America Has Plenty of Experience With Government-Run Stores, and It Isn't Pretty
New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani wants to open city-owned grocery stores. The U.S. already has a few, and they're a cautionary tale.

In the recently concluded Democratic primary for New York City mayor, state Assemblymember Zohran Mamdani emerged victorious, beating out former Gov. Andrew Cuomo, among others, for the nomination.
One proposal that galvanized both supporters and opponents was Mamdani's plan to open five city-owned grocery stores—one in each borough. In a campaign video, he called the stores a "public option" like in health care; he said they would not pay rent or property taxes, they would "operate without a profit motive," and their "mission [would be] lower prices, not price gouging." (As of January 2025, the grocery industry's average net profit margin was under 2 percent.)
Some have come to Mamdani's defense, saying city-owned grocery stores are not as radical as they sound—in fact, some states already have them, without becoming socialist hellscapes. Some have compared this plan to states that control liquor sales. But in each case, the comparison is unflattering to Mamdani's proposal.
"5 city owned grocery stores is not that much," progressive commentator Zaid Jilani wrote on X. "Kansas and Florida have cities with city-owned grocery stores."
Jilani's examples are underwhelming: The city council in Erie, Kansas, purchased the city's only grocery store in 2020 rather than let it close. The city operated the Erie Market for years but at a loss: Erie's mayor said the average customer needed to spend $50 per month for the store to stay afloat, but the actual monthly expenditure was closer to $14. Last year, Erie leased out the store to be run by a private company.
The town of Little River, Kansas, also has a city-owned grocery store, though the town only owns the building and its refrigeration system; the store itself is privately owned and operated.
Baldwin, Florida, opened a fully government-owned grocery store in 2019 after the town's only grocer closed the previous year. The town already owned the site, having purchased the lot and funded the building's construction a decade earlier in an attempt to woo a grocer to town.
"We're not trying to make a profit," Mayor Sean Lynch, a Republican, told The Washington Post when Baldwin Market opened. "We're trying to cover our expenses, and keep the store running."
The store closed in 2024 after being in business for less than five years. "The town-run store," The Florida Times-Union wrote at the time, "has struggled for years…to reach the break-even point."
Citing Lynch, researchers at Vanderbilt University found, "that the lack of 'buying power' harms local grocery stores as they compete for customers with Wal-Mart and other big-box grocers, who can offer much lower prices. Even with only needing to break even, Baldwin Market still feels the pressure from these grocers. While these big-box grocers must also balance profits, they can lower their costs for consumers by tapping into those larger distribution networks. Because of this bottom-line difference in product costs, some residents still choose to make the longer commute and shop at a store ten miles outside of town."
It's worth noting that in the above examples, governments stepped in when a small town's only grocery store went out of business. It makes even less sense in a city like New York, with 1,000 grocery stores serving 8.5 million people—a ratio of 8,500-to-1, where grocers typically see 15,000-to-1 as a viable market.
A government-run grocery store would face similar problems, struggling to break even despite taxpayer backing, while likely not providing a meaningful advantage over the status quo.
Others have argued in defense of Mamdani's proposal by pointing to the number of liquor control states, in which the government handles the sale and distribution of all hard alcohol within the state.
"I don't know if public grocer is a great idea in practice, but my county runs all the liquor stores and wholesale distribution and [Mamdani's] plan is basically just a pilot program," Benjy Sarlin, opinion editor at The Washington Post, wrote in a post on X. (Sarlin noted in a later post that while a state liquor monopoly may not be great in practice, "it's in the realm of policy proposed by normie politicians and not just socialist politicians.")
"Seventeen states have state run liquor stores, including Alabama, West Virginia, New Hampshire, and Montana. No one thinks these are socialist states," Aeon editor Sam Haselby added. "People need some perspective."
This example, too, doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Indeed, 17 states, plus localities in four others—accounting for nearly 25 percent of the total population and a similar share of all U.S. liquor sales—are control states. Sarlin seemed to refer to Virginia, where the state government operates more than 400 liquor stores.
But only seven of the 17 control states actually own and operate their own stores; the other 10 "pull the strings from on high, selling a selection of spirits to all private vendors," and "set[ting] minimum costs, essentially dictating prices on the consumer level," according to Thrillist.
The result is no surprise: "Monopoly of alcohol retail outlets appears to be associated with slightly higher liquor prices," according to a 2014 study. "Only five brands were at least 10% more expensive in license states, while 27 brands were at least 10% more expensive in control states."
State-run liquor stores also serve a very different purpose than grocery stores, or even from liquor stores in non-control states.
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"Residents of control states consume 14% less spirits and 7% less total alcohol than residents of license states," brags Alcohol Justice, which advocates against the alcohol industry.
Nearly four decades ago, Iowa gave up its liquor store monopoly, maintaining control over distribution but ceding sales to privately owned stores. At the time, officials were clear about what the purpose had been: "Iowa's state-owned stores were initially established in out-of-the-way places where they were hard to find," The New York Times wrote in 1986. "They were put there intentionally to keep people from drinking," Rolland Gallagher, head of the Iowa Beer and Liquor Control Department, said at the time.
Granted, any model for a government-run grocery store would inherently be different from a liquor store: Unlike control states, nobody intends for a grocery store to limit the amount of groceries that people buy. And even under Mamdani's proposal, private grocery stores would not be banned. "Mamdani isn't proposing to expropriate the capitalist grocers and make privately owned grocery stores illegal," Haselby added in a subsequent post.
Still, the principles remain the same: State liquor stores are more expensive than non-state-run stores—which is a feature, not a bug. A government-run grocery store with higher prices would be the worst of both worlds.
Government-run retail establishments are inherently less efficient than their private-sector counterparts. "Public options" like Mamdani advocates don't have to make a profit and can count on taxpayer money to prop up any losses. For an industry like grocery stores, which already have razor thin profit margins, a publicly-funded competitor would be a bad deal for New Yorkers.
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Unfortunately for @reason mis-logic is that ALL STATE CONTROL is FASCISM
Fascism has been politicized as socialism as an easy route to get there
Marx supported fascism, which he politicized as socialism via his theory of communism
It's PEOPLE ownership (whether individual or social group) VERSUS state ownership
I wouldn't say "politicized." Fascism and Socialism are two sides of the same coin.
If anything has been "politicized" it's that one is "right-wing" while the other isn't. When in fact they're BOTH hard-left. They both seek control and subjugation of the masses - one does it with naked force, the other does it by economic/emotional manipulation.
Idiot. Mussolini created Fascism. Marx died before Mussolini was born.
"they would "operate without a profit motive," At least he covered his ass with that from the get go.
"he said they would not pay rent or property taxes," That's because they'll be using Other People's taxes.
Baldwin, Florida, opened a fully government-owned grocery store in 2019 after the town's only grocer closed the previous year. The town already owned the site, having purchased the lot and funded the building's construction a decade earlier in an attempt to woo a grocer to town.
"We're not trying to make a profit," Mayor Sean Lynch, a Republican, told The Washington Post when Baldwin Market opened. "We're trying to cover our expenses, and keep the store running."
The store closed in 2024 after being in business for less than five years. "The town-run store," The Florida Times-Union wrote at the time, "has struggled for years…to reach the break-even point."
tReason just can't help but to pick on Republicans because they're a bunch of leftist Marxist leftist Democrat leftists.
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If they want to make groceries more affordable, maybe they should just exempt all grocery stores from taxes and subsidize their rent.
But I suspect the real reason isn't to make groceries more affordable, but rather to create more government jobs at stores that can afford to pay their apparatchiks fat salaries because they don't have to pay rent or taxes like their competitors do.
"But I suspect the real reason isn't to make groceries more affordable, but rather to create more government jobs at stores that can afford to pay their apparatchiks fat salaries because they don't have to pay rent or taxes like their competitors do."
Spot on! Imagine civil service employee rules applied to groceries.
Most privately owned grocery stores are unionized and Mamdani's city owned stores will drive them out of business.
As the country's primary Libertarian voice, Reason is expected to oppose any government-owned enterprise. The examples here are good ones in terms of showing why some fail and others charge higher prices. However, Reason should work harder and write about the successes. The Bank of North Dakota, created in 1919, as the country's only state-owned bank runs rings around most US banks in terms of financial performance. Then there are the country's many government-owned utilities doing fine financially and better for their users than the privates. Let's also include the many local public housing authorities, most with long waitlists, which are financially healthy while providing permanent affordable shelter which the market can't or won't do. No natural economic law exists to mandate that only privately owned, for profit businesses can meet people's needs in return for money. This is merely one of multiple models.
"...No natural economic law exists to mandate that only privately owned, for profit businesses can meet people's needs in return for money..."
Oh, gee! One more steaming pile of lying lefty shit. Yes, in fact it does; it has to do with self-interest and it has been proven since Ooogh and Uuugh traded a basket for a spear.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Where are the states that run their own utilities AND organically lower prices?
Government owned electric utilities are one of the few enterprises where the government consistently can undersell the private sector without subsidies.
What? The existence of long waitlists seems to show that the government *also* can't or won't provide permanent affordable shelter to everyone. And don't they get huge government subsidies and grants? How is that financially healthy?
Utilities are a special case. We're not going to have 5 sets of water or gas lines under the city, so they're pretty much going to be monopolies no matter what. If market competition is all but impossible, it makes sense for government to run it.
"the many local public housing authorities, most with long waitlists, which are financially healthy "
NYC's local public housing authority is the worst landlord in the US. So of course Mamdani wants more public housing.
"America Has Plenty of Experience With Government-Run Stores, and It Isn't Pretty."
City run stores were a way of life in the old Soviet Union.
That alone should tell you they won't work.
Let NYC try it out and find out the hard way that government-run organizations get corrupted and turn into graft machines extremely quickly and ultimately become completely non-responsive to customer/citizen/voter demands.
Our only task is to make sure that the NYCers who voted for this stay in NYC and do not flee to other areas to vote the same way they did before. Start with social/cultural (non-violent) pressure at first, making it clear that fleeing NYCers are not welcome unless they shed their voting habits.
"Seventeen states have state run liquor stores, including Alabama, West Virginia, New Hampshire, and Montana. No one thinks these are socialist states," Aeon editor Sam Haselby added. "People need some perspective."
The perspective I'd suggest is that socialism is not on or off. It comes in stages. Yes, those states have socialist liquor stores.
And they suck.
Yes, and they don't hold a candle to private ones.
"those states have socialist liquor stores."
New York does not.
New Yorkers are really celebrating the election of their new overlords. Just wait until they send their wife to stand in the bread line at the company store and a member of the morality police sends the little lady back home because she isn't wearing a burka.
Also, without any police, the "no go" zones are going to be a hoot! Anti-police Libertarians are going to love it! You can soon expect a hot time in the old town on Saturday night.
To all you long-timed Democrat-voting New Yorkers, don't try to escape! Don't bring your ignorant voting habits to free states. You have to stay and celebrate your win! Plus, someone has to be "the rich" who will be paying for all the freebies. That's you!
This time! This time for sure! Socialism is going to work! Good and hard! Just like it is supposed to!
NYC actually works rather well. The homicide rate is lower than all but a very few other US cities (among them: Boston and San Francisco). The public transit system is the best in the Western Hemisphere (I have ridden most of them) and very safe. Property tax rates for homeowners are low. (Not so for businesses -- that is one reason why Mamdani's city owned grocery store will put its private competitors out of business.) I have never heard of a homeowners association for a single family home. The city doesn't care that I don't have any grass on my property; I would be forced to plant in most suburbs and in every HOA. There are nine privately owned grocery stores within a mile of where I live and most deliver. The traffic and weather are awful, though.
Just reverse the ban on Walmart in the five boroughs. Walmart has the experience, scale and a world-class supply chain. The government has none of these. That's why Walmart s will always have lower prices than government-run stores.
Keeping out Walmart is a vibe-based policy. It has nothing to do with abundance. It works against the poor.
There is no ban on Walmart. There are no parcels of land large enough for a Walmart SuperCenter that Walmart is willing to pay for. There are Walmarts in the suburbs. Other retailers are willing to adapt; for example there are Home Depots in Manhattan without the massive parking lots that most Home Depots have.
Step aside and let in Dollar General. They don't deserve Dollar General, but that's probably the best they could do.
There are already numerous Dollar General stores in NYC.
What's the purpose of those Gov 'Guns' in a store?
Of course; to 'GUN' threaten you into buying their groceries.
You just as well allow Walmart to have a Gun-Em down theft department because that's exactly what Socialists are after. Making crimes against those 'icky' people legal.
Of course; to 'GUN' threaten you into buying their groceries.
The government grocery store is going to have government guards who will tell you to buy something "or else".
You make flat-earthers look intelligent.
Ok pussy.
YES. How do you think Taxes work?
You think you can just not "buy"/pay your taxes?
And some of those 'armed-theft' payments go to said grocery store.
^THAT is the very reason/only-excuse there is to having 'government' in a grocery store instead of just having a free-market.
""Residents of control states consume 14% less spirits and 7% less total alcohol than residents of license states," brags Alcohol Justice, which advocates against the alcohol industry."
So New Yorkers are about to become less obese, with city owned grocery stores? Might not be all bad ...
And if they run out of bread or water, they can give you a handy rationing coupon for later.
Some have come to Mamdani's defense, saying city-owned grocery stores are not as radical as they sound—in fact, some states already have them, without becoming socialist hellscapes. Some have compared this plan to states that control liquor sales. But in each case, the comparison is unflattering to Mamdani's proposal..
Wonder why the author concentrates on state liquor store systems but ignores a much closer comparable—U.S. government-owned grocery stores that exist not just in some, but in all states (and many other countries for that matter).
I've regularly shopped in many of them for nearly 50 years. With prices limited mostly to their cost-of-inventory plus a 5% surcharge (for operating expenses), they're a bargain to eligible customers. My experience is that including the surcharge and tipping the baggers (optional, they work for tips only but you can bag your own) my grocery prices run about 20-30% less than nearby commercial grocery chain stores.
Like the government-provider/payer healthcare provided to the same clientele, they have their issues and might be called "socialist," but they're certainly not "hellscapes."
Collectively, they're called The Defense Commissary Agency
https://www.usa.gov/agencies/defense-commissary-agency
The government, whether local or state, should not be in the business of running grocery stores or meddling in liquor sales. In principle there is little justification, in practice, even less. Mamdani's idiot idea makes even less sense in NYC than almost anywhere else.
Let's hope Bill Ackman's offer is successfully taken up.
"Granted, any model for a government-run grocery store would inherently be different from a liquor store: Unlike control states, nobody intends for a grocery store to limit the amount of groceries that people buy."
Which would be sort of an argument that government ran groceries are worse than control states.
It would seem like that most control states are like cities that levy a soda tax. They regulate and price a product, not stores. So they pocket all the revenue regardless of sales. If they lose out soda sale to a neighboring state with no soda tax, they don't care, since cutting down on soda consumption was their goal to begin with. Soda companies and stores have the option to be creative with their distribution so people can try to bypass the tax.
ZM actually wants the government to run the store. Meaning EVERY single thing he does there is a net negative. They're on the hook for every labor cost, overhead, etc. And since the point of that store is to artificially lower the cost of grocery, they become a threat to the economy. ZM cannot say "my government Iphone store can sell phones that cost 200 bucks to make at 75 cents but apple stores can still operate".
And no one's under any illusion that the blue city retail theft crew won't hit up these stores and sell their ill gotten gains on the black market. Suppliers may balk at stocking up even private stores in NYC.
government stores will cause an increase in prices, reduce availability, and reduce options. terrible idea and runs counter to a solution to food deserts.
Food deserts are overstated in NYC. Most grocery stores deliver. How many of you commenting here have nine grocery stores within a mile of you, as I do here in the Bronx?
Then why do we need government ran grocery stores?
There are already numerous Dollar General stores in NYC.
Another example of Socialism is in Alaska, another deep red state. It owns a railroad. It also put in successful bids for oil drilling rights a few years ago. However, it had to let them lapse because it had no ability to drill for anything itself and couldn't find a real oil company interested in drilling -- the only places in the US they want to drill are the Permian basin and Bakken. Most of the oil left in the ground would require gasoline prices to be higher than politicians will allow.
Newsflash - Alaska doesn't run railroad purposely at a loss for the express purpose of "low transportation fee."
This is the game you people play - you can't find any instances of socialism actually accomplishing anything, so you're left with cherry picking state managed institutions like public schools and libraries to say "see socialism isn't an outright failure"
A state running a railroad to serve a public need isn't the same thing as a state making or pricing their own products as a BUSINESS and competing in the market, where the government is exempt from costs that affect private business.
If a state bought a failing grocery store at an actual food desert so people can have access to food, but otherwise let private vendors run it, that's acceptable as short term solution. But eventually it closes down or has to be sold to private interests, because the cost to taxpayers would be overwhelming.
"No one thinks these are socialist states"
Republicans can get away with being socialists. Vito Marcantonio started out as a Republican.
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And doing it with someone else's money only underscores the point of how immature life was meant to be with no compromise in politics, because we can not possibly out-learn ourself out of the present vicious cycles that bring war in one land and weather in the other, fascists in one land yet typhoons in another, judges in one land yet governments in another, and vicious beasts in one land but villainies in another.
One thing people got right be that the most brilliant of minds spent untold efforts to leave traces of their respective legacies there in history's unread pages.
Walmart will still have infinitely more options and much lower prices. I'm not sure what purpose this plan serves other than swaying the votes of low information citizens. I think a lot of people got it in their minds that the food would be free at these stores. There are certainly issues with food deserts in many cities where there's no source of healthy food within a few blocks from where people live. However, New Yorkers can easily traverse the entire city to get their fruits and vegetables if they want them. Evidence overwhelmingly shows that food deserts exist in certain neighborhoods because there is no demand for healthier food foods in those neighborhoods. I live in an upscale neighborhood in San Diego, and I have to drive at least 2 miles to buy affordable and healthy groceries. And for many of the products I like, I have to drive 10 miles to get a fair price. My neighborhood would hardly qualify as a classic food desert when the median price of a small home is about $1 million.