (not imprisonment). This is fairly normal.
Of course, the persecution was coming from a rival gang - Garcia murdered the mother of one of their members;)
He also doesn't realize that staying 60 days past a final deportation orders is a felony.
Why is it so difficult for some folks to understand, comprehend, that illegal immigrants are not CITIZENS or legal permanent residents?
If anyone and everyone regardless of status is treated the same way then there is no meaning to being a citizen. I am sure there is 300 million+ people who take exception to watering down the meaning and the privledges of being an American citizen.
I could be wrong but I highly doubt it. So to be clear, illegals are not citizens and they do not have the rights of nor the protections of the US government.
You are wrong - in fact the Constitution specifically states all Persons, not just "Citizens", are entitled to due process and equal protection (Fifth and Forteenth amendments) in this country, legal or not. Why? Because these are concepts of very basic human rights that have been around in various stages for centuries, and that all advanced societies have adopted.
Yes, of course US Citizens do have rights that "illegals" don't: privileges or immunities, voting rights, holding office, various public benefits (e.g. Social Security), etc. But due process is a universal right of everyone - unless it's a backwater shithole like Venezuela - regardless of status, or it should be - would America be so "great" if it was less than that?
A good article if you're genuinely interested: https://clearwaterlawgrouptricities.com/5-rights-of-undocumented-immigrants/
Oh please. Hoover and Roosevelt threw out 6 million Mexicans without going through a phalanx of lawyers and judges. Eisenhower got rid of millions too.
The Maryland Man went through multiple Immigration trials and appeals, and the immigration court determined he was a gang member and ordered him removed, BUT NOT TO EL SALVADOR. That carve-out was because 10 years ago (?) he fled El Salvador fearing for his life, after attempting to defend his mothers Papusa (?) stand against a rival gang that he feared would attack him upon return.
So he left his mom to fend off the gang members herself? Really?
Please, explain to me why a man driving a car with no license or insurance was taken into custody and then released without charges? Seriously, I've never heard of anyone being being caught driving without a license or insurance and then handed their keys and being sent on his way.
Serious question - does the gang he fled El Salvador to get away from still exist?
Last I heard he was being charged with Human Trafiking, but that case hadn't gone to trial - yet - so I'm not sure about the 'flimsiest of cases' label...
The order actually said no Guatemala, not El Salvador.
The gang he was in fear of does not in fact exist in El Salvador anymore. They do have a presence in America though.
I believe I read the Tennessee authorities called DC and were told to let him go. For all we know Maryland man may have been working for Otto Penn hustling illegals around the US.
deporting the undocumented
*facepalm*
"The State Department is not commenting on why a man convicted of murdering three people in Madrid was among the 10 U.S. citizens Venezuela released last week as part of a prisoner exchange," NBC News added.
Because he's a US Citizen. And we don't leave ours out in the wild untamed hinterlands to twist in the wind. Not even the worst among them.
Now, granted, we should probably have some idea as to his whereabouts (black site, black site, please be a black site!) but the fact is that a criminal conviction in another country means nothing in America. It's not like we can say, "Well you were found guilty in Spain and would be in jail in Spain - so that automatically means jail in America, with no arrest, charge, or trial."
You KNOW that Joe, but yet you ignored it to try and smear the effort to rid this nation of its illegals.
At this point, it's worth noting who the Trump administration feels is worth keeping in the U.S., and who it feels should be deported, imprisoned, or both.
Yea. American citizens get to stay in America. Illegal aliens get punted out. I don't know why this is such a head-scratcher for you, Joe.
Trump seems to care much more about someone's immigration status than the actual danger they pose.
Yes. He's made it very clear: if you are not an American citizen legally within the borders of this nation, you're out. What is it you struggle to understand about that, as you pathetically try to craft some narrative of a hypocrisy that does not exist?
You have to wonder why Venezuela was willing to release 10 Americans that could have been a bargaining chip for so many other things. Instead, they traded them for 100 of their gang members. It's almost as if they were part of their government's deliberate invasion and they preferred to have them returned to be used for other missions than have them sit in a U.S. prison.
Reason editors are really upset that some of their cohorts are being arrested and deported.
"200 Illegal Alien Child Sex Offenders Arrested in Houston in Six Months"
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2025/07/28/200-illegal-alien-child-sex-offenders-arrested-in-houston-in-six-months/
"Two Cases That Demonstrate the Incoherence of
Trump'sLancaster'sImmigration PolicyTrump Derangement Syndrome"FIFY
you can have mass immigration or you can have mass govt handouts but you can't have both.
Preferably neither. But having both is actually impossible.
Abrego Garcia was a member of the violent Venezuelan gang MS-13, using vague accusations and creative interpretations of his tattoos as evidence.
The accusations are only vague because Reason and left wing media refuse to report facts which conflict with their preferred conclusion. In official court documents he was accused of gang membership by his wife's ex and the father of the children Garcia lived with. The accusations against Garcia were as sound as any.
This is much like the left wing media's response to the Hunter Biden laptop. After three days they stopped trying to prove it fake and just kept repeating that it was disinformation. Reason apparently took that as a lesson and now refuse to investigate leads that might lead to the wrong information becoming known.
Don't kid yourself. They refuse to investigate anything. They don't investigate AT ALL. I've lost count of how many times I'VE investigated something they should have, that turns their narrative on its head.
They're State Media. Parroting their government masters. The so-called "libertarians" here are actually Big Gov.
Sigh - Abrego Garcia wasn’t convicted because the Biden admin forbade the cop who stopped him from arresting him, despite the guy being found with passengers who all gave his address for residence. The car belonged to a convicted human trafficker.
He was only granted a deportation waiver to ES, even though the court found him to be a gang member and rejected his asylum claim. That nonsense would have been a moot point if that protection was removed once he was found to be a human trafficker, or if Biden made any attempt to deport him to another country. They didn’t. No one did a thing on this illegal alien POS.
Again - human trafficker, two time wife abuser, failed pupusa businessman. Illegal alien. Whether he belonged to a gang doesn’t even matter. This guy was allowed to stay in the country for 20 years while Americans went to jail for singing hymns at an abortion clinic. Yeah, how did Trump win again?
The only “incoherence”I see here is reason’s false equivalence and selective morality, all n fanatical service to immigration. No, a president bringing home 10 imprisoned Americans which includes one accused criminal does not disqualify him in trying to deport an illegal
Alien. If am American was accused of shoplifting and he was somehow stranded n North Korea, we should try to extract him. He’s like, one of us.
The cases cited actually demonstrate the author of the article is more interested in bashing the President than in accurately analyzing anything.
That's Ree-sin for you
Could it potentially be that Trump took the murderer off Venezuela's hands as part of a deal? This isn't a prisoner exchange in the normal sense because it appears neither side wants either of the groups.
Trump was a turd of a choice for president, but considering the other option of Harris, he is still preferable. Trump is a chaotic disruptor of the deep-state bureaucracy and is hated by both factions if the uni-party who feel threatened by him.
While I don't like Trump, and have never voted for him, I do like the fact that he disorients the deep-state bureaucracy. My hope is that the legislative branch permanently reclaims power from the executive branch and the states permanently reclaims power from the federal government.
If hatred of Trump is what drives the deep-state bureaucracy to accept this, I call it a win. I don't hate Trump, I do hate the deep-state bureaucracy. Trump frustrates me, but he is a mixed bag of some good things, some so-so things and some bad things.
The deep-state bureaucracy is essentially the sum of evil derived from legitimate concerns, but where all common sense is tossed out, and personal gain/interest is amplified. If not that everyone in government is rotten to the core, but the sum of government is rotten.