Trump's Travel Ban Will Not Make Americans Safer
The president's cruel and pointless ban on immigration or visits from nationals of 12 countries will have no significant safety benefit for Americans.

President Donald Trump recently banned travel and immigration to the United States for nationals of a dozen countries, insisting that this would protect the U.S. from terrorists and criminals.
The ban applies to Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad, the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. (It allows minor exceptions for immediate family members of U.S. citizens and adoptions, as well as a few other limited categories.)
Trump's proclamation states that the restriction is intended to "protect [Americans] from terrorist attacks and other national security or public-safety threats." Those countries' "vetting and screening information is so deficient," the administration insists, that such procedures can't help U.S. officials identify and deny entry to terrorists and criminals.
But we already know that people from those countries do not pose a substantial risk to the United States.
The president is probably correct that many of those countries' regimes either can't or won't properly identify terrorists and criminals, or are unwilling to share that information with the United States. That still doesn't make his travel ban necessary.
If the lack of information sharing by those countries posed a significant terrorism risk, we should have seen evidence already. Considering all immigrants or visitors from those dozen banned countries over the past 50 years, one terrorist attack occurred on U.S. soil, killing one U.S. citizen. It was committed by a single individual, Emanuel Kidega Samson from Sudan. (He committed a shooting at a Tennessee church in 2017, killing one victim and wounding seven others.)
Put another way, your annual risk of being killed, in the U.S., by a terrorist from one of those dozen countries was approximately one in 13.9 billion over the past 50 years. To put this risk in perspective the annual chance of being killed by lightning (one in 1.6 million) is approximately 8,700 times higher.
The risk of being killed in a terrorist attack by anyone in the U.S. is incredibly low. Over the last 50 years, including 9/11, the risk of dying from a terrorist attack is only one in 4.5 million. (Dying in a lightning strike is almost three times more likely.)
Travelers and immigrants from the named countries don't pose a disproportionate criminal risk of any sort. The 2023 national incarceration rate for travelers and immigrants, aged 18 to 54, from those countries is 37 per 10,000. That's approximately 70 percent below the incarceration rate of native-born Americans.
While the risks to Americans from letting in people from those countries are minimal, the travel and migration benefits to the targeted people are massive. Those countries have autocratic, socialist, totalitarian, theocratic, or otherwise dysfunctional governments. Allowing people to escape them, even temporarily, can and does increase prosperity and help spread ideas for reform.
An immigrant from Yemen, for example, earns more than 15 times as much in the U.S. as in his home country; the average Haitian immigrant earns 10 times more in the U.S. than in Haiti. Furthermore, as people flee those regimes, there is evidence that salutary pressure is created for more political and economic freedom in the origin countries.
Instead of banning them, the U.S. should welcome immigrants and travelers who flee oppressive governments. It poses little security risk to the U.S., can massively help those who escape, and may even promote freedom in in the countries they flee.
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Fuck You.
There is almost limit to the amount of this idiotic crap one can put up with. Your wishful thinking absent present reality is not a suitable policy.
These are countries that are failed states, primitive backwaters with no way to verify their own citizens identities,or hostile state sponsors of terrorism.
There’s no benefit and a tremendous amount of risk letting certain people in.
The reason there haven’t been many recent incidents from these countries is that MOST HAVE AlREADY BEEN BANNED.
Again, fuck you. The Obama State Department originally drew up the Trump 1.0 “Muslim Ban”, for the very good reasons outlined above.
Like jeffsarc, and a few certain other cretins here, they like to blame “TRUMP!(TM)” for everything under the sun and moon. It’s all so tiresome.
“But we already know that people from those countries do not pose a substantial risk to the United States.”
Do we? Define “substantial”.
Only a couple of apartments taken over. Only 6000 murderers. Etc. Etc.
All of these open borders nutcases on Reasom’s staff and amongst the commentariat should be the victims of violent crimes committed by illegals. Instead of patriotic Americans.
I’m sure ENB, KMW and Atumn Billings would be proud to be the victims of violent rape by these fine ‘undocumented citizens’.
Right?
Pretty sure ENB would be down with that. Don't know about the other two.
Oof
Fuck. How many of these people are on Reason's staff?
at least twenty.
>>Benjamin Powell is the director of the Free Market Institute at Texas Tech University
in Lubbock, Texas nobody can hear you scream
IDK but it seems over half the writers might as well be over at The Bulwark or some other left progressive radical TDS addled site.
Wow.
Meh, just allow Afgans who get the nod from their US commanders to come in - translators (and their families) who worked honorably with US forces.
Still 101 other "shitholes" countries allowed so whatever about a select handful. Though if it were about terrorist, Saudi fucking Arabia should be #1.
Blah blah blah.
Frantically searches the entire internet for Benjamin Powell's (Senior Fellow with the Independent Institute), article critical of Obama.
Interestingly I did find Benjamin Powell's article defending select bits of Obama's travel ban:
https://www.independent.org/article/2014/12/24/immigration-as-political-theater/
You don't get it. People who live in shitty countries are shitty people. They are a reflection of their government. Just as all Americans are McDonalds eating, Diet Coke guzzling, blowhards with orange skin who profess to be Republicans while really being Democrats, who hate taxes and love tariffs, who consider anyone without papers to be vermin, and so on and so forth. Yet a mere year ago every American was an environmentalist, DEI-loving wacko who wanted to forgive student loans.
You’re too stupid for an intelligent, nuanced discussion. Drunk too.
So fuck off, m’kay bitch?
You utter the words "intelligent, nuanced discussion" after your previous comment about Reason nutcases and wishing "violence" on them?? Dude you are flat-out retarded. Almost as retarded as the "travel ban" you love 'cause you're a flaming, irrational moron.
Oh just shut the fuck up, you stupid, fucking retarded troll. You haven’t had anything worth Jack shit to say in years other than “Democrats did it first so that makes it OK.” You white knight jackasses like Jeffy, White Mike, Pluggo, and more simply because they oppose your so-called “mean girls” here who try to knock a mere modicum of common sense into your fat, alcohol-soaked brain, dipshit. You lack even a lick of shame, much less even the remote possibility of anything resembling common sense.
He still has the sense not to white knight jeff's pedo and rape apologist posts, so there's still a tiny bit of humanity left in sarcasmic, for now, so I'll give him that much.
Sit down you homeless coward. Everyone that comments here is better than you on every level.
I know it's in your name but you might want to put /sarc after stuff like this. I get your point and agree. I'm one of the few here it would seem that has traveled all over the planet in and out of uniform. Most people I've met everywhere are decent and kind people. The problem is a bunch are not and until Trump and The Executive branch can come up with a process that reliably weeds the bad ones out the safest thing for our country is to stop all from known terrorist area's from coming in.
Put another way, your annual risk of being killed, in the U.S., by a terrorist from one of those dozen countries was approximately one in 13.9 billion over the past 50 years.
Killed by terrorist. Key phrase.
What about good old-fashioned murder, rape, arson, robbery, theft, welfare fraud, or just driving liabilities?
Did you continue reading?
The 2023 national incarceration rate for travelers and immigrants, aged 18 to 54, from those countries is 37 per 10,000. That's approximately 70 percent below the incarceration rate of native-born Americans.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. When you see facts that you don't like you ignore them or attack the source. You aren't attacking the source so it looks like you're going to ignore them.
It's OK because Americans did it first.
So? The rate of crime by travelers and immigrants would be zero if we kept out all the bad ones. Your posting nonsense, in other words, a little rape and murder is fine.
If one illegal alien is prevented from entering the country and murdering a citizen then we are indeed safer. I've no idea why the open borders crowd doesn't care about other people getting raped, robbed and murdered.
What’s a few hundred thousand violent felonies of it means we can finally have completely open borders?
It's not all of them so it's okay they say.
Caring about other people getting raped, robbed, and murdered is white supremacy.
The perfect is the sworn enemy of the good.
Lol. Just how many rapes, robberies and murders is ok before it gets to be not “the good”?
Give us a number, sarc. How many is ok with you?
Left-wing liars in the media would have you believe that there's a mass shooting every single day, and use that to argue that every gun owner is a shooting waiting to happen. Partisan left-wingers believe it because it confirms their biases and thus feels true.
Right-wing liars in the media would have you believe that illegals are raping white women and murdering citizens every single day, and they use that to argue that every single illegal is a murdering rapist. Partisan right-wingers believe it because it confirms their biases and thus feels true.
Honest people who use their brains instead of their feels see through both sets of lies.
I'll answer your question with a statement and a question. It's a statistical fact that immigrants, legal and illegal, commit fewer crimes against individuals than native born Americans. Why do you want to exclude immigrants who are less criminal than your buddies at the trailer park?
It's OK because Americans did it first.
Lol. Ok, so no limits then, yes?
This is why you’re losing.
Oddly enough I see stories every day about illegals committing violent crime so it must be happening every day. The question is how much are you willing to put up with on somebody else's behalf? The victim would say zero, you would shrug and say whatever in the pursuit of open borders. As long as someone else suffers it's no concern of yours
The stupidity and hypocrisy is off the charts... "If it saves one life..." .. are you really, Completely unaware this is the EXACT SAME rational the Left used for COVID policies and mandatory lock downs? Which we ALL here correctly hated?
Sure, sure, you'll focus on the "differences" between them, which only further highlights your idiocy. Us smart Libertarians have long known how the Left and Right have become so extreme and full-circle they are indistinguishable at this point, and I haven't seen a better example of it than this..
Progressives: "If it saves one life.." - pointless, virtue-signaling lock downs.
Maga: "If it saves one life.." - pointless, virtue-signaling travel bans.
So, illegals are like a pandemic?
Do you have a bear in your trunk?
>>will have no significant safety benefit for Americans.
earlier today in a separate situation I'm reading every person has spinal degeneration and thinking the same thing then I am now
Trump left off a few Muslim countries, namely England, and germany
They’re both communist too. We already have plenty of those here. Don’t need more.
The only people we should be importing without limit are hot chicks.
And if we're talking about repressive shitholes let's put Canada on the list. Or at least make them take remedial English.
But we already know that people from those countries do not pose a substantial risk to the United States.
Wait, let me go back and reread. Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad, the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen.
WTF are you talking about?
Put another way, your annual risk of being killed, in the U.S., by a terrorist from one of those dozen countries was approximately one in 13.9 billion over the past 50 years. To put this risk in perspective the annual chance of being killed by lightning (one in 1.6 million) is approximately 8,700 times higher.
Well let 'em all in I guess! And ban lightning!
Derp.
Travelers and immigrants from the named countries don't pose a disproportionate criminal risk of any sort.
At least one will eat your housepets though.
Instead of banning them, the U.S. should welcome immigrants and travelers who flee oppressive governments.
But we don't WANT them here. Why do you give ZERO consideration to what the American people WANT?
The problem is that those countries have minimal governments and no way to verify the identity of the people trying to get here. That's the crux of the problem.
"But we already know that people from those countries do not pose a substantial risk to the United States."
"If the lack of information sharing by those countries posed a significant terrorism risk, we should have seen evidence already."
"Travelers and immigrants from the named countries don't pose a disproportionate criminal risk of any sort."
You failed to support any of those contentions. Then, you proceed to tell us how wonderful it is FOR THEM to come to the USA, without saying why that's of any benefit TO US. As others have already noted, FUCK YOU.
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And the TDS-addled slimy shits at Reason wonder how anyone notices their obsession.
"The president is probably correct that many of those countries' regimes either can't or won't properly identify terrorists and criminals, or are unwilling to share that information with the United States. That still doesn't make his travel ban necessary."
I don't recall electing you to make that judgement call.
Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad, the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen
@chat, what is the rape rate in Europe with migrant populations from these countries? What would the rape rate be without these populations?
Wow. Nothing seems to trigger MAGA more than this issue. Some truly intelligent and virtuous commentary here. Keep up the fight!!
Why aren't you arguing your case generally? Your risk of being raped in any one year is very low so no laws needed there, same for murder. So are you dishonest, retarded or just evil?
It's so CRUEL not to allow invaders take over your house! /s
And defending your house against invaders isn't going to make you safer! /s
LMAO. Where are they finding these people? Or is the same person/AI writing all of these ridiculous articles promoting open borders?
I STAYED in the US for 2 years as a PhD student working on-campus, paying taxes, with a completely clean record, and had already vetted for my previous visa. Early May, I had to return to Iran because of my mother's urgent illness; I am a physician (MD) in my country. Just after my arrival, I scheduled an appointment for a new visa for the soonest possible time I could get, i.e. July. But the travel ban was announced and got into effect immediately... I have a rental agreement and my belongings in the US, I am losing all I have been working on and paid for toward my graduation, I have my LOVED one studying there... The blanket travel ban is not FAIR 🙁 I wish there were exemptions...
Sorry Pops, but unfortunately we're not taking any chances right now. Taking everything you said at face value, I sympathize with you.
But you shouldn't be blaming the travel ban. You should be blaming the Democrat politics and their flooding of this nation with illegals that made it necessary. As a doctor, I'm sure you understand the notion of triage. This is national triage. The border is triage. The deportations are triage. The dragnets and roundups are triage. We are DONE with criminal aliens in this country. If it means you're unfortunately displaced for awhile, sorry - but don't blame America for that. Blame the unAmerica that made it necessary.
You should also be blaming Iran for being a terrorist state. Demand better of your people. Be out there calling for the head of the Ayatollah on a stick, decrying Islam in all its ways shapes and forms, and demanding a return to freedom. You want your nation to not end up on a sh*tlist, make your nation something other than sh*t.
Thank you for how you started your post. I do blame all the pieces you said, all of which resulted in this situation, AND the "blanket" travel ban itself.
As you kindly said it last, though all of us know is not the least, for sure I hate the insane, bluffing Islamic Republic, and I do (and did) blame it (and its few supporters) for how it treats us the Iranians, as well as the threats and terrors it has made to neighboring countries. During the recent conflict and the diplomatic conversations before that, I was advocating the idea of "surrendering" in my city (where I know I am heard of and have an effect) and the province, while faced being called "traitor" by a few (it's worth it). I was going to go to jail 5 years ago in another rise, and I was being threatened by a Mullah and his team who eventually were not able to succeed at the court... We, Iranians, do not have enough support, a standing opposition, and weapons to overthrow the regime. However, I believe no one other than Iranians have such a lived experience (i.e., being ruled by a theocratic regime while being prosperous just 50 years ago), in order to effectively fight against the ideology of melancholic Shi'ites and Muslims and its spread all over the world.
The President's First Term Travel Ban excluded student/scholar visas for Iranian. For sure, it can be narrower now regarding current changes in the policies like cutting the academic budgets. But "blanket" travel ban... No! It's not a triage. And unfortunately, all I can do now is that I wait (3.5 years?) and "hope" reasonable amendments come soon, as there is no way I can bring up my case to be decided upon by / no chance I can succeed through the Department of State, DHS, and the Judicial system. MAGA!
"Trump's Travel Ban Will Not Make Americans Safer."
Hey, Powell.
Go visit Yemen, Iran, North Korea, and tell us how safe you felt when you were over there.