MAGA's Epstein Files Fight Shows the Long Tail of QAnon
Like sex trafficking panic more broadly, the Epstein files are a useful political tool—as long as they remain hidden.

Remember QAnon? The conspiracy theory, popular among President Donald Trump's supporters for years, held that a furtive network of satanic pedophiles had infiltrated political institutions, the press, and other echelons of power and influence. According to Q lore, Trump was working to expose and punish these cretins—who included Hillary Clinton and other prominent Democrats—and to end the child suffering, sex trafficking, and hormone harvesting that these horrible globalists were engaging in.
QAnon—itself preceded by the perhaps even more zany Pizzagate conspiracy—was too out there for mainstream Republicans to explicitly endorse. But neither would they explicitly condemn the theory or its believers, and they often seemed happy to play along with the narrative, touting Trump's alleged crackdown on child sex trafficking.
Republicans took a lot of flak for this, but of course, Democrats had been stoking sex trafficking panic for their own gain, too. QAnon didn't start in a vacuum; it followed two decades of mainstream media and politicians, both left and right, using the flimsiest evidence and most distorted data to falsely claim that America was in the midst of a sex trafficking epidemic.
And then along came Jeffrey Epstein.
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Epstein Helped Bring the Promise of QAnon to Life
The finance mogul's well-documented crimes involving teenage girls, and his roster of rich and powerful friends, could be read by motivated audiences as backing up QAnon claims. Sure, there were no satanists or adrenochrome harvesting—or were there? Epstein's seemingly lenient treatment during a mid-aughts prosecution in Florida, and his subsequent suicide in a federal jail cell in 2019, led to a lot of speculation that the "deep state" was working to cover things up.
Here was a sex-trafficking conspiracy theory that the mainstream right could embrace. After all, no one would dispute that Epstein had engaged in sleazy, abusive behavior with girls and young women, or that he had flown both his victims and some powerful people to his private island. It wasn't that much of a stretch to suggest that Epstein's "client list" was being covered up, nor too far-fetched to suggest that the reason for this cover-up had to do with protecting prominent Democrats and their supporters. (I'm not saying I believe either assertion, just that they aren't beyond belief in the way that Clinton torturing children in the basement of a D.C. pizza joint should be).
Folks in Trump's orbit began to actively encourage the idea that Epstein's client list was being deliberately withheld by Democrats with something to hide.
And, on the campaign trail, Trump suggested that he would declassify the Epstein files if elected president.
Then, back in February, the Trump administration made a big show of giving influencers binders supposedly containing the so-called Epstein files. These binders turned out to be full of information already available.
Nothing To See Here?
But last week, the FBI released a memo saying there was nothing left in the Epstein files that was worth releasing. There was "no incriminating 'client list' and "no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed" anyone. "No further disclosure would be appropriate or warranted," it said.
"Teams of agents, analysts, attorneys, and privacy and civil liberties experts combed through the digital and documentary evidence with the aim of providing as much information as possible to the public while simultaneously protecting victims," stated the memo. "Much of the material is subject to court-ordered sealing. Only a fraction of this material would have been aired publicly had Epstein gone to trial, as the seal served only to protect victims and did not expose any additional third-parties to allegations of illegal wrongdoing. Through this review, we found no basis to revisit the disclosure of those materials and will not permit the release of child pornography."
Now, Trump is telling people to forget about Jeffrey Epstein entirely. The Epstein files were created by the same Democrats who "created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me," Trump posted to Truth Social last Saturday. "Let's…not waste Time and Energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about."
"I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody," Trump told reporters yesterday. "It's pretty boring stuff—it's sordid, but it's boring, and I don't understand why it keeps going. I think only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going."
It is all a bit weird—even to someone like me, who finds the idea that Epstein kept some sort of master "client list" to be silly.
The Real Reason Republicans Have Changed Their Tune About Epstein
I don't believe there is such a smoking-gun list in possession of federal agents, and I remain skeptical that there's anything left hidden in any Epstein files that would be a bombshell. But even I must admit, the whole "release the files" business seems slightly less preposterous now that Trump and his lackeys seem desperate to draw attention away from them.
Then again, if there was really something bad for Trump or his allies in the files, why wouldn't the Justice Department simply omit that part? Surely, the Trump administration could just redact or withhold whatever it didn't want out there (maybe with legal justification or maybe not; the lack of legal means hasn't seemed to bother this administration elsewhere) and release the rest.
Besides, if there was something particularly damning about Trump in the files, it surely wouldn't have been kept secret for so long. After all, a lot of Epstein information found its way to the public before being officially released.
Maybe the simplest answer really is the most likely one: There isn't anything left that's worth releasing. And Trump is trying to encourage his supporters to forget about all this because he's got to suppress expectations after years of building them up.
The theoretical files were useful as a tool to raise suspicion about Trump's opponents. But the actual files are not useful to Republicans—and, in fact, could be a liability or an embarrassment—in that they don't actually prove anything nefarious about any Democrats.
Sex Trafficking Rhetoric (but Not Reality) Makes a Useful Political Tool
Whatever is actually going on, the response within the MAGA world is entirely predictable. Of course, some especially sycophantic types are telling everyone to trust Trump and let it go. And, of course, some people who've been fed a lot of Epstein file fantasies for years—promised, in essence, that this was what QAnon conspiracy theorists had been waiting for—are at the very least miffed, if not downright suspicious, about the way this is playing out.
As someone who can frequently be found trying to tamp down sex trafficking hysteria, I might also seem like someone who would be especially critical of QAnon believers and of their watered-down counterparts who are convinced that the Epstein files will offer some sort of astounding and damning new revelations. But I'm not. Because it's not really their fault. They have been fed by decades of conspiracy theories—from the satanic panic of the 1980s to the sex trafficking rhetoric of the '00s through today—from the most establishment politicians (Democrat and Republican) and a lot of mainstream media.
I can't say I hate watching Trump reap what he's been sowing here. But I also can't pretend that Trump—or Republicans—have been alone in sowing it.
The specter of sex trafficking has been a useful tool for both Republicans and Democrats, giving them cover to do all sorts of things otherwise on their agenda: stigmatize and further crack down on prostitution, increase surveillance of immigrants, gain more control over online speech, and so on.
"Chasing down the one last secret of the Epstein case" is likely "missing the forest for the trees," as my colleague Matthew Petti wrote in February. "The information that's already out there about the powerful figures and institutions who enabled Epstein is damning enough in itself."
The actual information out there doesn't make for a neatly partisan cudgel, however.
As a political tool, the Epstein files are much more useful if they remain hidden.
That's why we had Republicans clamoring for their release when Joe Biden was president but now voting against their release. And Democrats who didn't seem that keen on it are voting to release the files and calling for their exposure now that the Trump administration is saying to forget about them.
Like with QAnon, and with the broader political rhetoric around sex trafficking, the Epstein files are likely only useful as political theater when the truth remains obscured—not because that truth is especially sinister and damning, but because it is not. There is plenty to vociferously condemn with Epstein, of course. But the idea that the Epstein files can bring down Democrats, or bring down Trump, seems like only partisan wish casting.
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Oh shut the fuck up. Here's a real journalist on Epstein:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmU0ub2F93E
Release the list
Redact and release everything.
Release everything and don’t redact any photos.
- Pluggo
Release everything, and only redact CP.
lol The Influencers!! ...
I note the distinct lack of not only Mastodon tweets, but BlueSky tweets, which ENB said she'd be exclusively using instead of twitter.
this too:
>>Remember QAnon?
um, not really
I know it's something that the ill informed and uncurious, like ENB, screech about. Beyond that I really have no idea.
this.
Threads is chopped liver now?
Besides, if there was something particularly damning about Trump in the files, it surely wouldn't have been kept secret for so long.
Unless him and his pal, Bill Clinton, were caught on film engaged in a devil's triangle.
Just who was it they were spit roasting?
For the good of all humanity, I hope for a consenual encounter with Rosie O'Donnell; I dare not speculate past that.
You are a brave man. Salute.
Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of a victimless crime!
Can't wait for the Sullum article!
Do you sullumly swear you’d read it?
What ENB seems to ignore is that so many rich and powerful people would be exposed that both halves of the Uniparty want the public to forget Epstein.
It does not make sense that so many rich and powerful people spent so much time in Epstein's company and on Epstein's island, and there are "thousands" of videos of underage women being at least statutorily raped, and yet the FBI claims there is nothing to release. There may well be no "master client list", but Epstein sure as shit had contacts on his phone and email.
There's something fishy going on.
Epstein was either an FBI/CIA asset or MOSSAD's. The island looks like a badger game setup but for what end? For all we know he may not have killed himself or killed by anyone else. He may be living in the most luxurious witness protection program ever devised. Not releasing the files smells of deep state involvement.
Bill Clinton had CIA connections from cocaine being flown into Mena. It would not surprise me if that's how Clinton and Epstein met.
this
All of that. Maybe ENB should comb through the Reason archives that contain thousands of pages about CIA/FBI ops. Of course that was before the deep state and lawfare became cool in 2016.
Naftali Bennett has emphaticakly denied that he was working for Israel.
He said he was not an agent, but could have been an asset, perhaps unknowingly, entertaining people sent there to get some blackmail material.
never official until officially denied
Well once you release a video like that to the public it loses its blackmail power.
If there ever was a list (a really, really stupid thing for a criminal to have) it has been deleted, written over three times, and deleted again.
Let us all remember these data sets have been in FBI "custody" for years.
Maybe wiped like with a cloth?
Liberals don't really care about the Epstein mess. We know Trump is a kiddy diddler and that his base does not care. To us is is just a waste of time.
What is really sad is that Trump won't just release the files. They had plenty of time to alter or fabricate the documents. It is embarrassing that our country has fallen to such inept morons.
With all the deep state leaks and Biden 4 years, along woth all the legal attacks, why wasn't it released during Biden if Trump is all over it doc retard?
By the way, ever figure out if boars had tits?
Holy crap that boar thing was funny.
It was not released because Ds don't care enough to make any effort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_milk
OMG are trying to double down?
https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-milk-innuendo-farm-cow-gif-11144713135790804197
Lol. Doc retard strikes again.
But guess those who don't believe in gendered language can be extra retarded.
Ds just came within one vote of having the House of Representatives force the release of the files
Maybe the same reason it wasn't released when it first was discovered, during the first Trump admin, and still hasn't been released. Or maybe the interim admin was too busy cleaning up the mess left over from Covid. Maybe the deep state is actually the GOP.
Why didn't Biden release them? We wouldn't have a Trump releasing them or not problem if Biden would have done it.
I bet there are more dems/liberals in those videos than conservatives.
We know Trump is a kiddy diddler and that his base does not care. To us is is just a waste of time.
"We" don't know anything like that. Unless by "we" you mean the voices in your head. Trump is unlikely to be a kiddy diddler, and most of his base would care, if it was true. And, it seems unlikely to be. "Nobody would care if Trump killed someone on 5th Avenue! He said it himself!" Except that he has not, in fact, killed anybody. So, I guess we'll never find out. But, keep up the witch hunts, the more you cry wolf, the more we ridicule you and refuse to ever believe anything you will ever say.
So, shut up retard.
It's people who still think the Steele dossier is credible.
He's been quoted many times saying as such--saying far more that should have derailed any political and public career but due to the level of hypocrisy on the right, it's all forgiven and forgotten. But then it's probably all fake right? Or he's joking right? Or he's above it all, right?
Nothing a Leftist says can be believed, and should be immediately ridiculed and dismissed.
All the name calling LIKE PEDOPHILE, on this site by you MAGA brown shirt goosesteppers don't give a FUCK Trump said he would date that 10 year old in 10 years. Or bragging about grabbing pussy because he can as a celebrity. Or walking in on naked Miss Teen USA contestants. Or how he would date his daughter. YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF PARANOID HYPOCRITE FUCKING GOOSESTEPPING CULT CLOWNS.
Nothing a Leftist says can be believed, and should be immediately ridiculed and dismissed.
People wanting the Epstein files as promised = QAnon?
What a bullshit take.
Pretending there is zero pedophilia or sex trafficking seems to be Lizs most important thing.
Pretending pedophilia isn't a bad thing is standard prog/Liz. Same with sex trafficking under any definihion
Just ask Corey Feldman.
Good grief. "Oh maga is delusional for thinking there's any there there with the Epstein stuff"
My god.
If there is nothing there why did 2 people go to jail over "nothing" you dishonest bitch?
Because how long do you think bill gates would last in jail?
The way we define "trafficking," the only "client" necessary was Epstein himself. He abused the youngsters that Maxwell helped him procure. That's what they were convicted of. No other "clients" necessary. I'm not saying they didn't exist, but they were not necessary for them to be convicted of what they were convicted of.
It's not like the "evidence" wasn't under democrat control for many years. You can bet if anything in it could be used against Trump they would have used it when Biden was President.
So this new hullabollu is another feigned attack trying to smear Trump like the 100's of prior attempts.
And people simply not wanting to accept the truth which has approximately 30% of the population gaslit with previously debunked lies and fake news stories.
People are afraid of admitting they were duped and refuse to believe the truth.
Sad world we have devolved into. Where the regurgitated lies become truth and the facts are irrelevant.
Trump could neutralize this crap by simply ordering all the files - redacted - to be released, as he promised.
All the name calling LIKE PEDOPHILE, on this site by you MAGA brown shirt goosesteppers don't give a FUCK Trump said he would date that 10 year old in 10 years. Or bragging about grabbing pussy because he can as a celebrity. Or walking in on naked Miss Teen USA contestants. Or how he would date his daughter. YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF PARANOID HYPOCRITE FUCKING GOOSESTEPPING CULT CLOWNS.
Nothing a Leftist says can be believed, and should be immediately ridiculed and dismissed.
Bitch Liz too scared to say "Israel" or "Jews".
Anti-Semite
Reason prints conspiracy theories every day. UNMARKED VANS! CITIZENS GRABBED OFF THE STREET AND DEPORTED! PRISONERS SERVED WORMS AT ALIGATOR ALCATRAZ! MARYLAND DAD WAS A HARMLESS AND PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF SOCIETY! GEORGE FLOYD WAS MURDERED BY A RACIST COP FOR PASSING A COUNTERFEIT TWENTY! CRISTINE BLASEY FORD WAS EMINENTLY CREDIBLE! The list goes on. But a guy with documented connections to multiple intelligence agencies, with a huge pile of wealth that no one can explain, who mysteriously committed suicide with an autopsy that indicated murder, is just a bridge too far for Reason libertarians. Let's set aside the sex trafficking angle for a moment and just look at the evidence in the public record. Does that challenge the "libertarian" conclusion? Or is Reason just covering for the deep state once again. This is a very poorly researched analysis, if one can call it that, that relies on referencing Qanon to establish it's leftist elite cred. If that's the only point here maybe just shut the fuck up. There will always be Asian sex workers to defend.
There are conspiracy theories and there is the truth. Right has been misusing both words for decades.
Do not forget the cameras not working or erased when he killed himself...
How much more proof does there need to be that Trump, his billionaire donors, and his toadies think that his most loyal supporters are stupid suckers that can be manipulated into voting for MAGA all while they hand out tax cuts to themselves?
And they are correct in that thinking!
If you look at Epstein's rise from being the "cool teacher" at an elite Manhattan prep school to billionaire financial trader, the plausibility of his rise deriving from blackmail is pretty straightforward: Compromised a rich man's daughter. Hosted numerous popular parties in the 80s which were purportedly attended by many underage fashion models (14 yrs old but looking 24). Do you want to be that there was a CCTV system recording what happened?
A lot of powerful people were almost certainly compromised & it is highly likely that neither political party would want that "list" to appear.
Let's not forget that Trump frequented those parties during his "personal Viet Nam" period. The period where he bragged about his promiscuity.
What is the evidence that QAnon was influential with the Trump base, or even had significant followers in Trump’s base? What is the evidence that Flat Earthers are widespread in Trump’s base?
The evidence must be that CNN and MSNBC said so.
All the name calling LIKE PEDOPHILE, on this site by you MAGA brown shirt goosesteppers don't give a FUCK Trump said he would date that 10 year old in 10 years. Or bragging about grabbing pussy because he can as a celebrity. Or walking in on naked Miss Teen USA contestants. Or how he would date his daughter. YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF PARANOID HYPOCRITE FUCKING GOOSESTEPPING CULT CLOWNS.
But Biden sniffing hair bunches your snowflake panties.
Nothing a Leftist says can be believed, and should be immediately ridiculed and dismissed.
Maybe you should just try to curb sex trafficking in general, Liz.
You're always so against that.
"Here was a sex-trafficking conspiracy theory that the mainstream right could embrace. After all, no one would dispute that Epstein had engaged in sleazy, abusive behavior with girls and young women, or that he had flown both his victims and some powerful people to his private island."
If there was no "sex trafficking" going on, then what does it mean that Epstein has "victims"?
So, what are/were the QAnons? Anonymous followers of Q. Then what is/was Q? No one knows for absolutely sure, but it appears to be someone deep inside the military side of the intelligence community. Or at least was fed information from such. They were acting as a counter to the civilian side (CIA, FBI, etc) of the IC that went rogue when Trump was elected in 2016. It actually started a bit earlier, during the Obama Administration, when NSA head Adm Rogers discovered that the FBI had given civilian contractors, including Dem operatives, access to his databases through the FISA database search interface they had access to. Not surprisingly, some of the information gleaned by those searches by these Dem operatives appears to have ended up in the FISA warrant applications for Carter Page, that allowed Trump and his inner circle to be electronically surveilled by the FBI through much of his first year in office. Yes, they illegally electronically surveilled their Constitutional boss, POTUS Trump(45).
In any case, Q had deep access to the NSA surveillance databases of phone, text, and email records. What they did was to expose the inner workings of the rogue civilian operation of the IC. in particular, it was Q who disclosed the text chains between Peter Strzok (branch chief in the Counterintelligence Branch of the FBI), Lisa Page, his lover, and attorney for FBI DD Bill McCabe, and McCabe himself, plus a number of their associates in crime. Both McCabe and Strzok were fired for this, and Page resigned. Not surprisingly, the Biden Administration gave them their pensions back.
Turns out, probably not by coincidence, that Strzok was in charge of both the Clinton email (MidYear Exam) and Trump Russian Collusion (Crossfire Hurricane) investigations. Page worried that Clinton might lose. Strzok assured her that they would make sure that didn’t happen. And everything else is history. Strzok apparently even came up with the BS excuse that Dir Comey used to get Clinton off the hook. These three were really the masterminds behind RussiaGate. And their parts in it, along with those of others, were disclosed in text message chains among the participants. All thanks to Q.
What were the QAnons? Anonymous followers of Q posts who operated to crowd source Q postings. They pulled the pieces together.
Why the demonization of QAnons? To discredit their message, and esp the Q posts that so often turned out to be true and accurate. Q told us what rocks to look under, and when they were turned over, much of the RussiaGate scandal was exposed. And, no surprise, it led directly to the top of the Dem party, and, in particular, the Clintons. Who together paid for the long discredited Steele Dossier, used to support the entire RussiaGate operation. So, to discredit the message, they tried to discredit the messenger.
Trump is absolutely wrong about the Jeffery Epstein fiasco. The citizens of the USA and world deserve a honest and transparent investigation into this.
If there are names of the rich and powerful who are pedophiles, then they should be exposed regardless of who they are or what political party they may belong to or who they make donations to.
Same if the entire fiasco is fabricated lies, this also should be honestly and transparently investigated.
I don't know the truth, but neither do the vast majority of people. I do however can identify that by all appearances, neither the democrats or republicans are being honest or transparent. This could be because they are complicit in either pedophile activities or in fabricating the narrative.
Regarding Donald Trump, his lame attempts to brush it under the rug will only solidify and glue it to his legacy. The media announcement was a unforced fumble and lends itself to the most wild conspiracy theories. The story did not reduce in importance, but rather grew exponentially. Was this was the plan or just a cluster will be seen over time.