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Immigration

Americans Want Order, not Cruelty, at the Border

Trump promised to target violent criminals. He lost support when he went after harmless immigrants.

J.D. Tuccille | 7.16.2025 7:00 AM

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Many missteps by the Biden–Harris administration and Democrats eased the path to victory for Donald Trump and the GOP, but Trump may be best known for embracing immigration and border control as his signature issues. His administration acted quickly to round up undocumented migrants and to publicize its activities, so you'd expect voters to be delighted. But surveys find declining concern about the border, lower support for deportations, and growing favorability for increased immigration. What gives? If you look at the data, it's clear that most Americans like immigration and favor order at the border—not cruel overreaction.

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Last year, it was obvious that immigration worries boosted Trump's candidacy. In October, a majority of respondents told YouGov pollsters that they trusted the GOP candidate to do a better job on immigration than then-Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic candidate. The most important immigration concern for respondents—at 51 percent—was "border enforcement."

In office, the Trump administration stepped up border controls. It militarized sections of the border, toughened screening of would-be migrants, increased deportations, and staged high-profile Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids to arrest undocumented immigrants. Unauthorized border crossings are now down "to a level not seen in at least 25 years" according to CBS News.

Declining Support for the Administration's Immigration Crackdown

That's pretty much what Trump said he'd do, so you'd expect the plurality that put him in office to be happy. Instead, though, Gallup finds support "lower today for deporting all undocumented immigrants, with 38% now favoring this as the administration is attempting it, down from 47% last year when it was a Trump campaign promise." At the same time, "support for allowing undocumented immigrants to become U.S. citizens has risen to 78%, up from 70% last year."

Reducing immigration overall has dropped from a goal favored last year by a majority to a position favored by just 30 percent of respondents. A full 79 percent say that immigration is a good thing.

This is quite a turnabout. The public appears to be amazingly fickle. Or maybe Trump is delivering something different than people expected.

Last year, much of the discussion of undocumented migrants revolved around crimes—often horrendous—committed by gang members, many from Venezuela. The much-publicized alleged takeover of Aurora, Colorado, apartment complexes by gangsters played a big role, as did the murder of Laken Riley, and several vicious rapes. And there lies the key to understanding the public mood.

In the YouGov poll, tied for second place as immigration concerns after "border control" were "pathways to citizenship" and "drug smuggling." That suggests respondents worried about crime, not migrants.

Just after Gallup, Harvard CAPS/Harris released a poll this week that also asked about immigration. Consistent with Gallup, the Harvard CAPS/Harris pollsters found 59 percent support for "more due process and guaranteed hearings to prevent unfair deportations." Fifty-five percent support allowing "the children of those who are here illegally in the United States automatically becoming U.S. citizens."

Americans Are Worried About Criminals, Not Immigrants in General

But a full 79 percent are in favor of "deporting immigrants who are here illegally and have committed crimes" and 70 percent support "closing the border with added security and policies that discourage illegal crossings." Seventy-nine percent believe "convicted criminals who are here illegally should be deported after their sentence is over."

As in the Gallup poll, there's support for creating pathways to citizenship for migrants in general—even those who crossed the border illegally. But respondents don't want other countries' criminals here, want enforcement efforts at the border that could keep criminals out, and favor tough efforts to remove those who have been convicted of crimes.

Importantly for the outcome of last year's elections, 67 percent of respondents to the Harvard CAPS/Harris poll believed there was an "open border" under the Biden administration and 69 percent say that was "deliberate policy."

So, Americans' attitudes aren't fickle, they're nuanced. When asked, people are rather enthusiastic about immigration and immigrants. But they want order at the border, not chaos. They support screening would-be migrants for criminal backgrounds, to exclude those who have preyed on people in the past and are likely to do the same in the future. And they want immigrants who have committed serious crimes in the U.S. to be sent back to their home countries.

Trump Went Too Far Beyond His Border Policy Assurances

That's not what the Trump administration has delivered. White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller famously tore into ICE officials in May for not arresting enough migrants. He urged them to look for undocumented migrants to round up at Home Depot and 7-Eleven—places you're more likely to find hopeful laborers than gang-bangers—with a goal of scooping up 3,000 people per day.

The result has been much-publicized raids of meatpacking plants and farms. Among those caught in the dragnet have been U.S. citizens. People working difficult jobs in fields and factories are unlikely to be trigger-pullers for international criminal syndicates. Unsurprisingly, when it crunched the numbers on the arrests, the Associated Press found "the majority of people currently detained by ICE have no criminal convictions. Of those who do, relatively few have been convicted of high-level crimes."

According to the data, that's not what Americans voted for when they turfed-out Biden, Harris, and their cronies in favor of Trump and his crew. On the immigration issue, voters wanted to get rid of an administration that people believed was deliberately refusing to enforce border controls. Trump won on a promise to impose order and target dangerous criminals who'd been allowed into the country.

The Trump administration actually did that, and if it had stuck with that policy, the public would likely be happier. But then it started scooping up anybody who crossed the border without authorization (and some who were authorized) and lost support. No matter what Miller and company's sentiments are, Americans like immigration and favor admitting more peaceful and productive migrants.

Ultimately, Americans want order, not cruelty, at the border, and that's how they voted. The Trump administration sheds support when it abandons one extreme on immigration for another.

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  1. diver64   19 hours ago

    They are not harmless. They are illegal aliens causing much damage and cost to our country. Fuck you.

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    1. SQRLSY   17 hours ago

      How much hatred and punishment of the illegal sub-humans will satisfy PervFected You? After they are ALL punished and banished, will you then take it out on Your cat(s), dog(s), random strangers, and Your blow-up doll? A blow-up at Your blow-up; will THAT help sate Your punishment-lusts?

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      1. Thoritsu   17 hours ago

        Soylent green, starting with squirrel people.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 hours ago

          No way, man! You know what they eat?

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  2. Chumby   19 hours ago

    I didn’t even know the author owned an akita.

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  3. Vernon Depner   19 hours ago

    Liar. Trump never said he would deport ONLY violent criminals. Trump and the relevant officials in his administration have consistently said ALL illegals need to go. Fuck you.

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    1. damikesc   18 hours ago

      Hell, openly said that states refusing to cooperate means they have to go hunt the hardcore criminals down and, well, they tend to hang out with illegals and those people will ALSO get caught up in the dragnet.

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    2. TD   16 hours ago

      The thrust of the article is that Americans’ opinions appear to be changing in favor of leaving people who are productively working, whether legal or not, alone, but while still focusing on the criminals. Certainly, there many like you whose opinions haven’t changed.

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  4. tracerv   18 hours ago

    Bullshit.

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  5. JonFrum   18 hours ago

    I want EVERY LAST ONE of them deported. I want MILLIONS deported. THAT is what I voted for, and I'm an American.

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    1. MollyGodiva   15 hours ago

      You are also, ugly, a racist, a piece of shit, and fascist.

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      1. Sailor1989   14 hours ago

        Which race is hating on here? He said all which includes Europeans, Asians, Africans, North and South Americans, Australians...
        Also no fascism detected in wanting immigration laws enforced.

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      2. Uncle Jay   11 hours ago

        Note to all sane people: A fascist is anyone who disagrees with a leftist turd.

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      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 hours ago

        Hey, MollyCunt, explain how enforcing immigrant law is related to any of the slurs you like to froth out.

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  6. NCMB   17 hours ago

    I think most rational Americans have no opposition to immigration, but are opposed to illegal immigration.

    My personal preference is that all legal entry into the country be limited to ports of entry, including, and especially, those seeking political asylum. Next is strict enforcement of the political asylum laws as written and severely curtailing, if not eliminating, defensive asylum. Third is reeling in extensions of temporary protected status.

    Immigration laws already provide a pathway for citizenship and that pathway begins with LEGAL entry into the country. It’s not a difficult concept to understand.

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   17 hours ago

      There is already a path to citizenship. Some 1M+ people are naturalized as US citizens every year. Illegal aliens have, pretty much by definition, decided NOT to avail themselves of that path.

      There are already ways to have legal non-citizen permanent residency (green card). In the fiscal year of 2023, about 1.17 million immigrants received legal permanent resident status in the United States. Illegal aliens have, pretty much by definition, decided NOT to avail themselves of that path.

      There are several work permit programs (H1-B, H2-A, ...). 265,777 H-1B visas were approved in 2022, the second-largest category of visa in terms of the number of foreign workers after the 310,676 H-2A visas issued to temporary, seasonal, agriculture workers. Illegal aliens have, pretty much by definition, decided NOT to avail themselves of that path.

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      1. VinniUSMC   16 hours ago

        Yeah. Entering the country illegally in 2011 and staying illegally until a bullshit asylum plea in 2019, which is denied, but subverted by a bullshit "no deport to El Salvador" ruling, which grants a sort of bullshit sanctuary, including work permit. Somehow this makes an illegal immigrant sort of not illegal, and allows a path to citizenship? Definitely not broken. Working as intended.

        Until all of this shit is fixed, ALL illegal immigrants should be deported if they won't self-deport.

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        1. Z Crazy   14 hours ago

          Every illegal should be presumed a danger to humanity unless they prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt!

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  7. Ben of Houston   17 hours ago

    Arresting people for breaking the law is not cruelty.

    Ignoring the law so that people can be deported randomly on a whim decades later without actually granting them any legal status is not kindness. It's arbitrary and capricious.

    Creating a large scale semi-permanent underclass with limited access to government services or even the basic protection of the law so that you can exploit them is tyranny.

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   17 hours ago

      Democrats used to cry "But who will pick our cotton!?" (when their black slaves were freed).

      Now they cry "But who will wipe our ass?!" (and the expected answer is brown illegal aliens).

      https://www.mynbc5.com/article/becca-balint-immigration-wipe-our-asses-remark/64998987

      Rep. Becca Balint, D-Vermont, is responding to criticism from the Vermont GOP over a remark about migrant labor she made at a recent town hall meeting with constituents in Newport. The meeting was organized as an opportunity for the Congresswoman to speak with community members about policies from the Trump administration and how they will impact Vermonters.

      During the meeting, the topic of immigration came up in an audience member's question.

      "We know that our economy is completely bound up in immigration and migrant labor," Balint told the audience. "And of course, we have to come to a place in Congress where it is no longer a political issue, but we see it as an existential issue for the country."

      What the Democrat said next drew pushback and criticism from the Vermont GOP.

      "If we don't have avenues for people to come here legally, to work or to build a home here, I'm going to be really crude right now, we're not going to have anybody around to wipe our asses," Balint said in the May 28 town hall meeting. "We don't have enough people in our country now to fill the jobs that we have right now."

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   15 hours ago

        "We don't have enough people in our country now to fill the jobs that we have right now."

        There's plenty of people who can fill those jobs. That claim has always been a false dilemma to justify mass migration. What they mean is that there aren't enough people who will do those jobs for peon-level wages and live in slum conditions while they do it.

        How about these industries start innovating and figuring out how to harvest crops without relying so heavily on stoop labor, sort of like Argentina had to do when a lot of their own peasant worker class moved north? Or is the "free market" incapable of adapting to these circumstances?

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   11 hours ago

          No, Molly is a good Democrat with level 10 cognitive dissonance (and level 11 lies). Don't you see how we can have low pay for immigrants to do work that lazy Americans refuse to do AND double-plus high minimum wage and UBIs so that everyone get Their Fair Share?

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        2. NCMB   11 hours ago

          There is no shortage of research going on in the agricultural equipment arena to further mechanize sowing and harvesting of crops. In fact, mechanization is the Holy Grail of farming.

          Some crops, in particular produce, are very difficult to mechanically harvest primarily due to damage to the product. The average American shopper is not going to buy damaged produce.

          Other crops can be and are mechanically harvested since much of it is not sold directly to consumers but as a component in other end consumer products. I live in a rural agricultural area, if I walk 500 feet out my door and through the woods I’m standing in corn, wheat and/or soybean fields. The sowing and harvest in this area is nearly 100% mechanized with one person in a combine and another driving a hauler.

          And, Argentina is no further ahead in the mechanization of farming than the US. Argentina still relies on human labor to harvest delicate crops.

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    2. Spiritus Mundi   15 hours ago

      ^This

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  8. MyPublicName   17 hours ago

    Maybe my memory is failing me, but I thought the Trump administration's goal was always to deport illegal aliens, targeting violent criminals first.

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    1. Chumby   17 hours ago

      You will not be invited to any Reason cocktail parties.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   17 hours ago

        Thr akita puppy cocktail party is a cant miss.

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        1. Chumby   17 hours ago

          Cucktail party

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    2. Sir Chips Alot   17 hours ago

      how dare you bring reality into this fantasy!!?!?!?!?!!?/

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  9. Stupid Government Tricks   17 hours ago

    It's funny seeing so much blind counter-productive cheering on as Trump destroys his chances for getting much done at all after 2026. His fanbois will vote for him regardless. The lefities will vote against him regardless. But when he deports families who have lived here peacefully and productively for 10-20 years, supported themselves and raised families, it doesn't matter to the fence-sitters that they were here illegally. It just plain looks bad to them, and they are the ones who will vote against the GOP in 2026. He'll lose the House and spend two years not passing any legislation which would make his executive orders more permanent and harder to undo.

    That's success? Hardly. But the fanbois don't care. They can't think any farther ahead than Trump himself. They cheer on his tariffs idiocy, raising taxes, disrupting business plans, all because they can't see past the ends of their noses.

    Idiots. TDS works both sides of the aisle. They're going to hate 2027 and 2028 and blame it all on the lefties instead of looking in the mirror.

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    1. Social Justice is neither   17 hours ago

      Ah yes, the time honored Republican tradition of "give the Democrats everything they want for nothing" in service if getting something done. If you haven't noticed the Democrats have gone fully insane.

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      1. Stupid Government Tricks   17 hours ago

        No, Jake, it's about public perception. Trump brags about prioritizing criminals, makes a lot of noise about getting rid of scum, and also gives the left all the ammunition they need to show him not prioritizing criminals.

        Trump ought to know all about branding. He's got Trump hotels, golf courses, steaks, hats, all the hallmarks of branding, and then he goes all slapdash stupid and gives the lefty brands all the support they need to derail his brand in November 2026. That's not the art of the deal, that's shooting himself in the foot.

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        1. Social Justice is neither   16 hours ago

          Ah, yes the Maryland Man is coming back to bite him in the ass, or is it the "peaceful protests" in LA that destroyed cop cars that are hurting him? Sorry but people aren't believing your lawless lies anymore.

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          1. Stupid Government Tricks   16 hours ago

            "People" is too broad. I'm talking about the fence-sitters, the swing voters, who will decide the elections. Trump won by 1.5% in 2024, against arguably the worst Presidential candidate possible, whose woke views were anathema to most of the electorate. You think all this bad publicity is going to widen that or shrink it in 2026? The partisans on both side are immaterial. The anti-Trumpers voted for Harris because they hate Trump, and they will vote against the GOP for the same reason. The pro-Trumpers will vote for Trump regardless. It's the fence-sitters who Trump is alienating.

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            1. Z Crazy   14 hours ago

              Why would fence sitters side with those who murdered Molie Tibbets, Rachel Morin, and Laken Riley?

              Are they immoral?

              do they hate white girls?

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        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   15 hours ago

          "Trump ought to know all about branding."

          He does, you don't. Fuck off and die.

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    2. mad.casual   16 hours ago

      But when he deports families who have lived here peacefully and productively for 10-20 years, supported themselves and raised families, it doesn't matter to the fence-sitters that they were here illegally. It just plain looks bad to them, and they are the ones who will vote against the GOP in 2026.

      So, the people he promised to target in 2016, 2020, and 2024 (who even the legal immigrant community acknowledges aren't a massive monolithic block, shouldn't be here, *and* shouldn't vote) will, now, decide to start voting against him and that will cause a massive loss in 2026?

      This is even more retarded than the idea that the majority of the electorate who voted for Obama contains a massive overlap with all the racist Klansmen who supported Trump.

      You sound like Sandra or one of the other wishcasting idiots who fully stand up and, to a "T", declare their own version of the Law of Merited Impossibility with "There is no illegal immigration, but if those xenophobic GOPers crack down on it, boy will they suffer the consequences!" and then turn around and say, "I do not have TDS! You have TDS!"

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   15 hours ago

        Not to mention that one of the major reasons they're probably going ham on this is because they know the party in power almost ALWAYS loses seats and control of at least one house of Congress in the mid-terms, and are doing as much as they can to ship out people now before Trump becomes a lame duck president in 2027.

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    3. Z Crazy   14 hours ago

      Who are these fence sitters?

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  10. JFree   17 hours ago

    Americans want cruelty in everything that has to do with foreigners. Including you Tucille

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    1. SQRLSY   17 hours ago

      Cite? About Tucille? Or are you using your mind-reading tinfoil hate-hat? Have the anti-Reason tirades and temper tantrums of the sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds now finally gotten to you, too? Et tu, Brute?

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      1. JFree   17 hours ago

        Tucille is one of the two Reason 'journalists' who is most complicit in covering up what American weaponry/diplomacy/govt is doing in Gaza. At a current count of probably 300,000+ dead and missing, how is that not cruelty. Or maybe cruelty with an excuse is not cruelty.

        He's a hypothetical shit. As are all commenters who are going along with the cover up here.

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        1. SQRLSY   17 hours ago

          OK, thanks for the explanation!

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        2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   17 hours ago

          Nobody gives a fuck about Gaza either.

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          1. JFree   17 hours ago

            Not even the American citizens (or relatives of Americans like Amash) who live there and who have been trapped there for two years.

            Some Americans matter to hypocritical shits. Others don't.

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            1. Chumby   17 hours ago

              How many in Gaza offered help to the flood victims in NC that Biden abandoned?

              How many in Gaza offered help to the flood victims in Texas?

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              1. JohnZ   16 hours ago

                You're either being sarcastic or incredibly stupid.

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                1. Chumby   16 hours ago

                  I’m sorry your dog no longer respects you. But at least you now have a squirrel buddy.

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                2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   15 hours ago

                  You can be no other, slimy pile of Nazi scum. Fuck off and die.

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              2. SQRLSY   16 hours ago

                The residents (guests) at Auschwitz didn't help us much, either, in olden-golden days!

                Speaking of Auschwitz...

                Next on the Hit Parade from Dear Orange Leader TrumpfenFarter-Fuhrer and Ron DeSatan:

                Alligator Alcatraz, meet Auspicious Auschwitz! Europe will be forced to relinquish the museum at the former cuntcentration campy-camp of Auschwitz, to be turned into an American Gulag and torture chamber! The “Arbeit Macht Frei” sign will be hauled down, to be replaced by a MUCH larger and MUCH more garish, glaring neon-and-LEDs sign, which will announce, “Welcome to Auspicious Auschwitz, illegal sub-humans and other scum! Good luck! Tariffs from The Donald are setting you FREE!!!”

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            2. Uncle Jay   11 hours ago

              Does that include the Americans who kidnapped, raped and murdered by your pals, Hamas?

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              1. JFree   10 hours ago

                As I said - some Americans you care about, others you have no problem having the US govt enable their murder for no reason.

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                1. JFree   10 hours ago

                  And BTW - a Hamas attack on Israel does not provide a justification to head shot and snipe children in response. It does not matter what Hamas did or how enraged/victimized Israelis feel. There is NO justification - none whatsoever - to head shot and snipe children. I find it stunning (and unfortunately not at all surprising) that there is a large contingent of 'libertarians' who excuse and cover up that shit.

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        3. Stupid Government Tricks   17 hours ago

          You mean like feeding Gazans instead of handing it all over to Hamas who sell it to raise money to buy weapons they hide in UN hospitals? That kind of genocide?

          Fuck off, Nazi.

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    2. Spiritus Mundi   15 hours ago

      Poor Nazi.

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  11. Longtobefree   17 hours ago

    Just for the record, there are two groups Reason refers to as "immigrants"; actual immigrants following the laws, and criminal border crossers who are and remain criminals.
    Only the former are immigrants.
    The latter are those Trump was elected to remove from the country, each and every one, STARTING with the ones that have committed other crimes.

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    1. SQRLSY   17 hours ago

      Twat's the big difference between those who have papers, and those who don't?

      Then issue the illegal sub-humans their “magic papers” and transform the bad into good, already! Dross into gold, via the “papers please” version of the long-sought-after “philosopher’s stone”!!!

      “Team R” absolutely LOVES the unwanted Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells… And vehemently HATES the illegal sub-humans!
      When many-many-MANY “Team R” find themselves in a collapsing economy, starving, with bedsores and bitten by ants, in decrepit old age homes… For lack of labor… Then some “Team R” political Big-Wig will FINALLY discover a Government-Almighty SOLUTION! Issue Government-Almighty “Magic Papers” and turn the illegal sub-humans into legal humans, turning them from dross into gold! Better yet, turn them into HONORARY Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells, and THEN they will be LOVED and adored!!!

      See https://reason.com/2024/02/15/they-had-their-baby-at-home-2-years-later-they-still-cant-get-a-birth-certificate/ … Magic Papers please! Even the WRONG kinds of native-born can’t get them!

      "Papers Please"... You can't be a legal human without them... Can't be married, or divorced, or even a dead legal human... Can't be a cat, or a dog, in many places... Can't be an interior decorator, can't be a house, a barn, or an outhouse... Can't be a drug, food, or a drink without proper paper labels... Twat CAN we BE, any moah, without PROPER PAPERS? Can I be a proper pooper without proper-pooper-papers?

      "Can I be a proper pooper without proper-pooper-papers?"
      I've decided that I'll no longer give a shit! Shit's the ONLY way to be sure!

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      1. TrickyVic (old school)   16 hours ago

        I guess you don't have a passport.

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        1. Chumby   15 hours ago

          To leave the country and travel abroad or just leave the institution where he was committed?

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        2. SQRLSY   15 hours ago

          I am ALMOST, now, a Proud Owner of Proper-Pooper-Papers!!! The All-Important Papers are due here any day now! Admittedly (I hang my head in shame) I've only barely started filling out the 50 pages that shit will take me, to apply for my Passing-Gas-Out-My-Ass AssGasPassPort!

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  12. JohannesDinkle   17 hours ago

    Driving a car without a license is illegal, but also a misdemeanor offense. If caught are offenders to be allowed to continue driving with no consequence? They were only driving to work, driving to the store, to the bar, etc.
    Biden had a policy of allowing about ten million people into the country without any legal process, but Americans can not make them leave?

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    1. JohnZ   16 hours ago

      The Biden misadministration also had a policy of lying ILLEGAL ALIENS into certain parts of the country in the middle of the night when they thought no one would notice.
      James O'Keefe noticed.

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  13. swillfredo pareto   17 hours ago

    What gives?

    People love sausage.
    People do not like seeing sausage made.

    Every policy has a gut pile. A leader does what's right rather than what the polls dictate.

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    1. Stupid Government Tricks   17 hours ago

      And when the gut pile becomes public and ruins his chances for repeat business in November 2026, whose fault is that?

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      1. swillfredo pareto   16 hours ago

        whose fault is that?

        Trump is not the kind of executive who can give a complex answer to a complex issue, and even if he was, it would be a waste of his time.

        The fault is human nature. A majority of the people want simple answers and something for nothing. So politicians promise both even though neither is possible.

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        1. Stupid Government Tricks   16 hours ago

          That's not the point. The point is that by making his gut pile public, he is alienating the swing voters who will flip the House in 2026.

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        2. SQRLSY   15 hours ago

          A simple answer IS possible!

          Don't tax you,
          Don't tax me,
          Tax the fella
          Behind the tree!!!

          Getting rich by supposedly taxing the evil ferriners via tariffs an't too far removed from that shit!

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  14. Medulla Oblongata   17 hours ago

    Feels like a lot of projection on JD's part.

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    1. MyPublicName   17 hours ago

      I got the same vibe

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  15. Social Justice is neither   17 hours ago

    If Toosilly hated America and wanted it destroyed from within, what policy stances could he take to do a better job to that end than the pro-welfare, open borders, defund the police positions he actively endorses?

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  16. Thoritsu   17 hours ago

    This article just talks about polls, and what Trump said and is doing.
    Might as well read: "If the fickle have changed their minds, we have to change policy".
    Is there any discussion of what a Libertarian philosophy would or should be, in the presence of our socialist government? No!

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    1. SQRLSY   15 hours ago

      Is there any discussion of what a Libertarian philosophy would or should be...

      That's twat the cumments are for... Butt FAR more so, for Trump-Worshit, and for screaming and yelling at each other, and for slamming down grade-school insult-turds! (Y'all are almost all icky-poo poopy-heads, by the way! You started shit, nanny-nanny booo-bah!!!)

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  17. Medulla Oblongata   16 hours ago

    Five deportees from Vietnam, Jamaica, Laos, Cuba and Yemen convicted of crimes ranging from child rape to murder were deported to Eswatini.

    "individuals so uniquely barbaric that their home countries refused to take them back"

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-says-it-has-sent-third-country-deportees-southern-africas-eswatini-2025-07-16/

    "A safe third country deportation flight to Eswatini in Southern Africa has landed — This flight took individuals so uniquely barbaric that their home countries refused to take them back," U.S. Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman Tricia McLaughlin said late on Tuesday.
    In a thread on social media platform X, McLaughlin named five deportees from Vietnam, Jamaica, Laos, Cuba and Yemen and said they were convicted of crimes ranging from child rape to murder.
    Earlier this month, a top Trump administration official said in a memo that U.S. immigration officials may deport migrants to countries other than their home nations with as little as six hours' notice.
    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement will generally wait at least 24 hours to deport someone after informing them of their removal to a so-called "third country," according to a memo dated July 9 from the agency's acting director, Todd Lyons.
    ICE could remove them, however, to a so-called "third country" with as little as six hours' notice "in exigent circumstances," the memo said, as long as the person was provided the chance to speak with an attorney.
    The memo stated that migrants could be sent to nations that have pledged not to persecute or torture them "without the need for further procedures."
    The new ICE policy suggested the Trump administration could move quickly to send migrants to countries around the world.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   16 hours ago

      Never even heard of Eswatini. Hope they enjoy their new home.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   12 hours ago

        Me either, but it used to be called Swaziland, which I had heard of. It's a neighbor of South Africa.

        Wikipedia says:

        "On 19 April 2018, King Mswati III changed the name of the country from Swaziland to Eswatini to mark its 50th anniversary of independence.[50] The name change coincided with the king's birthday. The actual anniversary took place on 6 September, though in the same year. Eswatini is the ancient, original name for the country, chosen as a departure from its colonial past.

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    2. JohnZ   15 hours ago

      Alligator Alcatraz is now open for business!
      Trying to escape will cost you an arm and a leg. LOL!
      If the gators and snakes don't get 'em the skeeters will. Good lord ! The size of those skeeters!
      And the gators and pythons aren't too shabby looking either.
      Makes the original Alcatraz look like a vacation hotel.

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  18. Use the Schwartz   16 hours ago

    Polls? LOL!

    Hey Nate Silver, you get your error bar better than ±30% yet?

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    1. mad.casual   16 hours ago

      There's also the sperge dunk aspect:

      Silver: Trump lost 6 points (among college-educated, middle-class, female voters)!
      Electorate: So, whaddyagonnado? Nominate Newsom *and* Occasio-Cortez?

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  19. Sometimes a Great Notion   16 hours ago

    What we really want is for the links to run on time!

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   16 hours ago

      Do you know who else made things run on time?

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      1. Chumby   16 hours ago

        Casio?

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        1. Wizzle Bizzle   16 hours ago

          Pretty sure it was Doc Louis in Punch-Out. He had Little Mac humming like a locomotive in that pink sweatsuit.

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          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   14 hours ago

            "Dance like a fly, bite like a mosquito!"

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      2. Fats of Fury   14 hours ago

        Henry Luce?

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  20. Medulla Oblongata   16 hours ago

    A hint of bipartisan sanity in Congress...

    37 Democrats Break Ranks, Join GOP to Back Immigrant Deportation Bill

    Legislation from Alabama lawmakers, titled The Jeremy and Angel Seay and Sergeant Brandon Mendoza Protect Our Communities from DUIs Act of 2025, has been passed by the U.S. House 245-160.

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    1. Z Crazy   14 hours ago

      Good.

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  21. Truthteller1   16 hours ago

    Complete bullshit. Trump has lost no support, he is going after illegal immigrants just like he said he would. It is exactly what his voters expected.

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  22. Wizzle Bizzle   16 hours ago

    So explain to me how Reason's open borders fit into this? Are you saying you were wrong and the LP needs to drop that insanity yesterday? Because I feel like you sort of glossed over that part.

    You can get 51% of the electorate to vote for anything. But to get on the wrong side of an 80-20 issue, you have to go full retard.

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  23. sarcasmic   16 hours ago

    "Illegals are nothing but low-down, double-dealing, backstabbing, larcenous perverted worms! Hanging's too good for them. Burning's too good for them! They should be torn into little bitsy pieces and buried alive!"

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  24. JohnZ   16 hours ago

    Very little has been said concerning the missing 300,000 children who were TRAFFICKED into this country illegally.
    There's the real cruelty and it's obvious liberals don't seem to care at all.
    But when one of these poor individuals from Venezuela rapes and murders a young woman, it's not a crime, it's cultural enrichment, you hear every sort of liberal vomit in defense of this murderous criminal.
    Liberals truly are retarded and violently dangerous as well.
    I wonder how many of these kids Adam Schiffty has buggered?

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  25. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   15 hours ago

    He lost support from TDS-addled slimy piles of shit like Sullum and Tuccille the day he was born.
    Fuck off and die, asswipe.

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  26. TrickyVic (old school)   15 hours ago

    I mostly agree with Tuccille. Not sure how much it matters.

    I hated the way Rudy Giuliani went about cleaning up NYC in the 90s. But the results were big. When a situation gets really bad people often don't mind a messy omelet. It's part of what I call the rubber band effect.

    Trump has reduced the number of illegal crossings. In the end, people can be forgiving if the outcome is positive.

    Besides look at a lot of Trump critics. They are sad the bullet missed, and applaud a CEO being assassinated. They literally would have accepted the assassination of a presidential candidate because they approved of the outcome. Trump's death.

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    1. JohnZ   15 hours ago

      The same critics of Trump remain silent concerning the missing 300,000 children trafficked across the border.

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      1. TrickyVic (old school)   15 hours ago

        Or that cartels are making bank in human trafficking by charging people big sums to get them to the US border.

        I had an interesting conversation one night with an illegal. Me a friend was hanging out on the stoop and this guy walked up and asked if we knew of any work. He made it clear he did not want a handout, he wanted to work and be useful. He started telling us his story. . He paid someone his life savings, $20,000 to get transported to the US. Promises were made and not kept, and at the end of the day he's stuck in NYC sleeping on cardboard on the sidewalk wanting to return home.

        After hearing this guy's story I thought, the system that took advantage of this guy needs to be shut down. Democrats seem to have no problem with this. They were/are enablers of this system.

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        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   15 hours ago

          He paid someone his life savings, $20,000 to get transported to the US.

          If the guy can save up $20K, he could have done something legitimately productive with that in his home country instead of paying some smuggler to get him to the US. Fuck, there's MILLIONS of Americans who don't have $2K in the bank, much less 20 grand.

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          1. TrickyVic (old school)   15 hours ago

            Yep. But he wanted to come here. That I love NY marketing you referred to works. Wasn't a smart decision. He could have figured out how to make it work legally. Perhaps a lesson in shortcuts.

            But the fact that a system exists to prey on these people is something liberals and progressives should seek to stop. Not enable.

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            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   14 hours ago

              That's my point though--they're spending these supposed insane sums of cash, that millions of Americans don't even have, to pay some cartel asshole to transport them, so that they can work for peon wages living in shitty barrios, instead of doing something with it in their home country to improve their communities.

              I think the problem is that we've indulged far too long in this insane idea that America is supposed to be a "shining city on a hill" (which is actually the City of God, not the City of Man, and therefore can't be recreated here) for the entire planet. Such gauzy propaganda ignores the fact that it's a complex nation with its own issues, which aren't going to be helped by encouraging the rest of the world's 7 billion people to move here. The core of a lot of our socio-economic issues is the inherent belief by foreigners, dating back to the late 1800s, that our streets are paved with gold and anyone can get rich just by virtue of being here.

              Diversity is not our strength. It's going to be the thing that tears the country apart.

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        2. Z Crazy   14 hours ago

          What wqas he thinking?

          Was he unaware that he could die if he could not afford health care?

          Why didnt he move to a civilized country like Singapore?

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          1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   11 hours ago

            It’s not a cake walk to move to Singapore.

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    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   15 hours ago

      I hated the way Rudy Giuliani went about cleaning up NYC in the 90s. But the results were big. When a situation gets really bad people often don't mind a messy omelet. It's part of what I call the rubber band effect.

      Yeah, westerners complain about Bukele, but the reality is that Salvadorans love him because putting 5% of the country's population in prison resulted in the country going from one of the most dangerous to one of the safest in Latin America. He did it specifically because it had gotten so bad that extreme measures needed to be taken.

      And yeah, NYC was the same way. People don't realize how fucked up and shitty it really was back in the 70s and 80s, irrespective of dumb propaganda like "Rent" about how "gritty" and "authentic" it was (as AIDS was ripping through most of the city). The whole "I Love New York" thing was a fucking marketing campaign to convince tourists to come to the city. "Wayne's World" made a joke out of it in 1991--"I've got a gun, let's go to a Broadway show!" Guiliani understood that New York's success relied partly on its image as a place people wanted to come see, and that required extreme measures to clean the city up.

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      1. TrickyVic (old school)   15 hours ago

        ""and that required extreme measures to clean the city up.""

        And it only required that because of how bad it became. The worse it gets the more the rubber band stretches. At some point it's going to snap back hard to become normal again.

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  27. Heraclitus   15 hours ago

    This is not news. What is newsworthy is that Congressa and the media are doing everything to stop us from having a comprehensive bill that orders the migration process. It was tried under Biden but Trump made sure the bill would not pass. After that it wa silence from everyone.

    Why is that? Trump is allergic to compromise for one. But more importantly, without a bill he can use his power to threaten states and companies and extract favors. It puts him alone on charge.

    But why aren't the democrats and the so-called liberal media jumping up and down demanding Congress acts? Maybe they are afraid the progressive left will push back against compromise?

    Start demanding Congress act. Be prepared to compromise. If Trump wants his stupid wall give it to hi as long as he is willing to allow in enough immmigration to keep our economy going.

    Media, do your job!

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    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   15 hours ago

      a comprehensive bill

      Translation: A bill that doesn't actually fix the problem, but makes for good copy to the press.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   13 hours ago

      I'm pretty sure Trump didn't do anything to scuttle HR-2, which was "a comprehensive bill that orders the migration process". But Chuck Shumer sat on it until it died in the Senate.

      You're probably talking about the crappy Senate bill that came later.

      https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2

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  28. MollyGodiva   15 hours ago

    Tough shit about what Americans wanted. This is what they got. If they voted for Trump then this is exactly what they voted for. Fascist scum the lot of them.

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    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   15 hours ago

      Yes, to marxists, anyone who doesn't follow their retarded political theology is a fascist.

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      1. MollyGodiva   12 hours ago

        When in doubt fall aback on racist meme of white girls in distress.

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        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   11 hours ago

          Said the idiot who said “ Fascist scum the lot of them.”

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        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 hours ago

          When in doubt fall aback on racist meme of white girls in distress.

          When in doubt, claim your beloved migrants weren't raping white girls to deflect from resistance to your retarded political theology.

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    2. Z Crazy   14 hours ago

      Those who simp for illegals ignore their rapes against white girls, just like the NRa ignores drive-by shootings against black children!

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    3. TJJ2000   14 hours ago

      It so funny listening to leftard fans of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] call their opposition fascist.
      More leftard Self-Projection 101.

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      1. MollyGodiva   12 hours ago

        MAGAs are truly the dumbest shits on the planet.

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        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   10 hours ago

          We'll defer to your deep first-hand experience on being a retard for your knowledge of such status.

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  29. Z Crazy   14 hours ago

    What happened to Mollie Tibbets was cruel.

    What happened to Rachel Morin was cruel.

    What happened to Laken Riley was cruel.

    Illegals must be stopped at any and call costs.

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    1. MollyGodiva   12 hours ago

      That is an absurd and dangerous notion. That a few isolated incident can justify undoing 250 years of civil liberties in order to be as cruel as possible to a class of people.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   11 hours ago

        Illegal aliens expecting to live in the USA without any fear of deportation, plus getting hundreds of billions of dollars of free shit from the taxpayers is NOT a 250 year old thing.

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      2. See.More   10 hours ago

        . . . in order to be as cruel as possible to a class of people.

        Such sophomoric and disingenuous hyperbole.

        None of the illegals are being drawn and quartered. None of the illegals are being eviscerated. None are being burned alive... or having their fingernails and/or teeth forcibly removed... or starved to death... or having sharpened bamboo shoots shoved in various sensitive orifices... or being flayed alive... or being gang raped... or being forced to watch their children be gang raped...

        So... yeah... you're a complete moron and you have no idea what real cruelty is.

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        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   10 hours ago

          Such sophomoric and disingenuous hyperbole.

          Well said. Also applicable...

          https://babylonbee.com/news/integrity-this-man-says-stupid-things-on-the-internet-and-no-one-is-paying-him-to-do-it

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    2. SQRLSY   12 hours ago

      "Illegals must be stopped at any and 'call costs'."

      How about at the costs of a Government Almighty five times as costly in terms of money, and ten times as costly in terms of lost freedoms for the REAL humans (citizens), to include ritually sacrificing Zee-Pee-(Piss)-Crazy and Shit's fiends and family, in hopes of Magically Appeasing the hate-lusts of the Evil One?

      I call these 'call costs' appallingly, Satanically stratospheric!

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  30. TJJ2000   14 hours ago

    If we can't be 'entitled' to your nation it's just CRUEL!!! /s
    Democrats were so not cruel by allowing the USA to be invaded?
    Nothing but hind-sight neglect regret.

    Pretty sure 'self-entitlement to others things/nation' sympathy is how this nation got into the mess it is in today.
    Armed-Theft is Charity! /s
    Breaking and Entering is a 'right'! /s

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  31. Dillinger   13 hours ago

    border's closed and only the whiners are whining what's your problem?

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  32. Marshal   11 hours ago

    We can't have order without enforcing the law.

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  33. NCMB   11 hours ago

    The Immigration Act of 1882 barred entry into the country of “idiots, lunatics, criminals and those likely to become a public charge.” Personally, I’d like to see this test applied to those seeking election to Congress, but I digress.

    The point here is the public charge test. Allowing immigrants into the country who cannot demonstrate an ability to provide for their own basic needs, save for those sponsored by a US citizen/permanent resident that will assume that responsibility on behalf of the immigrant, is not doing those would be immigrants any favors.

    And, the fact is, the country is $37T in debt. We have enough US citizens that cannot provide for their own basic needs, we don’t need immigrants adding to that burden.

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  34. Neutral not Neutered   7 hours ago

    Context is everything. Of course the vast majority of Americans support immigration. You never said the question was , Do you support illegal immigration? Because it wasn't the question, how disingenuous of you. The question was, Do you support immigration? People would assume when answering you mean Legal immigration and they would say yes.

    And of course with essentially the totality of media all reported disingenuously on the illegal criminal crackdown and deportation efforts suggesting that innocent, honorable, and honest people are being sent to concentration camps and CeCot without their due process which is against their rights, that today the polls will show a reduction of support for the illegal criminal crackdown and deportation efforts.

    Perhaps if you started reporting honestly and not disingenuously you would find that the polls are the same now as they were, people agree with deporting illegal immigrants.

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  35. AT   28 minutes ago

    Trump promised to target violent criminals.

    LIE.

    He prioritized violent criminal. He promised to get ALL illegals.

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